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From: Sumit Garg <sumit.garg@linaro.org>
To: James Bottomley <James.Bottomley@hansenpartnership.com>
Cc: Jarkko Sakkinen <jarkko.sakkinen@linux.intel.com>,
	"Safford, David (GE Global Research, US)" <david.safford@ge.com>,
	Ken Goldman <kgold@linux.ibm.com>,
	Mimi Zohar <zohar@linux.ibm.com>,
	"linux-integrity@vger.kernel.org"
	<linux-integrity@vger.kernel.org>,
	"stable@vger.kernel.org" <stable@vger.kernel.org>,
	"open list:ASYMMETRIC KEYS" <keyrings@vger.kernel.org>,
	"open list:CRYPTO API" <linux-crypto@vger.kernel.org>,
	open list <linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org>
Subject: Re: [PATCH] KEYS: asym_tpm: Switch to get_random_bytes()
Date: Thu, 17 Oct 2019 18:22:17 +0530	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <CAFA6WYNNNTWXDrp_R3M60srGJYjJdRoaNpSnP54V_BinYYXTMA@mail.gmail.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <1571253029.17520.5.camel@HansenPartnership.com>

On Thu, 17 Oct 2019 at 00:40, James Bottomley
<James.Bottomley@hansenpartnership.com> wrote:
>
> On Wed, 2019-10-16 at 19:25 +0300, Jarkko Sakkinen wrote:
> > On Wed, Oct 16, 2019 at 08:34:12AM -0400, James Bottomley wrote:
> > > reversible ciphers are generally frowned upon in random number
> > > generation, that's why the krng uses chacha20.  In general I think
> > > we shouldn't try to code our own mixing and instead should get the
> > > krng to do it for us using whatever the algorithm du jour that the
> > > crypto guys have blessed is.  That's why I proposed adding the TPM
> > > output to the krng as entropy input and then taking the output of
> > > the krng.
> >
> > It is already registered as hwrng. What else?
>
> It only contributes entropy once at start of OS.
>

Why not just configure quality parameter of TPM hwrng as follows? It
would automatically initiate a kthread during hwrng_init() to feed
entropy from TPM to kernel random numbers pool (see:
drivers/char/hw_random/core.c +142).

diff --git a/drivers/char/tpm/tpm-chip.c b/drivers/char/tpm/tpm-chip.c
index 3d6d394..fcc3817 100644
--- a/drivers/char/tpm/tpm-chip.c
+++ b/drivers/char/tpm/tpm-chip.c
@@ -548,6 +548,7 @@ static int tpm_add_hwrng(struct tpm_chip *chip)
                 "tpm-rng-%d", chip->dev_num);
        chip->hwrng.name = chip->hwrng_name;
        chip->hwrng.read = tpm_hwrng_read;
+       chip->hwrng.quality = 1024; /* Here we assume TPM provides
full entropy */
        return hwrng_register(&chip->hwrng);

 }

> >  Was the issue that it is only used as seed when the rng is init'd
> > first? I haven't at this point gone to the internals of krng.
>
> Basically it was similar to your xor patch except I got the kernel rng
> to do the mixing, so it would use the chacha20 cipher at the moment
> until they decide that's unsafe and change it to something else:
>
> https://lore.kernel.org/linux-crypto/1570227068.17537.4.camel@HansenPartnership.com/
>
> It uses add_hwgenerator_randomness() to do the mixing.  It also has an
> unmixed source so that read of the TPM hwrng device works as expected.

Above suggestion is something similar to yours but utilizing the
framework already provided via hwrng core.

-Sumit

>
> James
>
>
>
>
>

WARNING: multiple messages have this Message-ID (diff)
From: Sumit Garg <sumit.garg@linaro.org>
To: James Bottomley <James.Bottomley@hansenpartnership.com>
Cc: Jarkko Sakkinen <jarkko.sakkinen@linux.intel.com>,
	"Safford, David (GE Global Research, US)" <david.safford@ge.com>,
	Ken Goldman <kgold@linux.ibm.com>,
	Mimi Zohar <zohar@linux.ibm.com>,
	"linux-integrity@vger.kernel.org"
	<linux-integrity@vger.kernel.org>,
	"stable@vger.kernel.org" <stable@vger.kernel.org>,
	"open list:ASYMMETRIC KEYS" <keyrings@vger.kernel.org>,
	"open list:CRYPTO API" <linux-crypto@vger.kernel.org>,
	open list <linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org>
Subject: Re: [PATCH] KEYS: asym_tpm: Switch to get_random_bytes()
Date: Thu, 17 Oct 2019 12:52:35 +0000	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <CAFA6WYNNNTWXDrp_R3M60srGJYjJdRoaNpSnP54V_BinYYXTMA@mail.gmail.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <1571253029.17520.5.camel@HansenPartnership.com>

