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From: richard -rw- weinberger <richard.weinberger@gmail.com>
To: Cyrill Gorcunov <gorcunov@openvz.org>
Cc: Pavel Emelyanov <xemul@parallels.com>,
	"Eric W. Biederman" <ebiederm@xmission.com>,
	Kees Cook <keescook@chromium.org>,
	Thomas Gleixner <tglx@linutronix.de>,
	linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org, Randy Dunlap <rdunlap@xenotime.net>,
	Darren Hart <dvhart@linux.intel.com>,
	Peter Zijlstra <a.p.zijlstra@chello.nl>,
	Andrew Morton <akpm@linux-foundation.org>,
	Jiri Kosina <jkosina@suse.cz>,
	David Howells <dhowells@redhat.com>,
	"Serge E. Hallyn" <serge.hallyn@canonical.com>,
	linux-doc@vger.kernel.org, kernel-hardening@lists.openwall.com,
	spender@grsecurity.net
Subject: Re: [PATCH v2] futex: mark get_robust_list as deprecated
Date: Fri, 3 Aug 2012 13:38:46 +0200	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <CAFLxGvwZEp_Aw2yvPmi9gVQVWGXVRGw+iwDNCpbv+b6hof-p-Q@mail.gmail.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <20120803113538.GD11952@moon>

On Fri, Aug 3, 2012 at 1:35 PM, Cyrill Gorcunov <gorcunov@openvz.org> wrote:
> On Fri, Aug 03, 2012 at 01:30:31PM +0200, richard -rw- weinberger wrote:
>> On Fri, Aug 3, 2012 at 1:27 PM, Cyrill Gorcunov <gorcunov@openvz.org> wrote:
>> > On Fri, Aug 03, 2012 at 01:19:24PM +0200, richard -rw- weinberger wrote:
>> >> >>
>> >> >> CRIU folks, how do you deal with futex robust lists?
>> >> >
>> >> > Well, I believe we were over-optimistic in claiming that we don't need this
>> >> > syscall (to be fair I think we simply yet not faced the problem Eric points).
>> >> > So we need some way to fetch this address and set it back. If get_robust_list
>> >> > get deprecated maybe we could print it out in /proc/pid/stat or something?
>> >>
>> >> Kees, you said get_robust_list() can be used to bypass ASLR.
>> >> How? What makes it worse than /proc/pid/maps?
>> >>
>> >> If the robust list address itself is bad, removing get_robust_list()
>> >> and putting the information into /proc is useless.
>> >
>> > Look, the /proc entry might check for some CAP and do not allow
>> > a regular user to fetch this address.
>>
>> We could also add another check to get_robust_list().
>> It does already ptrace_may_access().
>
> Yes, and I'm definitely not against that ;) The problem is that this
> syscall was marked as deprecated and if people want to drop it we
> need to find a way to provide this address back in a sake of c/r.
>
> If c/r is the only _one_ who needs this facility than providing the
> address via /proc might be worth thing to do (since I can wrap
> it with CONFIG_CHECKPOINT_RESTORE and a regular kernel won't see
> this snippet at all).

Please see my first mail above.
c/r is not the only user. :-P

-- 
Thanks,
//richard

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From: richard -rw- weinberger <richard.weinberger@gmail.com>
To: Cyrill Gorcunov <gorcunov@openvz.org>
Cc: Pavel Emelyanov <xemul@parallels.com>,
	"Eric W. Biederman" <ebiederm@xmission.com>,
	Kees Cook <keescook@chromium.org>,
	Thomas Gleixner <tglx@linutronix.de>,
	linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org, Randy Dunlap <rdunlap@xenotime.net>,
	Darren Hart <dvhart@linux.intel.com>,
	Peter Zijlstra <a.p.zijlstra@chello.nl>,
	Andrew Morton <akpm@linux-foundation.org>,
	Jiri Kosina <jkosina@suse.cz>,
	David Howells <dhowells@redhat.com>,
	"Serge E. Hallyn" <serge.hallyn@canonical.com>,
	linux-doc@vger.kernel.org, kernel-hardening@lists.openwall.com,
	spender@grsecurity.net
Subject: [kernel-hardening] Re: [PATCH v2] futex: mark get_robust_list as deprecated
Date: Fri, 3 Aug 2012 13:38:46 +0200	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <CAFLxGvwZEp_Aw2yvPmi9gVQVWGXVRGw+iwDNCpbv+b6hof-p-Q@mail.gmail.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <20120803113538.GD11952@moon>

