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From: Saravana Kannan <saravanak@google.com>
To: Olof Johansson <olof@lixom.net>
Cc: Greg KH <gregkh@linuxfoundation.org>,
	Linus Torvalds <torvalds@linux-foundation.org>,
	Andrew Morton <akpm@linux-foundation.org>,
	linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org,
	Stephen Rothwell <sfr@canb.auug.org.au>,
	Linux ARM Mailing List <linux-arm-kernel@lists.infradead.org>,
	Shawn Guo <shawnguo@kernel.org>, Li Yang <leoyang.li@nxp.com>
Subject: Re: [GIT PULL] Driver core changes for 6.0-rc1
Date: Wed, 14 Sep 2022 10:35:58 -0700	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <CAGETcx9Ha+akkuqzanGH9vrCnFQT_zTmezAHwtMhpxsQa=mwjg@mail.gmail.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <CAOesGMid4_pDeUQFwhfSwrBRGhGocA-73V83h5qOsmYg7gAWTA@mail.gmail.com>

On Wed, Sep 14, 2022 at 9:24 AM Olof Johansson <olof@lixom.net> wrote:
>
> Hi,
>
> On Wed, Sep 14, 2022 at 7:00 AM Greg KH <gregkh@linuxfoundation.org> wrote:
> >
> > On Tue, Sep 13, 2022 at 09:28:27AM -0700, Olof Johansson wrote:
> > > On Tue, Sep 13, 2022 at 8:15 AM Greg KH <gregkh@linuxfoundation.org> wrote:
> > > >
> > > > On Mon, Sep 12, 2022 at 10:24:43AM -0700, Olof Johansson wrote:
> > > > > On Mon, Sep 12, 2022 at 10:23 AM Olof Johansson <olof@lixom.net> wrote:
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Hi,
> > > > > >
> > > > > > On Wed, Aug 3, 2022 at 7:16 AM Greg KH <gregkh@linuxfoundation.org> wrote:
> > > > > >
> > > > > > > Saravana Kannan (11):
> > > > > > >       PM: domains: Delete usage of driver_deferred_probe_check_state()
> > > > > > >       pinctrl: devicetree: Delete usage of driver_deferred_probe_check_state()
> > > > > > >       net: mdio: Delete usage of driver_deferred_probe_check_state()
> > > > > > >       driver core: Add wait_for_init_devices_probe helper function
> > > > > > >       net: ipconfig: Relax fw_devlink if we need to mount a network rootfs
> > > > > > >       Revert "driver core: Set default deferred_probe_timeout back to 0."
> > > > > > >       driver core: Set fw_devlink.strict=1 by default
> > > > > > >       iommu/of: Delete usage of driver_deferred_probe_check_state()
> > > > > > >       driver core: Delete driver_deferred_probe_check_state()
> > > > > > >       driver core: fw_devlink: Allow firmware to mark devices as best effort
> > > > > > >       of: base: Avoid console probe delay when fw_devlink.strict=1
> > > > > >
> > > > > > The last patch in this list regresses my HoneyComb LX2K (ironically
> > > > > > the machine I do maintainer work on). It stops PCIe from probing, but
> > > > > > without a single message indicating why.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > The reason seems to be that the iommu-maps property doesn't get
> > > > > > patched up by my (older) u-boot, and thus isn't a valid reference.
> > > > > > System works fine without IOMMU, which is how I've ran it for a couple
> > > > > > of years.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > It's also extremely hard to diagnose out of the box because there are
> > > > > > *no error messages*. And there were no warnings leading up to this
> > > > > > strict enforcement.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > This "feature" seems to have been done backwards. The checks should
> > > > > > have been running (and not skipped due to the "optional" flag), but
> > > > > > also not causing errors, just warnings. That would have given users a
> > > > > > chance to know that this is something that needs to be fixed.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > And when you flip the switch, at least report what failed so that
> > > > > > people don't need to spend a whole night bisecting kernels, please.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Greg, mind reverting just the last one? If I hit this, I presume
> > > > > > others would too.
> > > > >
> > > > > Apologies, wrong patch pointed out. The culprit is "driver core: Set
> > > > > fw_devlink.strict=1 by default", 71066545b48e42.
> > > >
> > > > Is this still an issue in -rc5?  A number of patches in the above series
> > > > was just reverted and hopefully should have resolved the issue you are
> > > > seeing.
> > >
> > > Unfortunately, I discovered this regression with -rc5 in the first
> > > place, so it's still there.
> >
> > Ick, ok, Saravana, any thoughts?  I know you're at the conference this
> > week with me, maybe you can give Olof a hint as to what to look for
> > here?
>
> I'm not sure what you want me to look for. The patch turns on
> enforcement of DT contents that never used to be enforced, so now my
> computer no longer boots. And it does it in a way that makes it
> impossible for someone not rebuilding kernels to debug to figure out
> what happened.

