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From: Linus Torvalds <torvalds@linux-foundation.org>
To: Kees Cook <keescook@chromium.org>
Cc: Peter Zijlstra <peterz@infradead.org>,
	gregkh@linuxfoundation.org, pbonzini@redhat.com,
	linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org, ojeda@kernel.org,
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	linux-toolchains@vger.kernel.org
Subject: Re: [PATCH v2 0/2] Lock and Pointer guards
Date: Thu, 8 Jun 2023 09:59:06 -0700	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <CAHk-=wga3uyr_MZVPt3HmvjKKDJVw1s-PZfDvrVnJDJbBKzqdA@mail.gmail.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <202306080917.C0B16C8@keescook>

On Thu, Jun 8, 2023 at 9:47 AM Kees Cook <keescook@chromium.org> wrote:
>
> I am a little worried about how (any version so far of) this API could go
> wrong, e.g. if someone uses this and does "return p" instead of "return
> no_free_ptr(p)",

Absolutely. I think the whole "don't always cleanup" is quite
dangerous, and maybe not worth it, but it _is_ a fairly common
pattern.

>     I was hoping we could do
> something like this to the end of automatic_kfree_wrapper():
>
>        *(void **)pp = NULL;

That would be a lovely thing, but as you found out, it fundamentally
cannot work.

The whole point of "cleanup" is that it is done when the variable -
not trh *value* - goes out of scope.

So when you have that

        return var; /* oops, forgot to disable cleanup */

situation, by definition "var" hasn't gone out of scope until _after_
you read the value and return that value, so pretty much by definition
it cannot make a difference to assign something to 'pp' in the cleanup
code.

> The point being, if we can proactively make this hard to shoot ourselves in
> the foot, that would be nice. :)

So the good thing is that things like KASAN would immediately notice,
and since this all happens (presumably) for the success case, it's not
about some unlikely error case.

I also think that -fanalyzer might just catch it (as part of
-Wanalyzer-use-after-free) at compile-time, but I didn't check. So
if/when people start using -fanalyze on the kernel, those things would
be caught early.

So while this "forget to avoid cleanup" is a worry, I think it ends up
likely being one that is fairly easy to avoid with other checks in
place.

Famous last words.

             Linus

  reply	other threads:[~2023-06-08 16:59 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 42+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2023-05-26 20:52 [PATCH v2 0/2] Lock and Pointer guards Peter Zijlstra
2023-05-26 20:52 ` [PATCH v2 1/2] locking: Introduce __cleanup__ based guards Peter Zijlstra
2023-05-26 21:24   ` Peter Zijlstra
2023-05-26 21:54     ` Linus Torvalds
2023-05-27  8:57       ` Peter Zijlstra
2023-05-26 20:52 ` [PATCH v2 2/2] sched: Use fancy new guards Peter Zijlstra
2023-05-27 17:21 ` [PATCH v2 0/2] Lock and Pointer guards Mathieu Desnoyers
2023-05-27 19:18 ` Linus Torvalds
2023-05-29 12:09   ` Paolo Bonzini
2023-05-29 19:04     ` Linus Torvalds
2023-05-29 21:27       ` Ian Lance Taylor
2023-05-30  0:06         ` Linus Torvalds
2023-05-30  9:23   ` Peter Zijlstra
2023-05-30  9:34     ` Peter Zijlstra
2023-05-30 13:58     ` Valentin Schneider
2023-06-06  9:42     ` Peter Zijlstra
2023-06-06 13:17       ` Linus Torvalds
2023-06-06 13:40         ` Peter Zijlstra
2023-06-06 14:50           ` Linus Torvalds
2023-06-06 16:06             ` Kees Cook
2023-06-06 18:08             ` Peter Zijlstra
2023-06-06 23:22               ` Linus Torvalds
2023-06-07  9:41                 ` Peter Zijlstra
2023-06-08  8:52                   ` Peter Zijlstra
2023-06-08  9:04                     ` Greg KH
2023-06-08 15:45                     ` Linus Torvalds
2023-06-08 16:47                       ` Kees Cook
2023-06-08 16:59                         ` Linus Torvalds [this message]
2023-06-08 17:20                         ` Nick Desaulniers
2023-06-08 18:51                           ` Peter Zijlstra
2023-06-08 20:14                             ` Nick Desaulniers
2023-06-09 10:20                               ` Paolo Bonzini
2023-06-08 20:06                       ` Peter Zijlstra
2023-06-09  2:25                         ` Linus Torvalds
2023-06-09  8:14                           ` Peter Zijlstra
2023-06-09 21:18                           ` Kees Cook
2023-06-09  8:27                       ` Rasmus Villemoes
2023-06-06 15:31       ` Kees Cook
2023-06-06 15:45         ` Linus Torvalds
2023-06-06 16:08           ` Kees Cook
2023-06-08 16:25           ` David Laight
2023-05-30  9:26   ` Peter Zijlstra

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