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From: Linus Torvalds <torvalds@linux-foundation.org>
To: Alexander Potapenko <glider@google.com>
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Subject: Re: [PATCH v4 43/45] namei: initialize parameters passed to step_into()
Date: Sat, 2 Jul 2022 10:23:16 -0700	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <CAHk-=wgbpot7nt966qvnSR25iea3ueO90RwC2DwHH=7ZyeZzvQ@mail.gmail.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <20220701142310.2188015-44-glider@google.com>

On Fri, Jul 1, 2022 at 7:25 AM Alexander Potapenko <glider@google.com> wrote:
>
> Under certain circumstances initialization of `unsigned seq` and
> `struct inode *inode` passed into step_into() may be skipped.
> In particular, if the call to lookup_fast() in walk_component()
> returns NULL, and lookup_slow() returns a valid dentry, then the
> `seq` and `inode` will remain uninitialized until the call to
> step_into() (see [1] for more info).

So while I think this needs to be fixed, I think I'd really prefer to
make the initialization and/or usage rules stricter or at least
clearer.

For example, looking around, I think "handle_dotdot()" has the exact
same kind of issue, where follow_dotdot[_rcu|() doesn't initialize
seq/inode for certain cases, and it's *really* hard to see exactly
what the rules are.

It turns out that the rules are that seq/inode only get initialized if
these routines return a non-NULL and non-error result.

Now, that is true for all of these cases - both follow_dotdot*() and
lookup_fast(). Possibly others.

But the reason follow_dotdot*() doesn't cause the same issue is that
the caller actually does the checks that avoid it, and doesn't pass
down the uninitialized cases.

Now, the other part of the rule is that they only get _used_ for
LOOKUP_RCU cases, where they are used to validate the lookup after
we've finalized things.

Of course, sometimes the "only get used for LOOKUP_RCU" is very very
unclear, because even without being an RCU lookup, step_into() will
save it into nd->inode/seq. So the values were "used", and
initializing them makes them valid, but then *that* copy must not then
be used unless RCU was set.

Also, sometimes the LOOKUP_RCU check is in the caller, and has
actually been cleared, so by the time the actual use comes around, you
just have to trust that it was a RCU lookup (ie
legitimize_links/root()).

So it all seems to work, and this patch then gets rid of one
particular odd case, but I think this patch basically hides the
compiler warning without really clarifying the code or the rules.

Anyway, what I'm building up to here is that I think we should
*document* this a bit more. and then make those initializations then
be about that documentation. I also get the feeling that
"nd->inode/nd->seq" should also be initialized.

Right now we have those quite subtle rules about "set vs use", and
while a lot of the uses are conditional on LOOKUP_RCU, that makes the
code correct, but doesn't solve the "pass uninitialized values as
arguments" case.

I also think it's very unclear when nd->inode/nd->seq are initialized,
and the compiler warning only caught the case where they were *set*
(but by arguments that weren't initialized), but didn't necessarily
catch the case where they weren't set at all in the first place and
then passed around.

End result:

 - I think I'd like path_init() (or set_nameidata) to actually
initialize nd->inode and nd->seq unconditionally too.

   Right now, they get initialized only for that LOOKUP_RCU case.
Pretty much exactly the same issue as the one this patch tries to
solve, except the compiler didn't notice because it's all indirect
through those structure fields and it just didn't track far enough.

 - I suspect it would be good to initialize them to actual invalid
values (rather than NULL/0 - particularly the sequence number)

 - I look at that follow_dotdot*() caller case, and think "that looks
very similar to the lookup_fast() case, but then we have *very*
different initialization rules".

Al - can you please take a quick look?

