[PATCH 0/2] ARM: Remove lowmem limit for default CMA region

[PATCH 0/2] ARM: Remove lowmem limit for default CMA region

[Marek Szyprowski]

Hello,

Russell King recently noticed that limiting default CMA region only to
low memory on ARM architecture causes serious memory management issues
with machines having a lot of memory (which is mainly available as high
memory). More information can be found the following thread:
http://thread.gmane.org/gmane.linux.ports.arm.kernel/348441/

Those two patches removes this limit letting kernel to put default CMA
region into high memory when this is possible (there is enough high
memory available and architecture specific DMA limit fits).

This should solve strange OOM issues on systems with lots of RAM
(i.e. >1GiB) and large (>256M) CMA area.

Best regards
Marek Szyprowski
Samsung R&D Institute Poland


Marek Szyprowski (2):
  mm: cma: adjust address limit to avoid hitting low/high memory
    boundary
  ARM: mm: don't limit default CMA region only to low memory

 arch/arm/mm/init.c |  2 +-
 mm/cma.c           | 21 +++++++++++++++++++++
 2 files changed, 22 insertions(+), 1 deletion(-)

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1.9.2

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[PATCH 0/2] ARM: Remove lowmem limit for default CMA region

[Marek Szyprowski]

Hello,

Russell King recently noticed that limiting default CMA region only to
low memory on ARM architecture causes serious memory management issues
with machines having a lot of memory (which is mainly available as high
memory). More information can be found the following thread:
http://thread.gmane.org/gmane.linux.ports.arm.kernel/348441/

Those two patches removes this limit letting kernel to put default CMA
region into high memory when this is possible (there is enough high
memory available and architecture specific DMA limit fits).

This should solve strange OOM issues on systems with lots of RAM
(i.e. >1GiB) and large (>256M) CMA area.

Best regards
Marek Szyprowski
Samsung R&D Institute Poland


Marek Szyprowski (2):
  mm: cma: adjust address limit to avoid hitting low/high memory
    boundary
  ARM: mm: don't limit default CMA region only to low memory

 arch/arm/mm/init.c |  2 +-
 mm/cma.c           | 21 +++++++++++++++++++++
 2 files changed, 22 insertions(+), 1 deletion(-)

-- 
1.9.2

[PATCH 1/2] mm: cma: adjust address limit to avoid hitting low/high memory boundary

[Marek Szyprowski]

Automatically allocated regions should not cross low/high memory boundary,
because such regions cannot be later correctly initialized due to spanning
across two memory zones. This patch adds a check for this case and a simple
code for moving region to low memory if automatically selected address might
not fit completely into high memory.

Signed-off-by: Marek Szyprowski <m.szyprowski@samsung.com>
---
 mm/cma.c | 21 +++++++++++++++++++++
 1 file changed, 21 insertions(+)

diff --git a/mm/cma.c b/mm/cma.c
index c17751c0dcaf..4acc6aa4a086 100644
--- a/mm/cma.c
+++ b/mm/cma.c
@@ -32,6 +32,7 @@
 #include <linux/slab.h>
 #include <linux/log2.h>
 #include <linux/cma.h>
+#include <linux/highmem.h>
 
 struct cma {
 	unsigned long	base_pfn;
@@ -163,6 +164,8 @@ int __init cma_declare_contiguous(phys_addr_t base,
 			bool fixed, struct cma **res_cma)
 {
 	struct cma *cma;
+	phys_addr_t memblock_end = memblock_end_of_DRAM();
+	phys_addr_t highmem_start = __pa(high_memory);
 	int ret = 0;
 
 	pr_debug("%s(size %lx, base %08lx, limit %08lx alignment %08lx)\n",
@@ -196,6 +199,24 @@ int __init cma_declare_contiguous(phys_addr_t base,
 	if (!IS_ALIGNED(size >> PAGE_SHIFT, 1 << order_per_bit))
 		return -EINVAL;
 
+	/*
+	 * adjust limit to avoid crossing low/high memory boundary for
+	 * automatically allocated regions
+	 */
+	if (((limit == 0 || limit > memblock_end) &&
+	     (memblock_end - size < highmem_start &&
+	      memblock_end > highmem_start)) ||
+	    (!fixed && limit > highmem_start && limit - size < highmem_start)) {
+		limit = highmem_start;
+	}
+
+	if (fixed && base < highmem_start && base+size > highmem_start) {
+		ret = -EINVAL;
+		pr_err("Region at %08lx defined on low/high memory boundary (%08lx)\n",
+			(unsigned long)base, (unsigned long)highmem_start);
+		goto err;
+	}
+
 	/* Reserve memory */
 	if (base && fixed) {
 		if (memblock_is_region_reserved(base, size) ||
-- 
1.9.2

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[PATCH 1/2] mm: cma: adjust address limit to avoid hitting low/high memory boundary

[Marek Szyprowski]

Automatically allocated regions should not cross low/high memory boundary,
because such regions cannot be later correctly initialized due to spanning
across two memory zones. This patch adds a check for this case and a simple
code for moving region to low memory if automatically selected address might
not fit completely into high memory.

Signed-off-by: Marek Szyprowski <m.szyprowski@samsung.com>
---
 mm/cma.c | 21 +++++++++++++++++++++
 1 file changed, 21 insertions(+)

diff --git a/mm/cma.c b/mm/cma.c
index c17751c0dcaf..4acc6aa4a086 100644
--- a/mm/cma.c
+++ b/mm/cma.c
@@ -32,6 +32,7 @@
 #include <linux/slab.h>
 #include <linux/log2.h>
 #include <linux/cma.h>
+#include <linux/highmem.h>
 
 struct cma {
 	unsigned long	base_pfn;
@@ -163,6 +164,8 @@ int __init cma_declare_contiguous(phys_addr_t base,
 			bool fixed, struct cma **res_cma)
 {
 	struct cma *cma;
+	phys_addr_t memblock_end = memblock_end_of_DRAM();
+	phys_addr_t highmem_start = __pa(high_memory);
 	int ret = 0;
 
 	pr_debug("%s(size %lx, base %08lx, limit %08lx alignment %08lx)\n",
@@ -196,6 +199,24 @@ int __init cma_declare_contiguous(phys_addr_t base,
 	if (!IS_ALIGNED(size >> PAGE_SHIFT, 1 << order_per_bit))
 		return -EINVAL;
 
+	/*
+	 * adjust limit to avoid crossing low/high memory boundary for
+	 * automatically allocated regions
+	 */
+	if (((limit == 0 || limit > memblock_end) &&
+	     (memblock_end - size < highmem_start &&
+	      memblock_end > highmem_start)) ||
+	    (!fixed && limit > highmem_start && limit - size < highmem_start)) {
+		limit = highmem_start;
+	}
+
+	if (fixed && base < highmem_start && base+size > highmem_start) {
+		ret = -EINVAL;
+		pr_err("Region at %08lx defined on low/high memory boundary (%08lx)\n",
+			(unsigned long)base, (unsigned long)highmem_start);
+		goto err;
+	}
+
 	/* Reserve memory */
 	if (base && fixed) {
 		if (memblock_is_region_reserved(base, size) ||
-- 
1.9.2

[PATCH 2/2] ARM: mm: don't limit default CMA region only to low memory

[Marek Szyprowski]

DMA-mapping supports CMA regions places either in low or high memory, so
there is no longer needed to limit default CMA regions only to low memory.
The real limit is still defined by architecture specific DMA limit.

Reported-by: Russell King - ARM Linux <linux@arm.linux.org.uk>
Signed-off-by: Marek Szyprowski <m.szyprowski@samsung.com>
---
 arch/arm/mm/init.c | 2 +-
 1 file changed, 1 insertion(+), 1 deletion(-)

diff --git a/arch/arm/mm/init.c b/arch/arm/mm/init.c
index 659c75d808dc..c1b513555786 100644
--- a/arch/arm/mm/init.c
+++ b/arch/arm/mm/init.c
@@ -322,7 +322,7 @@ void __init arm_memblock_init(const struct machine_desc *mdesc)
 	 * reserve memory for DMA contigouos allocations,
 	 * must come from DMA area inside low memory
 	 */
-	dma_contiguous_reserve(min(arm_dma_limit, arm_lowmem_limit));
+	dma_contiguous_reserve(arm_dma_limit);
 
 	arm_memblock_steal_permitted = false;
 	memblock_dump_all();
-- 
1.9.2

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[PATCH 2/2] ARM: mm: don't limit default CMA region only to low memory

[Marek Szyprowski]

DMA-mapping supports CMA regions places either in low or high memory, so
there is no longer needed to limit default CMA regions only to low memory.
The real limit is still defined by architecture specific DMA limit.

Reported-by: Russell King - ARM Linux <linux@arm.linux.org.uk>
Signed-off-by: Marek Szyprowski <m.szyprowski@samsung.com>
---
 arch/arm/mm/init.c | 2 +-
 1 file changed, 1 insertion(+), 1 deletion(-)

diff --git a/arch/arm/mm/init.c b/arch/arm/mm/init.c
index 659c75d808dc..c1b513555786 100644
--- a/arch/arm/mm/init.c
+++ b/arch/arm/mm/init.c
@@ -322,7 +322,7 @@ void __init arm_memblock_init(const struct machine_desc *mdesc)
 	 * reserve memory for DMA contigouos allocations,
 	 * must come from DMA area inside low memory
 	 */
-	dma_contiguous_reserve(min(arm_dma_limit, arm_lowmem_limit));
+	dma_contiguous_reserve(arm_dma_limit);
 
 	arm_memblock_steal_permitted = false;
 	memblock_dump_all();
-- 
1.9.2

Re: [PATCH 2/2] ARM: mm: don't limit default CMA region only to low memory

[Daniel Drake]

Hi Marek,

On Thu, Aug 21, 2014 at 9:45 AM, Marek Szyprowski
<m.szyprowski@samsung.com> wrote:
> DMA-mapping supports CMA regions places either in low or high memory, so
> there is no longer needed to limit default CMA regions only to low memory.
> The real limit is still defined by architecture specific DMA limit.

Thanks for working on this!

I think you need to update the comment here though, which still says:
    /*
     * reserve memory for DMA contigouos allocations,
     * must come from DMA area inside low memory
     */

If you're making a second version, as a minor nitpick you could also
s/places/placed in the commit message.

Daniel

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[PATCH 2/2] ARM: mm: don't limit default CMA region only to low memory

[Daniel Drake]

Hi Marek,

On Thu, Aug 21, 2014 at 9:45 AM, Marek Szyprowski
<m.szyprowski@samsung.com> wrote:
> DMA-mapping supports CMA regions places either in low or high memory, so
> there is no longer needed to limit default CMA regions only to low memory.
> The real limit is still defined by architecture specific DMA limit.

Thanks for working on this!

I think you need to update the comment here though, which still says:
    /*
     * reserve memory for DMA contigouos allocations,
     * must come from DMA area inside low memory
     */

If you're making a second version, as a minor nitpick you could also
s/places/placed in the commit message.

Daniel

Re: [PATCH 1/2] mm: cma: adjust address limit to avoid hitting low/high memory boundary

[Michal Nazarewicz]

On Thu, Aug 21 2014, Marek Szyprowski <m.szyprowski@samsung.com> wrote:
> Automatically allocated regions should not cross low/high memory boundary,
> because such regions cannot be later correctly initialized due to spanning
> across two memory zones. This patch adds a check for this case and a simple
> code for moving region to low memory if automatically selected address might
> not fit completely into high memory.
>
> Signed-off-by: Marek Szyprowski <m.szyprowski@samsung.com>

Acked-by: Michal Nazarewicz <mina86@mina86.com>

> ---
>  mm/cma.c | 21 +++++++++++++++++++++
>  1 file changed, 21 insertions(+)
>
> diff --git a/mm/cma.c b/mm/cma.c
> index c17751c0dcaf..4acc6aa4a086 100644
> --- a/mm/cma.c
> +++ b/mm/cma.c
> @@ -32,6 +32,7 @@
>  #include <linux/slab.h>
>  #include <linux/log2.h>
>  #include <linux/cma.h>
> +#include <linux/highmem.h>
>  
>  struct cma {
>  	unsigned long	base_pfn;
> @@ -163,6 +164,8 @@ int __init cma_declare_contiguous(phys_addr_t base,
>  			bool fixed, struct cma **res_cma)
>  {
>  	struct cma *cma;
> +	phys_addr_t memblock_end = memblock_end_of_DRAM();
> +	phys_addr_t highmem_start = __pa(high_memory);
>  	int ret = 0;
>  
>  	pr_debug("%s(size %lx, base %08lx, limit %08lx alignment %08lx)\n",
> @@ -196,6 +199,24 @@ int __init cma_declare_contiguous(phys_addr_t base,
>  	if (!IS_ALIGNED(size >> PAGE_SHIFT, 1 << order_per_bit))
>  		return -EINVAL;
>  
> +	/*
> +	 * adjust limit to avoid crossing low/high memory boundary for
> +	 * automatically allocated regions
> +	 */
> +	if (((limit == 0 || limit > memblock_end) &&
> +	     (memblock_end - size < highmem_start &&
> +	      memblock_end > highmem_start)) ||
> +	    (!fixed && limit > highmem_start && limit - size < highmem_start)) {
> +		limit = highmem_start;
> +	}
> +
> +	if (fixed && base < highmem_start && base+size > highmem_start) {
> +		ret = -EINVAL;
> +		pr_err("Region at %08lx defined on low/high memory boundary (%08lx)\n",
> +			(unsigned long)base, (unsigned long)highmem_start);
> +		goto err;
> +	}
> +
>  	/* Reserve memory */
>  	if (base && fixed) {
>  		if (memblock_is_region_reserved(base, size) ||
> -- 
> 1.9.2
>

