* [wireless-regdb] Update regulatory rules for Panama (PA) on 2.4 and 5 GHz @ 2018-02-16 19:33 Michael Chen 2018-03-30 13:59 ` Seth Forshee 0 siblings, 1 reply; 6+ messages in thread From: Michael Chen @ 2018-02-16 19:33 UTC (permalink / raw) To: wireless-regdb Hi, I've been researching which frequencies are allowed for WiFi in Panama since I noticed that WiFi channels 12 and 13 are currently not accesible. After some research, I found that there are a few discrepancies that can be corrected in the 2.4ghz and 5 ghz band. Furthermore, the 5470-5725 band and the 57-64 Ghz band were recently added to the regulation. Source: http://www.asep.gob.pa/images/telecomunicaciones/Anexos/PNAF-dic2015.pdf Go to article 11.5 (pages 18, 19, and 20) for the WiFi frequencies. Allowed frequencies: 2400 - 2483.5 MHz 30dbm - 36dbm EIRP (See article 11.5.1) 5150 - 5250 MHz - 1W transmission - 4W EIRP (See article 11.5.2) 5250 - 5350 MHz - .250W transmission - 1W EIRP 5470 - 5725 MHz - .250W transmission - 1W EIRP 5725 - 5850 MHz - 1W transmission - 4W EIRP 57 - 64 Ghz - 27dbm transmission - 43dbm EIRP (See article 11.5.4) _______________________________________________ wireless-regdb mailing list wireless-regdb@lists.infradead.org http://lists.infradead.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless-regdb ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 6+ messages in thread
* Re: [wireless-regdb] Update regulatory rules for Panama (PA) on 2.4 and 5 GHz 2018-02-16 19:33 [wireless-regdb] Update regulatory rules for Panama (PA) on 2.4 and 5 GHz Michael Chen @ 2018-03-30 13:59 ` Seth Forshee 2018-05-14 16:50 ` Michael Chen 0 siblings, 1 reply; 6+ messages in thread From: Seth Forshee @ 2018-03-30 13:59 UTC (permalink / raw) To: Michael Chen; +Cc: wireless-regdb On Fri, Feb 16, 2018 at 02:33:25PM -0500, Michael Chen wrote: > Hi, > > I've been researching which frequencies are allowed for WiFi in Panama since I > noticed that WiFi channels 12 and 13 are currently not accesible. After some > research, I found that there are a few discrepancies that can be corrected in > the 2.4ghz and 5 ghz band. Furthermore, the 5470-5725 band and the 57-64 Ghz > band were recently added to the regulation. > > Source: http://www.asep.gob.pa/images/telecomunicaciones/Anexos/PNAF-dic2015.pdf > > Go to article 11.5 (pages 18, 19, and 20) for the WiFi frequencies. > > Allowed frequencies: > 2400 - 2483.5 MHz 30dbm - 36dbm EIRP (See article 11.5.1) > 5150 - 5250 MHz - 1W transmission - 4W EIRP (See article 11.5.2) > 5250 - 5350 MHz - .250W transmission - 1W EIRP > 5470 - 5725 MHz - .250W transmission - 1W EIRP > 5725 - 5850 MHz - 1W transmission - 4W EIRP > 57 - 64 Ghz - 27dbm transmission - 43dbm EIRP (See article 11.5.4) Based on reading a translation of the document, these limits look right. What I can't find is any indication of whether TPC or DFS is required in any of these ranges (based on the existing rules there seems to be a requirement for DFS at least). Possibly it's just not coming across in the translation; could you check whether there's any information about TPC or DFS, and if not see if that information is perhaps found elsewhere? Thanks, Seth _______________________________________________ wireless-regdb mailing list wireless-regdb@lists.infradead.org http://lists.infradead.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless-regdb ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 6+ messages in thread
