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From: Jann Horn <jannh@google.com>
To: Pavel Machek <pavel@ucw.cz>
Cc: Michal Hocko <mhocko@kernel.org>,
	"Catangiu, Adrian Costin" <acatan@amazon.com>,
	"linux-mm@kvack.org" <linux-mm@kvack.org>,
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	"Singh, Balbir" <sblbir@amazon.com>,
	"Sandu, Andrei" <sandreim@amazon.com>,
	"Brooker, Marc" <mbrooker@amazon.com>,
	"Weiss, Radu" <raduweis@amazon.com>,
	"Manwaring, Derek" <derekmn@amazon.com>
Subject: Re: [RFC]: mm,power: introduce MADV_WIPEONSUSPEND
Date: Sat, 4 Jul 2020 00:53:04 +0200	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <CAG48ez0JkDb84FD8xgpNmERhWcjqbZuXfWbxzmnkM_CH_mXAnQ@mail.gmail.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <20200703223453.GA25072@amd>

On Sat, Jul 4, 2020 at 12:34 AM Pavel Machek <pavel@ucw.cz> wrote:
> On Fri 2020-07-03 15:29:22, Jann Horn wrote:
> > On Fri, Jul 3, 2020 at 1:30 PM Michal Hocko <mhocko@kernel.org> wrote:
> > > On Fri 03-07-20 10:34:09, Catangiu, Adrian Costin wrote:
> > > > This patch adds logic to the kernel power code to zero out contents of
> > > > all MADV_WIPEONSUSPEND VMAs present in the system during its transition
> > > > to any suspend state equal or greater/deeper than Suspend-to-memory,
> > > > known as S3.
> > >
> > > How does the application learn that its memory got wiped? S2disk is an
> > > async operation and it can happen at any time during the task execution.
> > > So how does the application work to prevent from corrupted state - e.g.
> > > when suspended between two memory loads?
> >
> > You can do it seqlock-style, kind of - you reserve the first byte of
> > the page or so as a "is this page initialized" marker, and after every
> > read from the page, you do a compiler barrier and check whether that
> > byte has been
>
> That would also need smp cpu barriers, and guarantee that first byte
> is always ... cleared first, and matching barriers in kernel space,
> too, no?

Not if it happens in the guts of the suspend stuff, when userspace is
frozen, I think?

WARNING: multiple messages have this Message-ID (diff)
From: Jann Horn <jannh-hpIqsD4AKlfQT0dZR+AlfA@public.gmane.org>
To: Pavel Machek <pavel-+ZI9xUNit7I@public.gmane.org>
Cc: Michal Hocko <mhocko-DgEjT+Ai2ygdnm+yROfE0A@public.gmane.org>,
	"Catangiu,
	Adrian Costin" <acatan-vV1OtcyAfmbQT0dZR+AlfA@public.gmane.org>,
	"linux-mm-Bw31MaZKKs3YtjvyW6yDsg@public.gmane.org"
	<linux-mm-Bw31MaZKKs3YtjvyW6yDsg@public.gmane.org>,
	"linux-pm-u79uwXL29TY76Z2rM5mHXA@public.gmane.org"
	<linux-pm-u79uwXL29TY76Z2rM5mHXA@public.gmane.org>,
	"virtualization-cunTk1MwBs9QetFLy7KEm3xJsTq8ys+cHZ5vskTnxNA@public.gmane.org"
	<virtualization-cunTk1MwBs9QetFLy7KEm3xJsTq8ys+cHZ5vskTnxNA@public.gmane.org>,
	"linux-api-u79uwXL29TY76Z2rM5mHXA@public.gmane.org"
	<linux-api-u79uwXL29TY76Z2rM5mHXA@public.gmane.org>,
	"akpm-de/tnXTf+JLsfHDXvbKv3WD2FQJk+8+b@public.gmane.org"
	<akpm-de/tnXTf+JLsfHDXvbKv3WD2FQJk+8+b@public.gmane.org>,
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	<rjw-LthD3rsA81gm4RdzfppkhA@public.gmane.org>,
	"len.brown-ral2JQCrhuEAvxtiuMwx3w@public.gmane.org"
	<len.brown-ral2JQCrhuEAvxtiuMwx3w@public.gmane.org>,
	"fweimer-H+wXaHxf7aLQT0dZR+AlfA@public.gmane.org"
	<fweimer-H+wXaHxf7aLQT0dZR+AlfA@public.gmane.org>,
	"keescook-F7+t8E8rja9g9hUCZPvPmw@public.gmane.org"
	<keescook-F7+t8E8rja9g9hUCZPvPmw@public.gmane.org>,
	"luto-kltTT9wpgjJwATOyAt5JVQ@public.gmane.org"
	<luto-kltTT9wpgjJwATOyAt5JVQ@public.gmane.org>,
	"wad-F7+t8E8rja9g9hUCZPvPmw@public.gmane.org"
	<wad-F7+t8E8rja9g9hUCZPvPmw@public.gmane.org>,
	"mingo-DgEjT+Ai2ygdnm+yROfE0A@public.gmane.org"
	<mingo-DgEjT+Ai2ygdnm+yROfE0A@public.gmane.org>,
	"bonzini-mXXj517/zsQ@public.gmane.org"
	<bonzini-mXXj517/zsQ@public.gmane.org>, "Graf (AWS),
	Alexander" <graf-ebkRAfMGSJGzQB+pC5nmwQ@public.gmane.org>
Subject: Re: [RFC]: mm,power: introduce MADV_WIPEONSUSPEND
Date: Sat, 4 Jul 2020 00:53:04 +0200	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <CAG48ez0JkDb84FD8xgpNmERhWcjqbZuXfWbxzmnkM_CH_mXAnQ@mail.gmail.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <20200703223453.GA25072@amd>