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[PATCH 1/2] mm: cma: adjust address limit to avoid hitting low/high memory boundary

[Michal Nazarewicz]

On Thu, Aug 21 2014, Marek Szyprowski <m.szyprowski@samsung.com> wrote:
> Automatically allocated regions should not cross low/high memory boundary,
> because such regions cannot be later correctly initialized due to spanning
> across two memory zones. This patch adds a check for this case and a simple
> code for moving region to low memory if automatically selected address might
> not fit completely into high memory.
>
> Signed-off-by: Marek Szyprowski <m.szyprowski@samsung.com>

Acked-by: Michal Nazarewicz <mina86@mina86.com>

> ---
>  mm/cma.c | 21 +++++++++++++++++++++
>  1 file changed, 21 insertions(+)
>
> diff --git a/mm/cma.c b/mm/cma.c
> index c17751c0dcaf..4acc6aa4a086 100644
> --- a/mm/cma.c
> +++ b/mm/cma.c
> @@ -32,6 +32,7 @@
>  #include <linux/slab.h>
>  #include <linux/log2.h>
>  #include <linux/cma.h>
> +#include <linux/highmem.h>
>  
>  struct cma {
>  	unsigned long	base_pfn;
> @@ -163,6 +164,8 @@ int __init cma_declare_contiguous(phys_addr_t base,
>  			bool fixed, struct cma **res_cma)
>  {
>  	struct cma *cma;
> +	phys_addr_t memblock_end = memblock_end_of_DRAM();
> +	phys_addr_t highmem_start = __pa(high_memory);
>  	int ret = 0;
>  
>  	pr_debug("%s(size %lx, base %08lx, limit %08lx alignment %08lx)\n",
> @@ -196,6 +199,24 @@ int __init cma_declare_contiguous(phys_addr_t base,
>  	if (!IS_ALIGNED(size >> PAGE_SHIFT, 1 << order_per_bit))
>  		return -EINVAL;
>  
> +	/*
> +	 * adjust limit to avoid crossing low/high memory boundary for
> +	 * automatically allocated regions
> +	 */
> +	if (((limit == 0 || limit > memblock_end) &&
> +	     (memblock_end - size < highmem_start &&
> +	      memblock_end > highmem_start)) ||
> +	    (!fixed && limit > highmem_start && limit - size < highmem_start)) {
> +		limit = highmem_start;
> +	}
> +
> +	if (fixed && base < highmem_start && base+size > highmem_start) {
> +		ret = -EINVAL;
> +		pr_err("Region at %08lx defined on low/high memory boundary (%08lx)\n",
> +			(unsigned long)base, (unsigned long)highmem_start);
> +		goto err;
> +	}
> +
>  	/* Reserve memory */
>  	if (base && fixed) {
>  		if (memblock_is_region_reserved(base, size) ||
> -- 
> 1.9.2
>

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Re: [PATCH 2/2] ARM: mm: don't limit default CMA region only to low memory

[Michal Nazarewicz]

On Thu, Aug 21 2014, Marek Szyprowski <m.szyprowski@samsung.com> wrote:
> DMA-mapping supports CMA regions places either in low or high memory, so
> there is no longer needed to limit default CMA regions only to low memory.
> The real limit is still defined by architecture specific DMA limit.
>
> Reported-by: Russell King - ARM Linux <linux@arm.linux.org.uk>
> Signed-off-by: Marek Szyprowski <m.szyprowski@samsung.com>

Acked-by: Michal Nazarewicz <mina86@mina86.com>

> ---
>  arch/arm/mm/init.c | 2 +-
>  1 file changed, 1 insertion(+), 1 deletion(-)
>
> diff --git a/arch/arm/mm/init.c b/arch/arm/mm/init.c
> index 659c75d808dc..c1b513555786 100644
> --- a/arch/arm/mm/init.c
> +++ b/arch/arm/mm/init.c
> @@ -322,7 +322,7 @@ void __init arm_memblock_init(const struct machine_desc *mdesc)
>  	 * reserve memory for DMA contigouos allocations,
>  	 * must come from DMA area inside low memory
>  	 */
> -	dma_contiguous_reserve(min(arm_dma_limit, arm_lowmem_limit));
> +	dma_contiguous_reserve(arm_dma_limit);
>  
>  	arm_memblock_steal_permitted = false;
>  	memblock_dump_all();
> -- 
> 1.9.2
>

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[PATCH 2/2] ARM: mm: don't limit default CMA region only to low memory

[Michal Nazarewicz]

On Thu, Aug 21 2014, Marek Szyprowski <m.szyprowski@samsung.com> wrote:
> DMA-mapping supports CMA regions places either in low or high memory, so
> there is no longer needed to limit default CMA regions only to low memory.
> The real limit is still defined by architecture specific DMA limit.
>
> Reported-by: Russell King - ARM Linux <linux@arm.linux.org.uk>
> Signed-off-by: Marek Szyprowski <m.szyprowski@samsung.com>

Acked-by: Michal Nazarewicz <mina86@mina86.com>

> ---
>  arch/arm/mm/init.c | 2 +-
>  1 file changed, 1 insertion(+), 1 deletion(-)
>
> diff --git a/arch/arm/mm/init.c b/arch/arm/mm/init.c
> index 659c75d808dc..c1b513555786 100644
> --- a/arch/arm/mm/init.c
> +++ b/arch/arm/mm/init.c
> @@ -322,7 +322,7 @@ void __init arm_memblock_init(const struct machine_desc *mdesc)
>  	 * reserve memory for DMA contigouos allocations,
>  	 * must come from DMA area inside low memory
>  	 */
> -	dma_contiguous_reserve(min(arm_dma_limit, arm_lowmem_limit));
> +	dma_contiguous_reserve(arm_dma_limit);
>  
>  	arm_memblock_steal_permitted = false;
>  	memblock_dump_all();
> -- 
> 1.9.2
>

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Re: [PATCH 0/2] ARM: Remove lowmem limit for default CMA region

[Minchan Kim]

Hello,

On Thu, Aug 21, 2014 at 10:45:12AM +0200, Marek Szyprowski wrote:
> Hello,
> 
> Russell King recently noticed that limiting default CMA region only to
> low memory on ARM architecture causes serious memory management issues
> with machines having a lot of memory (which is mainly available as high
> memory). More information can be found the following thread:
> http://thread.gmane.org/gmane.linux.ports.arm.kernel/348441/
> 
> Those two patches removes this limit letting kernel to put default CMA
> region into high memory when this is possible (there is enough high
> memory available and architecture specific DMA limit fits).

Agreed. It should be from the beginning because CMA page is effectly
pinned if it is anonymous page and system has no swap.

> 
> This should solve strange OOM issues on systems with lots of RAM
> (i.e. >1GiB) and large (>256M) CMA area.

I totally agree with the patchset although I didn't review code
at all.

Another topic:
It means it should be a problem still if system has CMA in lowmem
by some reason(ex, hardware limit or other purpose of CMA
rather than DMA subsystem)?

In that case, an idea that just popped in my head is to migrate
pages from cma area to highest zone because they are all
userspace pages which should be in there but not sure it's worth
to implement at this point because how many such cripple platform
are.

Just for the recording.

> 
> Best regards
> Marek Szyprowski
> Samsung R&D Institute Poland
> 
> 
> Marek Szyprowski (2):
>   mm: cma: adjust address limit to avoid hitting low/high memory
>     boundary
>   ARM: mm: don't limit default CMA region only to low memory
> 
>  arch/arm/mm/init.c |  2 +-
>  mm/cma.c           | 21 +++++++++++++++++++++
>  2 files changed, 22 insertions(+), 1 deletion(-)
> 
> -- 
> 1.9.2
> 
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[PATCH 0/2] ARM: Remove lowmem limit for default CMA region

[Minchan Kim]

Hello,

On Thu, Aug 21, 2014 at 10:45:12AM +0200, Marek Szyprowski wrote:
> Hello,
> 
> Russell King recently noticed that limiting default CMA region only to
> low memory on ARM architecture causes serious memory management issues
> with machines having a lot of memory (which is mainly available as high
> memory). More information can be found the following thread:
> http://thread.gmane.org/gmane.linux.ports.arm.kernel/348441/
> 
> Those two patches removes this limit letting kernel to put default CMA
> region into high memory when this is possible (there is enough high
> memory available and architecture specific DMA limit fits).

Agreed. It should be from the beginning because CMA page is effectly
pinned if it is anonymous page and system has no swap.

> 
> This should solve strange OOM issues on systems with lots of RAM
> (i.e. >1GiB) and large (>256M) CMA area.

I totally agree with the patchset although I didn't review code
at all.

Another topic:
It means it should be a problem still if system has CMA in lowmem
by some reason(ex, hardware limit or other purpose of CMA
rather than DMA subsystem)?

In that case, an idea that just popped in my head is to migrate
pages from cma area to highest zone because they are all
userspace pages which should be in there but not sure it's worth
to implement at this point because how many such cripple platform
are.

Just for the recording.

> 
> Best regards
> Marek Szyprowski
> Samsung R&D Institute Poland
> 
> 
> Marek Szyprowski (2):
>   mm: cma: adjust address limit to avoid hitting low/high memory
>     boundary
>   ARM: mm: don't limit default CMA region only to low memory
> 
>  arch/arm/mm/init.c |  2 +-
>  mm/cma.c           | 21 +++++++++++++++++++++
>  2 files changed, 22 insertions(+), 1 deletion(-)
> 
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Re: [PATCH 0/2] ARM: Remove lowmem limit for default CMA region

[Marek Szyprowski]

Hello,

On 2014-08-25 03:26, Minchan Kim wrote:
> Hello,
>
> On Thu, Aug 21, 2014 at 10:45:12AM +0200, Marek Szyprowski wrote:
>> Hello,
>>
>> Russell King recently noticed that limiting default CMA region only to
>> low memory on ARM architecture causes serious memory management issues
>> with machines having a lot of memory (which is mainly available as high
>> memory). More information can be found the following thread:
>> http://thread.gmane.org/gmane.linux.ports.arm.kernel/348441/
>>
>> Those two patches removes this limit letting kernel to put default CMA
>> region into high memory when this is possible (there is enough high
>> memory available and architecture specific DMA limit fits).
> Agreed. It should be from the beginning because CMA page is effectly
> pinned if it is anonymous page and system has no swap.

Nope. Even without swap, anonymous page can be correctly migrated to other
location. Migration code doesn't depend on presence of swap.

>> This should solve strange OOM issues on systems with lots of RAM
>> (i.e. >1GiB) and large (>256M) CMA area.
> I totally agree with the patchset although I didn't review code
> at all.
>
> Another topic:
> It means it should be a problem still if system has CMA in lowmem
> by some reason(ex, hardware limit or other purpose of CMA
> rather than DMA subsystem)?
>
> In that case, an idea that just popped in my head is to migrate
> pages from cma area to highest zone because they are all
> userspace pages which should be in there but not sure it's worth
> to implement at this point because how many such cripple platform
> are.
>
> Just for the recording.

Moving pages between low and high zone is not that easy. If I remember
correctly you cannot migrate a page from low memory to high zone in
generic case, although it should be possible to add exception for
anonymous pages. This will definitely improve poor low memory
handling in low zone when CMA is enabled.

Best regards
-- 
Marek Szyprowski, PhD
Samsung R&D Institute Poland

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[PATCH 0/2] ARM: Remove lowmem limit for default CMA region

[Marek Szyprowski]

Hello,

On 2014-08-25 03:26, Minchan Kim wrote:
> Hello,
>
> On Thu, Aug 21, 2014 at 10:45:12AM +0200, Marek Szyprowski wrote:
>> Hello,
>>
>> Russell King recently noticed that limiting default CMA region only to
>> low memory on ARM architecture causes serious memory management issues
>> with machines having a lot of memory (which is mainly available as high
>> memory). More information can be found the following thread:
>> http://thread.gmane.org/gmane.linux.ports.arm.kernel/348441/
>>
>> Those two patches removes this limit letting kernel to put default CMA
>> region into high memory when this is possible (there is enough high
>> memory available and architecture specific DMA limit fits).
> Agreed. It should be from the beginning because CMA page is effectly
> pinned if it is anonymous page and system has no swap.

Nope. Even without swap, anonymous page can be correctly migrated to other
location. Migration code doesn't depend on presence of swap.

