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* Re: Re: [PATCH] Revert "usb-storage: Add Hiksemi USB3-FW to IGNORE_UAS"
       [not found] ` <CAD14+f1p3j3WJUYshneH7A38b8JsiXjtScESB2uOQ-ZyBi57tg@mail.gmail.com>
@ 2023-01-10  5:37   ` Juhyung Park
  2023-01-17  6:16     ` Juhyung Park
  0 siblings, 1 reply; 6+ messages in thread
From: Juhyung Park @ 2023-01-10  5:37 UTC (permalink / raw)
  To: 曾红玲; +Cc: linux-usb, usb-storage, oneukum, gregkh, stern

And please leave all the mail addresses, especially the mailing list
addresses intact.

It makes it really hard to track this down later in the public domain.

On Tue, Jan 10, 2023 at 2:34 PM Juhyung Park <qkrwngud825@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> Thanks for the log, we're getting somewhere.
>
> Thankfully, it seems to report "HIKSEMI" as the manufacturer and "MD202" as the product name.
>
> Please post `sudo lsusb -v` for the product as well, and please determine whether UAS works on Windows by checking TRIM functionality.
> I assume you're using an SSD with that enclosure.
> Check this for how: https://www.anandtech.com/show/13953/plugable-usbcnvme-toolless-nvme-ssd-enclosure-capsule-review
>
> > the firmware of rtl9210 is contantly updating and fixing problem
>
> IMHO, this is just them maintaining the product well. USB to SATA/NVMe enclosures are notorious for having firmware problems unfixed for the entire lifespan of the device.
>
> > but continuous high speed read/write can cause kernel panic
>
> This leads me to believe that the device itself having problems with some power management (weak regulator, etc).
>
> I have multiple RTL9210 drives, some connected to a server running 24/7 and not one has ever given me a problem, unlike some ASMedia or JMicron products I've tried.
>
> On Tue, Jan 10, 2023 at 2:26 PM 曾红玲 <zenghongling@kylinos.cn> wrote:
>>
>> Hi:
>>
>>    The screenshot information and error log.
>>
>>    I don't think this version of firmware is stable,normal loading of uas driver is fine,but continuous high speed read/write
>>
>> can cause kernel panic,I have researched a lot about rtl9210, this is no relevant better support for uas driver, the firmware
>>
>> of rtl9210 is contantly updating and fixing problem,self-updating firmware is not an effective management method,I suggest you fixed
>>
>> with regenerate PID/VID like other product.
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> [   39.510571] usb 2-2: new SuperSpeed USB device number 2 using xhci_hcd
>> [   39.546117] usb 2-2: New USB device found, idVendor=0bda, idProduct=9210
>> [   39.553989] usb 2-2: New USB device strings: Mfr=1, Product=2, SerialNumber=3
>> [   39.562354] usb 2-2: Product: MD202
>> [   39.566641] usb 2-2: Manufacturer: HIKSEMI
>> [   39.571606] usb 2-2: SerialNumber: 012345680663
>> [   39.609717] calling  usb_storage_driver_init+0x0/0x1000 [usb_storage] @ 2635
>> [   39.618026] usbcore: registered new interface driver usb-storage
>> [   39.625132] initcall usb_storage_driver_init+0x0/0x1000 [usb_storage] returned 0 after 6981 usecs
>> [   39.636463] calling  uas_driver_init+0x0/0x1000 [uas] @ 2635
>> [   39.674761] scsi host8: uas
>> [   39.678333] usbcore: registered new interface driver uas
>> [   39.681043] scsi 8:0:0:0: Direct-Access     HIKSEMI  MD202            1.00 PQ: 0 ANSI: 6
>> [   39.686646] sd 8:0:0:0: Attached scsi generic sg1 type 0
>> [   39.689021] sd 8:0:0:0: [sda] 250069680 512-byte logical blocks: (128 GB/119 GiB)
>> [   39.698524] sd 8:0:0:0: [sda] Write Protect is off
>> [   39.698526] sd 8:0:0:0: [sda] Mode Sense: 37 00 00 08
>> [   39.701341] sd 8:0:0:0: [sda] Write cache: enabled, read cache: enabled, doesn't support DPO or FUA
>> [   39.702439] xhci_hcd 0000:0c:00.3: ERROR Transfer event for disabled endpoint or incorrect stream ring
>> [   39.702442] xhci_hcd 0000:0c:00.3: @000000026c61f810 00000000 00000000 1b000000 05038000
>> [   39.720357]  sda: sda1
>> [   39.737829] sd 8:0:0:0: [sda] Attached SCSI disk
>> [   39.760140] initcall uas_driver_init+0x0/0x1000 [uas] returned 0 after 114228 usecs
>> [   39.923773] EXT4-fs (sda1): mounted filesystem with ordered data mode. Opts: (null)
>> [  587.113528] sd 8:0:0:0: [sda] tag#27 uas_eh_abort_handler 0 uas-tag 28 inflight: CMD OUT
>> [  587.123050] sd 8:0:0:0: [sda] tag#27 CDB: Write(10) 2a 00 03 6f b0 00 00 04 00 00
>> [  587.131819] xhci_hcd 0000:0c:00.3: ERROR Transfer event for disabled endpoint or incorrect stream ring
>> [  587.142599] xhci_hcd 0000:0c:00.3: @000000026c61f1a0 00000000 00000000 1b000000 05048000
>> [  587.152037] sd 8:0:0:0: [sda] tag#26 uas_eh_abort_handler 0 uas-tag 27 inflight: CMD OUT
>> [  587.161557] sd 8:0:0:0: [sda] tag#26 CDB: Write(10) 2a 00 03 6f ac 00 00 04 00 00
>> [  587.170317] xhci_hcd 0000:0c:00.3: ERROR Transfer event for disabled endpoint or incorrect stream ring
>> [  587.181095] xhci_hcd 0000:0c:00.3: @000000026c61f1c0 00000000 00000000 1b000000 05048000
>> [  587.190530] sd 8:0:0:0: [sda] tag#25 uas_eh_abort_handler 0 uas-tag 26 inflight: CMD OUT
>> [  587.200046] sd 8:0:0:0: [sda] tag#25 CDB: Write(10) 2a 00 03 6f a8 00 00 04 00 00
>> [  587.208804] xhci_hcd 0000:0c:00.3: ERROR Transfer event for disabled endpoint or incorrect stream ring
>> [  587.219574] xhci_hcd 0000:0c:00.3: @000000026c61f1e0 00000000 00000000 1b000000 05048000
