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From: Doug Anderson <dianders@chromium.org>
To: Petr Mladek <pmladek@suse.com>
Cc: Andrew Morton <akpm@linux-foundation.org>,
	Sumit Garg <sumit.garg@linaro.org>,
	Mark Rutland <mark.rutland@arm.com>,
	Matthias Kaehlcke <mka@chromium.org>,
	Stephane Eranian <eranian@google.com>,
	Stephen Boyd <swboyd@chromium.org>,
	ricardo.neri@intel.com, Tzung-Bi Shih <tzungbi@chromium.org>,
	Lecopzer Chen <lecopzer.chen@mediatek.com>,
	kgdb-bugreport@lists.sourceforge.net,
	Masayoshi Mizuma <msys.mizuma@gmail.com>,
	Guenter Roeck <groeck@chromium.org>,
	Pingfan Liu <kernelfans@gmail.com>,
	Andi Kleen <ak@linux.intel.com>, Ian Rogers <irogers@google.com>,
	linux-arm-kernel@lists.infradead.org,
	linux-perf-users@vger.kernel.org, ito-yuichi@fujitsu.com,
	Randy Dunlap <rdunlap@infradead.org>,
	Chen-Yu Tsai <wens@csie.org>,
	christophe.leroy@csgroup.eu, davem@davemloft.net,
	sparclinux@vger.kernel.org, mpe@ellerman.id.au,
	Will Deacon <will@kernel.org>,
	ravi.v.shankar@intel.com, npiggin@gmail.com,
	linuxppc-dev@lists.ozlabs.org, Marc Zyngier <maz@kernel.org>,
	Catalin Marinas <catalin.marinas@arm.com>,
	Daniel Thompson <daniel.thompson@linaro.org>
Subject: Re: [PATCH v4 09/17] watchdog/hardlockup: Add a "cpu" param to watchdog_hardlockup_check()
Date: Fri, 19 May 2023 10:21:50 -0700	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <CAD=FV=VOdFsdSK5X_8v3YFqDWQhDEYfo5Jkut7=G8TB=+KBKrQ@mail.gmail.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <ZFz4TVOyEU51b898@alley>

Hi,

On Thu, May 11, 2023 at 7:14 AM Petr Mladek <pmladek@suse.com> wrote:
>
> On Thu 2023-05-04 15:13:41, Douglas Anderson wrote:
> > In preparation for the buddy hardlockup detector where the CPU
> > checking for lockup might not be the currently running CPU, add a
> > "cpu" parameter to watchdog_hardlockup_check().
> >
> > --- a/kernel/watchdog.c
> > +++ b/kernel/watchdog.c
> > @@ -92,14 +92,14 @@ static DEFINE_PER_CPU(unsigned long, hrtimer_interrupts_saved);
> >  static DEFINE_PER_CPU(bool, watchdog_hardlockup_processed);
> >  static unsigned long watchdog_hardlockup_dumped_stacks;
> >
> > -static bool watchdog_hardlockup_is_lockedup(void)
> > +static bool watchdog_hardlockup_is_lockedup(unsigned int cpu)
> >  {
> > -     unsigned long hrint = __this_cpu_read(hrtimer_interrupts);
> > +     unsigned long hrint = per_cpu(hrtimer_interrupts, cpu);
>
> My radar tells me that this should be
> READ_ONCE(per_cpu(hrtimer_interrupts, cpu)) when the value might
> be modified on another CPU. Otherwise, the compiler is allowed
> to split the read into more instructions.
>
> It will be needed for the buddy detector. And it will require
> also incrementing the value in watchdog_hardlockup_interrupt_count()
> an atomic way.
>
> Note that __this_cpu_inc_return() does not guarantee atomicity
> according to my understanding. In theory, the following should
> work because counter will never be incremented in parallel:
>
> static unsigned long watchdog_hardlockup_interrupt_count(void)
> {
>         unsigned long count;
>
>         count = __this_cpu_read(hrtimer_interrupts);
>         count++;
>         WRITE_ONCE(*raw_cpu_ptr(hrtimer_interrupts), count);
> }
>
> but it is nasty. A more elegant solution might be using atomic_t
> for hrtimer_interrupts counter.

