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From: Oded Gabbay <oded.gabbay@gmail.com>
To: "Christian König" <ckoenig.leichtzumerken@gmail.com>
Cc: "Jason Gunthorpe" <jgg@ziepe.ca>,
	"Gal Pressman" <galpress@amazon.com>,
	sleybo@amazon.com, linux-rdma <linux-rdma@vger.kernel.org>,
	"Oded Gabbay" <ogabbay@kernel.org>,
	"Christoph Hellwig" <hch@lst.de>,
	"Linux Kernel Mailing List" <linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org>,
	dri-devel <dri-devel@lists.freedesktop.org>,
	"Christian König" <christian.koenig@amd.com>,
	"moderated list:DMA BUFFER SHARING FRAMEWORK"
	<linaro-mm-sig@lists.linaro.org>,
	"Doug Ledford" <dledford@redhat.com>,
	"Tomer Tayar" <ttayar@habana.ai>,
	"amd-gfx list" <amd-gfx@lists.freedesktop.org>,
	"Greg KH" <gregkh@linuxfoundation.org>,
	"Alex Deucher" <alexander.deucher@amd.com>,
	"Leon Romanovsky" <leonro@nvidia.com>,
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Subject: Re: [Linaro-mm-sig] [PATCH v3 1/2] habanalabs: define uAPI to export FD for DMA-BUF
Date: Tue, 22 Jun 2021 11:42:27 +0300	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <CAFCwf11h_Nj_GEdCdeTzO5jgr-Y9em+W-v_pYUfz64i5Ac25yg@mail.gmail.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <d358c740-fd3a-9ecd-7001-676e2cb44ec9@gmail.com>

On Tue, Jun 22, 2021 at 9:37 AM Christian König
<ckoenig.leichtzumerken@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> Am 22.06.21 um 01:29 schrieb Jason Gunthorpe:
> > On Mon, Jun 21, 2021 at 10:24:16PM +0300, Oded Gabbay wrote:
> >
> >> Another thing I want to emphasize is that we are doing p2p only
> >> through the export/import of the FD. We do *not* allow the user to
> >> mmap the dma-buf as we do not support direct IO. So there is no access
> >> to these pages through the userspace.
> > Arguably mmaping the memory is a better choice, and is the direction
> > that Logan's series goes in. Here the use of DMABUF was specifically
> > designed to allow hitless revokation of the memory, which this isn't
> > even using.
>
> The major problem with this approach is that DMA-buf is also used for
> memory which isn't CPU accessible.
>
> That was one of the reasons we didn't even considered using the mapping
> memory approach for GPUs.
>
> Regards,
> Christian.
>
> >
> > So you are taking the hit of very limited hardware support and reduced
> > performance just to squeeze into DMABUF..

Thanks Jason for the clarification, but I honestly prefer to use
DMA-BUF at the moment.
It gives us just what we need (even more than what we need as you
pointed out), it is *already* integrated and tested in the RDMA
subsystem, and I'm feeling comfortable using it as I'm somewhat
familiar with it from my AMD days.

I'll go and read Logan's patch-set to see if that will work for us in
the future. Please remember, as Daniel said, we don't have struct page
backing our device memory, so if that is a requirement to connect to
Logan's work, then I don't think we will want to do it at this point.

Thanks,
Oded

> >
> > Jason
> > _______________________________________________
> > Linaro-mm-sig mailing list
> > Linaro-mm-sig@lists.linaro.org
> > https://lists.linaro.org/mailman/listinfo/linaro-mm-sig
>