* Re: [wireless-regdb] Update regulatory rules for Panama (PA) on 2.4 and 5 GHz 2018-03-30 13:59 ` Seth Forshee @ 2018-05-14 16:50 ` Michael Chen 2018-05-15 18:27 ` Seth Forshee 0 siblings, 1 reply; 6+ messages in thread From: Michael Chen @ 2018-05-14 16:50 UTC (permalink / raw) To: wireless-regdb Neither TPC nor DFS are currently required in Panama. I verified this via emails with the relevant authority. The Eng. Rene E. Piper from Tv, Radio, and Spectrum Administration Department of the National Authority of Public Services (ASEP) has confirmed me that the current code does not require radar detection. That being said, he has informed me that although the current code does not require TPC or DFS, the department is strongly considering adding the requirement on future versions of the National Plan of Frequency Allocations(PNAF). 2018-03-30 8:59 GMT-05:00 Seth Forshee <seth.forshee@canonical.com>: > On Fri, Feb 16, 2018 at 02:33:25PM -0500, Michael Chen wrote: >> Hi, >> >> I've been researching which frequencies are allowed for WiFi in Panama since I >> noticed that WiFi channels 12 and 13 are currently not accesible. After some >> research, I found that there are a few discrepancies that can be corrected in >> the 2.4ghz and 5 ghz band. Furthermore, the 5470-5725 band and the 57-64 Ghz >> band were recently added to the regulation. >> >> Source: http://www.asep.gob.pa/images/telecomunicaciones/Anexos/PNAF-dic2015.pdf >> >> Go to article 11.5 (pages 18, 19, and 20) for the WiFi frequencies. >> >> Allowed frequencies: >> 2400 - 2483.5 MHz 30dbm - 36dbm EIRP (See article 11.5.1) >> 5150 - 5250 MHz - 1W transmission - 4W EIRP (See article 11.5.2) >> 5250 - 5350 MHz - .250W transmission - 1W EIRP >> 5470 - 5725 MHz - .250W transmission - 1W EIRP >> 5725 - 5850 MHz - 1W transmission - 4W EIRP >> 57 - 64 Ghz - 27dbm transmission - 43dbm EIRP (See article 11.5.4) > > Based on reading a translation of the document, these limits look right. > What I can't find is any indication of whether TPC or DFS is required in > any of these ranges (based on the existing rules there seems to be a > requirement for DFS at least). Possibly it's just not coming across in > the translation; could you check whether there's any information about > TPC or DFS, and if not see if that information is perhaps found > elsewhere? > > Thanks, > Seth _______________________________________________ wireless-regdb mailing list wireless-regdb@lists.infradead.org http://lists.infradead.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless-regdb ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 6+ messages in thread
* Re: [wireless-regdb] Update regulatory rules for Panama (PA) on 2.4 and 5 GHz 2018-05-14 16:50 ` Michael Chen @ 2018-05-15 18:27 ` Seth Forshee 2018-05-15 22:27 ` Michael Chen 0 siblings, 1 reply; 6+ messages in thread From: Seth Forshee @ 2018-05-15 18:27 UTC (permalink / raw) To: Michael Chen; +Cc: wireless-regdb On Mon, May 14, 2018 at 11:50:15AM -0500, Michael Chen wrote: > Neither TPC nor DFS are currently required in Panama. I verified this via emails > with the relevant authority. The Eng. Rene E. Piper from Tv, Radio, and Spectrum > Administration Department of the National Authority of Public Services (ASEP) > has confirmed me that the current code does not require radar detection. > > That being said, he has informed me that although the current code does not > require TPC or DFS, the department is strongly considering adding the > requirement > on future versions of the National Plan of Frequency Allocations(PNAF). Great, thanks. I'm having trouble getting a good translation of the document, but it looks like there may be some restrictions on outdoor use in sections 11.5.2 and 11.5.4. Can you help me understand what if any restrictions apply? Thanks, Seth > > 2018-03-30 8:59 GMT-05:00 Seth Forshee <seth.forshee@canonical.com>: > > On Fri, Feb 16, 2018 at 02:33:25PM -0500, Michael Chen wrote: > >> Hi, > >> > >> I've been researching which frequencies are allowed for WiFi in Panama since I > >> noticed that WiFi channels 12 and 13 are currently not accesible. After some > >> research, I