>> This should solve strange OOM issues on systems with lots of RAM
>> (i.e. >1GiB) and large (>256M) CMA area.
> I totally agree with the patchset although I didn't review code
> at all.
>
> Another topic:
> It means it should be a problem still if system has CMA in lowmem
> by some reason(ex, hardware limit or other purpose of CMA
> rather than DMA subsystem)?
>
> In that case, an idea that just popped in my head is to migrate
> pages from cma area to highest zone because they are all
> userspace pages which should be in there but not sure it's worth
> to implement at this point because how many such cripple platform
> are.
>
> Just for the recording.

Moving pages between low and high zone is not that easy. If I remember
correctly you cannot migrate a page from low memory to high zone in
generic case, although it should be possible to add exception for
anonymous pages. This will definitely improve poor low memory
handling in low zone when CMA is enabled.

Best regards
-- 
Marek Szyprowski, PhD
Samsung R&D Institute Poland

Re: [PATCH 0/2] ARM: Remove lowmem limit for default CMA region

[Minchan Kim]

On Mon, Aug 25, 2014 at 10:00:32AM +0200, Marek Szyprowski wrote:
> Hello,
> 
> On 2014-08-25 03:26, Minchan Kim wrote:
> >Hello,
> >
> >On Thu, Aug 21, 2014 at 10:45:12AM +0200, Marek Szyprowski wrote:
> >>Hello,
> >>
> >>Russell King recently noticed that limiting default CMA region only to
> >>low memory on ARM architecture causes serious memory management issues
> >>with machines having a lot of memory (which is mainly available as high
> >>memory). More information can be found the following thread:
> >>http://thread.gmane.org/gmane.linux.ports.arm.kernel/348441/
> >>
> >>Those two patches removes this limit letting kernel to put default CMA
> >>region into high memory when this is possible (there is enough high
> >>memory available and architecture specific DMA limit fits).
> >Agreed. It should be from the beginning because CMA page is effectly
> >pinned if it is anonymous page and system has no swap.
> 
> Nope. Even without swap, anonymous page can be correctly migrated to other
> location. Migration code doesn't depend on presence of swap.

I could be possible only if the zone has freeable page(ie, free pages
+ shrinkable page like page cache). IOW, if the zone is full with
anon pages, it's efffectively pinned.

> 
> >>This should solve strange OOM issues on systems with lots of RAM
> >>(i.e. >1GiB) and large (>256M) CMA area.
> >I totally agree with the patchset although I didn't review code
> >at all.
> >
> >Another topic:
> >It means it should be a problem still if system has CMA in lowmem
> >by some reason(ex, hardware limit or other purpose of CMA
> >rather than DMA subsystem)?
> >
> >In that case, an idea that just popped in my head is to migrate
> >pages from cma area to highest zone because they are all
> >userspace pages which should be in there but not sure it's worth
> >to implement at this point because how many such cripple platform
> >are.
> >
> >Just for the recording.
> 
> Moving pages between low and high zone is not that easy. If I remember
> correctly you cannot migrate a page from low memory to high zone in
> generic case, although it should be possible to add exception for
> anonymous pages. This will definitely improve poor low memory
> handling in low zone when CMA is enabled.

Yeb, it's possible for anonymous pages but I just wonder it's worth
to add more complexitiy to mm and and you are answering it's worth.
Okay. May I understand your positive feedback means such platform(
ie, DMA works with only lowmem) are still common?

Thanks.

> 
> Best regards
> -- 
> Marek Szyprowski, PhD
> Samsung R&D Institute Poland
> 
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[PATCH 0/2] ARM: Remove lowmem limit for default CMA region

[Minchan Kim]

On Mon, Aug 25, 2014 at 10:00:32AM +0200, Marek Szyprowski wrote:
> Hello,
> 
> On 2014-08-25 03:26, Minchan Kim wrote:
> >Hello,
> >
> >On Thu, Aug 21, 2014 at 10:45:12AM +0200, Marek Szyprowski wrote:
> >>Hello,
> >>
> >>Russell King recently noticed that limiting default CMA region only to
> >>low memory on ARM architecture causes serious memory management issues
> >>with machines having a lot of memory (which is mainly available as high
> >>memory). More information can be found the following thread:
> >>http://thread.gmane.org/gmane.linux.ports.arm.kernel/348441/
> >>
> >>Those two patches removes this limit letting kernel to put default CMA
> >>region into high memory when this is possible (there is enough high
> >>memory available and architecture specific DMA limit fits).
> >Agreed. It should be from the beginning because CMA page is effectly
> >pinned if it is anonymous page and system has no swap.
> 
> Nope. Even without swap, anonymous page can be correctly migrated to other
> location. Migration code doesn't depend on presence of swap.

I could be possible only if the zone has freeable page(ie, free pages
+ shrinkable page like page cache). IOW, if the zone is full with
anon pages, it's efffectively pinned.

> 
> >>This should solve strange OOM issues on systems with lots of RAM
> >>(i.e. >1GiB) and large (>256M) CMA area.
> >I totally agree with the patchset although I didn't review code
> >at all.
> >
> >Another topic:
> >It means it should be a problem still if system has CMA in lowmem
> >by some reason(ex, hardware limit or other purpose of CMA
> >rather than DMA subsystem)?
> >
> >In that case, an idea that just popped in my head is to migrate
> >pages from cma area to highest zone because they are all
> >userspace pages which should be in there but not sure it's worth
> >to implement at this point because how many such cripple platform
> >are.
> >
> >Just for the recording.
> 
> Moving pages between low and high zone is not that easy. If I remember
> correctly you cannot migrate a page from low memory to high zone in
> generic case, although it should be possible to add exception for
> anonymous pages. This will definitely improve poor low memory
> handling in low zone when CMA is enabled.

Yeb, it's possible for anonymous pages but I just wonder it's worth
to add more complexitiy to mm and and you are answering it's worth.
Okay. May I understand your positive feedback means such platform(
ie, DMA works with only lowmem) are still common?

Thanks.

> 
> Best regards
> -- 
> Marek Szyprowski, PhD
> Samsung R&D Institute Poland
> 
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Re: [PATCH 0/2] ARM: Remove lowmem limit for default CMA region

[Marek Szyprowski]

Hello,

On 2014-08-25 10:18, Minchan Kim wrote:
> On Mon, Aug 25, 2014 at 10:00:32AM +0200, Marek Szyprowski wrote:
>> On 2014-08-25 03:26, Minchan Kim wrote:
>>> On Thu, Aug 21, 2014 at 10:45:12AM +0200, Marek Szyprowski wrote:
>>>> Russell King recently noticed that limiting default CMA region only to
>>>> low memory on ARM architecture causes serious memory management issues
>>>> with machines having a lot of memory (which is mainly available as high
>>>> memory). More information can be found the following thread:
>>>> http://thread.gmane.org/gmane.linux.ports.arm.kernel/348441/
>>>>
>>>> Those two patches removes this limit letting kernel to put default CMA
>>>> region into high memory when this is possible (there is enough high
>>>> memory available and architecture specific DMA limit fits).
>>> Agreed. It should be from the beginning because CMA page is effectly
>>> pinned if it is anonymous page and system has no swap.
>> Nope. Even without swap, anonymous page can be correctly migrated to other
>> location. Migration code doesn't depend on presence of swap.
> I could be possible only if the zone has freeable page(ie, free pages
> + shrinkable page like page cache). IOW, if the zone is full with
> anon pages, it's efffectively pinned.

Why? __alloc_contig_migrate_range() uses alloc_migrate_target() 
function, which
can take free page from any zone matching given flags.

>>>> This should solve strange OOM issues on systems with lots of RAM
>>>> (i.e. >1GiB) and large (>256M) CMA area.
>>> I totally agree with the patchset although I didn't review code
>>> at all.
>>>
>>> Another topic:
>>> It means it should be a problem still if system has CMA in lowmem
>>> by some reason(ex, hardware limit or other purpose of CMA
>>> rather than DMA subsystem)?
>>>
>>> In that case, an idea that just popped in my head is to migrate
>>> pages from cma area to highest zone because they are all
>>> userspace pages which should be in there but not sure it's worth
>>> to implement at this point because how many such cripple platform
>>> are.
>>>
>>> Just for the recording.
>> Moving pages between low and high zone is not that easy. If I remember
>> correctly you cannot migrate a page from low memory to high zone in
>> generic case, although it should be possible to add exception for
>> anonymous pages. This will definitely improve poor low memory
>> handling in low zone when CMA is enabled.
> Yeb, it's possible for anonymous pages but I just wonder it's worth
> to add more complexitiy to mm and and you are answering it's worth.
> Okay. May I understand your positive feedback means such platform(
> ie, DMA works with only lowmem) are still common?

There are still some platforms, which have limited DMA capabilities. However
the ability to move anonymous a page from lowmem to highmem will be a 
benefit
in any case, as low memory is really much more precious.

It also doesn't look to be really hard to add this exception for anonymous
pages from low memory. It will be just a matter of setting __GFP_HIGHMEM
flag if source page is anonymous page in alloc_migrate_target() function.
Am i right?

Best regards
-- 
Marek Szyprowski, PhD
Samsung R&D Institute Poland

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[PATCH 0/2] ARM: Remove lowmem limit for default CMA region

[Marek Szyprowski]

Hello,

On 2014-08-25 10:18, Minchan Kim wrote:
> On Mon, Aug 25, 2014 at 10:00:32AM +0200, Marek Szyprowski wrote:
>> On 2014-08-25 03:26, Minchan Kim wrote:
>>> On Thu, Aug 21, 2014 at 10:45:12AM +0200, Marek Szyprowski wrote:
>>>> Russell King recently noticed that limiting default CMA region only to
>>>> low memory on ARM architecture causes serious memory management issues
>>>> with machines having a lot of memory (which is mainly available as high
>>>> memory). More information can be found the following thread:
>>>> http://thread.gmane.org/gmane.linux.ports.arm.kernel/348441/
>>>>
>>>> Those two patches removes this limit letting kernel to put default CMA
>>>> region into high memory when this is possible (there is enough high
>>>> memory available and architecture specific DMA limit fits).
>>> Agreed. It should be from the beginning because CMA page is effectly
>>> pinned if it is anonymous page and system has no swap.
>> Nope. Even without swap, anonymous page can be correctly migrated to other
>> location. Migration code doesn't depend on presence of swap.
> I could be possible only if the zone has freeable page(ie, free pages
> + shrinkable page like page cache). IOW, if the zone is full with
> anon pages, it's efffectively pinned.

Why? __alloc_contig_migrate_range() uses alloc_migrate_target() 
function, which
can take free page from any zone matching given flags.

>>>> This should solve strange OOM issues on systems with lots of RAM
>>>> (i.e. >1GiB) and large (>256M) CMA area.
>>> I totally agree with the patchset although I didn't review code
>>> at all.
>>>
>>> Another topic:
>>> It means it should be a problem still if system has CMA in lowmem
>>> by some reason(ex, hardware limit or other purpose of CMA
>>> rather than DMA subsystem)?
>>>
>>> In that case, an idea that just popped in my head is to migrate
>>> pages from cma area to highest zone because they are all
>>> userspace pages which should be in there but not sure it's worth
>>> to implement at this point because how many such cripple platform
>>> are.
>>>
>>> Just for the recording.
>> Moving pages between low and high zone is not that easy. If I remember
>> correctly you cannot migrate a page from low memory to high zone in
>> generic case, although it should be possible to add exception for
>> anonymous pages. This will definitely improve poor low memory
>> handling in low zone when CMA is enabled.
> Yeb, it's possible for anonymous pages but I just wonder it's worth
> to add more complexitiy to mm and and you are answering it's worth.
> Okay. May I understand your positive feedback means such platform(
> ie, DMA works with only lowmem) are still common?

There are still some platforms, which have limited DMA capabilities. However
the ability to move anonymous a page from lowmem to highmem will be a 
benefit
in any case, as low memory is really much more precious.

It also doesn't look to be really hard to add this exception for anonymous
pages from low memory. It will be just a matter of setting __GFP_HIGHMEM
flag if source page is anonymous page in alloc_migrate_target() function.
Am i right?

Best regards
-- 
Marek Szyprowski, PhD
Samsung R&D Institute Poland

Re: [PATCH 0/2] ARM: Remove lowmem limit for default CMA region

[Minchan Kim]

Hey Marek,

On Mon, Aug 25, 2014 at 10:33:50AM +0200, Marek Szyprowski wrote:
> Hello,
> 
> On 2014-08-25 10:18, Minchan Kim wrote:
> >On Mon, Aug 25, 2014 at 10:00:32AM +0200, Marek Szyprowski wrote:
> >>On 2014-08-25 03:26, Minchan Kim wrote:
> >>>On Thu, Aug 21, 2014 at 10:45:12AM +0200, Marek Szyprowski wrote:
> >>>>Russell King recently noticed that limiting default CMA region only to
> >>>>low memory on ARM architecture causes serious memory management issues
> >>>>with machines having a lot of memory (which is mainly available as high
> >>>>memory). More information can be found the following thread:
> >>>>http://thread.gmane.org/gmane.linux.ports.arm.kernel/348441/
> >>>>
> >>>>Those two patches removes this limit letting kernel to put default CMA
> >>>>region into high memory when this is possible (there is enough high
> >>>>memory available and architecture specific DMA limit fits).
> >>>Agreed. It should be from the beginning because CMA page is effectly
> >>>pinned if it is anonymous page and system has no swap.
> >>Nope. Even without swap, anonymous page can be correctly migrated to other
> >>location. Migration code doesn't depend on presence of swap.
> >I could be possible only if the zone has freeable page(ie, free pages
> >+ shrinkable page like page cache). IOW, if the zone is full with
> >anon pages, it's efffectively pinned.
> 
> Why? __alloc_contig_migrate_range() uses alloc_migrate_target()
> function, which
> can take free page from any zone matching given flags.