I switched it over to atomic_t.


> > -     if (__this_cpu_read(hrtimer_interrupts_saved) == hrint)
> > +     if (per_cpu(hrtimer_interrupts_saved, cpu) == hrint)
> >               return true;
> >
> > -     __this_cpu_write(hrtimer_interrupts_saved, hrint);
> > +     per_cpu(hrtimer_interrupts_saved, cpu) = hrint;
>
> IMHO, hrtimer_interrupts_saved might be handled this way.
> The value is read/written only by this function.
>
> The buddy watchdog should see consistent values even when
> the buddy CPU goes offline. This check should never race
> because this CPU should get touched when another buddy
> gets assigned.
>
> Well, it would deserve a comment.

I spent a bunch of time thinking about this too and I agree that for
hrtimer_interrupts_saved we don't need atomic_t nor even
READ_ONCE/WRITE_ONCE. I've add a comment and a note in the commit
message in v5.

WARNING: multiple messages have this Message-ID (diff)
From: Doug Anderson <dianders@chromium.org>
To: Petr Mladek <pmladek@suse.com>
Cc: Andrew Morton <akpm@linux-foundation.org>,
	Sumit Garg <sumit.garg@linaro.org>,
	 Mark Rutland <mark.rutland@arm.com>,
	Matthias Kaehlcke <mka@chromium.org>,
	 Stephane Eranian <eranian@google.com>,
	Stephen Boyd <swboyd@chromium.org>,
	ricardo.neri@intel.com,  Tzung-Bi Shih <tzungbi@chromium.org>,
	Lecopzer Chen <lecopzer.chen@mediatek.com>,
	 kgdb-bugreport@lists.sourceforge.net,
	 Masayoshi Mizuma <msys.mizuma@gmail.com>,
	Guenter Roeck <groeck@chromium.org>,
	 Pingfan Liu <kernelfans@gmail.com>,
	Andi Kleen <ak@linux.intel.com>,  Ian Rogers <irogers@google.com>,
	linux-arm-kernel@lists.infradead.org,
	 linux-perf-users@vger.kernel.org, ito-yuichi@fujitsu.com,
	 Randy Dunlap <rdunlap@infradead.org>,
	Chen-Yu Tsai <wens@csie.org>,
	christophe.leroy@csgroup.eu,  davem@davemloft.net,
	sparclinux@vger.kernel.org, mpe@ellerman.id.au,
	 Will Deacon <will@kernel.org>,
	ravi.v.shankar@intel.com, npiggin@gmail.com,
	 linuxppc-dev@lists.ozlabs.org, Marc Zyngier <maz@kernel.org>,
	 Catalin Marinas <catalin.marinas@arm.com>,
	Daniel Thompson <daniel.thompson@linaro.org>
Subject: Re: [PATCH v4 09/17] watchdog/hardlockup: Add a "cpu" param to watchdog_hardlockup_check()
Date: Fri, 19 May 2023 10:21:50 -0700	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <CAD=FV=VOdFsdSK5X_8v3YFqDWQhDEYfo5Jkut7=G8TB=+KBKrQ@mail.gmail.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <ZFz4TVOyEU51b898@alley>