On Thu, 17 Oct 2019 at 00:40, James Bottomley
<James.Bottomley@hansenpartnership.com> wrote:
>
> On Wed, 2019-10-16 at 19:25 +0300, Jarkko Sakkinen wrote:
> > On Wed, Oct 16, 2019 at 08:34:12AM -0400, James Bottomley wrote:
> > > reversible ciphers are generally frowned upon in random number
> > > generation, that's why the krng uses chacha20.  In general I think
> > > we shouldn't try to code our own mixing and instead should get the
> > > krng to do it for us using whatever the algorithm du jour that the
> > > crypto guys have blessed is.  That's why I proposed adding the TPM
> > > output to the krng as entropy input and then taking the output of
> > > the krng.
> >
> > It is already registered as hwrng. What else?
>
> It only contributes entropy once at start of OS.
>

Why not just configure quality parameter of TPM hwrng as follows? It
would automatically initiate a kthread during hwrng_init() to feed
entropy from TPM to kernel random numbers pool (see:
drivers/char/hw_random/core.c +142).

diff --git a/drivers/char/tpm/tpm-chip.c b/drivers/char/tpm/tpm-chip.c
index 3d6d394..fcc3817 100644
--- a/drivers/char/tpm/tpm-chip.c
+++ b/drivers/char/tpm/tpm-chip.c
@@ -548,6 +548,7 @@ static int tpm_add_hwrng(struct tpm_chip *chip)
                 "tpm-rng-%d", chip->dev_num);
        chip->hwrng.name = chip->hwrng_name;
        chip->hwrng.read = tpm_hwrng_read;
+       chip->hwrng.quality = 1024; /* Here we assume TPM provides
full entropy */
        return hwrng_register(&chip->hwrng);

 }

> >  Was the issue that it is only used as seed when the rng is init'd
> > first? I haven't at this point gone to the internals of krng.
>
> Basically it was similar to your xor patch except I got the kernel rng
> to do the mixing, so it would use the chacha20 cipher at the moment
> until they decide that's unsafe and change it to something else:
>
> https://lore.kernel.org/linux-crypto/1570227068.17537.4.camel@HansenPartnership.com/
>
> It uses add_hwgenerator_randomness() to do the mixing.  It also has an
> unmixed source so that read of the TPM hwrng device works as expected.

Above suggestion is something similar to yours but utilizing the
framework already provided via hwrng core.