WARNING: multiple messages have this Message-ID (diff)
From: Oded Gabbay <oded.gabbay@gmail.com>
To: "Christian König" <ckoenig.leichtzumerken@gmail.com>
Cc: "Christian König" <christian.koenig@amd.com>,
	linux-rdma <linux-rdma@vger.kernel.org>,
	"Linux Kernel Mailing List" <linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org>,
	sleybo@amazon.com, "Gal Pressman" <galpress@amazon.com>,
	dri-devel <dri-devel@lists.freedesktop.org>,
	"Christoph Hellwig" <hch@lst.de>,
	"moderated list:DMA BUFFER SHARING FRAMEWORK"
	<linaro-mm-sig@lists.linaro.org>,
	"Jason Gunthorpe" <jgg@ziepe.ca>,
	"Doug Ledford" <dledford@redhat.com>,
	"Tomer Tayar" <ttayar@habana.ai>,
	"amd-gfx list" <amd-gfx@lists.freedesktop.org>,
	"Greg KH" <gregkh@linuxfoundation.org>,
	"Alex Deucher" <alexander.deucher@amd.com>,
	"Leon Romanovsky" <leonro@nvidia.com>,
	"Oded Gabbay" <ogabbay@kernel.org>,
	"open list:DMA BUFFER SHARING FRAMEWORK"
	<linux-media@vger.kernel.org>
Subject: Re: [Linaro-mm-sig] [PATCH v3 1/2] habanalabs: define uAPI to export FD for DMA-BUF
Date: Tue, 22 Jun 2021 11:42:27 +0300	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <CAFCwf11h_Nj_GEdCdeTzO5jgr-Y9em+W-v_pYUfz64i5Ac25yg@mail.gmail.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <d358c740-fd3a-9ecd-7001-676e2cb44ec9@gmail.com>

On Tue, Jun 22, 2021 at 9:37 AM Christian König
<ckoenig.leichtzumerken@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> Am 22.06.21 um 01:29 schrieb Jason Gunthorpe:
> > On Mon, Jun 21, 2021 at 10:24:16PM +0300, Oded Gabbay wrote:
> >
> >> Another thing I want to emphasize is that we are doing p2p only
> >> through the export/import of the FD. We do *not* allow the user to
> >> mmap the dma-buf as we do not support direct IO. So there is no access
> >> to these pages through the userspace.
> > Arguably mmaping the memory is a better choice, and is the direction
> > that Logan's series goes in. Here the use of DMABUF was specifically
> > designed to allow hitless revokation of the memory, which this isn't
> > even using.
>
> The major problem with this approach is that DMA-buf is also used for
> memory which isn't CPU accessible.
>
> That was one of the reasons we didn't even considered using the mapping
> memory approach for GPUs.
>
> Regards,
> Christian.
>
> >
> > So you are taking the hit of very limited hardware support and reduced
> > performance just to squeeze into DMABUF..

Thanks Jason for the clarification, but I honestly prefer to use
DMA-BUF at the moment.
It gives us just what we need (even more than what we need as you
pointed out), it is *already* integrated and tested in the RDMA
subsystem, and I'm feeling comfortable using it as I'm somewhat
familiar with it from my AMD days.

I'll go and read Logan's patch-set to see if that will work for us in
the future. Please remember, as Daniel said, we don't have struct page
backing our device memory, so if that is a requirement to connect to
Logan's work, then I don't think we will want to do it at this point.

Thanks,
Oded

> >
> > Jason
> > _______________________________________________
> > Linaro-mm-sig mailing list
> > Linaro-mm-sig@lists.linaro.org
> > https://lists.linaro.org/mailman/listinfo/linaro-mm-sig
>