Strictly speaking, it's not any zones. It allows zones which are
equal or lower with zone of source page.

Pz, look at Russell's case.
The pgd_alloc is trying to allocate order 2 page on normal zone,
which is lowest zone so there is no fallback zones to migrate
anonymous pages in normal zone out and alloc_migrate_target doesn't
allocate target page from higher zones of source page at the moment.
That's why I call it as effectively pinned.

> 
> >>>>This should solve strange OOM issues on systems with lots of RAM
> >>>>(i.e. >1GiB) and large (>256M) CMA area.
> >>>I totally agree with the patchset although I didn't review code
> >>>at all.
> >>>
> >>>Another topic:
> >>>It means it should be a problem still if system has CMA in lowmem
> >>>by some reason(ex, hardware limit or other purpose of CMA
> >>>rather than DMA subsystem)?
> >>>
> >>>In that case, an idea that just popped in my head is to migrate
> >>>pages from cma area to highest zone because they are all
> >>>userspace pages which should be in there but not sure it's worth
> >>>to implement at this point because how many such cripple platform
> >>>are.
> >>>
> >>>Just for the recording.
> >>Moving pages between low and high zone is not that easy. If I remember
> >>correctly you cannot migrate a page from low memory to high zone in
> >>generic case, although it should be possible to add exception for
> >>anonymous pages. This will definitely improve poor low memory
> >>handling in low zone when CMA is enabled.
> >Yeb, it's possible for anonymous pages but I just wonder it's worth
> >to add more complexitiy to mm and and you are answering it's worth.
> >Okay. May I understand your positive feedback means such platform(
> >ie, DMA works with only lowmem) are still common?
> 
> There are still some platforms, which have limited DMA capabilities. However

Thanks for your comment.
I just wanted to know it's worth before I dive into that but it seems
I was driving wrong way. See below.

> the ability to move anonymous a page from lowmem to highmem will be
> a benefit
> in any case, as low memory is really much more precious.

Maybe, but in case of this report, even if we move anonymous pages
into higher zones, the problem(ie, OOM) is still there because
pgd_alloc wanted high order page in no cma area in normal zone.

The feature which move CMA pages into higher zones would help CMA alloc
latency if there are lots of free pages in higher zone but no freeable
page in the zone which source page located in. But it wouldn't help
this OOM problem.

> 
> It also doesn't look to be really hard to add this exception for anonymous
> pages from low memory. It will be just a matter of setting __GFP_HIGHMEM
> flag if source page is anonymous page in alloc_migrate_target() function.
> Am i right?

When I read source code, yes, it might work(but not sure I didn't test it)
for anonymous page but as I read report from Russell in detail,
fundamental problem is that why compaction didn't work although it has
lots of free pages in normal zone.

Normal free:159400kB min:3440kB low:4300kB high:5160kB active_anon:54336kB
inactive_anon:2580kB active_file:56kB inactive_file:204kB unevictable:0kB
isolated(anon):0kB isolated(file):0kB present:778240kB managed:740044kB
mlocked:0kB dirty:0kB writeback:0kB mapped:5336kB shmem:5428kB
slab_reclaimable:14420kB slab_unreclaimable:383976kB kernel_stack:2512kB
pagetables:1088kB unstable:0kB bounce:0kB free_cma:150788kB
writeback_tmp:0kB pages_scanned:0 all_unreclaimable? no

As you can see, there are lots of CMA free pages in normal zone and
there are (54M + 2M) anon pages so compaction should migrate 64M anon pages
into CMA area but it didn't.

I think it's primary reason of the problem and moving CMA area into higher zone
by default can hide the problem and it's not a exact solution of this problem.
(But still I support this patch, default CMA area should be higher zones if
possible)

Thesedays, there are some of reports about compaction fail although
there are lots of free pages. I think the report is just one example.

> 
> Best regards
> -- 
> Marek Szyprowski, PhD
> Samsung R&D Institute Poland
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[PATCH 0/2] ARM: Remove lowmem limit for default CMA region

[Minchan Kim]

Hey Marek,

On Mon, Aug 25, 2014 at 10:33:50AM +0200, Marek Szyprowski wrote:
> Hello,
> 
> On 2014-08-25 10:18, Minchan Kim wrote:
> >On Mon, Aug 25, 2014 at 10:00:32AM +0200, Marek Szyprowski wrote:
> >>On 2014-08-25 03:26, Minchan Kim wrote:
> >>>On Thu, Aug 21, 2014 at 10:45:12AM +0200, Marek Szyprowski wrote:
> >>>>Russell King recently noticed that limiting default CMA region only to
> >>>>low memory on ARM architecture causes serious memory management issues
> >>>>with machines having a lot of memory (which is mainly available as high
> >>>>memory). More information can be found the following thread:
> >>>>http://thread.gmane.org/gmane.linux.ports.arm.kernel/348441/
> >>>>
> >>>>Those two patches removes this limit letting kernel to put default CMA
> >>>>region into high memory when this is possible (there is enough high
> >>>>memory available and architecture specific DMA limit fits).
> >>>Agreed. It should be from the beginning because CMA page is effectly
> >>>pinned if it is anonymous page and system has no swap.
> >>Nope. Even without swap, anonymous page can be correctly migrated to other
> >>location. Migration code doesn't depend on presence of swap.
> >I could be possible only if the zone has freeable page(ie, free pages
> >+ shrinkable page like page cache). IOW, if the zone is full with
> >anon pages, it's efffectively pinned.
> 
> Why? __alloc_contig_migrate_range() uses alloc_migrate_target()
> function, which
> can take free page from any zone matching given flags.

Strictly speaking, it's not any zones. It allows zones which are
equal or lower with zone of source page.

Pz, look at Russell's case.
The pgd_alloc is trying to allocate order 2 page on normal zone,
which is lowest zone so there is no fallback zones to migrate
anonymous pages in normal zone out and alloc_migrate_target doesn't
allocate target page from higher zones of source page at the moment.
That's why I call it as effectively pinned.

> 
> >>>>This should solve strange OOM issues on systems with lots of RAM
> >>>>(i.e. >1GiB) and large (>256M) CMA area.
> >>>I totally agree with the patchset although I didn't review code
> >>>at all.
> >>>
> >>>Another topic:
> >>>It means it should be a problem still if system has CMA in lowmem
> >>>by some reason(ex, hardware limit or other purpose of CMA
> >>>rather than DMA subsystem)?
> >>>
> >>>In that case, an idea that just popped in my head is to migrate
> >>>pages from cma area to highest zone because they are all
> >>>userspace pages which should be in there but not sure it's worth
> >>>to implement at this point because how many such cripple platform
> >>>are.
> >>>
> >>>Just for the recording.
> >>Moving pages between low and high zone is not that easy. If I remember
> >>correctly you cannot migrate a page from low memory to high zone in
> >>generic case, although it should be possible to add exception for
> >>anonymous pages. This will definitely improve poor low memory
> >>handling in low zone when CMA is enabled.
> >Yeb, it's possible for anonymous pages but I just wonder it's worth
> >to add more complexitiy to mm and and you are answering it's worth.
> >Okay. May I understand your positive feedback means such platform(
> >ie, DMA works with only lowmem) are still common?
> 
> There are still some platforms, which have limited DMA capabilities. However

Thanks for your comment.
I just wanted to know it's worth before I dive into that but it seems
I was driving wrong way. See below.

> the ability to move anonymous a page from lowmem to highmem will be
> a benefit
> in any case, as low memory is really much more precious.

Maybe, but in case of this report, even if we move anonymous pages
into higher zones, the problem(ie, OOM) is still there because
pgd_alloc wanted high order page in no cma area in normal zone.

The feature which move CMA pages into higher zones would help CMA alloc
latency if there are lots of free pages in higher zone but no freeable
page in the zone which source page located in. But it wouldn't help
this OOM problem.

> 
> It also doesn't look to be really hard to add this exception for anonymous
> pages from low memory. It will be just a matter of setting __GFP_HIGHMEM
> flag if source page is anonymous page in alloc_migrate_target() function.
> Am i right?

When I read source code, yes, it might work(but not sure I didn't test it)
for anonymous page but as I read report from Russell in detail,
fundamental problem is that why compaction didn't work although it has
lots of free pages in normal zone.

Normal free:159400kB min:3440kB low:4300kB high:5160kB active_anon:54336kB
inactive_anon:2580kB active_file:56kB inactive_file:204kB unevictable:0kB
isolated(anon):0kB isolated(file):0kB present:778240kB managed:740044kB
mlocked:0kB dirty:0kB writeback:0kB mapped:5336kB shmem:5428kB
slab_reclaimable:14420kB slab_unreclaimable:383976kB kernel_stack:2512kB
pagetables:1088kB unstable:0kB bounce:0kB free_cma:150788kB
writeback_tmp:0kB pages_scanned:0 all_unreclaimable? no

As you can see, there are lots of CMA free pages in normal zone and
there are (54M + 2M) anon pages so compaction should migrate 64M anon pages
into CMA area but it didn't.

I think it's primary reason of the problem and moving CMA area into higher zone
by default can hide the problem and it's not a exact solution of this problem.
(But still I support this patch, default CMA area should be higher zones if
possible)

Thesedays, there are some of reports about compaction fail although
there are lots of free pages. I think the report is just one example.

> 
> Best regards
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> Samsung R&D Institute Poland
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Re: [PATCH 0/2] ARM: Remove lowmem limit for default CMA region

[Marek Szyprowski]

Hello,

On 2014-08-26 04:43, Minchan Kim wrote:
> On Mon, Aug 25, 2014 at 10:33:50AM +0200, Marek Szyprowski wrote:
>> On 2014-08-25 10:18, Minchan Kim wrote:
>>> On Mon, Aug 25, 2014 at 10:00:32AM +0200, Marek Szyprowski wrote:
>>>> On 2014-08-25 03:26, Minchan Kim wrote:
>>>>> On Thu, Aug 21, 2014 at 10:45:12AM +0200, Marek Szyprowski wrote:
>>>>>> Russell King recently noticed that limiting default CMA region only to
>>>>>> low memory on ARM architecture causes serious memory management issues
>>>>>> with machines having a lot of memory (which is mainly available as high
>>>>>> memory). More information can be found the following thread:
>>>>>> http://thread.gmane.org/gmane.linux.ports.arm.kernel/348441/
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Those two patches removes this limit letting kernel to put default CMA
>>>>>> region into high memory when this is possible (there is enough high
>>>>>> memory available and architecture specific DMA limit fits).
>>>>> Agreed. It should be from the beginning because CMA page is effectly
>>>>> pinned if it is anonymous page and system has no swap.
>>>> Nope. Even without swap, anonymous page can be correctly migrated to other
>>>> location. Migration code doesn't depend on presence of swap.
>>> I could be possible only if the zone has freeable page(ie, free pages
>>> + shrinkable page like page cache). IOW, if the zone is full with
>>> anon pages, it's efffectively pinned.
>> Why? __alloc_contig_migrate_range() uses alloc_migrate_target()
>> function, which
>> can take free page from any zone matching given flags.
> Strictly speaking, it's not any zones. It allows zones which are
> equal or lower with zone of source page.
>
> Pz, look at Russell's case.
> The pgd_alloc is trying to allocate order 2 page on normal zone,
> which is lowest zone so there is no fallback zones to migrate
> anonymous pages in normal zone out and alloc_migrate_target doesn't
> allocate target page from higher zones of source page at the moment.
> That's why I call it as effectively pinned.

In Russell's case the issue is related to compaction code. It should still
be able to compact low zone and get some free pages. It is not a case of
alloc_migrate_target. I mentioned this function because I wanted to show
that it is possible to move pages out of that zone in case of doing CMA
alloc and having no swap.

>>>>>> This should solve strange OOM issues on systems with lots of RAM
>>>>>> (i.e. >1GiB) and large (>256M) CMA area.
>>>>> I totally agree with the patchset although I didn't review code
>>>>> at all.
>>>>>
>>>>> Another topic:
>>>>> It means it should be a problem still if system has CMA in lowmem
>>>>> by some reason(ex, hardware limit or other purpose of CMA
>>>>> rather than DMA subsystem)?
>>>>>
>>>>> In that case, an idea that just popped in my head is to migrate
>>>>> pages from cma area to highest zone because they are all
>>>>> userspace pages which should be in there but not sure it's worth
>>>>> to implement at this point because how many such cripple platform
>>>>> are.
>>>>>
>>>>> Just for the recording.
>>>> Moving pages between low and high zone is not that easy. If I remember
>>>> correctly you cannot migrate a page from low memory to high zone in
>>>> generic case, although it should be possible to add exception for
>>>> anonymous pages. This will definitely improve poor low memory
>>>> handling in low zone when CMA is enabled.
>>> Yeb, it's possible for anonymous pages but I just wonder it's worth
>>> to add more complexitiy to mm and and you are answering it's worth.
>>> Okay. May I understand your positive feedback means such platform(
>>> ie, DMA works with only lowmem) are still common?
>> There are still some platforms, which have limited DMA capabilities. However
> Thanks for your comment.
> I just wanted to know it's worth before I dive into that but it seems
> I was driving wrong way. See below.
>
>> the ability to move anonymous a page from lowmem to highmem will be
>> a benefit
>> in any case, as low memory is really much more precious.
> Maybe, but in case of this report, even if we move anonymous pages
> into higher zones, the problem(ie, OOM) is still there because
> pgd_alloc wanted high order page in no cma area in normal zone.
>
> The feature which move CMA pages into higher zones would help CMA alloc
> latency if there are lots of free pages in higher zone but no freeable
> page in the zone which source page located in. But it wouldn't help
> this OOM problem.

