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From: Linus Torvalds <torvalds@linux-foundation.org>
To: Segher Boessenkool <segher@kernel.crashing.org>
Cc: Bill Wendling <morbo@google.com>,
	Nick Desaulniers <ndesaulniers@google.com>,
	 "H. Peter Anvin" <hpa@zytor.com>,
	Thomas Gleixner <tglx@linutronix.de>,
	Ingo Molnar <mingo@redhat.com>,  Borislav Petkov <bp@alien8.de>,
	Dave Hansen <dave.hansen@linux.intel.com>,
	 "maintainer:X86 ARCHITECTURE (32-BIT AND 64-BIT)"
	<x86@kernel.org>, Nathan Chancellor <nathan@kernel.org>,
	Juergen Gross <jgross@suse.com>,
	 Peter Zijlstra <peterz@infradead.org>,
	Andy Lutomirski <luto@kernel.org>,
	llvm@lists.linux.dev,  LKML <linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org>,
	 linux-toolchains <linux-toolchains@vger.kernel.org>
Subject: Re: [PATCH v5] x86: use builtins to read eflags
Date: Thu, 17 Mar 2022 16:31:19 -0700	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <CAHk-=wgHgSJ-suTT6V6_2USPDrdmQweLR_M_YHjb8OsQvYWn-w@mail.gmail.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <20220317231959.GN614@gate.crashing.org>

On Thu, Mar 17, 2022 at 4:25 PM Segher Boessenkool
<segher@kernel.crashing.org> wrote:
>
> > I still think that from a sanity standpoint, it would be good to
> > actually strengthen the semantics of "asm volatile" to literally act
> > as - and be ordered with - volatile memory accesses.
> >
> > But I guess that's water under the bridge.
>
> That is what it has actually done since forever.  See C 5.1.2.3.  For
> GCC, "asm volatile" has a side effect like in /2 there as well, as does
> unspec_volatile (an internal GCC thing used to implement certain
> builtins, among other things).

Oh, so two "asm volatile" statements _are_ in fact defined to be
ordered wrt each other?

Because the gcc docs certainly don't say that ;(

Yeah, yeah, dead code can be removed, whether volatile or not. That's
true of "*(volatile int *)x" too. It's not the dead code that is the
interesting case, though..

Is this also well-defined ordering-wise:

    asm volatile("do_something");
    WRITE_ONCE(x, 1);

(where "WRITE_ONCE()" is that kernel macro that just uses a volatile
pointer assignment to force the access)?

And could we get that documented?

            Linus

  reply	other threads:[~2022-03-17 23:31 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 68+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2021-12-15 21:18 [PATCH] x86: use builtins to read eflags Bill Wendling
2021-12-15 22:46 ` Nathan Chancellor
2021-12-15 23:26 ` Peter Zijlstra
2021-12-16 20:00   ` Bill Wendling
2021-12-16 20:07     ` Nick Desaulniers
2021-12-16  0:57 ` Thomas Gleixner
2021-12-16 19:55   ` Bill Wendling
2021-12-17 12:48     ` Peter Zijlstra
2021-12-17 19:39     ` Thomas Gleixner
2022-03-14 23:09     ` H. Peter Anvin
2022-03-15  0:08       ` Bill Wendling
2021-12-16 19:58   ` Nick Desaulniers
2021-12-29  2:12 ` [PATCH v2] " Bill Wendling
2022-01-27 20:56   ` Bill Wendling
2022-02-04  0:16   ` Thomas Gleixner
2022-02-04  0:58     ` Bill Wendling
2022-02-04  0:57   ` [PATCH v3] " Bill Wendling
2022-02-07 22:11     ` Nick Desaulniers
2022-02-08  9:14       ` David Laight
2022-02-08 23:18         ` Bill Wendling
2022-02-14 23:53         ` Nick Desaulniers
2022-02-10 22:31     ` [PATCH v4] " Bill Wendling
2022-02-11 16:40       ` David Laight
2022-02-11 19:25         ` Bill Wendling
2022-02-11 22:09           ` David Laight
2022-02-11 23:33             ` Bill Wendling
2022-02-12  0:24           ` Nick Desaulniers
2022-02-12  9:23             ` Bill Wendling
2022-02-15  0:33               ` Nick Desaulniers
2022-03-01 20:19       ` [PATCH v5] " Bill Wendling
2022-03-14 23:07         ` Bill Wendling
     [not found]           ` <AC3D873E-A28B-41F1-8BF4-2F6F37BCEEB4@zytor.com>
2022-03-15  7:19             ` Bill Wendling
2022-03-17 15:43               ` H. Peter Anvin
2022-03-17 18:00                 ` Nick Desaulniers
2022-03-17 18:52                   ` Linus Torvalds
2022-03-17 19:45                     ` Bill Wendling
2022-03-17 20:13                       ` Linus Torvalds
2022-03-17 21:10                         ` Bill Wendling
2022-03-17 21:21                           ` Linus Torvalds
2022-03-17 21:45                             ` Bill Wendling
2022-03-17 22:51                               ` Linus Torvalds
2022-03-17 23:14                                 ` Linus Torvalds
2022-03-17 23:19                                 ` Segher Boessenkool
2022-03-17 23:31                                   ` Linus Torvalds [this message]
2022-03-18  0:05                                     ` Segher Boessenkool
2022-03-17 22:37                       ` Segher Boessenkool
2022-03-17 20:13                     ` Florian Weimer
2022-03-17 20:36                       ` Linus Torvalds
2022-03-18  0:25                         ` Segher Boessenkool
2022-03-18  1:21                           ` Linus Torvalds
2022-03-18  1:50                             ` Linus Torvalds
2022-03-17 21:05                     ` Andrew Cooper
2022-03-17 21:39                       ` Linus Torvalds
2022-03-18 17:59                         ` Andy Lutomirski
2022-03-18 18:19                           ` Linus Torvalds
2022-03-18 21:48                             ` Andrew Cooper
2022-03-18 23:10                               ` Linus Torvalds
2022-03-18 23:42                                 ` Segher Boessenkool
2022-03-19  1:13                                   ` Linus Torvalds
2022-03-19 23:15                                   ` Andy Lutomirski
2022-03-18 22:09                             ` Segher Boessenkool
2022-03-18 22:33                               ` H. Peter Anvin
2022-03-18 22:36                               ` David Laight
2022-03-18 22:47                                 ` H. Peter Anvin
2022-03-18 22:43                             ` David Laight
2022-03-18 23:03                               ` H. Peter Anvin
2022-03-18 23:04                         ` Segher Boessenkool
2022-03-18 23:52                           ` David Laight

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