WARNING: multiple messages have this Message-ID (diff)
From: Oded Gabbay <oded.gabbay@gmail.com>
To: "Christian König" <ckoenig.leichtzumerken@gmail.com>
Cc: "Christian König" <christian.koenig@amd.com>,
	linux-rdma <linux-rdma@vger.kernel.org>,
	"Linux Kernel Mailing List" <linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org>,
	sleybo@amazon.com, "Gal Pressman" <galpress@amazon.com>,
	dri-devel <dri-devel@lists.freedesktop.org>,
	"Christoph Hellwig" <hch@lst.de>,
	"moderated list:DMA BUFFER SHARING FRAMEWORK"
	<linaro-mm-sig@lists.linaro.org>,
	"Jason Gunthorpe" <jgg@ziepe.ca>,
	"Doug Ledford" <dledford@redhat.com>,
	"Tomer Tayar" <ttayar@habana.ai>,
	"amd-gfx list" <amd-gfx@lists.freedesktop.org>,
	"Greg KH" <gregkh@linuxfoundation.org>,
	"Alex Deucher" <alexander.deucher@amd.com>,
	"Leon Romanovsky" <leonro@nvidia.com>,
	"Oded Gabbay" <ogabbay@kernel.org>,
	"open list:DMA BUFFER SHARING FRAMEWORK"
	<linux-media@vger.kernel.org>
Subject: Re: [Linaro-mm-sig] [PATCH v3 1/2] habanalabs: define uAPI to export FD for DMA-BUF
Date: Tue, 22 Jun 2021 11:42:27 +0300	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <CAFCwf11h_Nj_GEdCdeTzO5jgr-Y9em+W-v_pYUfz64i5Ac25yg@mail.gmail.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <d358c740-fd3a-9ecd-7001-676e2cb44ec9@gmail.com>

On Tue, Jun 22, 2021 at 9:37 AM Christian König
<ckoenig.leichtzumerken@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> Am 22.06.21 um 01:29 schrieb Jason Gunthorpe:
> > On Mon, Jun 21, 2021 at 10:24:16PM +0300, Oded Gabbay wrote:
> >
> >> Another thing I want to emphasize is that we are doing p2p only
> >> through the export/import of the FD. We do *not* allow the user to
> >> mmap the dma-buf as we do not support direct IO. So there is no access
> >> to these pages through the userspace.
> > Arguably mmaping the memory is a better choice, and is the direction
> > that Logan's series goes in. Here the use of DMABUF was specifically
> > designed to allow hitless revokation of the memory, which this isn't
> > even using.
>
> The major problem with this approach is that DMA-buf is also used for
> memory which isn't CPU accessible.
>
> That was one of the reasons we didn't even considered using the mapping
> memory approach for GPUs.
>
> Regards,
> Christian.
>
> >
> > So you are taking the hit of very limited hardware support and reduced
> > performance just to squeeze into DMABUF..

Thanks Jason for the clarification, but I honestly prefer to use
DMA-BUF at the moment.
It gives us just what we need (even more than what we need as you
pointed out), it is *already* integrated and tested in the RDMA
subsystem, and I'm feeling comfortable using it as I'm somewhat
familiar with it from my AMD days.

I'll go and read Logan's patch-set to see if that will work for us in
the future. Please remember, as Daniel said, we don't have struct page
backing our device memory, so if that is a requirement to connect to
Logan's work, then I don't think we will want to do it at this point.