On Fri, Aug 3, 2012 at 1:35 PM, Cyrill Gorcunov <gorcunov@openvz.org> wrote:
> On Fri, Aug 03, 2012 at 01:30:31PM +0200, richard -rw- weinberger wrote:
>> On Fri, Aug 3, 2012 at 1:27 PM, Cyrill Gorcunov <gorcunov@openvz.org> wrote:
>> > On Fri, Aug 03, 2012 at 01:19:24PM +0200, richard -rw- weinberger wrote:
>> >> >>
>> >> >> CRIU folks, how do you deal with futex robust lists?
>> >> >
>> >> > Well, I believe we were over-optimistic in claiming that we don't need this
>> >> > syscall (to be fair I think we simply yet not faced the problem Eric points).
>> >> > So we need some way to fetch this address and set it back. If get_robust_list
>> >> > get deprecated maybe we could print it out in /proc/pid/stat or something?
>> >>
>> >> Kees, you said get_robust_list() can be used to bypass ASLR.
>> >> How? What makes it worse than /proc/pid/maps?
>> >>
>> >> If the robust list address itself is bad, removing get_robust_list()
>> >> and putting the information into /proc is useless.
>> >
>> > Look, the /proc entry might check for some CAP and do not allow
>> > a regular user to fetch this address.
>>
>> We could also add another check to get_robust_list().
>> It does already ptrace_may_access().
>
> Yes, and I'm definitely not against that ;) The problem is that this
> syscall was marked as deprecated and if people want to drop it we
> need to find a way to provide this address back in a sake of c/r.
>
> If c/r is the only _one_ who needs this facility than providing the
> address via /proc might be worth thing to do (since I can wrap
> it with CONFIG_CHECKPOINT_RESTORE and a regular kernel won't see
> this snippet at all).