>> [  587.229006] sd 8:0:0:0: [sda] tag#24 uas_eh_abort_handler 0 uas-tag 25 inflight: CMD OUT
>> [  587.238523] sd 8:0:0:0: [sda] tag#24 CDB: Write(10) 2a 00 03 6f a4 00 00 04 00 00
>> [  587.247270] xhci_hcd 0000:0c:00.3: ERROR Transfer event for disabled endpoint or incorrect stream ring
>> [  587.258047] xhci_hcd 0000:0c:00.3: @000000026c61f200 00000000 00000000 1b000000 05048000
>> [  587.267471] sd 8:0:0:0: [sda] tag#23 uas_eh_abort_handler 0 uas-tag 24 inflight: CMD OUT
>> [  587.276988] sd 8:0:0:0: [sda] tag#23 CDB: Write(10) 2a 00 03 6f a0 00 00 04 00 00
>> [  587.285745] xhci_hcd 0000:0c:00.3: ERROR Transfer event for disabled endpoint or incorrect stream ring
>> [  587.296522] xhci_hcd 0000:0c:00.3: @000000026c61f220 00000000 00000000 1b000000 05048000
>> [  587.305955] sd 8:0:0:0: [sda] tag#22 uas_eh_abort_handler 0 uas-tag 23 inflight: CMD OUT
>> [  587.315473] sd 8:0:0:0: [sda] tag#22 CDB: Write(10) 2a 00 03 6f 9c 00 00 04 00 00
>> ...........................
>>
>>   592.553969] sd 8:0:0:0: [sda] tag#1 uas_eh_abort_handler 0 uas-tag 2 inflight: CMD
>> [  592.553971] sd 8:0:0:0: [sda] tag#1 CDB: Write(10) 2a 00 03 6f 48 00 00 04 00 00
>> [  592.553983] scsi host8: uas_eh_bus_reset_handler start
>> [  592.553987] usb 2-2: cmd cmplt err -2
>> [  592.852532] xhci_hcd 0000:0c:00.3: HC died; cleaning up
>> [  592.858832] usb 1-1: USB disconnect, device number 2
>> [  592.864765] usb 1-1.3: USB disconnect, device number 4
>> [  592.870979] usb 2-2: USB disconnect, device number 0
>> [  592.973600] usb 1-3: USB disconnect, device number 3
>> [  593.021342] usb 1-4: USB disconnect, device number 5
>> [  593.073210] usb 2-2: device not accepting address 2, error -22
>> [  720.510582] INFO: task kworker/1:2:154 blocked for more than 120 seconds.
>> [  720.518551]       Tainted: G         C  E   4.4.131-20210120.kylin.x86-generic #kylin-KylinOS
>> [  720.528466] "echo 0 > /proc/sys/kernel/hung_task_timeout_secs" disables this message.
>> [  720.537601] kworker/1:2     D ffff88026c143c38     0   154      2 0x00000000
>> [  720.545894] Workqueue: usb_hub_wq hub_event
>> [  720.550971]  ffff88026c143c38 0000000000016300 ffff8802755bb900 ffff88026cb80000
>> [  720.559673]  ffff88026c144000 ffff88026ca88100 0000000000000000 ffff88026cb80000
>> [  720.568374]  ffff88026cb80000 ffff88026c143c50 ffffffff8186ae25 ffff88026ca880f8
>> [  720.577076] Call Trace:
>> [  720.580201]  [<ffffffff8186ae25>] schedule+0x35/0x80
>> [  720.586137]  [<ffffffff8186b0ce>] schedule_preempt_disabled+0xe/0x10
>> [  720.593623]  [<ffffffff8186cb94>] __mutex_lock_slowpath+0x164/0x1e0
>> [  720.601012]  [<ffffffff8186cc3f>] mutex_lock+0x2f/0x40
>> [  720.607141]  [<ffffffff8162b8e9>] usb_disconnect+0x59/0x290
>> [  720.613757]  [<ffffffff8162bb68>] hub_quiesce+0x48/0xa0
>> [  720.619983]  [<ffffffff8162e06e>] hub_event+0x16e/0xb10
>> [  720.626209]  [<ffffffff810af0f9>] ? ttwu_do_wakeup+0x19/0xf0
>> [  720.632921]  [<ffffffff810af26d>] ? ttwu_do_activate.constprop.91+0x5d/0x70
>> [  720.641086]  [<ffffffff810afd19>] ? try_to_wake_up+0x49/0x400
>> [  720.647896]  [<ffffffff810f2445>] ? lock_timer_base+0x55/0x70
>> [  720.654704]  [<ffffffff8109d70b>] process_one_work+0x16b/0x4b0
>> [  720.661609]  [<ffffffff8109da9b>] worker_thread+0x4b/0x4d0
>> [  720.668124]  [<ffffffff8109da50>] ? process_one_work+0x4b0/0x4b0
>> [  720.675224]  [<ffffffff810a3ee7>] kthread+0xe7/0x100
>> [  720.681162]  [<ffffffff810a3e00>] ? kthread_create_on_node+0x1e0/0x1e0
>> [  720.688845]  [<ffffffff818700b5>] ret_from_fork+0x55/0x80
>> [  720.695263]  [<ffffffff810a3e00>] ? kthread_create_on_node+0x1e0/0x1e0
>> [  720.702947] INFO: task kworker/u32:6:254 blocked for more than 120 seconds.
>> [  720.711112]       Tainted: G         C  E   4.4.131-20210120.kylin.x86-generic #kylin-KylinOS
>> [  720.721021] "echo 0 > /proc/sys/kernel/hung_task_timeout_secs" disables this message.
>> [  720.730153] kworker/u32:6   D ffff88026bb475e8     0   254      2 0x00000000
>> [  720.738438] Workqueue: writeback wb_workfn (flush-8:0)
>> [  720.744593]  ffff88026bb475e8 0000000000000200 ffff88026ab81c80 ffff880275318000
>> [  720.753297]  ffff88026bb48000 ffff88027ec56300 7fffffffffffffff ffff8801c0b48060
>> [  720.762001]  ffff8801c0b48000 ffff88026bb47600 ffffffff8186ae25 0000000000000000
>> [  720.770705] Call Trace:
>> [  720.773823]  [<ffffffff8186ae25>] schedule+0x35/0x80
>> [  720.779762]  [<ffffffff8186e446>] schedule_timeout+0x1b6/0x270
>> [  720.786670]  [<ffffffff810fc2ee>] ? ktime_get+0x3e/0xb0
>> [  720.792897]  [<ffffffff8186a594>] io_schedule_timeout+0xa4/0x110
>> [  720.799995]  [<ffffffff813c4971>] get_request+0x411/0x7a0
>>
>>   TKS!
>>
>>
>> ----
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> 主 题:Re: [PATCH] Revert "usb-storage: Add Hiksemi USB3-FW to IGNORE_UAS"
>> 日 期:2023-01-09 20:16
>> 发件人:qkrwngud825
>> 收件人:oneukum;
>>
>> Hi Oliver,
>>
>> On Mon, Jan 9, 2023 at 9:02 PM Oliver Neukum wrote:
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> > On 09.01.23 12:55, Juhyung Park wrote:
>> > > This reverts commit e00b488e813f0f1ad9f778e771b7cd2fe2877023.
>> > >
>> > > The commit e00b488e813f ("usb-storage: Add Hiksemi USB3-FW to IGNORE_UAS")
>> > > blacklists UAS for the entire RTL9210 enclosures. Realtek's VendorId is 0x0bda
>> > > and RTL9210 enclosures reports 0x9210 for its ProductId.
>> > >
>> > > The RTL9210 controller was advertised with UAS since its release back in 2019