Right. The mentioned OOM problem shows that compaction fails in some cases
for unknown reasons. The question here is weather compaction_alloc()
function is able to get free CMA pages or not. Right now I'm not sure if
it will take pages from the right list or not. This case definitely should
be investigated.

>> It also doesn't look to be really hard to add this exception for anonymous
>> pages from low memory. It will be just a matter of setting __GFP_HIGHMEM
>> flag if source page is anonymous page in alloc_migrate_target() function.
>> Am i right?
> When I read source code, yes, it might work(but not sure I didn't test it)
> for anonymous page but as I read report from Russell in detail,
> fundamental problem is that why compaction didn't work although it has
> lots of free pages in normal zone.
>
> Normal free:159400kB min:3440kB low:4300kB high:5160kB active_anon:54336kB
> inactive_anon:2580kB active_file:56kB inactive_file:204kB unevictable:0kB
> isolated(anon):0kB isolated(file):0kB present:778240kB managed:740044kB
> mlocked:0kB dirty:0kB writeback:0kB mapped:5336kB shmem:5428kB
> slab_reclaimable:14420kB slab_unreclaimable:383976kB kernel_stack:2512kB
> pagetables:1088kB unstable:0kB bounce:0kB free_cma:150788kB
> writeback_tmp:0kB pages_scanned:0 all_unreclaimable? no
>
> As you can see, there are lots of CMA free pages in normal zone and
> there are (54M + 2M) anon pages so compaction should migrate 64M anon pages
> into CMA area but it didn't.
>
> I think it's primary reason of the problem and moving CMA area into higher zone
> by default can hide the problem and it's not a exact solution of this problem.
> (But still I support this patch, default CMA area should be higher zones if
> possible)
>
> Thesedays, there are some of reports about compaction fail although
> there are lots of free pages. I think the report is just one example.

Ok. Thanks for supporting the change the zone for default CMA region.
May I add your Acked-by?

The issue with OOM caused by failed compaction case should be definitely
investigated, I will check if it can be easily reproduced or not.

Best regards
-- 
Marek Szyprowski, PhD
Samsung R&D Institute Poland

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[PATCH 0/2] ARM: Remove lowmem limit for default CMA region

[Marek Szyprowski]

Hello,

On 2014-08-26 04:43, Minchan Kim wrote:
> On Mon, Aug 25, 2014 at 10:33:50AM +0200, Marek Szyprowski wrote:
>> On 2014-08-25 10:18, Minchan Kim wrote:
>>> On Mon, Aug 25, 2014 at 10:00:32AM +0200, Marek Szyprowski wrote:
>>>> On 2014-08-25 03:26, Minchan Kim wrote:
>>>>> On Thu, Aug 21, 2014 at 10:45:12AM +0200, Marek Szyprowski wrote:
>>>>>> Russell King recently noticed that limiting default CMA region only to
>>>>>> low memory on ARM architecture causes serious memory management issues
>>>>>> with machines having a lot of memory (which is mainly available as high
>>>>>> memory). More information can be found the following thread:
>>>>>> http://thread.gmane.org/gmane.linux.ports.arm.kernel/348441/
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Those two patches removes this limit letting kernel to put default CMA
>>>>>> region into high memory when this is possible (there is enough high
>>>>>> memory available and architecture specific DMA limit fits).
>>>>> Agreed. It should be from the beginning because CMA page is effectly
>>>>> pinned if it is anonymous page and system has no swap.
>>>> Nope. Even without swap, anonymous page can be correctly migrated to other
>>>> location. Migration code doesn't depend on presence of swap.
>>> I could be possible only if the zone has freeable page(ie, free pages
>>> + shrinkable page like page cache). IOW, if the zone is full with
>>> anon pages, it's efffectively pinned.
>> Why? __alloc_contig_migrate_range() uses alloc_migrate_target()
>> function, which
>> can take free page from any zone matching given flags.
> Strictly speaking, it's not any zones. It allows zones which are
> equal or lower with zone of source page.
>
> Pz, look at Russell's case.
> The pgd_alloc is trying to allocate order 2 page on normal zone,
> which is lowest zone so there is no fallback zones to migrate
> anonymous pages in normal zone out and alloc_migrate_target doesn't
> allocate target page from higher zones of source page at the moment.
> That's why I call it as effectively pinned.

In Russell's case the issue is related to compaction code. It should still
be able to compact low zone and get some free pages. It is not a case of
alloc_migrate_target. I mentioned this function because I wanted to show
that it is possible to move pages out of that zone in case of doing CMA
alloc and having no swap.

>>>>>> This should solve strange OOM issues on systems with lots of RAM
>>>>>> (i.e. >1GiB) and large (>256M) CMA area.
>>>>> I totally agree with the patchset although I didn't review code
>>>>> at all.
>>>>>
>>>>> Another topic:
>>>>> It means it should be a problem still if system has CMA in lowmem
>>>>> by some reason(ex, hardware limit or other purpose of CMA
>>>>> rather than DMA subsystem)?
>>>>>
>>>>> In that case, an idea that just popped in my head is to migrate
>>>>> pages from cma area to highest zone because they are all
>>>>> userspace pages which should be in there but not sure it's worth
>>>>> to implement at this point because how many such cripple platform
>>>>> are.
>>>>>
>>>>> Just for the recording.
>>>> Moving pages between low and high zone is not that easy. If I remember
>>>> correctly you cannot migrate a page from low memory to high zone in
>>>> generic case, although it should be possible to add exception for
>>>> anonymous pages. This will definitely improve poor low memory
>>>> handling in low zone when CMA is enabled.
>>> Yeb, it's possible for anonymous pages but I just wonder it's worth
>>> to add more complexitiy to mm and and you are answering it's worth.
>>> Okay. May I understand your positive feedback means such platform(
>>> ie, DMA works with only lowmem) are still common?
>> There are still some platforms, which have limited DMA capabilities. However
> Thanks for your comment.
> I just wanted to know it's worth before I dive into that but it seems
> I was driving wrong way. See below.
>
>> the ability to move anonymous a page from lowmem to highmem will be
>> a benefit
>> in any case, as low memory is really much more precious.
> Maybe, but in case of this report, even if we move anonymous pages
> into higher zones, the problem(ie, OOM) is still there because
> pgd_alloc wanted high order page in no cma area in normal zone.
>
> The feature which move CMA pages into higher zones would help CMA alloc
> latency if there are lots of free pages in higher zone but no freeable
> page in the zone which source page located in. But it wouldn't help
> this OOM problem.

Right. The mentioned OOM problem shows that compaction fails in some cases
for unknown reasons. The question here is weather compaction_alloc()
function is able to get free CMA pages or not. Right now I'm not sure if
it will take pages from the right list or not. This case definitely should
be investigated.

>> It also doesn't look to be really hard to add this exception for anonymous
>> pages from low memory. It will be just a matter of setting __GFP_HIGHMEM
>> flag if source page is anonymous page in alloc_migrate_target() function.
>> Am i right?
> When I read source code, yes, it might work(but not sure I didn't test it)
> for anonymous page but as I read report from Russell in detail,
> fundamental problem is that why compaction didn't work although it has
> lots of free pages in normal zone.
>
> Normal free:159400kB min:3440kB low:4300kB high:5160kB active_anon:54336kB
> inactive_anon:2580kB active_file:56kB inactive_file:204kB unevictable:0kB
> isolated(anon):0kB isolated(file):0kB present:778240kB managed:740044kB
> mlocked:0kB dirty:0kB writeback:0kB mapped:5336kB shmem:5428kB
> slab_reclaimable:14420kB slab_unreclaimable:383976kB kernel_stack:2512kB
> pagetables:1088kB unstable:0kB bounce:0kB free_cma:150788kB
> writeback_tmp:0kB pages_scanned:0 all_unreclaimable? no
>
> As you can see, there are lots of CMA free pages in normal zone and
> there are (54M + 2M) anon pages so compaction should migrate 64M anon pages
> into CMA area but it didn't.
>
> I think it's primary reason of the problem and moving CMA area into higher zone
> by default can hide the problem and it's not a exact solution of this problem.
> (But still I support this patch, default CMA area should be higher zones if
> possible)
>
> Thesedays, there are some of reports about compaction fail although
> there are lots of free pages. I think the report is just one example.

Ok. Thanks for supporting the change the zone for default CMA region.
May I add your Acked-by?

The issue with OOM caused by failed compaction case should be definitely
investigated, I will check if it can be easily reproduced or not.

Best regards
-- 
Marek Szyprowski, PhD
Samsung R&D Institute Poland

Re: [PATCH 0/2] ARM: Remove lowmem limit for default CMA region

[Andrew Morton]

On Thu, 21 Aug 2014 10:45:12 +0200 Marek Szyprowski <m.szyprowski@samsung.com> wrote:

> Russell King recently noticed that limiting default CMA region only to
> low memory on ARM architecture causes serious memory management issues
> with machines having a lot of memory (which is mainly available as high
> memory). More information can be found the following thread:
> http://thread.gmane.org/gmane.linux.ports.arm.kernel/348441/
> 
> Those two patches removes this limit letting kernel to put default CMA
> region into high memory when this is possible (there is enough high
> memory available and architecture specific DMA limit fits).
> 
> This should solve strange OOM issues on systems with lots of RAM
> (i.e. >1GiB) and large (>256M) CMA area.

What do we think is the priority on these fixes?  3.17 or 3.18?

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[PATCH 0/2] ARM: Remove lowmem limit for default CMA region

[Andrew Morton]

On Thu, 21 Aug 2014 10:45:12 +0200 Marek Szyprowski <m.szyprowski@samsung.com> wrote:

> Russell King recently noticed that limiting default CMA region only to
> low memory on ARM architecture causes serious memory management issues
> with machines having a lot of memory (which is mainly available as high
> memory). More information can be found the following thread:
> http://thread.gmane.org/gmane.linux.ports.arm.kernel/348441/
> 
> Those two patches removes this limit letting kernel to put default CMA
> region into high memory when this is possible (there is enough high
> memory available and architecture specific DMA limit fits).
> 
> This should solve strange OOM issues on systems with lots of RAM
> (i.e. >1GiB) and large (>256M) CMA area.

What do we think is the priority on these fixes?  3.17 or 3.18?

Re: [PATCH 0/2] ARM: Remove lowmem limit for default CMA region

[Minchan Kim]