Please see my first mail above.
c/r is not the only user. :-P

-- 
Thanks,
//richard

  reply	other threads:[~2012-08-03 11:38 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 78+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2012-03-19 23:12 [PATCH] futex: do not leak robust list to unprivileged process Kees Cook
2012-03-19 23:12 ` [kernel-hardening] " Kees Cook
2012-03-20 13:31 ` Serge Hallyn
2012-03-20 13:31   ` [kernel-hardening] " Serge Hallyn
2012-03-20 17:02   ` Thomas Gleixner
2012-03-20 17:02     ` [kernel-hardening] " Thomas Gleixner
2012-03-20 17:11     ` Kees Cook
2012-03-20 17:11       ` [kernel-hardening] " Kees Cook
2012-03-20 17:23       ` Ingo Molnar
2012-03-20 17:23         ` [kernel-hardening] " Ingo Molnar
2012-03-22 23:46         ` Thomas Gleixner
2012-03-22 23:46           ` [kernel-hardening] " Thomas Gleixner
2012-03-23 17:58           ` [PATCH] futex: mark get_robust_list as deprecated Kees Cook
2012-03-23 17:58             ` [kernel-hardening] " Kees Cook
2012-03-23 18:27             ` Thomas Gleixner
2012-03-23 18:27               ` [kernel-hardening] " Thomas Gleixner
2012-03-23 19:08               ` Kees Cook
2012-03-23 19:08                 ` [kernel-hardening] " Kees Cook
2012-03-23 19:08               ` [PATCH v2] " Kees Cook
2012-03-23 19:08                 ` [kernel-hardening] " Kees Cook
     [not found]                 ` <20120323190855.GA27213-0X9Bc/hWBUTk6RaD4rd5nQ@public.gmane.org>
2012-03-23 22:06                   ` Eric W. Biederman
2012-03-23 22:06                     ` [kernel-hardening] " Eric W. Biederman
2012-03-23 22:06                     ` Eric W. Biederman
     [not found]                     ` <m1fwczvuph.fsf-+imSwln9KH6u2/kzUuoCbdi2O/JbrIOy@public.gmane.org>
2012-03-23 22:10                       ` Kees Cook
2012-03-23 22:10                         ` [kernel-hardening] " Kees Cook
2012-03-23 22:10                         ` Kees Cook
2012-03-30  5:05                       ` Matt Helsley
2012-03-30  5:05                         ` [kernel-hardening] " Matt Helsley
2012-03-30  5:05                         ` Matt Helsley
     [not found]                         ` <20120330050544.GA32299-52DBMbEzqgQ/wnmkkaCWp/UQ3DHhIser@public.gmane.org>
2012-03-30  6:14                           ` Pavel Emelyanov
2012-03-30  6:14                             ` [kernel-hardening] " Pavel Emelyanov
2012-03-30  6:14                             ` Pavel Emelyanov
2012-03-30 22:51                           ` Gene Cooperman
2012-03-30 22:51                         ` Gene Cooperman
2012-03-30 22:51                           ` [kernel-hardening] " Gene Cooperman
2012-03-27 18:05                 ` Josh Boyer
2012-03-27 18:05                   ` [kernel-hardening] " Josh Boyer
2012-03-27 19:13                   ` Peter Zijlstra
2012-03-27 19:13                     ` [kernel-hardening] " Peter Zijlstra
2012-03-29  9:56                 ` [tip:core/locking] futex: Mark " tip-bot for Kees Cook
2012-08-02 10:35                 ` [PATCH v2] futex: mark " richard -rw- weinberger
2012-08-02 10:35                   ` [kernel-hardening] " richard -rw- weinberger
2012-08-02 11:11                   ` Eric W. Biederman
2012-08-02 11:11                     ` [kernel-hardening] " Eric W. Biederman
2012-08-03 10:17                     ` richard -rw- weinberger
2012-08-03 10:17                       ` [kernel-hardening] " richard -rw- weinberger
2012-08-03 11:02                       ` Cyrill Gorcunov
2012-08-03 11:02                         ` [kernel-hardening] " Cyrill Gorcunov
2012-08-03 11:19                         ` richard -rw- weinberger
2012-08-03 11:19                           ` [kernel-hardening] " richard -rw- weinberger
2012-08-03 11:27                           ` Cyrill Gorcunov
2012-08-03 11:27                             ` [kernel-hardening] " Cyrill Gorcunov
2012-08-03 11:30                             ` richard -rw- weinberger
2012-08-03 11:30                               ` [kernel-hardening] " richard -rw- weinberger
2012-08-03 11:35                               ` Cyrill Gorcunov
2012-08-03 11:35                                 ` [kernel-hardening] " Cyrill Gorcunov
2012-08-03 11:38                                 ` richard -rw- weinberger [this message]
2012-08-03 11:38                                   ` richard -rw- weinberger
2012-08-03 12:38                         ` Pavel Emelyanov
2012-08-03 12:38                           ` [kernel-hardening] " Pavel Emelyanov
2012-08-03 12:58                           ` Eric W. Biederman
2012-08-03 12:58                             ` [kernel-hardening] " Eric W. Biederman
2012-08-03 13:00                             ` richard -rw- weinberger
2012-08-03 13:00                               ` [kernel-hardening] " richard -rw- weinberger
2012-08-03 17:16                             ` Kees Cook
2012-08-03 17:16                               ` [kernel-hardening] " Kees Cook
2012-08-03 18:06                               ` [kernel-hardening] [PATCH] Revert "futex: Mark get_robust_list as deprecated" Richard Weinberger
2012-03-28 18:33           ` [PATCH] futex: do not leak robust list to unprivileged process Kees Cook
2012-03-28 18:33             ` [kernel-hardening] " Kees Cook
2012-03-28 21:24             ` Thomas Gleixner
2012-03-28 21:24               ` [kernel-hardening] " Thomas Gleixner
2012-03-29  9:55 ` [tip:core/locking] futex: Do " tip-bot for Kees Cook
2012-06-19  1:41   ` Wanlong Gao
2012-06-19  2:24     ` Serge Hallyn
2012-06-19  2:32       ` Wanlong Gao
2012-06-19  3:13         ` Serge Hallyn
2012-06-19  3:21           ` Wanlong Gao
2012-06-19 12:23             ` Serge Hallyn

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