>> > > and was shipped with a lot of enclosure products with different firmware
>> > > combinations.
>> > >
>> > > If UAS blacklisting is really required said product (Hiksemi USB3-FW), it
>> > > should be done without blacklisting the entire RTL9210 products.
>> >
>> > Hi,
>> >
>> > I see this the issue. Do you have an idea how to limit the scope.
>>
>> Unfortunately, no.
>>
>> This might be the ugly case where, if a proper workaround could be
>> found (if the original report is valid at all), it may change the code
>> logic itself with some if branch rather than just unusual_uas.h.
>>
>> With my RTL9210 enclosure, using multiple different firmware versions
>> still reports the same bcdDevice.
>>
>> Note that, despite Hongling reporting that Windows doesn't use UAS in
>> https://lore.kernel.org/all/fbeffee7-3ac5-4798-14b0-724e0ed01947@126.com/
>> , Windows uses it on mine and respectively trim works.
>>
>> >
>> > Hongling Zeng, do you have an idea, respectively if not, could
>> > you provide "lsusb -v" for the defective device?
>> >
>>
>> Hongling didn't respond to Greg when he asked the same question back
>> in November: https://lore.kernel.org/all/Y29RtXGcey6V9iTY@kroah.com/
>>
>> Anyways, here's my lsusb -v output. Hope it helps:
>> Bus 004 Device 002: ID 0bda:9210 Realtek Semiconductor Corp. RTL9210
>> M.2 NVME Adapter
>> Device Descriptor:
>> bLength 18
>> bDescriptorType 1
>> bcdUSB 3.20
>> bDeviceClass 0
>> bDeviceSubClass 0
>> bDeviceProtocol 0
>> bMaxPacketSize0 9
>> idVendor 0x0bda Realtek Semiconductor Corp.
>> idProduct 0x9210 RTL9210 M.2 NVME Adapter
>> bcdDevice 20.01
>> iManufacturer 1 Realtek
>> iProduct 2 RTL9210
>> iSerial 3 012345678906
>> bNumConfigurations 1
>> Configuration Descriptor:
>> bLength 9
>> bDescriptorType 2
>> wTotalLength 0x0079
>> bNumInterfaces 1
>> bConfigurationValue 1
>> iConfiguration 0
>> bmAttributes 0x80
>> (Bus Powered)
>> MaxPower 896mA
>> Interface Descriptor:
>> bLength 9
>> bDescriptorType 4
>> bInterfaceNumber 0
>> bAlternateSetting 0
>> bNumEndpoints 2
>> bInterfaceClass 8 Mass Storage
>> bInterfaceSubClass 6 SCSI
>> bInterfaceProtocol 80 Bulk-Only
>> iInterface 0
>> Endpoint Descriptor:
>> bLength 7
>> bDescriptorType 5
>> bEndpointAddress 0x81 EP 1 IN
>> bmAttributes 2
>> Transfer Type Bulk
>> Synch Type None
>> Usage Type Data
>> wMaxPacketSize 0x0400 1x 1024 bytes
>> bInterval 0
>> bMaxBurst 15
>> Endpoint Descriptor:
>> bLength 7
>> bDescriptorType 5
>> bEndpointAddress 0x02 EP 2 OUT
>> bmAttributes 2
>> Transfer Type Bulk
>> Synch Type None
>> Usage Type Data
>> wMaxPacketSize 0x0400 1x 1024 bytes
>> bInterval 0
>> bMaxBurst 15
>> Interface Descriptor:
>> bLength 9
>> bDescriptorType 4
>> bInterfaceNumber 0
>> bAlternateSetting 1
>> bNumEndpoints 4
>> bInterfaceClass 8 Mass Storage
>> bInterfaceSubClass 6 SCSI
>> bInterfaceProtocol 98
>> iInterface 0
>> Endpoint Descriptor:
>> bLength 7
>> bDescriptorType 5
>> bEndpointAddress 0x81 EP 1 IN
>> bmAttributes 2
>> Transfer Type Bulk
>> Synch Type None
>> Usage Type Data
>> wMaxPacketSize 0x0400 1x 1024 bytes
>> bInterval 0
>> bMaxBurst 15
>> MaxStreams 32
>> Data-in pipe (0x03)
>> Endpoint Descriptor:
>> bLength 7
>> bDescriptorType 5
>> bEndpointAddress 0x02 EP 2 OUT
>> bmAttributes 2
>> Transfer Type Bulk
>> Synch Type None
>> Usage Type Data
>> wMaxPacketSize 0x0400 1x 1024 bytes
>> bInterval 0
>> bMaxBurst 15
>> MaxStreams 32
>> Data-out pipe (0x04)
>> Endpoint Descriptor:
>> bLength 7
>> bDescriptorType 5
>> bEndpointAddress 0x83 EP 3 IN
>> bmAttributes 2
>> Transfer Type Bulk
>> Synch Type None
>> Usage Type Data
>> wMaxPacketSize 0x0400 1x 1024 bytes
>> bInterval 0
>> bMaxBurst 15
>> MaxStreams 32
>> Status pipe (0x02)
>> Endpoint Descriptor:
>> bLength 7
>> bDescriptorType 5
>> bEndpointAddress 0x04 EP 4 OUT
>> bmAttributes 2
>> Transfer Type Bulk
>> Synch Type None
>> Usage Type Data
>> wMaxPacketSize 0x0400 1x 1024 bytes
>> bInterval 0
>> bMaxBurst 0
>> Command pipe (0x01)
>> Binary Object Store Descriptor:
>> bLength 5
>> bDescriptorType 15
>> wTotalLength 0x003e
>> bNumDeviceCaps 4
>> USB 2.0 Extension Device Capability:
>> bLength 7
>> bDescriptorType 16
>> bDevCapabilityType 2
>> bmAttributes 0x00000006
>> BESL Link Power Management (LPM) Supported
>> SuperSpeed USB Device Capability:
>> bLength 10
>> bDescriptorType 16
>> bDevCapabilityType 3
>> bmAttributes 0x00
>> wSpeedsSupported 0x000e
>> Device can operate at Full Speed (12Mbps)
>> Device can operate at High Speed (480Mbps)
>> Device can operate at SuperSpeed (5Gbps)
>> bFunctionalitySupport 1
>> Lowest fully-functional device speed is Full Speed (12Mbps)
>> bU1DevExitLat 10 micro seconds
>> bU2DevExitLat 2047 micro seconds
>> SuperSpeedPlus USB Device Capability:
>> bLength 20
>> bDescriptorType 16
>> bDevCapabilityType 10
>> bmAttributes 0x00000001
>> Sublink Speed Attribute count 1
>> Sublink Speed ID count 0
>> wFunctionalitySupport 0x1100
>> bmSublinkSpeedAttr[0] 0x000a4030
>> Speed Attribute ID: 0 10Gb/s Symmetric RX SuperSpeedPlus
>> bmSublinkSpeedAttr[1] 0x000a40b0
>> Speed Attribute ID: 0 10Gb/s Symmetric TX SuperSpeedPlus
>> Container ID Device Capability:
>> bLength 20
>> bDescriptorType 16
>> bDevCapabilityType 4
>> bReserved 0
>> ContainerID {03020100-0504-0706-0002-020200020202}
>> Device Status: 0x0000
>> (Bus Powered)
>>
>>
>> > Regards
>> > Oliver