Hi,

On Thu, May 11, 2023 at 7:14 AM Petr Mladek <pmladek@suse.com> wrote:
>
> On Thu 2023-05-04 15:13:41, Douglas Anderson wrote:
> > In preparation for the buddy hardlockup detector where the CPU
> > checking for lockup might not be the currently running CPU, add a
> > "cpu" parameter to watchdog_hardlockup_check().
> >
> > --- a/kernel/watchdog.c
> > +++ b/kernel/watchdog.c
> > @@ -92,14 +92,14 @@ static DEFINE_PER_CPU(unsigned long, hrtimer_interrupts_saved);
> >  static DEFINE_PER_CPU(bool, watchdog_hardlockup_processed);
> >  static unsigned long watchdog_hardlockup_dumped_stacks;
> >
> > -static bool watchdog_hardlockup_is_lockedup(void)
> > +static bool watchdog_hardlockup_is_lockedup(unsigned int cpu)
> >  {
> > -     unsigned long hrint = __this_cpu_read(hrtimer_interrupts);
> > +     unsigned long hrint = per_cpu(hrtimer_interrupts, cpu);
>
> My radar tells me that this should be
> READ_ONCE(per_cpu(hrtimer_interrupts, cpu)) when the value might
> be modified on another CPU. Otherwise, the compiler is allowed
> to split the read into more instructions.
>
> It will be needed for the buddy detector. And it will require
> also incrementing the value in watchdog_hardlockup_interrupt_count()
> an atomic way.
>
> Note that __this_cpu_inc_return() does not guarantee atomicity
> according to my understanding. In theory, the following should
> work because counter will never be incremented in parallel:
>
> static unsigned long watchdog_hardlockup_interrupt_count(void)
> {
>         unsigned long count;
>
>         count = __this_cpu_read(hrtimer_interrupts);
>         count++;
>         WRITE_ONCE(*raw_cpu_ptr(hrtimer_interrupts), count);
> }
>
> but it is nasty. A more elegant solution might be using atomic_t
> for hrtimer_interrupts counter.

I switched it over to atomic_t.


> > -     if (__this_cpu_read(hrtimer_interrupts_saved) == hrint)
> > +     if (per_cpu(hrtimer_interrupts_saved, cpu) == hrint)
> >               return true;
> >
> > -     __this_cpu_write(hrtimer_interrupts_saved, hrint);
> > +     per_cpu(hrtimer_interrupts_saved, cpu) = hrint;
>
> IMHO, hrtimer_interrupts_saved might be handled this way.
> The value is read/written only by this function.
>
> The buddy watchdog should see consistent values even when
> the buddy CPU goes offline. This check should never race
> because this CPU should get touched when another buddy
> gets assigned.
>
> Well, it would deserve a comment.

I spent a bunch of time thinking about this too and I agree that for
hrtimer_interrupts_saved we don't need atomic_t nor even
READ_ONCE/WRITE_ONCE. I've add a comment and a note in the commit
message in v5.

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WARNING: multiple messages have this Message-ID (diff)
From: Doug Anderson <dianders@chromium.org>
To: Petr Mladek <pmladek@suse.com>
Cc: Mark Rutland <mark.rutland@arm.com>,
	Ian Rogers <irogers@google.com>,
	Randy Dunlap <rdunlap@infradead.org>,
	Lecopzer Chen <lecopzer.chen@mediatek.com>,
	kgdb-bugreport@lists.sourceforge.net, ricardo.neri@intel.com,
	Stephane Eranian <eranian@google.com>,
	sparclinux@vger.kernel.org, Guenter Roeck <groeck@chromium.org>,
	Will Deacon <will@kernel.org>,
	Daniel Thompson <daniel.thompson@linaro.org>,
	Andi Kleen <ak@linux.intel.com>, Chen-Yu Tsai <wens@csie.org>,
	Matthias Kaehlcke <mka@chromium.org>,
	Catalin Marinas <catalin.marinas@arm.com>,
	Masayoshi Mizuma <msys.mizuma@gmail.com>,
	ravi.v.shankar@intel.com, Tzung-Bi Shih <tzungbi@chromium.org>,
	npiggin@gmail.com, Stephen Boyd <swboyd@chromium.org>,
	Pingfan Liu <kernelfans@gmail.com>,
	linux-arm-kernel@lists.infradead.org,
	Sumit Garg <sumit.garg@linaro.org>,
	ito-yuichi@fujitsu.com, linux-perf-users@vger.kernel.org,
	Marc Zyngier <maz@kernel.org>,
	Andrew Morton <akpm@linux-foundation.org>,
	linuxppc-dev@lists.ozlabs.org, davem@davemloft.net
Subject: Re: [PATCH v4 09/17] watchdog/hardlockup: Add a "cpu" param to watchdog_hardlockup_check()
Date: Fri, 19 May 2023 10:21:50 -0700	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <CAD=FV=VOdFsdSK5X_8v3YFqDWQhDEYfo5Jkut7=G8TB=+KBKrQ@mail.gmail.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <ZFz4TVOyEU51b898@alley>