                    Linus

  reply	other threads:[~2022-07-02 17:31 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 147+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2022-07-01 14:22 [PATCH v4 00/45] Add KernelMemorySanitizer infrastructure Alexander Potapenko
2022-07-01 14:22 ` [PATCH v4 01/45] x86: add missing include to sparsemem.h Alexander Potapenko
2022-07-01 14:22 ` [PATCH v4 02/45] stackdepot: reserve 5 extra bits in depot_stack_handle_t Alexander Potapenko
2022-07-12 14:17   ` Marco Elver
2022-07-01 14:22 ` [PATCH v4 03/45] instrumented.h: allow instrumenting both sides of copy_from_user() Alexander Potapenko
2022-07-12 14:17   ` Marco Elver
2022-07-01 14:22 ` [PATCH v4 04/45] x86: asm: instrument usercopy in get_user() and __put_user_size() Alexander Potapenko
2022-07-02  3:47   ` kernel test robot
2022-07-15 14:03     ` Alexander Potapenko
2022-07-15 14:03       ` Alexander Potapenko
2022-07-02 10:45   ` kernel test robot
2022-07-15 16:44     ` Alexander Potapenko
2022-07-15 16:44       ` Alexander Potapenko
2022-07-02 13:09   ` kernel test robot
2022-07-07 10:13   ` Marco Elver
2022-08-07 17:33     ` Alexander Potapenko
2022-07-01 14:22 ` [PATCH v4 05/45] asm-generic: instrument usercopy in cacheflush.h Alexander Potapenko
2022-07-12 14:17   ` Marco Elver
2022-07-01 14:22 ` [PATCH v4 06/45] kmsan: add ReST documentation Alexander Potapenko
2022-07-07 12:34   ` Marco Elver
2022-07-15  7:42     ` Alexander Potapenko
2022-07-15  8:52       ` Marco Elver
2022-07-01 14:22 ` [PATCH v4 07/45] kmsan: introduce __no_sanitize_memory and __no_kmsan_checks Alexander Potapenko
2022-07-12 14:17   ` Marco Elver
2022-07-01 14:22 ` [PATCH v4 08/45] kmsan: mark noinstr as __no_sanitize_memory Alexander Potapenko
2022-07-12 14:17   ` Marco Elver
2022-07-01 14:22 ` [PATCH v4 09/45] x86: kmsan: pgtable: reduce vmalloc space Alexander Potapenko
2022-07-11 16:12   ` Marco Elver
2022-07-01 14:22 ` [PATCH v4 10/45] libnvdimm/pfn_dev: increase MAX_STRUCT_PAGE_SIZE Alexander Potapenko
2022-07-11 16:26   ` Marco Elver
2022-08-03  9:41     ` Alexander Potapenko
2022-08-03  9:44     ` Alexander Potapenko
2023-01-05 22:08       ` Dan Williams
2023-01-09  9:51         ` Alexander Potapenko
2023-01-09 22:06           ` Dan Williams
2023-01-10  5:56             ` Greg Kroah-Hartman
2023-01-10  6:55               ` Dan Williams
2023-01-10  8:48                 ` Alexander Potapenko
2023-01-10  8:52                   ` Alexander Potapenko
2023-01-10  8:53                   ` Eric Dumazet
2023-01-10  8:55                     ` Christoph Hellwig
2023-01-10 15:35                       ` Steven Rostedt
2023-01-10  9:14                     ` Alexander Potapenko
2023-01-30  8:34         ` Alexander Potapenko
2023-01-30 18:57           ` Dan Williams
2022-07-01 14:22 ` [PATCH v4 11/45] kmsan: add KMSAN runtime core Alexander Potapenko
2022-07-02  0:18   ` Hillf Danton
2022-08-03 17:25     ` Alexander Potapenko
2022-07-11 16:49   ` Marco Elver
2022-08-03 18:14     ` Alexander Potapenko
2022-07-13 10:04   ` Marco Elver
2022-08-03 17:45     ` Alexander Potapenko
2022-07-01 14:22 ` [PATCH v4 12/45] kmsan: disable instrumentation of unsupported common kernel code Alexander Potapenko
2022-07-12 11:54   ` Marco Elver
2022-07-01 14:22 ` [PATCH v4 13/45] MAINTAINERS: add entry for KMSAN Alexander Potapenko