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* Re: Re: [PATCH] Revert "usb-storage: Add Hiksemi USB3-FW to IGNORE_UAS"
  2023-01-10  5:37   ` Re: [PATCH] Revert "usb-storage: Add Hiksemi USB3-FW to IGNORE_UAS" Juhyung Park
@ 2023-01-17  6:16     ` Juhyung Park
  2023-01-17  8:09       ` Oliver Neukum
  0 siblings, 1 reply; 6+ messages in thread
From: Juhyung Park @ 2023-01-17  6:16 UTC (permalink / raw)
  To: 曾红玲; +Cc: linux-usb, usb-storage, oneukum, gregkh, stern

Posted a new patch:
https://lore.kernel.org/all/20230117061046.114145-1-qkrwngud825@gmail.com/T/#u

This issue has been stalled for way too long. If string-based
comparisons are too ugly, we can improve it later when Hongling is
more active towards this issue.

ps) More Linux users on RTL9210 here:
https://github.com/raspberrypi/linux/issues/4130#issuecomment-1320988449

On Tue, Jan 10, 2023 at 2:37 PM Juhyung Park <qkrwngud825@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> And please leave all the mail addresses, especially the mailing list
> addresses intact.
>
> It makes it really hard to track this down later in the public domain.
>
> On Tue, Jan 10, 2023 at 2:34 PM Juhyung Park <qkrwngud825@gmail.com> wrote:
> >
> > Thanks for the log, we're getting somewhere.
> >
> > Thankfully, it seems to report "HIKSEMI" as the manufacturer and "MD202" as the product name.
> >
> > Please post `sudo lsusb -v` for the product as well, and please determine whether UAS works on Windows by checking TRIM functionality.
> > I assume you're using an SSD with that enclosure.
> > Check this for how: https://www.anandtech.com/show/13953/plugable-usbcnvme-toolless-nvme-ssd-enclosure-capsule-review
> >
> > > the firmware of rtl9210 is contantly updating and fixing problem
> >
> > IMHO, this is just them maintaining the product well. USB to SATA/NVMe enclosures are notorious for having firmware problems unfixed for the entire lifespan of the device.
> >
> > > but continuous high speed read/write can cause kernel panic
> >
> > This leads me to believe that the device itself having problems with some power management (weak regulator, etc).
> >
> > I have multiple RTL9210 drives, some connected to a server running 24/7 and not one has ever given me a problem, unlike some ASMedia or JMicron products I've tried.
> >
> > On Tue, Jan 10, 2023 at 2:26 PM 曾红玲 <zenghongling@kylinos.cn> wrote:
> >>
> >> Hi:
> >>
> >>    The screenshot information and error log.
> >>
> >>    I don't think this version of firmware is stable,normal loading of uas driver is fine,but continuous high speed read/write
> >>
> >> can cause kernel panic,I have researched a lot about rtl9210, this is no relevant better support for uas driver, the firmware
> >>
> >> of rtl9210 is contantly updating and fixing problem,self-updating firmware is not an effective management method,I suggest you fixed
> >>
> >> with regenerate PID/VID like other product.
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >> [   39.510571] usb 2-2: new SuperSpeed USB device number 2 using xhci_hcd
> >> [   39.546117] usb 2-2: New USB device found, idVendor=0bda, idProduct=9210
> >> [   39.553989] usb 2-2: New USB device strings: Mfr=1, Product=2, SerialNumber=3
> >> [   39.562354] usb 2-2: Product: MD202
> >> [   39.566641] usb 2-2: Manufacturer: HIKSEMI
> >> [   39.571606] usb 2-2: SerialNumber: 012345680663
> >> [   39.609717] calling  usb_storage_driver_init+0x0/0x1000 [usb_storage] @ 2635
> >> [   39.618026] usbcore: registered new interface driver usb-storage
> >> [   39.625132] initcall usb_storage_driver_init+0x0/0x1000 [usb_storage] returned 0 after 6981 usecs
> >> [   39.636463] calling  uas_driver_init+0x0/0x1000 [uas] @ 2635
> >> [   39.674761] scsi host8: uas
> >> [   39.678333] usbcore: registered new interface driver uas
> >> [   39.681043] scsi 8:0:0:0: Direct-Access     HIKSEMI  MD202            1.00 PQ: 0 ANSI: 6
> >> [   39.686646] sd 8:0:0:0: Attached scsi generic sg1 type 0
> >> [   39.689021] sd 8:0:0:0: [sda] 250069680 512-byte logical blocks: (128 GB/119 GiB)
> >> [   39.698524] sd 8:0:0:0: [sda] Write Protect is off
> >> [   39.698526] sd 8:0:0:0: [sda] Mode Sense: 37 00 00 08
> >> [   39.701341] sd 8:0:0:0: [sda] Write cache: enabled, read cache: enabled, doesn't support DPO or FUA