found that there are a few discrepancies that can be corrected in > >> the 2.4ghz and 5 ghz band. Furthermore, the 5470-5725 band and the 57-64 Ghz > >> band were recently added to the regulation. > >> > >> Source: http://www.asep.gob.pa/images/telecomunicaciones/Anexos/PNAF-dic2015.pdf > >> > >> Go to article 11.5 (pages 18, 19, and 20) for the WiFi frequencies. > >> > >> Allowed frequencies: > >> 2400 - 2483.5 MHz 30dbm - 36dbm EIRP (See article 11.5.1) > >> 5150 - 5250 MHz - 1W transmission - 4W EIRP (See article 11.5.2) > >> 5250 - 5350 MHz - .250W transmission - 1W EIRP > >> 5470 - 5725 MHz - .250W transmission - 1W EIRP > >> 5725 - 5850 MHz - 1W transmission - 4W EIRP > >> 57 - 64 Ghz - 27dbm transmission - 43dbm EIRP (See article 11.5.4) > > > > Based on reading a translation of the document, these limits look right. > > What I can't find is any indication of whether TPC or DFS is required in > > any of these ranges (based on the existing rules there seems to be a > > requirement for DFS at least). Possibly it's just not coming across in > > the translation; could you check whether there's any information about > > TPC or DFS, and if not see if that information is perhaps found > > elsewhere? > > > > Thanks, > > Seth > > _______________________________________________ > wireless-regdb mailing list > wireless-regdb@lists.infradead.org > http://lists.infradead.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless-regdb _______________________________________________ wireless-regdb mailing list wireless-regdb@lists.infradead.org http://lists.infradead.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless-regdb ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 6+ messages in thread
* Re: [wireless-regdb] Update regulatory rules for Panama (PA) on 2.4 and 5 GHz 2018-05-15 18:27 ` Seth Forshee @ 2018-05-15 22:27 ` Michael Chen 2018-05-17 18:26 ` Seth Forshee 0 siblings, 1 reply; 6+ messages in thread From: Michael Chen @ 2018-05-15 22:27 UTC (permalink / raw) To: wireless-regdb Sure, no problem, although I don't think they're relevant since the observations deal mostly with point to point connections and high gain antennas. 11.5.2 states that (for the 5Ghz bands): - For outdoor devices and point to multi point devices, if the antenna gain exceeds 6 dbi, the transmission power must be reduced by the same amount of decibels. - For point to point connections only, it allows the usage of antennas with gains up to 23 dbi without reducing the transmission gain on the 5.15-5.25 GHz band. - For point to point connections only, it allows the usage of antennas with gains up to 6 dbi without reducing the transmission gain on the 5.25-5.35 GHz and the 5.4-5.725 GHz band. - For point to point connections only, it allows the usage of antennas with no gain limit and no transmission power reduction on the 5.75-5.85 Ghz band 11.5.4 states that (for the 57Ghz to 64 Ghz band): - For outdoor equipment, the transmission power must not exceed 85 dbm minus 2 dBm for each dB of the antenna's gain that the antenna's gain is less than 51 dBi. Furthermore, the antenna must be the same type of antenna that was certified with the equipment. No other antenna type shall be used. 2018-05-15 13:27 GMT-05:00 Seth Forshee <seth.forshee@canonical.com>: > On Mon, May 14, 2018 at 11:50:15AM -0500, Michael Chen wrote: >> Neither TPC nor DFS are currently required in Panama. I verified this via emails >> with the relevant authority. The Eng. Rene E. Piper from Tv, Radio, and Spectrum >> Administration Department of the National Authority of Public Services (ASEP) >> has confirmed me that the current code does not require radar detection. >> >> That being said, he has informed me that although the current code does not >> require TPC or DFS, the department is strongly