Hey Marek,

On Tue, Aug 26, 2014 at 02:34:24PM +0200, Marek Szyprowski wrote:
> Hello,
> 
> On 2014-08-26 04:43, Minchan Kim wrote:
> >On Mon, Aug 25, 2014 at 10:33:50AM +0200, Marek Szyprowski wrote:
> >>On 2014-08-25 10:18, Minchan Kim wrote:
> >>>On Mon, Aug 25, 2014 at 10:00:32AM +0200, Marek Szyprowski wrote:
> >>>>On 2014-08-25 03:26, Minchan Kim wrote:
> >>>>>On Thu, Aug 21, 2014 at 10:45:12AM +0200, Marek Szyprowski wrote:
> >>>>>>Russell King recently noticed that limiting default CMA region only to
> >>>>>>low memory on ARM architecture causes serious memory management issues
> >>>>>>with machines having a lot of memory (which is mainly available as high
> >>>>>>memory). More information can be found the following thread:
> >>>>>>http://thread.gmane.org/gmane.linux.ports.arm.kernel/348441/
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>>Those two patches removes this limit letting kernel to put default CMA
> >>>>>>region into high memory when this is possible (there is enough high
> >>>>>>memory available and architecture specific DMA limit fits).
> >>>>>Agreed. It should be from the beginning because CMA page is effectly
> >>>>>pinned if it is anonymous page and system has no swap.
> >>>>Nope. Even without swap, anonymous page can be correctly migrated to other
> >>>>location. Migration code doesn't depend on presence of swap.
> >>>I could be possible only if the zone has freeable page(ie, free pages
> >>>+ shrinkable page like page cache). IOW, if the zone is full with
> >>>anon pages, it's efffectively pinned.
> >>Why? __alloc_contig_migrate_range() uses alloc_migrate_target()
> >>function, which
> >>can take free page from any zone matching given flags.
> >Strictly speaking, it's not any zones. It allows zones which are
> >equal or lower with zone of source page.
> >
> >Pz, look at Russell's case.
> >The pgd_alloc is trying to allocate order 2 page on normal zone,
> >which is lowest zone so there is no fallback zones to migrate
> >anonymous pages in normal zone out and alloc_migrate_target doesn't
> >allocate target page from higher zones of source page at the moment.
> >That's why I call it as effectively pinned.
> 
> In Russell's case the issue is related to compaction code. It should still
> be able to compact low zone and get some free pages. It is not a case of
> alloc_migrate_target. I mentioned this function because I wanted to show
> that it is possible to move pages out of that zone in case of doing CMA
> alloc and having no swap.
> 
> >>>>>>This should solve strange OOM issues on systems with lots of RAM
> >>>>>>(i.e. >1GiB) and large (>256M) CMA area.
> >>>>>I totally agree with the patchset although I didn't review code
> >>>>>at all.
> >>>>>
> >>>>>Another topic:
> >>>>>It means it should be a problem still if system has CMA in lowmem
> >>>>>by some reason(ex, hardware limit or other purpose of CMA
> >>>>>rather than DMA subsystem)?
> >>>>>
> >>>>>In that case, an idea that just popped in my head is to migrate
> >>>>>pages from cma area to highest zone because they are all
> >>>>>userspace pages which should be in there but not sure it's worth
> >>>>>to implement at this point because how many such cripple platform
> >>>>>are.
> >>>>>
> >>>>>Just for the recording.
> >>>>Moving pages between low and high zone is not that easy. If I remember
> >>>>correctly you cannot migrate a page from low memory to high zone in
> >>>>generic case, although it should be possible to add exception for
> >>>>anonymous pages. This will definitely improve poor low memory
> >>>>handling in low zone when CMA is enabled.
> >>>Yeb, it's possible for anonymous pages but I just wonder it's worth
> >>>to add more complexitiy to mm and and you are answering it's worth.
> >>>Okay. May I understand your positive feedback means such platform(
> >>>ie, DMA works with only lowmem) are still common?
> >>There are still some platforms, which have limited DMA capabilities. However
> >Thanks for your comment.
> >I just wanted to know it's worth before I dive into that but it seems
> >I was driving wrong way. See below.
> >
> >>the ability to move anonymous a page from lowmem to highmem will be
> >>a benefit
> >>in any case, as low memory is really much more precious.
> >Maybe, but in case of this report, even if we move anonymous pages
> >into higher zones, the problem(ie, OOM) is still there because
> >pgd_alloc wanted high order page in no cma area in normal zone.
> >
> >The feature which move CMA pages into higher zones would help CMA alloc
> >latency if there are lots of free pages in higher zone but no freeable
> >page in the zone which source page located in. But it wouldn't help
> >this OOM problem.
> 
> Right. The mentioned OOM problem shows that compaction fails in some cases
> for unknown reasons. The question here is weather compaction_alloc()
> function is able to get free CMA pages or not. Right now I'm not sure if
> it will take pages from the right list or not. This case definitely should
> be investigated.

I think it can because suitable_migrate_target and migrate_async_suitable
consider CMA. That's why I think the culprit is cmpaction deferring logic
and sent a patch to detect it.
http://www.spinics.net/lists/kernel/msg1812538.html

I should have Cced you. Sorry for that!

> 
> >>It also doesn't look to be really hard to add this exception for anonymous
> >>pages from low memory. It will be just a matter of setting __GFP_HIGHMEM
> >>flag if source page is anonymous page in alloc_migrate_target() function.
> >>Am i right?
> >When I read source code, yes, it might work(but not sure I didn't test it)
> >for anonymous page but as I read report from Russell in detail,
> >fundamental problem is that why compaction didn't work although it has
> >lots of free pages in normal zone.
> >
> >Normal free:159400kB min:3440kB low:4300kB high:5160kB active_anon:54336kB
> >inactive_anon:2580kB active_file:56kB inactive_file:204kB unevictable:0kB
> >isolated(anon):0kB isolated(file):0kB present:778240kB managed:740044kB
> >mlocked:0kB dirty:0kB writeback:0kB mapped:5336kB shmem:5428kB
> >slab_reclaimable:14420kB slab_unreclaimable:383976kB kernel_stack:2512kB
> >pagetables:1088kB unstable:0kB bounce:0kB free_cma:150788kB
> >writeback_tmp:0kB pages_scanned:0 all_unreclaimable? no
> >
> >As you can see, there are lots of CMA free pages in normal zone and
> >there are (54M + 2M) anon pages so compaction should migrate 64M anon pages
> >into CMA area but it didn't.
> >
> >I think it's primary reason of the problem and moving CMA area into higher zone
> >by default can hide the problem and it's not a exact solution of this problem.
> >(But still I support this patch, default CMA area should be higher zones if
> >possible)
> >
> >Thesedays, there are some of reports about compaction fail although
> >there are lots of free pages. I think the report is just one example.
> 
> Ok. Thanks for supporting the change the zone for default CMA region.
> May I add your Acked-by?

I tend to be quiet without reviewd or acked sign for arch specific stuff
because I know there are other people to understand that part than me. :)
Anyway, Andrew alrady merged so you don't need my sign any more.

One thing I'd like to change is description if Andrew accept or you respin.
Description should say Russell's problem is compaction problem, not CMA
but moving default CMA into higher zone will mitigate the problem but it's
better than now at least.

> 
> The issue with OOM caused by failed compaction case should be definitely
> investigated, I will check if it can be easily reproduced or not.

Hope my patch I mentioned above helps you.
Thanks.

> 
> Best regards
> -- 
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> Samsung R&D Institute Poland
> 
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[PATCH 0/2] ARM: Remove lowmem limit for default CMA region

[Minchan Kim]

Hey Marek,

On Tue, Aug 26, 2014 at 02:34:24PM +0200, Marek Szyprowski wrote:
> Hello,
> 
> On 2014-08-26 04:43, Minchan Kim wrote:
> >On Mon, Aug 25, 2014 at 10:33:50AM +0200, Marek Szyprowski wrote:
> >>On 2014-08-25 10:18, Minchan Kim wrote:
> >>>On Mon, Aug 25, 2014 at 10:00:32AM +0200, Marek Szyprowski wrote:
> >>>>On 2014-08-25 03:26, Minchan Kim wrote:
> >>>>>On Thu, Aug 21, 2014 at 10:45:12AM +0200, Marek Szyprowski wrote:
> >>>>>>Russell King recently noticed that limiting default CMA region only to
> >>>>>>low memory on ARM architecture causes serious memory management issues
> >>>>>>with machines having a lot of memory (which is mainly available as high
> >>>>>>memory). More information can be found the following thread:
> >>>>>>http://thread.gmane.org/gmane.linux.ports.arm.kernel/348441/
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>>Those two patches removes this limit letting kernel to put default CMA
> >>>>>>region into high memory when this is possible (there is enough high
> >>>>>>memory available and architecture specific DMA limit fits).
> >>>>>Agreed. It should be from the beginning because CMA page is effectly
> >>>>>pinned if it is anonymous page and system has no swap.
> >>>>Nope. Even without swap, anonymous page can be correctly migrated to other
> >>>>location. Migration code doesn't depend on presence of swap.
> >>>I could be possible only if the zone has freeable page(ie, free pages
> >>>+ shrinkable page like page cache). IOW, if the zone is full with
> >>>anon pages, it's efffectively pinned.
> >>Why? __alloc_contig_migrate_range() uses alloc_migrate_target()
> >>function, which
> >>can take free page from any zone matching given flags.
> >Strictly speaking, it's not any zones. It allows zones which are
> >equal or lower with zone of source page.
> >
> >Pz, look at Russell's case.
> >The pgd_alloc is trying to allocate order 2 page on normal zone,
> >which is lowest zone so there is no fallback zones to migrate
> >anonymous pages in normal zone out and alloc_migrate_target doesn't
> >allocate target page from higher zones of source page at the moment.
> >That's why I call it as effectively pinned.
> 
> In Russell's case the issue is related to compaction code. It should still
> be able to compact low zone and get some free pages. It is not a case of
> alloc_migrate_target. I mentioned this function because I wanted to show
> that it is possible to move pages out of that zone in case of doing CMA
> alloc and having no swap.
> 
> >>>>>>This should solve strange OOM issues on systems with lots of RAM
> >>>>>>(i.e. >1GiB) and large (>256M) CMA area.
> >>>>>I totally agree with the patchset although I didn't review code
> >>>>>at all.
> >>>>>
> >>>>>Another topic:
> >>>>>It means it should be a problem still if system has CMA in lowmem
> >>>>>by some reason(ex, hardware limit or other purpose of CMA
> >>>>>rather than DMA subsystem)?
> >>>>>
> >>>>>In that case, an idea that just popped in my head is to migrate
> >>>>>pages from cma area to highest zone because they are all
> >>>>>userspace pages which should be in there but not sure it's worth
> >>>>>to implement at this point because how many such cripple platform
> >>>>>are.
> >>>>>
> >>>>>Just for the recording.
> >>>>Moving pages between low and high zone is not that easy. If I remember
> >>>>correctly you cannot migrate a page from low memory to high zone in
> >>>>generic case, although it should be possible to add exception for
> >>>>anonymous pages. This will definitely improve poor low memory
> >>>>handling in low zone when CMA is enabled.
> >>>Yeb, it's possible for anonymous pages but I just wonder it's worth
> >>>to add more complexitiy to mm and and you are answering it's worth.
> >>>Okay. May I understand your positive feedback means such platform(
> >>>ie, DMA works with only lowmem) are still common?
> >>There are still some platforms, which have limited DMA capabilities. However
> >Thanks for your comment.
> >I just wanted to know it's worth before I dive into that but it seems
> >I was driving wrong way. See below.
> >
> >>the ability to move anonymous a page from lowmem to highmem will be
> >>a benefit
> >>in any case, as low memory is really much more precious.
> >Maybe, but in case of this report, even if we move anonymous pages
> >into higher zones, the problem(ie, OOM) is still there because
> >pgd_alloc wanted high order page in no cma area in normal zone.
> >
> >The feature which move CMA pages into higher zones would help CMA alloc
> >latency if there are lots of free pages in higher zone but no freeable
> >page in the zone which source page located in. But it wouldn't help
> >this OOM problem.
> 
> Right. The mentioned OOM problem shows that compaction fails in some cases
> for unknown reasons. The question here is weather compaction_alloc()
> function is able to get free CMA pages or not. Right now I'm not sure if
> it will take pages from the right list or not. This case definitely should
> be investigated.

I think it can because suitable_migrate_target and migrate_async_suitable
consider CMA. That's why I think the culprit is cmpaction deferring logic
and sent a patch to detect it.
http://www.spinics.net/lists/kernel/msg1812538.html

I should have Cced you. Sorry for that!

> 
> >>It also doesn't look to be really hard to add this exception for anonymous
> >>pages from low memory. It will be just a matter of setting __GFP_HIGHMEM
> >>flag if source page is anonymous page in alloc_migrate_target() function.
> >>Am i right?
> >When I read source code, yes, it might work(but not sure I didn't test it)
> >for anonymous page but as I read report from Russell in detail,
> >fundamental problem is that why compaction didn't work although it has
> >lots of free pages in normal zone.
> >
> >Normal free:159400kB min:3440kB low:4300kB high:5160kB active_anon:54336kB
> >inactive_anon:2580kB active_file:56kB inactive_file:204kB unevictable:0kB
> >isolated(anon):0kB isolated(file):0kB present:778240kB managed:740044kB
> >mlocked:0kB dirty:0kB writeback:0kB mapped:5336kB shmem:5428kB
> >slab_reclaimable:14420kB slab_unreclaimable:383976kB kernel_stack:2512kB
> >pagetables:1088kB unstable:0kB bounce:0kB free_cma:150788kB
> >writeback_tmp:0kB pages_scanned:0 all_unreclaimable? no
> >
> >As you can see, there are lots of CMA free pages in normal zone and
> >there are (54M + 2M) anon pages so compaction should migrate 64M anon pages
> >into CMA area but it didn't.
> >
> >I think it's primary reason of the problem and moving CMA area into higher zone
> >by default can hide the problem and it's not a exact solution of this problem.
> >(But still I support this patch, default CMA area should be higher zones if
> >possible)
> >
> >Thesedays, there are some of reports about compaction fail although
> >there are lots of free pages. I think the report is just one example.
> 
> Ok. Thanks for supporting the change the zone for default CMA region.
> May I add your Acked-by?

I tend to be quiet without reviewd or acked sign for arch specific stuff
because I know there are other people to understand that part than me. :)
Anyway, Andrew alrady merged so you don't need my sign any more.

One thing I'd like to change is description if Andrew accept or you respin.
Description should say Russell's problem is compaction problem, not CMA
but moving default CMA into higher zone will mitigate the problem but it's
better than now at least.

> 
> The issue with OOM caused by failed compaction case should be definitely
> investigated, I will check if it can be easily reproduced or not.

Hope my patch I mentioned above helps you.
Thanks.