> >> [   39.702439] xhci_hcd 0000:0c:00.3: ERROR Transfer event for disabled endpoint or incorrect stream ring
> >> [   39.702442] xhci_hcd 0000:0c:00.3: @000000026c61f810 00000000 00000000 1b000000 05038000
> >> [   39.720357]  sda: sda1
> >> [   39.737829] sd 8:0:0:0: [sda] Attached SCSI disk
> >> [   39.760140] initcall uas_driver_init+0x0/0x1000 [uas] returned 0 after 114228 usecs
> >> [   39.923773] EXT4-fs (sda1): mounted filesystem with ordered data mode. Opts: (null)
> >> [  587.113528] sd 8:0:0:0: [sda] tag#27 uas_eh_abort_handler 0 uas-tag 28 inflight: CMD OUT
> >> [  587.123050] sd 8:0:0:0: [sda] tag#27 CDB: Write(10) 2a 00 03 6f b0 00 00 04 00 00
> >> [  587.131819] xhci_hcd 0000:0c:00.3: ERROR Transfer event for disabled endpoint or incorrect stream ring
> >> [  587.142599] xhci_hcd 0000:0c:00.3: @000000026c61f1a0 00000000 00000000 1b000000 05048000
> >> [  587.152037] sd 8:0:0:0: [sda] tag#26 uas_eh_abort_handler 0 uas-tag 27 inflight: CMD OUT
> >> [  587.161557] sd 8:0:0:0: [sda] tag#26 CDB: Write(10) 2a 00 03 6f ac 00 00 04 00 00
> >> [  587.170317] xhci_hcd 0000:0c:00.3: ERROR Transfer event for disabled endpoint or incorrect stream ring
> >> [  587.181095] xhci_hcd 0000:0c:00.3: @000000026c61f1c0 00000000 00000000 1b000000 05048000
> >> [  587.190530] sd 8:0:0:0: [sda] tag#25 uas_eh_abort_handler 0 uas-tag 26 inflight: CMD OUT
> >> [  587.200046] sd 8:0:0:0: [sda] tag#25 CDB: Write(10) 2a 00 03 6f a8 00 00 04 00 00
> >> [  587.208804] xhci_hcd 0000:0c:00.3: ERROR Transfer event for disabled endpoint or incorrect stream ring
> >> [  587.219574] xhci_hcd 0000:0c:00.3: @000000026c61f1e0 00000000 00000000 1b000000 05048000
> >> [  587.229006] sd 8:0:0:0: [sda] tag#24 uas_eh_abort_handler 0 uas-tag 25 inflight: CMD OUT
> >> [  587.238523] sd 8:0:0:0: [sda] tag#24 CDB: Write(10) 2a 00 03 6f a4 00 00 04 00 00
> >> [  587.247270] xhci_hcd 0000:0c:00.3: ERROR Transfer event for disabled endpoint or incorrect stream ring
> >> [  587.258047] xhci_hcd 0000:0c:00.3: @000000026c61f200 00000000 00000000 1b000000 05048000
> >> [  587.267471] sd 8:0:0:0: [sda] tag#23 uas_eh_abort_handler 0 uas-tag 24 inflight: CMD OUT
> >> [  587.276988] sd 8:0:0:0: [sda] tag#23 CDB: Write(10) 2a 00 03 6f a0 00 00 04 00 00
> >> [  587.285745] xhci_hcd 0000:0c:00.3: ERROR Transfer event for disabled endpoint or incorrect stream ring
> >> [  587.296522] xhci_hcd 0000:0c:00.3: @000000026c61f220 00000000 00000000 1b000000 05048000
> >> [  587.305955] sd 8:0:0:0: [sda] tag#22 uas_eh_abort_handler 0 uas-tag 23 inflight: CMD OUT
> >> [  587.315473] sd 8:0:0:0: [sda] tag#22 CDB: Write(10) 2a 00 03 6f 9c 00 00 04 00 00
> >> ...........................
> >>
> >>   592.553969] sd 8:0:0:0: [sda] tag#1 uas_eh_abort_handler 0 uas-tag 2 inflight: CMD
> >> [  592.553971] sd 8:0:0:0: [sda] tag#1 CDB: Write(10) 2a 00 03 6f 48 00 00 04 00 00
> >> [  592.553983] scsi host8: uas_eh_bus_reset_handler start
> >> [  592.553987] usb 2-2: cmd cmplt err -2
> >> [  592.852532] xhci_hcd 0000:0c:00.3: HC died; cleaning up
> >> [  592.858832] usb 1-1: USB disconnect, device number 2
> >> [  592.864765] usb 1-1.3: USB disconnect, device number 4
> >> [  592.870979] usb 2-2: USB disconnect, device number 0
> >> [  592.973600] usb 1-3: USB disconnect, device number 3
> >> [  593.021342] usb 1-4: USB disconnect, device number 5
> >> [  593.073210] usb 2-2: device not accepting address 2, error -22
> >> [  720.510582] INFO: task kworker/1:2:154 blocked for more than 120 seconds.
> >> [  720.518551]       Tainted: G         C  E   4.4.131-20210120.kylin.x86-generic #kylin-KylinOS
> >> [  720.528466] "echo 0 > /proc/sys/kernel/hung_task_timeout_secs" disables this message.
> >> [  720.537601] kworker/1:2     D ffff88026c143c38     0   154      2 0x00000000
> >> [  720.545894] Workqueue: usb_hub_wq hub_event
> >> [  720.550971]  ffff88026c143c38 0000000000016300 ffff8802755bb900 ffff88026cb80000
> >> [  720.559673]  ffff88026c144000 ffff88026ca88100 0000000000000000 ffff88026cb80000
> >> [  720.568374]  ffff88026cb80000 ffff88026c143c50 ffffffff8186ae25 ffff88026ca880f8
> >> [  720.577076] Call Trace:
> >> [  720.580201]  [<ffffffff8186ae25>] schedule+0x35/0x80
> >> [  720.586137]  [<ffffffff8186b0ce>] schedule_preempt_disabled+0xe/0x10
> >> [  720.593623]  [<ffffffff8186cb94>] __mutex_lock_slowpath+0x164/0x1e0