considering adding the >> requirement >> on future versions of the National Plan of Frequency Allocations(PNAF). > > Great, thanks. > > I'm having trouble getting a good translation of the document, but it > looks like there may be some restrictions on outdoor use in sections > 11.5.2 and 11.5.4. Can you help me understand what if any restrictions > apply? > > Thanks, > Seth > >> >> 2018-03-30 8:59 GMT-05:00 Seth Forshee <seth.forshee@canonical.com>: >> > On Fri, Feb 16, 2018 at 02:33:25PM -0500, Michael Chen wrote: >> >> Hi, >> >> >> >> I've been researching which frequencies are allowed for WiFi in Panama since I >> >> noticed that WiFi channels 12 and 13 are currently not accesible. After some >> >> research, I found that there are a few discrepancies that can be corrected in >> >> the 2.4ghz and 5 ghz band. Furthermore, the 5470-5725 band and the 57-64 Ghz >> >> band were recently added to the regulation. >> >> >> >> Source: http://www.asep.gob.pa/images/telecomunicaciones/Anexos/PNAF-dic2015.pdf >> >> >> >> Go to article 11.5 (pages 18, 19, and 20) for the WiFi frequencies. >> >> >> >> Allowed frequencies: >> >> 2400 - 2483.5 MHz 30dbm - 36dbm EIRP (See article 11.5.1) >> >> 5150 - 5250 MHz - 1W transmission - 4W EIRP (See article 11.5.2) >> >> 5250 - 5350 MHz - .250W transmission - 1W EIRP >> >> 5470 - 5725 MHz - .250W transmission - 1W EIRP >> >> 5725 - 5850 MHz - 1W transmission - 4W EIRP >> >> 57 - 64 Ghz - 27dbm transmission - 43dbm EIRP (See article 11.5.4) >> > >> > Based on reading a translation of the document, these limits look right. >> > What I can't find is any indication of whether TPC or DFS is required in >> > any of these ranges (based on the existing rules there seems to be a >> > requirement for DFS at least). Possibly it's just not coming across in >> > the translation; could you check whether there's any information about >> > TPC or DFS, and if not see if that information is perhaps found >> > elsewhere? >> > >> > Thanks, >> > Seth >> >> _______________________________________________ >> wireless-regdb mailing list >> wireless-regdb@lists.infradead.org >> http://lists.infradead.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless-regdb _______________________________________________ wireless-regdb mailing list wireless-regdb@lists.infradead.org http://lists.infradead.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless-regdb ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 6+ messages in thread
* Re: [wireless-regdb] Update regulatory rules for Panama (PA) on 2.4 and 5 GHz 2018-05-15 22:27 ` Michael Chen @ 2018-05-17 18:26 ` Seth Forshee 0 siblings, 0 replies; 6+ messages in thread From: Seth Forshee @ 2018-05-17 18:26 UTC (permalink / raw) To: Michael Chen; +Cc: wireless-regdb On Tue, May 15, 2018 at 05:27:23PM -0500, Michael Chen wrote: > Sure, no problem, although I don't think they're relevant since the > observations deal mostly with point to point connections and high gain > antennas. > > 11.5.2 states that (for the 5Ghz bands): > - For outdoor devices and point to multi point devices, if the antenna gain > exceeds 6 dbi, the transmission power must be reduced by the same > amount of decibels. > - For point to point connections only, it allows the usage of antennas with > gains up to 23 dbi without reducing the transmission gain on the 5.15-5.25 > GHz band. > - For point to point connections only, it allows the usage of antennas with > gains up to 6 dbi without reducing the transmission gain on the 5.25-5.35 > GHz and the 5.4-5.725 GHz band. > - For point to point connections only, it allows the usage of antennas with > no gain limit and no transmission power reduction on the 5.75-5.85 Ghz band > > 11.5.4 states that (for the 57Ghz to 64 Ghz band): > - For outdoor equipment, the transmission