On Sat, Jul 4, 2020 at 12:34 AM Pavel Machek <pavel-+ZI9xUNit7I@public.gmane.org> wrote:
> On Fri 2020-07-03 15:29:22, Jann Horn wrote:
> > On Fri, Jul 3, 2020 at 1:30 PM Michal Hocko <mhocko-DgEjT+Ai2ygdnm+yROfE0A@public.gmane.org> wrote:
> > > On Fri 03-07-20 10:34:09, Catangiu, Adrian Costin wrote:
> > > > This patch adds logic to the kernel power code to zero out contents of
> > > > all MADV_WIPEONSUSPEND VMAs present in the system during its transition
> > > > to any suspend state equal or greater/deeper than Suspend-to-memory,
> > > > known as S3.
> > >
> > > How does the application learn that its memory got wiped? S2disk is an
> > > async operation and it can happen at any time during the task execution.
> > > So how does the application work to prevent from corrupted state - e.g.
> > > when suspended between two memory loads?
> >
> > You can do it seqlock-style, kind of - you reserve the first byte of
> > the page or so as a "is this page initialized" marker, and after every
> > read from the page, you do a compiler barrier and check whether that
> > byte has been
>
> That would also need smp cpu barriers, and guarantee that first byte
> is always ... cleared first, and matching barriers in kernel space,
> too, no?

Not if it happens in the guts of the suspend stuff, when userspace is
frozen, I think?

  reply	other threads:[~2020-07-03 22:53 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 77+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2020-07-03 10:34 [RFC]: mm,power: introduce MADV_WIPEONSUSPEND Catangiu, Adrian Costin
2020-07-03 10:34 ` Catangiu, Adrian Costin
2020-07-03 10:34 ` Catangiu, Adrian Costin
2020-07-03 11:04 ` Jann Horn
2020-07-03 11:04   ` Jann Horn
2020-07-03 11:04   ` Jann Horn
2020-07-04  1:33   ` Colm MacCárthaigh
2020-07-04  1:33     ` Colm MacCárthaigh
2020-07-06 12:09   ` Alexander Graf
2020-07-06 12:09     ` Alexander Graf
2020-07-06 12:09     ` Alexander Graf
2020-07-03 11:30 ` Michal Hocko
2020-07-03 11:30   ` Michal Hocko
2020-07-03 11:30   ` Michal Hocko
2020-07-03 12:17   ` Rafael J. Wysocki
2020-07-03 12:17     ` Rafael J. Wysocki
2020-07-03 12:17     ` Rafael J. Wysocki
2020-07-03 22:39     ` Pavel Machek
2020-07-03 22:39       ` Pavel Machek
2020-07-03 22:39       ` Pavel Machek
2020-07-03 13:29   ` Jann Horn
2020-07-03 13:29     ` Jann Horn
2020-07-03 13:29     ` Jann Horn
2020-07-03 22:34     ` Pavel Machek
2020-07-03 22:34       ` Pavel Machek
2020-07-03 22:34       ` Pavel Machek
2020-07-03 22:53       ` Jann Horn [this message]
2020-07-03 22:53         ` Jann Horn
2020-07-03 22:53         ` Jann Horn
2020-07-07  7:38     ` Michal Hocko
2020-07-07  7:38       ` Michal Hocko
2020-07-07  7:38       ` Michal Hocko
2020-07-07  8:07       ` Pavel Machek
2020-07-07  8:07         ` Pavel Machek
2020-07-07  8:07         ` Pavel Machek
2020-07-07  8:58         ` Michal Hocko
2020-07-07  8:58           ` Michal Hocko
2020-07-07  8:58           ` Michal Hocko
2020-07-07 16:37           ` Pavel Machek
2020-07-07 16:37             ` Pavel Machek
2020-07-07 16:37             ` Pavel Machek
2020-07-07 19:00             ` Colm MacCarthaigh
2020-07-12  7:22               ` Pavel Machek
2020-07-12  7:22                 ` Pavel Machek
2020-07-13  8:02                 ` Michal Hocko
2020-07-13  8:02                   ` Michal Hocko
2020-07-04  1:45   ` Colm MacCárthaigh
2020-07-04  1:45     ` Colm MacCárthaigh
2020-07-07  7:40     ` Michal Hocko
2020-07-07  7:40       ` Michal Hocko
2020-07-03 22:44 ` Pavel Machek
2020-07-03 22:44   ` Pavel Machek
2020-07-03 22:44   ` Pavel Machek
2020-07-03 22:56   ` Jann Horn
2020-07-03 22:56     ` Jann Horn
2020-07-03 22:56     ` Jann Horn
2020-07-04 11:48     ` Pavel Machek
2020-07-04 11:48       ` Pavel Machek
2020-07-04 11:48       ` Pavel Machek
2020-07-06 12:26       ` Alexander Graf
2020-07-06 12:26         ` Alexander Graf
2020-07-06 12:26         ` Alexander Graf
2020-07-06 12:52         ` Jann Horn
2020-07-06 12:52           ` Jann Horn
2020-07-06 12:52           ` Jann Horn
2020-07-06 13:14           ` Alexander Graf
2020-07-06 13:14             ` Alexander Graf
2020-07-06 13:14             ` Alexander Graf
2020-07-07  7:44           ` Michal Hocko
2020-07-07  7:44             ` Michal Hocko
2020-07-07  7:44             ` Michal Hocko
2020-07-07  8:01             ` Alexander Graf
2020-07-07  8:01               ` Alexander Graf
2020-07-07  8:01               ` Alexander Graf
2020-07-07  9:14               ` Michal Hocko
2020-07-07  9:14                 ` Michal Hocko
2020-07-07  9:14                 ` Michal Hocko

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