> >> [  720.601012]  [<ffffffff8186cc3f>] mutex_lock+0x2f/0x40
> >> [  720.607141]  [<ffffffff8162b8e9>] usb_disconnect+0x59/0x290
> >> [  720.613757]  [<ffffffff8162bb68>] hub_quiesce+0x48/0xa0
> >> [  720.619983]  [<ffffffff8162e06e>] hub_event+0x16e/0xb10
> >> [  720.626209]  [<ffffffff810af0f9>] ? ttwu_do_wakeup+0x19/0xf0
> >> [  720.632921]  [<ffffffff810af26d>] ? ttwu_do_activate.constprop.91+0x5d/0x70
> >> [  720.641086]  [<ffffffff810afd19>] ? try_to_wake_up+0x49/0x400
> >> [  720.647896]  [<ffffffff810f2445>] ? lock_timer_base+0x55/0x70
> >> [  720.654704]  [<ffffffff8109d70b>] process_one_work+0x16b/0x4b0
> >> [  720.661609]  [<ffffffff8109da9b>] worker_thread+0x4b/0x4d0
> >> [  720.668124]  [<ffffffff8109da50>] ? process_one_work+0x4b0/0x4b0
> >> [  720.675224]  [<ffffffff810a3ee7>] kthread+0xe7/0x100
> >> [  720.681162]  [<ffffffff810a3e00>] ? kthread_create_on_node+0x1e0/0x1e0
> >> [  720.688845]  [<ffffffff818700b5>] ret_from_fork+0x55/0x80
> >> [  720.695263]  [<ffffffff810a3e00>] ? kthread_create_on_node+0x1e0/0x1e0
> >> [  720.702947] INFO: task kworker/u32:6:254 blocked for more than 120 seconds.
> >> [  720.711112]       Tainted: G         C  E   4.4.131-20210120.kylin.x86-generic #kylin-KylinOS
> >> [  720.721021] "echo 0 > /proc/sys/kernel/hung_task_timeout_secs" disables this message.
> >> [  720.730153] kworker/u32:6   D ffff88026bb475e8     0   254      2 0x00000000
> >> [  720.738438] Workqueue: writeback wb_workfn (flush-8:0)
> >> [  720.744593]  ffff88026bb475e8 0000000000000200 ffff88026ab81c80 ffff880275318000
> >> [  720.753297]  ffff88026bb48000 ffff88027ec56300 7fffffffffffffff ffff8801c0b48060
> >> [  720.762001]  ffff8801c0b48000 ffff88026bb47600 ffffffff8186ae25 0000000000000000
> >> [  720.770705] Call Trace:
> >> [  720.773823]  [<ffffffff8186ae25>] schedule+0x35/0x80
> >> [  720.779762]  [<ffffffff8186e446>] schedule_timeout+0x1b6/0x270
> >> [  720.786670]  [<ffffffff810fc2ee>] ? ktime_get+0x3e/0xb0
> >> [  720.792897]  [<ffffffff8186a594>] io_schedule_timeout+0xa4/0x110
> >> [  720.799995]  [<ffffffff813c4971>] get_request+0x411/0x7a0
> >>
> >>   TKS!
> >>
> >>
> >> ----
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >> 主 题:Re: [PATCH] Revert "usb-storage: Add Hiksemi USB3-FW to IGNORE_UAS"
> >> 日 期:2023-01-09 20:16
> >> 发件人:qkrwngud825
> >> 收件人:oneukum;
> >>
> >> Hi Oliver,
> >>
> >> On Mon, Jan 9, 2023 at 9:02 PM Oliver Neukum wrote:
> >> >
> >> >
> >> >
> >> > On 09.01.23 12:55, Juhyung Park wrote:
> >> > > This reverts commit e00b488e813f0f1ad9f778e771b7cd2fe2877023.
> >> > >
> >> > > The commit e00b488e813f ("usb-storage: Add Hiksemi USB3-FW to IGNORE_UAS")
> >> > > blacklists UAS for the entire RTL9210 enclosures. Realtek's VendorId is 0x0bda
> >> > > and RTL9210 enclosures reports 0x9210 for its ProductId.
> >> > >
> >> > > The RTL9210 controller was advertised with UAS since its release back in 2019
> >> > > and was shipped with a lot of enclosure products with different firmware
> >> > > combinations.
> >> > >
> >> > > If UAS blacklisting is really required said product (Hiksemi USB3-FW), it
> >> > > should be done without blacklisting the entire RTL9210 products.
> >> >
> >> > Hi,
> >> >
> >> > I see this the issue. Do you have an idea how to limit the scope.
> >>
> >> Unfortunately, no.
> >>
> >> This might be the ugly case where, if a proper workaround could be
> >> found (if the original report is valid at all), it may change the code
> >> logic itself with some if branch rather than just unusual_uas.h.
> >>
> >> With my RTL9210 enclosure, using multiple different firmware versions
> >> still reports the same bcdDevice.
> >>
> >> Note that, despite Hongling reporting that Windows doesn't use UAS in
> >> https://lore.kernel.org/all/fbeffee7-3ac5-4798-14b0-724e0ed01947@126.com/
> >> , Windows uses it on mine and respectively trim works.
> >>
> >> >
> >> > Hongling Zeng, do you have an idea, respectively if not, could
> >> > you provide "lsusb -v" for the defective device?
> >> >
> >>
> >> Hongling didn't respond to Greg when he asked the same question back
> >> in November: https://lore.kernel.org/all/Y29RtXGcey6V9iTY@kroah.com/
> >>
> >> Anyways, here's my lsusb -v output. Hope it helps:
> >> Bus 004 Device 002: ID 0bda:9210 Realtek Semiconductor Corp. RTL9210
> >> M.2 NVME Adapter