Hi Olof,

Sorry for the trouble. It doesn't print any error messages because
there are cases where it's block the probe where it wouldn't be an
error. If I printed it every time fw_devlink blocked a probe, it'd be
a ton of messages.

Btw, when I enabled fw_devlink.strict=1, it was AFTER making changes
that'll stop indefinitely blocking probes. So what you are seeing
shouldn't be happening. After about 10 seconds (configurable), it
should stop blocking the probes.

If you actually want to see the reasons the probe is being blocked,
you can enable the existing dbg messages in drivers/base/core.c.

Would you mind pointing me to the dts (not dtsi) file that corresponds
to this board please? And which specific PCI device is being blocked
from probing? I'll can try to debug it further. Also, can you try to
see why it doesn't get unblocked when driver_deferred_probe_timeout
expires? Or why that's not helping here?

In the meantime, if you want this patch reverted, I'm not opposed to
that. But if you can use fw_devlinks.strict=0 in your commandline for
now and give me time to debug, that'd be nicer.

Thanks,
Saravana

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From: Saravana Kannan <saravanak@google.com>
To: Olof Johansson <olof@lixom.net>
Cc: Greg KH <gregkh@linuxfoundation.org>,
	 Linus Torvalds <torvalds@linux-foundation.org>,
	Andrew Morton <akpm@linux-foundation.org>,
	 linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org,
	Stephen Rothwell <sfr@canb.auug.org.au>,
	 Linux ARM Mailing List <linux-arm-kernel@lists.infradead.org>,
	Shawn Guo <shawnguo@kernel.org>,  Li Yang <leoyang.li@nxp.com>
Subject: Re: [GIT PULL] Driver core changes for 6.0-rc1
Date: Wed, 14 Sep 2022 10:35:58 -0700	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <CAGETcx9Ha+akkuqzanGH9vrCnFQT_zTmezAHwtMhpxsQa=mwjg@mail.gmail.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <CAOesGMid4_pDeUQFwhfSwrBRGhGocA-73V83h5qOsmYg7gAWTA@mail.gmail.com>