Hi,

On Thu, May 11, 2023 at 7:14 AM Petr Mladek <pmladek@suse.com> wrote:
>
> On Thu 2023-05-04 15:13:41, Douglas Anderson wrote:
> > In preparation for the buddy hardlockup detector where the CPU
> > checking for lockup might not be the currently running CPU, add a
> > "cpu" parameter to watchdog_hardlockup_check().
> >
> > --- a/kernel/watchdog.c
> > +++ b/kernel/watchdog.c
> > @@ -92,14 +92,14 @@ static DEFINE_PER_CPU(unsigned long, hrtimer_interrupts_saved);
> >  static DEFINE_PER_CPU(bool, watchdog_hardlockup_processed);
> >  static unsigned long watchdog_hardlockup_dumped_stacks;
> >
> > -static bool watchdog_hardlockup_is_lockedup(void)
> > +static bool watchdog_hardlockup_is_lockedup(unsigned int cpu)
> >  {
> > -     unsigned long hrint = __this_cpu_read(hrtimer_interrupts);
> > +     unsigned long hrint = per_cpu(hrtimer_interrupts, cpu);
>
> My radar tells me that this should be
> READ_ONCE(per_cpu(hrtimer_interrupts, cpu)) when the value might
> be modified on another CPU. Otherwise, the compiler is allowed
> to split the read into more instructions.
>
> It will be needed for the buddy detector. And it will require
> also incrementing the value in watchdog_hardlockup_interrupt_count()
> an atomic way.
>
> Note that __this_cpu_inc_return() does not guarantee atomicity
> according to my understanding. In theory, the following should
> work because counter will never be incremented in parallel:
>
> static unsigned long watchdog_hardlockup_interrupt_count(void)
> {
>         unsigned long count;
>
>         count = __this_cpu_read(hrtimer_interrupts);
>         count++;
>         WRITE_ONCE(*raw_cpu_ptr(hrtimer_interrupts), count);
> }
>
> but it is nasty. A more elegant solution might be using atomic_t
> for hrtimer_interrupts counter.

I switched it over to atomic_t.


> > -     if (__this_cpu_read(hrtimer_interrupts_saved) == hrint)
> > +     if (per_cpu(hrtimer_interrupts_saved, cpu) == hrint)
> >               return true;
> >
> > -     __this_cpu_write(hrtimer_interrupts_saved, hrint);
> > +     per_cpu(hrtimer_interrupts_saved, cpu) = hrint;
>
> IMHO, hrtimer_interrupts_saved might be handled this way.
> The value is read/written only by this function.
>
> The buddy watchdog should see consistent values even when
> the buddy CPU goes offline. This check should never race
> because this CPU should get touched when another buddy
> gets assigned.
>
> Well, it would deserve a comment.

I spent a bunch of time thinking about this too and I agree that for
hrtimer_interrupts_saved we don't need atomic_t nor even
READ_ONCE/WRITE_ONCE. I've add a comment and a note in the commit
message in v5.