> >> Device Descriptor:
> >> bLength 18
> >> bDescriptorType 1
> >> bcdUSB 3.20
> >> bDeviceClass 0
> >> bDeviceSubClass 0
> >> bDeviceProtocol 0
> >> bMaxPacketSize0 9
> >> idVendor 0x0bda Realtek Semiconductor Corp.
> >> idProduct 0x9210 RTL9210 M.2 NVME Adapter
> >> bcdDevice 20.01
> >> iManufacturer 1 Realtek
> >> iProduct 2 RTL9210
> >> iSerial 3 012345678906
> >> bNumConfigurations 1
> >> Configuration Descriptor:
> >> bLength 9
> >> bDescriptorType 2
> >> wTotalLength 0x0079
> >> bNumInterfaces 1
> >> bConfigurationValue 1
> >> iConfiguration 0
> >> bmAttributes 0x80
> >> (Bus Powered)
> >> MaxPower 896mA
> >> Interface Descriptor:
> >> bLength 9
> >> bDescriptorType 4
> >> bInterfaceNumber 0
> >> bAlternateSetting 0
> >> bNumEndpoints 2
> >> bInterfaceClass 8 Mass Storage
> >> bInterfaceSubClass 6 SCSI
> >> bInterfaceProtocol 80 Bulk-Only
> >> iInterface 0
> >> Endpoint Descriptor:
> >> bLength 7
> >> bDescriptorType 5
> >> bEndpointAddress 0x81 EP 1 IN
> >> bmAttributes 2
> >> Transfer Type Bulk
> >> Synch Type None
> >> Usage Type Data
> >> wMaxPacketSize 0x0400 1x 1024 bytes
> >> bInterval 0
> >> bMaxBurst 15
> >> Endpoint Descriptor:
> >> bLength 7
> >> bDescriptorType 5
> >> bEndpointAddress 0x02 EP 2 OUT
> >> bmAttributes 2
> >> Transfer Type Bulk
> >> Synch Type None
> >> Usage Type Data
> >> wMaxPacketSize 0x0400 1x 1024 bytes
> >> bInterval 0
> >> bMaxBurst 15
> >> Interface Descriptor:
> >> bLength 9
> >> bDescriptorType 4
> >> bInterfaceNumber 0
> >> bAlternateSetting 1
> >> bNumEndpoints 4
> >> bInterfaceClass 8 Mass Storage
> >> bInterfaceSubClass 6 SCSI
> >> bInterfaceProtocol 98
> >> iInterface 0
> >> Endpoint Descriptor:
> >> bLength 7
> >> bDescriptorType 5
> >> bEndpointAddress 0x81 EP 1 IN
> >> bmAttributes 2
> >> Transfer Type Bulk
> >> Synch Type None
> >> Usage Type Data
> >> wMaxPacketSize 0x0400 1x 1024 bytes
> >> bInterval 0
> >> bMaxBurst 15
> >> MaxStreams 32
> >> Data-in pipe (0x03)
> >> Endpoint Descriptor:
> >> bLength 7
> >> bDescriptorType 5
> >> bEndpointAddress 0x02 EP 2 OUT
> >> bmAttributes 2
> >> Transfer Type Bulk
> >> Synch Type None
> >> Usage Type Data
> >> wMaxPacketSize 0x0400 1x 1024 bytes
> >> bInterval 0
> >> bMaxBurst 15
> >> MaxStreams 32
> >> Data-out pipe (0x04)
> >> Endpoint Descriptor:
> >> bLength 7
> >> bDescriptorType 5
> >> bEndpointAddress 0x83 EP 3 IN
> >> bmAttributes 2
> >> Transfer Type Bulk
> >> Synch Type None
> >> Usage Type Data
> >> wMaxPacketSize 0x0400 1x 1024 bytes
> >> bInterval 0
> >> bMaxBurst 15
> >> MaxStreams 32
> >> Status pipe (0x02)
> >> Endpoint Descriptor:
> >> bLength 7
> >> bDescriptorType 5
> >> bEndpointAddress 0x04 EP 4 OUT
> >> bmAttributes 2
> >> Transfer Type Bulk
> >> Synch Type None
> >> Usage Type Data
> >> wMaxPacketSize 0x0400 1x 1024 bytes
> >> bInterval 0
> >> bMaxBurst 0
> >> Command pipe (0x01)
> >> Binary Object Store Descriptor:
> >> bLength 5
> >> bDescriptorType 15
> >> wTotalLength 0x003e
> >> bNumDeviceCaps 4
> >> USB 2.0 Extension Device Capability:
> >> bLength 7
> >> bDescriptorType 16
> >> bDevCapabilityType 2
> >> bmAttributes 0x00000006
> >> BESL Link Power Management (LPM) Supported
> >> SuperSpeed USB Device Capability:
> >> bLength 10
> >> bDescriptorType 16
> >> bDevCapabilityType 3
> >> bmAttributes 0x00
> >> wSpeedsSupported 0x000e
> >> Device can operate at Full Speed (12Mbps)
> >> Device can operate at High Speed (480Mbps)
> >> Device can operate at SuperSpeed (5Gbps)
> >> bFunctionalitySupport 1
> >> Lowest fully-functional device speed is Full Speed (12Mbps)
> >> bU1DevExitLat 10 micro seconds
> >> bU2DevExitLat 2047 micro seconds
> >> SuperSpeedPlus USB Device Capability:
> >> bLength 20
> >> bDescriptorType 16
> >> bDevCapabilityType 10
> >> bmAttributes 0x00000001
> >> Sublink Speed Attribute count 1
> >> Sublink Speed ID count 0
> >> wFunctionalitySupport 0x1100
> >> bmSublinkSpeedAttr[0] 0x000a4030
> >> Speed Attribute ID: 0 10Gb/s Symmetric RX SuperSpeedPlus
> >> bmSublinkSpeedAttr[1] 0x000a40b0
> >> Speed Attribute ID: 0 10Gb/s Symmetric TX SuperSpeedPlus
> >> Container ID Device Capability:
> >> bLength 20
> >> bDescriptorType 16
> >> bDevCapabilityType 4
> >> bReserved 0
> >> ContainerID {03020100-0504-0706-0002-020200020202}
> >> Device Status: 0x0000
> >> (Bus Powered)
> >>
> >>
> >> > Regards
> >> > Oliver