Thanks,
Oded

> >
> > Jason
> > _______________________________________________
> > Linaro-mm-sig mailing list
> > Linaro-mm-sig@lists.linaro.org
> > https://lists.linaro.org/mailman/listinfo/linaro-mm-sig
>
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Thread overview: 143+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2021-06-18 12:36 [PATCH v3 1/2] habanalabs: define uAPI to export FD for DMA-BUF Oded Gabbay
2021-06-18 12:36 ` Oded Gabbay
2021-06-18 12:36 ` [PATCH v3 2/2] habanalabs: add support for dma-buf exporter Oded Gabbay
2021-06-18 12:36   ` Oded Gabbay
2021-06-21 12:28 ` [PATCH v3 1/2] habanalabs: define uAPI to export FD for DMA-BUF Daniel Vetter
2021-06-21 12:28   ` Daniel Vetter
2021-06-21 12:28   ` Daniel Vetter
2021-06-21 13:02   ` Greg KH
2021-06-21 13:02     ` Greg KH
2021-06-21 13:02     ` Greg KH
2021-06-21 14:12     ` Jason Gunthorpe
2021-06-21 14:12       ` Jason Gunthorpe
2021-06-21 14:12       ` Jason Gunthorpe
2021-06-21 16:26       ` Oded Gabbay
2021-06-21 16:26         ` Oded Gabbay
2021-06-21 16:26         ` Oded Gabbay
2021-06-21 17:55         ` Jason Gunthorpe
2021-06-21 17:55           ` Jason Gunthorpe
2021-06-21 17:55           ` Jason Gunthorpe
2021-06-21 18:27           ` Daniel Vetter
2021-06-21 18:27             ` Daniel Vetter
2021-06-21 18:27             ` Daniel Vetter
2021-06-21 19:24             ` Oded Gabbay
2021-06-21 19:24               ` Oded Gabbay
2021-06-21 19:24               ` Oded Gabbay
2021-06-21 23:29               ` Jason Gunthorpe
2021-06-21 23:29                 ` Jason Gunthorpe
2021-06-21 23:29                 ` Jason Gunthorpe
2021-06-22  6:37                 ` [Linaro-mm-sig] " Christian König
2021-06-22  6:37                   ` Christian König
2021-06-22  6:37                   ` Christian König
2021-06-22  8:42                   ` Oded Gabbay [this message]
2021-06-22  8:42                     ` Oded Gabbay
2021-06-22  8:42                     ` Oded Gabbay
2021-06-22 12:01                     ` Jason Gunthorpe
2021-06-22 12:01                       ` Jason Gunthorpe
2021-06-22 12:01                       ` Jason Gunthorpe
2021-06-22 12:04                       ` Oded Gabbay
2021-06-22 12:04                         ` Oded Gabbay
2021-06-22 12:04                         ` Oded Gabbay
2021-06-22 12:15                         ` Jason Gunthorpe
2021-06-22 12:15                           ` Jason Gunthorpe
2021-06-22 12:15                           ` Jason Gunthorpe
2021-06-22 13:12                           ` Oded Gabbay
2021-06-22 13:12                             ` Oded Gabbay
2021-06-22 13:12                             ` Oded Gabbay
2021-06-22 15:11                             ` Jason Gunthorpe
2021-06-22 15:11                               ` Jason Gunthorpe
2021-06-22 15:11                               ` Jason Gunthorpe
2021-06-22 15:24                               ` Christian König
2021-06-22 15:24                                 ` Christian König
2021-06-22 15:24                                 ` Christian König
2021-06-22 15:28                                 ` Jason Gunthorpe
2021-06-22 15:28                                   ` Jason Gunthorpe
2021-06-22 15:28                                   ` Jason Gunthorpe
2021-06-22 15:31                                   ` Oded Gabbay
2021-06-22 15:31                                     ` Oded Gabbay
2021-06-22 15:31                                     ` Oded Gabbay
2021-06-22 15:31                                   ` Christian König
2021-06-22 15:31                                     ` Christian König
2021-06-22 15:31                                     ` Christian König
2021-06-22 15:40                                     ` Oded Gabbay
2021-06-22 15:40                                       ` Oded Gabbay
2021-06-22 15:40                                       ` Oded Gabbay
2021-06-22 15:49                                       ` Christian König
2021-06-22 15:49                                         ` Christian König
2021-06-22 15:49                                         ` Christian König
2021-06-22 15:24                               ` Oded Gabbay
2021-06-22 15:24                                 ` Oded Gabbay
2021-06-22 15:24                                 ` Oded Gabbay
2021-06-22 15:34                                 ` Jason Gunthorpe
2021-06-22 15:34                                   ` Jason Gunthorpe
2021-06-22 15:34                                   ` Jason Gunthorpe
2021-06-22 12:23                       ` Christian König
2021-06-22 12:23                         ` Christian König
2021-06-22 12:23                         ` Christian König
2021-06-22 15:23                         ` Jason Gunthorpe