  reply	other threads:[~2023-05-19 17:23 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 130+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2023-05-04 22:13 [PATCH v4 00/17] watchdog/hardlockup: Add the buddy hardlockup detector Douglas Anderson
2023-05-04 22:13 ` Douglas Anderson
2023-05-04 22:13 ` Douglas Anderson
2023-05-04 22:13 ` [PATCH v4 01/17] watchdog/perf: Define dummy watchdog_update_hrtimer_threshold() on correct config Douglas Anderson
2023-05-04 22:13   ` Douglas Anderson
2023-05-04 22:13   ` Douglas Anderson
2023-05-05  2:43   ` Nicholas Piggin
2023-05-05  2:43     ` Nicholas Piggin
2023-05-05  2:43     ` Nicholas Piggin
2023-05-11  8:39     ` Petr Mladek
2023-05-11  8:39       ` Petr Mladek
2023-05-04 22:13 ` [PATCH v4 02/17] watchdog: remove WATCHDOG_DEFAULT Douglas Anderson
2023-05-04 22:13   ` Douglas Anderson
2023-05-04 22:13   ` Douglas Anderson
2023-05-04 22:13 ` [PATCH v4 03/17] watchdog/hardlockup: change watchdog_nmi_enable() to void Douglas Anderson
2023-05-04 22:13   ` Douglas Anderson
2023-05-04 22:13   ` Douglas Anderson
2023-05-05  2:45   ` Nicholas Piggin
2023-05-05  2:45     ` Nicholas Piggin
2023-05-05  2:45     ` Nicholas Piggin
2023-05-04 22:13 ` [PATCH v4 04/17] watchdog/perf: Ensure CPU-bound context when creating hardlockup detector event Douglas Anderson
2023-05-04 22:13   ` Douglas Anderson
2023-05-04 22:13   ` Douglas Anderson
2023-05-04 22:13 ` [PATCH v4 05/17] watchdog/hardlockup: Rename touch_nmi_watchdog() to touch_hardlockup_watchdog() Douglas Anderson
2023-05-04 22:13   ` Douglas Anderson
2023-05-04 22:13   ` Douglas Anderson
2023-05-05  2:51   ` Nicholas Piggin
2023-05-05  2:51     ` Nicholas Piggin
2023-05-05  2:51     ` Nicholas Piggin
2023-05-05 16:37     ` Doug Anderson
2023-05-05 16:37       ` Doug Anderson
2023-05-05 16:37       ` Doug Anderson
2023-05-08  1:34       ` Nicholas Piggin
2023-05-08  1:34         ` Nicholas Piggin
2023-05-08  1:34         ` Nicholas Piggin
2023-05-08 15:56         ` Doug Anderson
2023-05-08 15:56           ` Doug Anderson
2023-05-11  9:24       ` Petr Mladek
2023-05-11  9:24         ` Petr Mladek
2023-05-04 22:13 ` [PATCH v4 06/17] watchdog/perf: Rename watchdog_hld.c to watchdog_perf.c Douglas Anderson
2023-05-04 22:13   ` Douglas Anderson
2023-05-04 22:13   ` Douglas Anderson
2023-05-05  2:53   ` Nicholas Piggin
2023-05-05  2:53     ` Nicholas Piggin
2023-05-05  2:53     ` Nicholas Piggin
2023-05-11 10:09   ` Petr Mladek
2023-05-11 10:09     ` Petr Mladek
2023-05-04 22:13 ` [PATCH v4 07/17] watchdog/hardlockup: Move perf hardlockup checking/panic to common watchdog.c Douglas Anderson
2023-05-04 22:13   ` Douglas Anderson
2023-05-04 22:13   ` Douglas Anderson
2023-05-05  2:58   ` Nicholas Piggin
2023-05-05  2:58     ` Nicholas Piggin
2023-05-05  2:58     ` Nicholas Piggin
2023-05-05 16:37     ` Doug Anderson
2023-05-05 16:37       ` Doug Anderson
2023-05-05 16:37       ` Doug Anderson
2023-05-11 12:03       ` Petr Mladek
2023-05-11 12:03         ` Petr Mladek
2023-05-04 22:13 ` [PATCH v4 08/17] watchdog/hardlockup: Style changes to watchdog_hardlockup_check() / ..._is_lockedup() Douglas Anderson
2023-05-04 22:13   ` Douglas Anderson
2023-05-04 22:13   ` Douglas Anderson
2023-05-05  3:01   ` Nicholas Piggin
2023-05-05  3:01     ` Nicholas Piggin
2023-05-05  3:01     ` Nicholas Piggin