> 
> Best regards
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Re: [PATCH 0/2] ARM: Remove lowmem limit for default CMA region

[Joonsoo Kim]

On Wed, Aug 27, 2014 at 09:36:11AM +0900, Minchan Kim wrote:
> Hey Marek,
> 
> On Tue, Aug 26, 2014 at 02:34:24PM +0200, Marek Szyprowski wrote:
> > Hello,
> > 
> > On 2014-08-26 04:43, Minchan Kim wrote:
> > >On Mon, Aug 25, 2014 at 10:33:50AM +0200, Marek Szyprowski wrote:
> > >>On 2014-08-25 10:18, Minchan Kim wrote:
> > >>>On Mon, Aug 25, 2014 at 10:00:32AM +0200, Marek Szyprowski wrote:
> > >>>>On 2014-08-25 03:26, Minchan Kim wrote:
> > >>>>>On Thu, Aug 21, 2014 at 10:45:12AM +0200, Marek Szyprowski wrote:
> > >>>>>>Russell King recently noticed that limiting default CMA region only to
> > >>>>>>low memory on ARM architecture causes serious memory management issues
> > >>>>>>with machines having a lot of memory (which is mainly available as high
> > >>>>>>memory). More information can be found the following thread:
> > >>>>>>http://thread.gmane.org/gmane.linux.ports.arm.kernel/348441/
> > >>>>>>
> > >>>>>>Those two patches removes this limit letting kernel to put default CMA
> > >>>>>>region into high memory when this is possible (there is enough high
> > >>>>>>memory available and architecture specific DMA limit fits).
> > >>>>>Agreed. It should be from the beginning because CMA page is effectly
> > >>>>>pinned if it is anonymous page and system has no swap.
> > >>>>Nope. Even without swap, anonymous page can be correctly migrated to other
> > >>>>location. Migration code doesn't depend on presence of swap.
> > >>>I could be possible only if the zone has freeable page(ie, free pages
> > >>>+ shrinkable page like page cache). IOW, if the zone is full with
> > >>>anon pages, it's efffectively pinned.
> > >>Why? __alloc_contig_migrate_range() uses alloc_migrate_target()
> > >>function, which
> > >>can take free page from any zone matching given flags.
> > >Strictly speaking, it's not any zones. It allows zones which are
> > >equal or lower with zone of source page.
> > >
> > >Pz, look at Russell's case.
> > >The pgd_alloc is trying to allocate order 2 page on normal zone,
> > >which is lowest zone so there is no fallback zones to migrate
> > >anonymous pages in normal zone out and alloc_migrate_target doesn't
> > >allocate target page from higher zones of source page at the moment.
> > >That's why I call it as effectively pinned.
> > 
> > In Russell's case the issue is related to compaction code. It should still
> > be able to compact low zone and get some free pages. It is not a case of
> > alloc_migrate_target. I mentioned this function because I wanted to show
> > that it is possible to move pages out of that zone in case of doing CMA
> > alloc and having no swap.
> > 
> > >>>>>>This should solve strange OOM issues on systems with lots of RAM
> > >>>>>>(i.e. >1GiB) and large (>256M) CMA area.
> > >>>>>I totally agree with the patchset although I didn't review code
> > >>>>>at all.
> > >>>>>
> > >>>>>Another topic:
> > >>>>>It means it should be a problem still if system has CMA in lowmem
> > >>>>>by some reason(ex, hardware limit or other purpose of CMA
> > >>>>>rather than DMA subsystem)?
> > >>>>>
> > >>>>>In that case, an idea that just popped in my head is to migrate
> > >>>>>pages from cma area to highest zone because they are all
> > >>>>>userspace pages which should be in there but not sure it's worth
> > >>>>>to implement at this point because how many such cripple platform
> > >>>>>are.
> > >>>>>
> > >>>>>Just for the recording.
> > >>>>Moving pages between low and high zone is not that easy. If I remember
> > >>>>correctly you cannot migrate a page from low memory to high zone in
> > >>>>generic case, although it should be possible to add exception for
> > >>>>anonymous pages. This will definitely improve poor low memory
> > >>>>handling in low zone when CMA is enabled.
> > >>>Yeb, it's possible for anonymous pages but I just wonder it's worth
> > >>>to add more complexitiy to mm and and you are answering it's worth.
> > >>>Okay. May I understand your positive feedback means such platform(
> > >>>ie, DMA works with only lowmem) are still common?
> > >>There are still some platforms, which have limited DMA capabilities. However
> > >Thanks for your comment.
> > >I just wanted to know it's worth before I dive into that but it seems
> > >I was driving wrong way. See below.
> > >
> > >>the ability to move anonymous a page from lowmem to highmem will be
> > >>a benefit
> > >>in any case, as low memory is really much more precious.
> > >Maybe, but in case of this report, even if we move anonymous pages
> > >into higher zones, the problem(ie, OOM) is still there because
> > >pgd_alloc wanted high order page in no cma area in normal zone.
> > >
> > >The feature which move CMA pages into higher zones would help CMA alloc
> > >latency if there are lots of free pages in higher zone but no freeable
> > >page in the zone which source page located in. But it wouldn't help
> > >this OOM problem.
> > 
> > Right. The mentioned OOM problem shows that compaction fails in some cases
> > for unknown reasons. The question here is weather compaction_alloc()
> > function is able to get free CMA pages or not. Right now I'm not sure if
> > it will take pages from the right list or not. This case definitely should
> > be investigated.

Hello, Minchan and Marek.

IIUC, compaction_alloc() can get free CMA pages.

> 
> I think it can because suitable_migrate_target and migrate_async_suitable
> consider CMA. That's why I think the culprit is cmpaction deferring logic
> and sent a patch to detect it.
> http://www.spinics.net/lists/kernel/msg1812538.html

I guess that this problem is related to CMA.
When direct_compaction begins, compaction logic check whether this
zone is suitable or not by compaction_suitable(). In this function,
we check fragmentation_index() and it didn't consider whether free_blocks
is on CMA or not for free_blocks_suitable. So, in Russell's case, it
would always return -1000 and then return COMPACT_PARTIAL. After all,
compaction wouldn't actually happen and allocation request would fail,
too.

I should note that there is one more flaw on zone_watermark_ok().
zone_watermark_ok() doesn't handle > 0 allocation correctly if there
is free CMA memory so we can easily pass this watermakr check in
this case.

I have a plan to fix it, but, it will takes some time. :)

Thanks.

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[PATCH 0/2] ARM: Remove lowmem limit for default CMA region

[Joonsoo Kim]

On Wed, Aug 27, 2014 at 09:36:11AM +0900, Minchan Kim wrote:
> Hey Marek,
> 
> On Tue, Aug 26, 2014 at 02:34:24PM +0200, Marek Szyprowski wrote:
> > Hello,
> > 
> > On 2014-08-26 04:43, Minchan Kim wrote:
> > >On Mon, Aug 25, 2014 at 10:33:50AM +0200, Marek Szyprowski wrote:
> > >>On 2014-08-25 10:18, Minchan Kim wrote:
> > >>>On Mon, Aug 25, 2014 at 10:00:32AM +0200, Marek Szyprowski wrote:
> > >>>>On 2014-08-25 03:26, Minchan Kim wrote:
> > >>>>>On Thu, Aug 21, 2014 at 10:45:12AM +0200, Marek Szyprowski wrote:
> > >>>>>>Russell King recently noticed that limiting default CMA region only to
> > >>>>>>low memory on ARM architecture causes serious memory management issues
> > >>>>>>with machines having a lot of memory (which is mainly available as high
> > >>>>>>memory). More information can be found the following thread:
> > >>>>>>http://thread.gmane.org/gmane.linux.ports.arm.kernel/348441/
> > >>>>>>
> > >>>>>>Those two patches removes this limit letting kernel to put default CMA
> > >>>>>>region into high memory when this is possible (there is enough high
> > >>>>>>memory available and architecture specific DMA limit fits).
> > >>>>>Agreed. It should be from the beginning because CMA page is effectly
> > >>>>>pinned if it is anonymous page and system has no swap.
> > >>>>Nope. Even without swap, anonymous page can be correctly migrated to other
> > >>>>location. Migration code doesn't depend on presence of swap.
> > >>>I could be possible only if the zone has freeable page(ie, free pages
> > >>>+ shrinkable page like page cache). IOW, if the zone is full with
> > >>>anon pages, it's efffectively pinned.
> > >>Why? __alloc_contig_migrate_range() uses alloc_migrate_target()
> > >>function, which
> > >>can take free page from any zone matching given flags.
> > >Strictly speaking, it's not any zones. It allows zones which are
> > >equal or lower with zone of source page.
> > >
> > >Pz, look at Russell's case.
> > >The pgd_alloc is trying to allocate order 2 page on normal zone,
> > >which is lowest zone so there is no fallback zones to migrate
> > >anonymous pages in normal zone out and alloc_migrate_target doesn't
> > >allocate target page from higher zones of source page at the moment.
> > >That's why I call it as effectively pinned.
> > 
> > In Russell's case the issue is related to compaction code. It should still
> > be able to compact low zone and get some free pages. It is not a case of
> > alloc_migrate_target. I mentioned this function because I wanted to show
> > that it is possible to move pages out of that zone in case of doing CMA
> > alloc and having no swap.
> > 
> > >>>>>>This should solve strange OOM issues on systems with lots of RAM
> > >>>>>>(i.e. >1GiB) and large (>256M) CMA area.
> > >>>>>I totally agree with the patchset although I didn't review code
> > >>>>>at all.
> > >>>>>
> > >>>>>Another topic:
> > >>>>>It means it should be a problem still if system has CMA in lowmem
> > >>>>>by some reason(ex, hardware limit or other purpose of CMA
> > >>>>>rather than DMA subsystem)?
> > >>>>>
> > >>>>>In that case, an idea that just popped in my head is to migrate
> > >>>>>pages from cma area to highest zone because they are all
> > >>>>>userspace pages which should be in there but not sure it's worth
> > >>>>>to implement at this point because how many such cripple platform
> > >>>>>are.
> > >>>>>
> > >>>>>Just for the recording.
> > >>>>Moving pages between low and high zone is not that easy. If I remember
> > >>>>correctly you cannot migrate a page from low memory to high zone in
> > >>>>generic case, although it should be possible to add exception for
> > >>>>anonymous pages. This will definitely improve poor low memory
> > >>>>handling in low zone when CMA is enabled.
> > >>>Yeb, it's possible for anonymous pages but I just wonder it's worth
> > >>>to add more complexitiy to mm and and you are answering it's worth.
> > >>>Okay. May I understand your positive feedback means such platform(
> > >>>ie, DMA works with only lowmem) are still common?
> > >>There are still some platforms, which have limited DMA capabilities. However
> > >Thanks for your comment.
> > >I just wanted to know it's worth before I dive into that but it seems
> > >I was driving wrong way. See below.
> > >
> > >>the ability to move anonymous a page from lowmem to highmem will be
> > >>a benefit
> > >>in any case, as low memory is really much more precious.
> > >Maybe, but in case of this report, even if we move anonymous pages
> > >into higher zones, the problem(ie, OOM) is still there because
> > >pgd_alloc wanted high order page in no cma area in normal zone.
> > >
> > >The feature which move CMA pages into higher zones would help CMA alloc
> > >latency if there are lots of free pages in higher zone but no freeable
> > >page in the zone which source page located in. But it wouldn't help
> > >this OOM problem.
> > 
> > Right. The mentioned OOM problem shows that compaction fails in some cases
> > for unknown reasons. The question here is weather compaction_alloc()
> > function is able to get free CMA pages or not. Right now I'm not sure if
> > it will take pages from the right list or not. This case definitely should
> > be investigated.

Hello, Minchan and Marek.

IIUC, compaction_alloc() can get free CMA pages.

> 
> I think it can because suitable_migrate_target and migrate_async_suitable
> consider CMA. That's why I think the culprit is cmpaction deferring logic
> and sent a patch to detect it.
> http://www.spinics.net/lists/kernel/msg1812538.html

I guess that this problem is related to CMA.
When direct_compaction begins, compaction logic check whether this
zone is suitable or not by compaction_suitable(). In this function,
we check fragmentation_index() and it didn't consider whether free_blocks
is on CMA or not for free_blocks_suitable. So, in Russell's case, it
would always return -1000 and then return COMPACT_PARTIAL. After all,
compaction wouldn't actually happen and allocation request would fail,
too.

I should note that there is one more flaw on zone_watermark_ok().
zone_watermark_ok() doesn't handle > 0 allocation correctly if there
is free CMA memory so we can easily pass this watermakr check in
this case.

I have a plan to fix it, but, it will takes some time. :)

Thanks.