On Wed, Sep 14, 2022 at 9:24 AM Olof Johansson <olof@lixom.net> wrote:
>
> Hi,
>
> On Wed, Sep 14, 2022 at 7:00 AM Greg KH <gregkh@linuxfoundation.org> wrote:
> >
> > On Tue, Sep 13, 2022 at 09:28:27AM -0700, Olof Johansson wrote:
> > > On Tue, Sep 13, 2022 at 8:15 AM Greg KH <gregkh@linuxfoundation.org> wrote:
> > > >
> > > > On Mon, Sep 12, 2022 at 10:24:43AM -0700, Olof Johansson wrote:
> > > > > On Mon, Sep 12, 2022 at 10:23 AM Olof Johansson <olof@lixom.net> wrote:
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Hi,
> > > > > >
> > > > > > On Wed, Aug 3, 2022 at 7:16 AM Greg KH <gregkh@linuxfoundation.org> wrote:
> > > > > >
> > > > > > > Saravana Kannan (11):
> > > > > > >       PM: domains: Delete usage of driver_deferred_probe_check_state()
> > > > > > >       pinctrl: devicetree: Delete usage of driver_deferred_probe_check_state()
> > > > > > >       net: mdio: Delete usage of driver_deferred_probe_check_state()
> > > > > > >       driver core: Add wait_for_init_devices_probe helper function
> > > > > > >       net: ipconfig: Relax fw_devlink if we need to mount a network rootfs
> > > > > > >       Revert "driver core: Set default deferred_probe_timeout back to 0."
> > > > > > >       driver core: Set fw_devlink.strict=1 by default
> > > > > > >       iommu/of: Delete usage of driver_deferred_probe_check_state()
> > > > > > >       driver core: Delete driver_deferred_probe_check_state()
> > > > > > >       driver core: fw_devlink: Allow firmware to mark devices as best effort
> > > > > > >       of: base: Avoid console probe delay when fw_devlink.strict=1
> > > > > >
> > > > > > The last patch in this list regresses my HoneyComb LX2K (ironically
> > > > > > the machine I do maintainer work on). It stops PCIe from probing, but
> > > > > > without a single message indicating why.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > The reason seems to be that the iommu-maps property doesn't get
> > > > > > patched up by my (older) u-boot, and thus isn't a valid reference.
> > > > > > System works fine without IOMMU, which is how I've ran it for a couple
> > > > > > of years.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > It's also extremely hard to diagnose out of the box because there are
> > > > > > *no error messages*. And there were no warnings leading up to this
> > > > > > strict enforcement.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > This "feature" seems to have been done backwards. The checks should
> > > > > > have been running (and not skipped due to the "optional" flag), but
> > > > > > also not causing errors, just warnings. That would have given users a
> > > > > > chance to know that this is something that needs to be fixed.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > And when you flip the switch, at least report what failed so that
> > > > > > people don't need to spend a whole night bisecting kernels, please.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Greg, mind reverting just the last one? If I hit this, I presume
> > > > > > others would too.
> > > > >
> > > > > Apologies, wrong patch pointed out. The culprit is "driver core: Set
> > > > > fw_devlink.strict=1 by default", 71066545b48e42.
> > > >
> > > > Is this still an issue in -rc5?  A number of patches in the above series
> > > > was just reverted and hopefully should have resolved the issue you are
> > > > seeing.
> > >
> > > Unfortunately, I discovered this regression with -rc5 in the first
> > > place, so it's still there.
> >
> > Ick, ok, Saravana, any thoughts?  I know you're at the conference this
> > week with me, maybe you can give Olof a hint as to what to look for
> > here?
>
> I'm not sure what you want me to look for. The patch turns on
> enforcement of DT contents that never used to be enforced, so now my
> computer no longer boots. And it does it in a way that makes it
> impossible for someone not rebuilding kernels to debug to figure out
> what happened.

Hi Olof,

Sorry for the trouble. It doesn't print any error messages because
there are cases where it's block the probe where it wouldn't be an
error. If I printed it every time fw_devlink blocked a probe, it'd be
a ton of messages.

Btw, when I enabled fw_devlink.strict=1, it was AFTER making changes
that'll stop indefinitely blocking probes. So what you are seeing
shouldn't be happening. After about 10 seconds (configurable), it
should stop blocking the probes.

If you actually want to see the reasons the probe is being blocked,
you can enable the existing dbg messages in drivers/base/core.c.

Would you mind pointing me to the dts (not dtsi) file that corresponds
to this board please? And which specific PCI device is being blocked
from probing? I'll can try to debug it further. Also, can you try to
see why it doesn't get unblocked when driver_deferred_probe_timeout
expires? Or why that's not helping here?

In the meantime, if you want this patch reverted, I'm not opposed to
that. But if you can use fw_devlinks.strict=0 in your commandline for
now and give me time to debug, that'd be nicer.

Thanks,
Saravana

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  reply	other threads:[~2022-09-14 17:36 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 22+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2022-08-03 14:16 [GIT PULL] Driver core changes for 6.0-rc1 Greg KH
2022-08-04 19:27 ` pr-tracker-bot
2022-09-12 17:23 ` Olof Johansson
2022-09-12 17:23   ` Olof Johansson
2022-09-12 17:24   ` Olof Johansson
2022-09-12 17:24     ` Olof Johansson
2022-09-13 15:15     ` Greg KH
2022-09-13 15:15       ` Greg KH
2022-09-13 16:28       ` Olof Johansson
2022-09-13 16:28         ` Olof Johansson
2022-09-14 14:00         ` Greg KH
2022-09-14 14:00           ` Greg KH
2022-09-14 16:24           ` Olof Johansson
2022-09-14 16:24             ` Olof Johansson
2022-09-14 17:35             ` Saravana Kannan [this message]
2022-09-14 17:35               ` Saravana Kannan
2022-09-15  3:56               ` Olof Johansson
2022-09-15  3:56                 ` Olof Johansson
2022-09-15 10:48                 ` Greg KH
2022-09-15 10:48                   ` Greg KH
2022-09-15 15:53                   ` Olof Johansson
2022-09-15 15:53                     ` Olof Johansson

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