2023-05-05 16:38     ` Doug Anderson
2023-05-05 16:38       ` Doug Anderson
2023-05-05 16:38       ` Doug Anderson
2023-05-11 12:45       ` Petr Mladek
2023-05-11 12:45         ` Petr Mladek
2023-05-04 22:13 ` [PATCH v4 09/17] watchdog/hardlockup: Add a "cpu" param to watchdog_hardlockup_check() Douglas Anderson
2023-05-04 22:13   ` Douglas Anderson
2023-05-04 22:13   ` Douglas Anderson
2023-05-11 14:14   ` Petr Mladek
2023-05-11 14:14     ` Petr Mladek
2023-05-19 17:21     ` Doug Anderson [this message]
2023-05-19 17:21       ` Doug Anderson
2023-05-19 17:21       ` Doug Anderson
2023-05-04 22:13 ` [PATCH v4 10/17] watchdog/hardlockup: Move perf hardlockup watchdog petting to watchdog.c Douglas Anderson
2023-05-04 22:13   ` Douglas Anderson
2023-05-04 22:13   ` Douglas Anderson
2023-05-11 15:46   ` Petr Mladek
2023-05-11 15:46     ` Petr Mladek
2023-05-19 17:22     ` Doug Anderson
2023-05-19 17:22       ` Doug Anderson
2023-05-19 17:22       ` Doug Anderson
2023-05-04 22:13 ` [PATCH v4 11/17] watchdog/hardlockup: Rename some "NMI watchdog" constants/function Douglas Anderson
2023-05-04 22:13   ` Douglas Anderson
2023-05-04 22:13   ` Douglas Anderson
2023-05-05  3:06   ` Nicholas Piggin
2023-05-05  3:06     ` Nicholas Piggin
2023-05-05  3:06     ` Nicholas Piggin
2023-05-05 16:38     ` Doug Anderson
2023-05-05 16:38       ` Doug Anderson
2023-05-05 16:38       ` Doug Anderson
2023-05-12 11:21     ` Petr Mladek
2023-05-12 11:21       ` Petr Mladek
2023-05-04 22:13 ` [PATCH v4 12/17] watchdog/hardlockup: Have the perf hardlockup use __weak functions more cleanly Douglas Anderson
2023-05-04 22:13   ` Douglas Anderson
2023-05-04 22:13   ` Douglas Anderson
2023-05-12 11:55   ` Petr Mladek
2023-05-12 11:55     ` Petr Mladek
2023-05-04 22:13 ` [PATCH v4 13/17] watchdog/hardlockup: detect hard lockups using secondary (buddy) CPUs Douglas Anderson
2023-05-04 22:13   ` Douglas Anderson
2023-05-04 22:13   ` Douglas Anderson
2023-05-05  2:35   ` Nicholas Piggin
2023-05-05  2:35     ` Nicholas Piggin
2023-05-05  2:35     ` Nicholas Piggin
2023-05-05 16:35     ` Doug Anderson
2023-05-05 16:35       ` Doug Anderson
2023-05-05 16:35       ` Doug Anderson
2023-05-08  1:04       ` Nicholas Piggin
2023-05-08  1:04         ` Nicholas Piggin
2023-05-08  1:04         ` Nicholas Piggin
2023-05-08 15:52         ` Doug Anderson
2023-05-08 15:52           ` Doug Anderson
2023-05-19 17:23           ` Doug Anderson
2023-05-19 17:23             ` Doug Anderson
2023-05-19 17:23             ` Doug Anderson
2023-05-04 22:13 ` [PATCH v4 14/17] watchdog/perf: Add a weak function for an arch to detect if perf can use NMIs Douglas Anderson
2023-05-04 22:13   ` Douglas Anderson
2023-05-04 22:13   ` Douglas Anderson
2023-05-04 22:13 ` [PATCH v4 15/17] watchdog/perf: Adapt the watchdog_perf interface for async model Douglas Anderson
2023-05-04 22:13   ` Douglas Anderson
2023-05-04 22:13   ` Douglas Anderson
2023-05-04 22:13 ` [PATCH v4 16/17] arm64: add hw_nmi_get_sample_period for preparation of lockup detector Douglas Anderson
2023-05-04 22:13   ` Douglas Anderson
2023-05-04 22:13   ` Douglas Anderson
2023-05-04 22:13 ` [PATCH v4 17/17] arm64: Enable perf events based hard " Douglas Anderson
2023-05-04 22:13   ` Douglas Anderson
2023-05-04 22:13   ` Douglas Anderson

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