Re: [PATCH 0/2] ARM: Remove lowmem limit for default CMA region

[Minchan Kim]

On Wed, Aug 27, 2014 at 10:42:54AM +0900, Joonsoo Kim wrote:
> On Wed, Aug 27, 2014 at 09:36:11AM +0900, Minchan Kim wrote:
> > Hey Marek,
> > 
> > On Tue, Aug 26, 2014 at 02:34:24PM +0200, Marek Szyprowski wrote:
> > > Hello,
> > > 
> > > On 2014-08-26 04:43, Minchan Kim wrote:
> > > >On Mon, Aug 25, 2014 at 10:33:50AM +0200, Marek Szyprowski wrote:
> > > >>On 2014-08-25 10:18, Minchan Kim wrote:
> > > >>>On Mon, Aug 25, 2014 at 10:00:32AM +0200, Marek Szyprowski wrote:
> > > >>>>On 2014-08-25 03:26, Minchan Kim wrote:
> > > >>>>>On Thu, Aug 21, 2014 at 10:45:12AM +0200, Marek Szyprowski wrote:
> > > >>>>>>Russell King recently noticed that limiting default CMA region only to
> > > >>>>>>low memory on ARM architecture causes serious memory management issues
> > > >>>>>>with machines having a lot of memory (which is mainly available as high
> > > >>>>>>memory). More information can be found the following thread:
> > > >>>>>>http://thread.gmane.org/gmane.linux.ports.arm.kernel/348441/
> > > >>>>>>
> > > >>>>>>Those two patches removes this limit letting kernel to put default CMA
> > > >>>>>>region into high memory when this is possible (there is enough high
> > > >>>>>>memory available and architecture specific DMA limit fits).
> > > >>>>>Agreed. It should be from the beginning because CMA page is effectly
> > > >>>>>pinned if it is anonymous page and system has no swap.
> > > >>>>Nope. Even without swap, anonymous page can be correctly migrated to other
> > > >>>>location. Migration code doesn't depend on presence of swap.
> > > >>>I could be possible only if the zone has freeable page(ie, free pages
> > > >>>+ shrinkable page like page cache). IOW, if the zone is full with
> > > >>>anon pages, it's efffectively pinned.
> > > >>Why? __alloc_contig_migrate_range() uses alloc_migrate_target()
> > > >>function, which
> > > >>can take free page from any zone matching given flags.
> > > >Strictly speaking, it's not any zones. It allows zones which are
> > > >equal or lower with zone of source page.
> > > >
> > > >Pz, look at Russell's case.
> > > >The pgd_alloc is trying to allocate order 2 page on normal zone,
> > > >which is lowest zone so there is no fallback zones to migrate
> > > >anonymous pages in normal zone out and alloc_migrate_target doesn't
> > > >allocate target page from higher zones of source page at the moment.
> > > >That's why I call it as effectively pinned.
> > > 
> > > In Russell's case the issue is related to compaction code. It should still
> > > be able to compact low zone and get some free pages. It is not a case of
> > > alloc_migrate_target. I mentioned this function because I wanted to show
> > > that it is possible to move pages out of that zone in case of doing CMA
> > > alloc and having no swap.
> > > 
> > > >>>>>>This should solve strange OOM issues on systems with lots of RAM
> > > >>>>>>(i.e. >1GiB) and large (>256M) CMA area.
> > > >>>>>I totally agree with the patchset although I didn't review code
> > > >>>>>at all.
> > > >>>>>
> > > >>>>>Another topic:
> > > >>>>>It means it should be a problem still if system has CMA in lowmem
> > > >>>>>by some reason(ex, hardware limit or other purpose of CMA
> > > >>>>>rather than DMA subsystem)?
> > > >>>>>
> > > >>>>>In that case, an idea that just popped in my head is to migrate
> > > >>>>>pages from cma area to highest zone because they are all
> > > >>>>>userspace pages which should be in there but not sure it's worth
> > > >>>>>to implement at this point because how many such cripple platform
> > > >>>>>are.
> > > >>>>>
> > > >>>>>Just for the recording.
> > > >>>>Moving pages between low and high zone is not that easy. If I remember
> > > >>>>correctly you cannot migrate a page from low memory to high zone in
> > > >>>>generic case, although it should be possible to add exception for
> > > >>>>anonymous pages. This will definitely improve poor low memory
> > > >>>>handling in low zone when CMA is enabled.
> > > >>>Yeb, it's possible for anonymous pages but I just wonder it's worth
> > > >>>to add more complexitiy to mm and and you are answering it's worth.
> > > >>>Okay. May I understand your positive feedback means such platform(
> > > >>>ie, DMA works with only lowmem) are still common?
> > > >>There are still some platforms, which have limited DMA capabilities. However
> > > >Thanks for your comment.
> > > >I just wanted to know it's worth before I dive into that but it seems
> > > >I was driving wrong way. See below.
> > > >
> > > >>the ability to move anonymous a page from lowmem to highmem will be
> > > >>a benefit
> > > >>in any case, as low memory is really much more precious.
> > > >Maybe, but in case of this report, even if we move anonymous pages
> > > >into higher zones, the problem(ie, OOM) is still there because
> > > >pgd_alloc wanted high order page in no cma area in normal zone.
> > > >
> > > >The feature which move CMA pages into higher zones would help CMA alloc
> > > >latency if there are lots of free pages in higher zone but no freeable
> > > >page in the zone which source page located in. But it wouldn't help
> > > >this OOM problem.
> > > 
> > > Right. The mentioned OOM problem shows that compaction fails in some cases
> > > for unknown reasons. The question here is weather compaction_alloc()
> > > function is able to get free CMA pages or not. Right now I'm not sure if
> > > it will take pages from the right list or not. This case definitely should
> > > be investigated.
> 
> Hello, Minchan and Marek.
> 
> IIUC, compaction_alloc() can get free CMA pages.
> 
> > 
> > I think it can because suitable_migrate_target and migrate_async_suitable
> > consider CMA. That's why I think the culprit is cmpaction deferring logic
> > and sent a patch to detect it.
> > http://www.spinics.net/lists/kernel/msg1812538.html
> 
> I guess that this problem is related to CMA.
> When direct_compaction begins, compaction logic check whether this
> zone is suitable or not by compaction_suitable(). In this function,
> we check fragmentation_index() and it didn't consider whether free_blocks
> is on CMA or not for free_blocks_suitable. So, in Russell's case, it
> would always return -1000 and then return COMPACT_PARTIAL. After all,
> compaction wouldn't actually happen and allocation request would fail,
> too.

Good catch! Acutally I checked it but I thought COMPACT_PARTIAL will
go with compaction. Brain damaged.


> 
> I should note that there is one more flaw on zone_watermark_ok().
> zone_watermark_ok() doesn't handle > 0 allocation correctly if there
> is free CMA memory so we can easily pass this watermakr check in
> this case.
> 
> I have a plan to fix it, but, it will takes some time. :)

Okay, I am looking forward to seeing that. 
Thanks Joonsoo!

> 
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[PATCH 0/2] ARM: Remove lowmem limit for default CMA region

[Minchan Kim]

On Wed, Aug 27, 2014 at 10:42:54AM +0900, Joonsoo Kim wrote:
> On Wed, Aug 27, 2014 at 09:36:11AM +0900, Minchan Kim wrote:
> > Hey Marek,
> > 
> > On Tue, Aug 26, 2014 at 02:34:24PM +0200, Marek Szyprowski wrote:
> > > Hello,
> > > 
> > > On 2014-08-26 04:43, Minchan Kim wrote:
> > > >On Mon, Aug 25, 2014 at 10:33:50AM +0200, Marek Szyprowski wrote:
> > > >>On 2014-08-25 10:18, Minchan Kim wrote:
> > > >>>On Mon, Aug 25, 2014 at 10:00:32AM +0200, Marek Szyprowski wrote:
> > > >>>>On 2014-08-25 03:26, Minchan Kim wrote:
> > > >>>>>On Thu, Aug 21, 2014 at 10:45:12AM +0200, Marek Szyprowski wrote:
> > > >>>>>>Russell King recently noticed that limiting default CMA region only to
> > > >>>>>>low memory on ARM architecture causes serious memory management issues
> > > >>>>>>with machines having a lot of memory (which is mainly available as high
> > > >>>>>>memory). More information can be found the following thread:
> > > >>>>>>http://thread.gmane.org/gmane.linux.ports.arm.kernel/348441/
> > > >>>>>>
> > > >>>>>>Those two patches removes this limit letting kernel to put default CMA
> > > >>>>>>region into high memory when this is possible (there is enough high
> > > >>>>>>memory available and architecture specific DMA limit fits).
> > > >>>>>Agreed. It should be from the beginning because CMA page is effectly
> > > >>>>>pinned if it is anonymous page and system has no swap.
> > > >>>>Nope. Even without swap, anonymous page can be correctly migrated to other
> > > >>>>location. Migration code doesn't depend on presence of swap.
> > > >>>I could be possible only if the zone has freeable page(ie, free pages
> > > >>>+ shrinkable page like page cache). IOW, if the zone is full with
> > > >>>anon pages, it's efffectively pinned.
> > > >>Why? __alloc_contig_migrate_range() uses alloc_migrate_target()
> > > >>function, which
> > > >>can take free page from any zone matching given flags.
> > > >Strictly speaking, it's not any zones. It allows zones which are
> > > >equal or lower with zone of source page.
> > > >
> > > >Pz, look at Russell's case.
> > > >The pgd_alloc is trying to allocate order 2 page on normal zone,
> > > >which is lowest zone so there is no fallback zones to migrate
> > > >anonymous pages in normal zone out and alloc_migrate_target doesn't
> > > >allocate target page from higher zones of source page at the moment.
> > > >That's why I call it as effectively pinned.
> > > 
> > > In Russell's case the issue is related to compaction code. It should still
> > > be able to compact low zone and get some free pages. It is not a case of
> > > alloc_migrate_target. I mentioned this function because I wanted to show
> > > that it is possible to move pages out of that zone in case of doing CMA
> > > alloc and having no swap.
> > > 
> > > >>>>>>This should solve strange OOM issues on systems with lots of RAM
> > > >>>>>>(i.e. >1GiB) and large (>256M) CMA area.
> > > >>>>>I totally agree with the patchset although I didn't review code
> > > >>>>>at all.
> > > >>>>>
> > > >>>>>Another topic:
> > > >>>>>It means it should be a problem still if system has CMA in lowmem
> > > >>>>>by some reason(ex, hardware limit or other purpose of CMA
> > > >>>>>rather than DMA subsystem)?
> > > >>>>>
> > > >>>>>In that case, an idea that just popped in my head is to migrate
> > > >>>>>pages from cma area to highest zone because they are all
> > > >>>>>userspace pages which should be in there but not sure it's worth
> > > >>>>>to implement at this point because how many such cripple platform
> > > >>>>>are.
> > > >>>>>
> > > >>>>>Just for the recording.
> > > >>>>Moving pages between low and high zone is not that easy. If I remember
> > > >>>>correctly you cannot migrate a page from low memory to high zone in
> > > >>>>generic case, although it should be possible to add exception for
> > > >>>>anonymous pages. This will definitely improve poor low memory
> > > >>>>handling in low zone when CMA is enabled.
> > > >>>Yeb, it's possible for anonymous pages but I just wonder it's worth
> > > >>>to add more complexitiy to mm and and you are answering it's worth.
> > > >>>Okay. May I understand your positive feedback means such platform(
> > > >>>ie, DMA works with only lowmem) are still common?
> > > >>There are still some platforms, which have limited DMA capabilities. However
> > > >Thanks for your comment.
> > > >I just wanted to know it's worth before I dive into that but it seems
> > > >I was driving wrong way. See below.
> > > >
> > > >>the ability to move anonymous a page from lowmem to highmem will be
> > > >>a benefit
> > > >>in any case, as low memory is really much more precious.
> > > >Maybe, but in case of this report, even if we move anonymous pages
> > > >into higher zones, the problem(ie, OOM) is still there because
> > > >pgd_alloc wanted high order page in no cma area in normal zone.
> > > >
> > > >The feature which move CMA pages into higher zones would help CMA alloc
> > > >latency if there are lots of free pages in higher zone but no freeable
> > > >page in the zone which source page located in. But it wouldn't help
> > > >this OOM problem.
> > > 
> > > Right. The mentioned OOM problem shows that compaction fails in some cases
> > > for unknown reasons. The question here is weather compaction_alloc()
> > > function is able to get free CMA pages or not. Right now I'm not sure if
> > > it will take pages from the right list or not. This case definitely should
> > > be investigated.
> 
> Hello, Minchan and Marek.
> 
> IIUC, compaction_alloc() can get free CMA pages.
> 
> > 
> > I think it can because suitable_migrate_target and migrate_async_suitable
> > consider CMA. That's why I think the culprit is cmpaction deferring logic
> > and sent a patch to detect it.
> > http://www.spinics.net/lists/kernel/msg1812538.html
> 
> I guess that this problem is related to CMA.
> When direct_compaction begins, compaction logic check whether this
> zone is suitable or not by compaction_suitable(). In this function,
> we check fragmentation_index() and it didn't consider whether free_blocks
> is on CMA or not for free_blocks_suitable. So, in Russell's case, it
> would always return -1000 and then return COMPACT_PARTIAL. After all,
> compaction wouldn't actually happen and allocation request would fail,
> too.

Good catch! Acutally I checked it but I thought COMPACT_PARTIAL will
go with compaction. Brain damaged.


> 
> I should note that there is one more flaw on zone_watermark_ok().
> zone_watermark_ok() doesn't handle > 0 allocation correctly if there
> is free CMA memory so we can easily pass this watermakr check in
> this case.
> 
> I have a plan to fix it, but, it will takes some time. :)

Okay, I am looking forward to seeing that. 
Thanks Joonsoo!

> 
> Thanks.
> 
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