2021-06-22 15:23                           ` Jason Gunthorpe
2021-06-22 15:23                           ` Jason Gunthorpe
2021-06-22 15:29                           ` Christian König
2021-06-22 15:29                             ` Christian König
2021-06-22 15:29                             ` Christian König
2021-06-22 15:40                             ` Jason Gunthorpe
2021-06-22 15:40                               ` Jason Gunthorpe
2021-06-22 15:40                               ` Jason Gunthorpe
2021-06-22 15:48                               ` Christian König
2021-06-22 15:48                                 ` Christian König
2021-06-22 15:48                                 ` Christian König
2021-06-22 16:05                                 ` Jason Gunthorpe
2021-06-22 16:05                                   ` Jason Gunthorpe
2021-06-22 16:05                                   ` Jason Gunthorpe
2021-06-23  8:57                                   ` Christian König
2021-06-23  8:57                                     ` Christian König
2021-06-23  8:57                                     ` Christian König
2021-06-23  9:14                                     ` Oded Gabbay
2021-06-23  9:14                                       ` Oded Gabbay
2021-06-23  9:14                                       ` Oded Gabbay
2021-06-23 18:24                                     ` Jason Gunthorpe
2021-06-23 18:24                                       ` Jason Gunthorpe
2021-06-23 18:24                                       ` Jason Gunthorpe
2021-06-23 18:43                                       ` Oded Gabbay
2021-06-23 18:43                                         ` Oded Gabbay
2021-06-23 18:43                                         ` Oded Gabbay
2021-06-23 18:50                                         ` Jason Gunthorpe
2021-06-23 18:50                                           ` Jason Gunthorpe
2021-06-23 18:50                                           ` Jason Gunthorpe
2021-06-23 19:00                                           ` Oded Gabbay
2021-06-23 19:00                                             ` Oded Gabbay
2021-06-23 19:00                                             ` Oded Gabbay
2021-06-23 19:34                                             ` Jason Gunthorpe
2021-06-23 19:34                                               ` Jason Gunthorpe
2021-06-23 19:34                                               ` Jason Gunthorpe
2021-06-23 19:39                                               ` Oded Gabbay
2021-06-23 19:39                                                 ` Oded Gabbay
2021-06-23 19:39                                                 ` Oded Gabbay
2021-06-24  0:45                                                 ` Jason Gunthorpe
2021-06-24  0:45                                                   ` Jason Gunthorpe
2021-06-24  0:45                                                   ` Jason Gunthorpe
2021-06-24  5:40                                                 ` Christoph Hellwig
2021-06-24  5:40                                                   ` Christoph Hellwig
2021-06-24  5:34                                             ` Christoph Hellwig
2021-06-24  5:34                                               ` Christoph Hellwig
2021-06-24  8:07                                               ` Christian König
2021-06-24  8:07                                                 ` Christian König
2021-06-24  8:07                                                 ` Christian König
2021-06-24  8:12                                                 ` Christoph Hellwig
2021-06-24  8:12                                                   ` Christoph Hellwig
2021-06-24  9:52                                                   ` Christian König
2021-06-24  9:52                                                     ` Christian König
2021-06-24  9:52                                                     ` Christian König
2021-06-24 13:22                                                     ` Christoph Hellwig
2021-06-24 13:22                                                       ` Christoph Hellwig
2021-06-22 16:50                             ` Felix Kuehling
2021-06-22 16:50                               ` Felix Kuehling
2021-06-22 16:50                               ` Felix Kuehling
2021-06-21 14:20     ` Daniel Vetter
2021-06-21 14:20       ` Daniel Vetter
2021-06-21 14:20       ` Daniel Vetter
2021-06-21 14:49       ` Jason Gunthorpe
2021-06-21 14:49         ` Jason Gunthorpe
2021-06-21 14:17   ` Jason Gunthorpe
2021-06-21 14:17     ` Jason Gunthorpe
2021-06-21 14:17     ` Jason Gunthorpe

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