2022-07-12 12:06   ` Marco Elver
2022-08-02 16:39     ` Alexander Potapenko
2022-07-01 14:22 ` [PATCH v4 14/45] mm: kmsan: maintain KMSAN metadata for page operations Alexander Potapenko
2022-07-12 12:20   ` Marco Elver
2022-08-03 10:30     ` Alexander Potapenko
2022-07-01 14:22 ` [PATCH v4 15/45] mm: kmsan: call KMSAN hooks from SLUB code Alexander Potapenko
2022-07-12 13:13   ` Marco Elver
2022-08-02 16:31     ` Alexander Potapenko
2022-07-01 14:22 ` [PATCH v4 16/45] kmsan: handle task creation and exiting Alexander Potapenko
2022-07-12 13:17   ` Marco Elver
2022-08-02 15:47     ` Alexander Potapenko
2022-07-01 14:22 ` [PATCH v4 17/45] init: kmsan: call KMSAN initialization routines Alexander Potapenko
2022-07-12 14:05   ` Marco Elver
2022-08-02 20:07     ` Alexander Potapenko
2022-08-03  9:08       ` Marco Elver
2022-07-01 14:22 ` [PATCH v4 18/45] instrumented.h: add KMSAN support Alexander Potapenko
2022-07-12 13:51   ` Marco Elver
2022-08-03 11:17     ` Alexander Potapenko
2022-07-01 14:22 ` [PATCH v4 19/45] kmsan: unpoison @tlb in arch_tlb_gather_mmu() Alexander Potapenko
2022-07-13  9:28   ` Marco Elver
2022-07-01 14:22 ` [PATCH v4 20/45] kmsan: add iomap support Alexander Potapenko
2022-07-01 14:22 ` [PATCH v4 21/45] Input: libps2: mark data received in __ps2_command() as initialized Alexander Potapenko
2022-07-01 14:22 ` [PATCH v4 22/45] dma: kmsan: unpoison DMA mappings Alexander Potapenko
2022-07-01 14:22 ` [PATCH v4 23/45] virtio: kmsan: check/unpoison scatterlist in vring_map_one_sg() Alexander Potapenko
2022-07-01 14:22 ` [PATCH v4 24/45] kmsan: handle memory sent to/from USB Alexander Potapenko
2022-07-01 14:22 ` [PATCH v4 25/45] kmsan: add tests for KMSAN Alexander Potapenko
2022-07-12 14:16   ` Marco Elver
2022-08-02 17:29     ` Alexander Potapenko
2022-07-01 14:22 ` [PATCH v4 26/45] kmsan: disable strscpy() optimization under KMSAN Alexander Potapenko
2022-07-01 14:22 ` [PATCH v4 27/45] crypto: kmsan: disable accelerated configs " Alexander Potapenko
2022-07-01 14:22 ` [PATCH v4 28/45] kmsan: disable physical page merging in biovec Alexander Potapenko
2022-07-01 14:22 ` [PATCH v4 29/45] block: kmsan: skip bio block merging logic for KMSAN Alexander Potapenko
2022-07-13 10:22   ` Marco Elver
2022-08-02 17:47     ` Alexander Potapenko
2022-07-01 14:22 ` [PATCH v4 30/45] kcov: kmsan: unpoison area->list in kcov_remote_area_put() Alexander Potapenko
2022-07-01 14:22 ` [PATCH v4 31/45] security: kmsan: fix interoperability with auto-initialization Alexander Potapenko
2022-07-01 14:22 ` [PATCH v4 32/45] objtool: kmsan: list KMSAN API functions as uaccess-safe Alexander Potapenko
2022-07-01 14:22 ` [PATCH v4 33/45] x86: kmsan: disable instrumentation of unsupported code Alexander Potapenko
2022-07-12 13:43   ` Marco Elver
2022-08-03 10:52     ` Alexander Potapenko
2022-07-01 14:22 ` [PATCH v4 34/45] x86: kmsan: skip shadow checks in __switch_to() Alexander Potapenko
2022-07-01 14:23 ` [PATCH v4 35/45] x86: kmsan: handle open-coded assembly in lib/iomem.c Alexander Potapenko
2022-07-01 14:23 ` [PATCH v4 36/45] x86: kmsan: use __msan_ string functions where possible Alexander Potapenko
2022-07-01 14:23 ` [PATCH v4 37/45] x86: kmsan: sync metadata pages on page fault Alexander Potapenko