power must not exceed 85 dbm minus > 2 dBm for each dB of the antenna's gain that the antenna's gain is less than > 51 dBi. Furthermore, the antenna must be the same type of antenna that was > certified with the equipment. No other antenna type shall be used. Thanks. I don't think any of that should impact our rules, so I'll get a patch sent soon. Seth > 2018-05-15 13:27 GMT-05:00 Seth Forshee <seth.forshee@canonical.com>: > > On Mon, May 14, 2018 at 11:50:15AM -0500, Michael Chen wrote: > >> Neither TPC nor DFS are currently required in Panama. I verified this via emails > >> with the relevant authority. The Eng. Rene E. Piper from Tv, Radio, and Spectrum > >> Administration Department of the National Authority of Public Services (ASEP) > >> has confirmed me that the current code does not require radar detection. > >> > >> That being said, he has informed me that although the current code does not > >> require TPC or DFS, the department is strongly considering adding the > >> requirement > >> on future versions of the National Plan of Frequency Allocations(PNAF). > > > > Great, thanks. > > > > I'm having trouble getting a good translation of the document, but it > > looks like there may be some restrictions on outdoor use in sections > > 11.5.2 and 11.5.4. Can you help me understand what if any restrictions > > apply? > > > > Thanks, > > Seth > > > >> > >> 2018-03-30 8:59 GMT-05:00 Seth Forshee <seth.forshee@canonical.com>: > >> > On Fri, Feb 16, 2018 at 02:33:25PM -0500, Michael Chen wrote: > >> >> Hi, > >> >> > >> >> I've been researching which frequencies are allowed for WiFi in Panama since I > >> >> noticed that WiFi channels 12 and 13 are currently not accesible. After some > >> >> research, I found that there are a few discrepancies that can be corrected in > >> >> the 2.4ghz and 5 ghz band. Furthermore, the 5470-5725 band and the 57-64 Ghz > >> >> band were recently added to the regulation. > >> >> > >> >> Source: http://www.asep.gob.pa/images/telecomunicaciones/Anexos/PNAF-dic2015.pdf > >> >> > >> >> Go to article 11.5 (pages 18, 19, and 20) for the WiFi frequencies. > >> >> > >> >> Allowed frequencies: > >> >> 2400 - 2483.5 MHz 30dbm - 36dbm EIRP (See article 11.5.1) > >> >> 5150 - 5250 MHz - 1W transmission - 4W EIRP (See article 11.5.2) > >> >> 5250 - 5350 MHz - .250W transmission - 1W EIRP > >> >> 5470 - 5725 MHz - .250W transmission - 1W EIRP > >> >> 5725 - 5850 MHz - 1W transmission - 4W EIRP > >> >> 57 - 64 Ghz - 27dbm transmission - 43dbm EIRP (See article 11.5.4) > >> > > >> > Based on reading a translation of the document, these limits look right. > >> > What I can't find is any indication of whether TPC or DFS is required in > >> > any of these ranges (based on the existing rules there seems to be a > >> > requirement for DFS at least). Possibly it's just not coming across in > >> > the translation; could you check whether there's any information about > >> > TPC or DFS, and if not see if that information is perhaps found > >> > elsewhere? > >> > > >> > Thanks, > >> > Seth > >> > >> _______________________________________________ > >> wireless-regdb mailing list > >> wireless-regdb@lists.infradead.org > >> http://lists.infradead.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless-regdb > > _______________________________________________ > wireless-regdb mailing list > wireless-regdb@lists.infradead.org > http://lists.infradead.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless-regdb _______________________________________________ wireless-regdb mailing list wireless-regdb@lists.infradead.org http://lists.infradead.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless-regdb ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 6+ messages in thread
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