-Sumit

>
> James
>
>
>
>
>

  reply	other threads:[~2019-10-17 12:52 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 116+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2019-09-26 17:16 [PATCH] KEYS: asym_tpm: Switch to get_random_bytes() Jarkko Sakkinen
2019-09-26 17:16 ` Jarkko Sakkinen
2019-09-28 18:05 ` Jerry Snitselaar
2019-09-28 18:05   ` Jerry Snitselaar
2019-10-01 20:54   ` Jarkko Sakkinen
2019-10-01 20:54     ` Jarkko Sakkinen
2019-10-02 14:00 ` Mimi Zohar
2019-10-02 14:00   ` Mimi Zohar
2019-10-03 11:41   ` Jarkko Sakkinen
2019-10-03 11:41     ` Jarkko Sakkinen
2019-10-03 11:43     ` Jarkko Sakkinen
2019-10-03 11:43       ` Jarkko Sakkinen
2019-10-03 13:02     ` Mimi Zohar
2019-10-03 13:02       ` Mimi Zohar
2019-10-03 17:58       ` Jarkko Sakkinen
2019-10-03 17:58         ` Jarkko Sakkinen
2019-10-03 18:53         ` Mimi Zohar
2019-10-03 18:53           ` Mimi Zohar
2019-10-03 21:51           ` Jarkko Sakkinen
2019-10-03 21:51             ` Jarkko Sakkinen
2019-10-03 21:57             ` Jarkko Sakkinen
2019-10-03 21:57               ` Jarkko Sakkinen
2019-10-03 22:08               ` Mimi Zohar
2019-10-03 22:08                 ` Mimi Zohar
2019-10-03 23:59                 ` James Bottomley
2019-10-03 23:59                   ` James Bottomley
2019-10-04 18:22                   ` Jarkko Sakkinen
2019-10-04 18:22                     ` Jarkko Sakkinen
2019-10-04 18:24                     ` James Bottomley
2019-10-04 18:24                       ` James Bottomley
2019-10-04 18:33                       ` Jerry Snitselaar
2019-10-04 18:33                         ` Jerry Snitselaar
2019-10-04 18:42                         ` James Bottomley
2019-10-04 18:42                           ` James Bottomley
2019-10-04 20:07                           ` Jerry Snitselaar
2019-10-04 20:07                             ` Jerry Snitselaar
2019-10-04 20:11                             ` Jerry Snitselaar
2019-10-04 20:11                               ` Jerry Snitselaar
2019-10-04 22:11                               ` James Bottomley
2019-10-04 22:11                                 ` James Bottomley
2019-10-06  0:38                                 ` Mimi Zohar
2019-10-06  0:38                                   ` Mimi Zohar
2019-10-06 23:52                                   ` Jarkko Sakkinen
2019-10-06 23:52                                     ` Jarkko Sakkinen
2019-10-07 18:08                                     ` Mimi Zohar
2019-10-07 18:08                                       ` Mimi Zohar
2019-10-04 18:20                 ` Jarkko Sakkinen
2019-10-04 18:20                   ` Jarkko Sakkinen
2019-10-03 22:10               ` Jarkko Sakkinen
2019-10-03 22:10                 ` Jarkko Sakkinen
2019-10-04 13:26           ` Safford, David (GE Global Research, US)
2019-10-04 13:26             ` Safford, David (GE Global Research, US)
2019-10-04 18:27             ` Jarkko Sakkinen
2019-10-04 18:27               ` Jarkko Sakkinen
2019-10-04 18:30               ` Jarkko Sakkinen
2019-10-04 18:30                 ` Jarkko Sakkinen
2019-10-04 19:56               ` Safford, David (GE Global Research, US)
2019-10-04 19:56                 ` Safford, David (GE Global Research, US)
2019-10-07  0:05                 ` Jarkko Sakkinen
2019-10-07  0:05                   ` Jarkko Sakkinen
2019-10-07 22:13                   ` Ken Goldman
2019-10-07 22:13                     ` Ken Goldman
2019-10-08 23:49                     ` Jarkko Sakkinen
2019-10-08 23:49                       ` Jarkko Sakkinen
2019-10-08 23:53                       ` Jarkko Sakkinen
2019-10-08 23:53                         ` Jarkko Sakkinen
2019-10-09  7:10                         ` Pascal Van Leeuwen
2019-10-09  7:10                           ` Pascal Van Leeuwen
2019-10-09  7:33                         ` Jarkko Sakkinen
2019-10-09  7:33                           ` Jarkko Sakkinen
2019-10-09  7:41                           ` Jarkko Sakkinen
2019-10-09  7:41                             ` Jarkko Sakkinen
2019-10-09  8:09                             ` Pascal Van Leeuwen
2019-10-09  8:09                               ` Pascal Van Leeuwen
2019-10-14 19:11                               ` Jarkko Sakkinen
2019-10-14 19:11                                 ` Jarkko Sakkinen
2019-10-09  8:02                           ` Pascal Van Leeuwen
2019-10-09  8:02                             ` Pascal Van Leeuwen
2019-10-09 12:11                         ` Safford, David (GE Global Research, US)
2019-10-09 12:11                           ` Safford, David (GE Global Research, US)
2019-10-14 19:00                           ` Jarkko Sakkinen
2019-10-14 19:00                             ` Jarkko Sakkinen
2019-10-14 19:29                             ` Jarkko Sakkinen
2019-10-14 19:29                               ` Jarkko Sakkinen
2019-10-14 19:29                             ` James Bottomley
2019-10-14 19:29                               ` James Bottomley
2019-10-16 11:00                               ` Jarkko Sakkinen
2019-10-16 11:00                                 ` Jarkko Sakkinen
2019-10-16 12:34                                 ` James Bottomley
2019-10-16 12:34                                   ` James Bottomley
2019-10-16 16:25                                   ` Jarkko Sakkinen
2019-10-16 16:25                                     ` Jarkko Sakkinen
2019-10-16 19:10                                     ` James Bottomley
2019-10-16 19:10                                       ` James Bottomley
2019-10-17 12:52                                       ` Sumit Garg [this message]
2019-10-17 12:52                                         ` Sumit Garg
2019-10-17 12:58                                         ` James Bottomley
2019-10-17 12:58                                           ` James Bottomley
2019-10-17 18:04                                       ` Jarkko Sakkinen
2019-10-17 18:04                                         ` Jarkko Sakkinen
2019-10-21 11:39                                         ` Jarkko Sakkinen
2019-10-21 11:39                                           ` Jarkko Sakkinen
2019-10-29  8:42                                           ` Jarkko Sakkinen
2019-10-29  8:42                                             ` Jarkko Sakkinen
2019-10-29 14:58                                             ` James Bottomley
2019-10-29 14:58                                               ` James Bottomley
2019-10-31 21:03                                               ` Jarkko Sakkinen
2019-10-31 21:03                                                 ` Jarkko Sakkinen
2019-10-18  7:32                                   ` Janne Karhunen
2019-10-18  7:32                                     ` Janne Karhunen
2019-10-03 18:02       ` Jarkko Sakkinen
2019-10-03 18:02         ` Jarkko Sakkinen
2019-10-03 18:15         ` Jarkko Sakkinen
2019-10-03 18:15           ` Jarkko Sakkinen
2019-10-07 10:33     ` Janne Karhunen
2019-10-07 10:33       ` Janne Karhunen

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