2022-07-01 14:23 ` [PATCH v4 38/45] x86: kasan: kmsan: support CONFIG_GENERIC_CSUM on x86, enable it for KASAN/KMSAN Alexander Potapenko
2022-07-01 14:23 ` [PATCH v4 39/45] x86: fs: kmsan: disable CONFIG_DCACHE_WORD_ACCESS Alexander Potapenko
2022-07-01 14:23 ` [PATCH v4 40/45] x86: kmsan: don't instrument stack walking functions Alexander Potapenko
2022-07-01 14:23 ` [PATCH v4 41/45] entry: kmsan: introduce kmsan_unpoison_entry_regs() Alexander Potapenko
2022-07-01 14:23 ` [PATCH v4 42/45] bpf: kmsan: initialize BPF registers with zeroes Alexander Potapenko
2022-07-01 14:23 ` [PATCH v4 43/45] namei: initialize parameters passed to step_into() Alexander Potapenko
2022-07-02 17:23   ` Linus Torvalds [this message]
2022-07-03  3:59     ` Al Viro
2022-07-04  2:52     ` Al Viro
2022-07-04  8:20       ` Alexander Potapenko
2022-07-04 13:44         ` Al Viro
2022-07-04 13:55           ` Al Viro
2022-07-04 15:49           ` Alexander Potapenko
2022-07-04 16:03             ` Greg Kroah-Hartman
2022-07-04 16:33               ` Alexander Potapenko
2022-07-04 18:23             ` Segher Boessenkool
2022-07-04 16:00           ` Al Viro
2022-07-04 16:47             ` Alexander Potapenko
2022-07-04 17:36       ` Linus Torvalds
2022-07-04 19:02         ` Al Viro
2022-07-04 19:16           ` Linus Torvalds
2022-07-04 19:55             ` Al Viro
2022-07-04 20:24               ` Linus Torvalds
2022-07-04 20:46                 ` Al Viro
2022-07-04 20:51                   ` Linus Torvalds
2022-07-04 21:04                     ` Al Viro
2022-07-04 23:13                       ` [PATCH 1/7] __follow_mount_rcu(): verify that mount_lock remains unchanged Al Viro
2022-07-04 23:14                         ` [PATCH 2/7] follow_dotdot{,_rcu}(): change calling conventions Al Viro
2022-07-04 23:14                         ` [PATCH 3/7] namei: stash the sampled ->d_seq into nameidata Al Viro
2022-07-04 23:15                         ` [PATCH 4/7] step_into(): lose inode argument Al Viro
2022-07-04 23:15                         ` [PATCH 5/7] follow_dotdot{,_rcu}(): don't bother with inode Al Viro
2022-07-04 23:16                         ` [PATCH 6/7] lookup_fast(): " Al Viro
2022-07-04 23:17                         ` [PATCH 7/7] step_into(): move fetching ->d_inode past handle_mounts() Al Viro
2022-07-04 23:19                         ` [PATCH 1/7] __follow_mount_rcu(): verify that mount_lock remains unchanged Al Viro
2022-07-05  0:06                           ` Linus Torvalds
2022-07-05  3:48                             ` Al Viro
2022-07-04 20:47                 ` [PATCH v4 43/45] namei: initialize parameters passed to step_into() Linus Torvalds
2022-08-08 16:37   ` Alexander Potapenko
2022-07-01 14:23 ` [PATCH v4 44/45] mm: fs: initialize fsdata passed to write_begin/write_end interface Alexander Potapenko
2022-07-04 20:07   ` Matthew Wilcox
2022-07-04 20:30     ` Al Viro
2022-08-25 15:39     ` Alexander Potapenko
2022-08-25 16:33       ` Linus Torvalds
2022-08-25 21:57         ` Segher Boessenkool
2022-08-26 19:41           ` Linus Torvalds
2022-08-31 13:32             ` Alexander Potapenko
2022-08-25 22:13         ` Segher Boessenkool
2022-07-01 14:23 ` [PATCH v4 45/45] x86: kmsan: enable KMSAN builds for x86 Alexander Potapenko

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