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* Re: [PATCH] Revert "usb-storage: Add Hiksemi USB3-FW to IGNORE_UAS"
  2023-01-17  6:16     ` Juhyung Park
@ 2023-01-17  8:09       ` Oliver Neukum
  2023-01-17  8:18         ` Juhyung Park
  0 siblings, 1 reply; 6+ messages in thread
From: Oliver Neukum @ 2023-01-17  8:09 UTC (permalink / raw)
  To: Juhyung Park, 曾红玲
  Cc: linux-usb, usb-storage, oneukum, gregkh, stern



On 17.01.23 07:16, Juhyung Park wrote:
> Posted a new patch:
> https://lore.kernel.org/all/20230117061046.114145-1-qkrwngud825@gmail.com/T/#u
> 
> This issue has been stalled for way too long. If string-based
> comparisons are too ugly, we can improve it later when Hongling is
> more active towards this issue.

Hi,

very well, you really see no other solution?
If so, could you please enhance the commit log to literally state
that there is no other way to tell them apart? And then resubmit?

	Regards
		Oliver

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* Re: [PATCH] Revert "usb-storage: Add Hiksemi USB3-FW to IGNORE_UAS"
  2023-01-17  8:09       ` Oliver Neukum
@ 2023-01-17  8:18         ` Juhyung Park
  2023-01-17  8:34           ` Oliver Neukum
  0 siblings, 1 reply; 6+ messages in thread
From: Juhyung Park @ 2023-01-17  8:18 UTC (permalink / raw)
  To: Oliver Neukum
  Cc: 曾红玲, linux-usb, usb-storage, gregkh, stern

Hi Oliver,

On Tue, Jan 17, 2023 at 5:09 PM Oliver Neukum <oneukum@suse.com> wrote:
>
>
>
> On 17.01.23 07:16, Juhyung Park wrote:
> > Posted a new patch:
> > https://lore.kernel.org/all/20230117061046.114145-1-qkrwngud825@gmail.com/T/#u
> >
> > This issue has been stalled for way too long. If string-based
> > comparisons are too ugly, we can improve it later when Hongling is
> > more active towards this issue.
>
> Hi,
>
> very well, you really see no other solution?
> If so, could you please enhance the commit log to literally state
> that there is no other way to tell them apart? And then resubmit?

My unit is fine and only Hongling's isn't.

I'm fairly certain that this is not the best way to deal with that
specific defective unit, but unless Hongling actively participates in
debugging and providing more info, the affected users (who have their
completely fine RTL9210 enclosure suddenly have UAS nuked, including
me) suffer more and more.

String-based method is the only way *I* can do to keep Hongling's
working with usb-storage while restoring UAS back to the rest of the
RTL9210 enclosures with limited info Hongling's supplied thus far.

I'm not sure if this is worthy enough to write in the commit message,
let me know what you think.
Maybe link the relevant lore.kernel.org discussions directly into the
commit message?

Thanks, regards

>
>         Regards
>                 Oliver

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* Re: [PATCH] Revert "usb-storage: Add Hiksemi USB3-FW to IGNORE_UAS"
  2023-01-17  8:18         ` Juhyung Park
@ 2023-01-17  8:34           ` Oliver Neukum
  2023-01-17  9:00             ` Juhyung Park
  0 siblings, 1 reply; 6+ messages in thread
From: Oliver Neukum @ 2023-01-17  8:34 UTC (permalink / raw)
  To: Juhyung Park, Oliver Neukum
  Cc: 曾红玲, linux-usb, usb-storage, gregkh, stern



On 17.01.23 09:18, Juhyung Park wrote:

Hi,

> I'm not sure if this is worthy enough to write in the commit message,
> let me know what you think.
> Maybe link the relevant lore.kernel.org discussions directly into the
> commit message?

By any means. The patch is the best you can do. I see and appreciate it.
It is still ugly. Yet, if there is no better way, so be it. But this
needs an extensive justification in the change log.
Please rather be wordier than you think necessary than too short.

I'll ack it.

	Regards
		Oliver


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* Re: [PATCH] Revert "usb-storage: Add Hiksemi USB3-FW to IGNORE_UAS"
  2023-01-17  8:34           ` Oliver Neukum
@ 2023-01-17  9:00             ` Juhyung Park
  0 siblings, 0 replies; 6+ messages in thread
From: Juhyung Park @ 2023-01-17  9:00 UTC (permalink / raw)
  To: Oliver Neukum
  Cc: 曾红玲, linux-usb, usb-storage, gregkh, stern

Hi Oliver,

On Tue, Jan 17, 2023 at 5:34 PM Oliver Neukum <oneukum@suse.com> wrote:
>
>
>
> On 17.01.23 09:18, Juhyung Park wrote:
>
> Hi,
>
> > I'm not sure if this is worthy enough to write in the commit message,
> > let me know what you think.
> > Maybe link the relevant lore.kernel.org discussions directly into the
> > commit message?
>
> By any means. The patch is the best you can do. I see and appreciate it.
> It is still ugly. Yet, if there is no better way, so be it. But this
> needs an extensive justification in the change log.
> Please rather be wordier than you think necessary than too short.
>
> I'll ack it.

Thanks again for your input.

I've posted v2 here:
https://lore.kernel.org/all/20230117085154.123301-1-qkrwngud825@gmail.com/

I've added cc to stable as well, forgot that for v1.

Thanks, regards.

>
>         Regards
>                 Oliver
>

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