All of lore.kernel.org
 help / color / mirror / Atom feed
From: Linus Torvalds <torvalds@linux-foundation.org>
To: Yu Zhao <yuzhao@google.com>
Cc: Andrew Morton <akpm@linux-foundation.org>,
	Andi Kleen <ak@linux.intel.com>,
	Catalin Marinas <catalin.marinas@arm.com>,
	Dave Hansen <dave.hansen@linux.intel.com>,
	Hillf Danton <hdanton@sina.com>, Jens Axboe <axboe@kernel.dk>,
	Jesse Barnes <jsbarnes@google.com>,
	Johannes Weiner <hannes@cmpxchg.org>,
	Jonathan Corbet <corbet@lwn.net>,
	Matthew Wilcox <willy@infradead.org>,
	Mel Gorman <mgorman@suse.de>,
	Michael Larabel <Michael@michaellarabel.com>,
	Michal Hocko <mhocko@kernel.org>, Rik van Riel <riel@surriel.com>,
	Vlastimil Babka <vbabka@suse.cz>, Will Deacon <will@kernel.org>,
	Ying Huang <ying.huang@intel.com>,
	Linux ARM <linux-arm-kernel@lists.infradead.org>,
	"open list:DOCUMENTATION" <linux-doc@vger.kernel.org>,
	Linux Kernel Mailing List <linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org>,
	Linux-MM <linux-mm@kvack.org>,
	page-reclaim@google.com,
	"the arch/x86 maintainers" <x86@kernel.org>,
	Konstantin Kharlamov <Hi-Angel@yandex.ru>
Subject: Re: [PATCH v6 9/9] mm: multigenerational lru: Kconfig
Date: Tue, 4 Jan 2022 13:39:49 -0800	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <CAHk-=wjc3vpQfSTzJ8DwCVfmj6Mhq16d375cMPOgFB5A1EL2tw@mail.gmail.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <20220104202227.2903605-10-yuzhao@google.com>

On Tue, Jan 4, 2022 at 12:23 PM Yu Zhao <yuzhao@google.com> wrote:
>
> Add configuration options for the multigenerational lru.
>         def_bool ARCH_HAS_SET_DIRECT_MAP && !EMBEDDED
>
> +config NR_LRU_GENS
> +       int "Max number of generations"
> +       depends on LRU_GEN
> +       range 4 31
> +       default 4
> +       help
> +         This option uses order_base_2(N+1) bits in page flags.
> +
> +         Do not configure more generations than you plan to use. They have a
> +         per-memcg and per-node memory overhead.
> +
> +config TIERS_PER_GEN
> +       int "Number of tiers per generation"
> +       depends on LRU_GEN
> +       range 2 5
> +       default 4
> +       help
> +         This option uses N-2 bits in page flags.
> +
> +         Larger values generally provide better protection for page cache when
> +         under heavy buffered I/O workloads.

These are not appropriate questions to ask users.

No user has any idea what the answer should be. And no, we don't add
"benchmark tuning Kconfig questions" to the kernel. We leave those
kinds of games to companies that need to fake their benchmark numbers.

If *you* can't give a good number for these config options, then no
user or distro can either.

So just pick a number, and stand by it.

Don't do this kind of "I don't know what the right number is, so I'll
just push the blame on the user".

                Linus

WARNING: multiple messages have this Message-ID (diff)
From: Linus Torvalds <torvalds@linux-foundation.org>
To: Yu Zhao <yuzhao@google.com>
Cc: Andrew Morton <akpm@linux-foundation.org>,
	Andi Kleen <ak@linux.intel.com>,
	Catalin Marinas <catalin.marinas@arm.com>,
	Dave Hansen <dave.hansen@linux.intel.com>,
	 Hillf Danton <hdanton@sina.com>, Jens Axboe <axboe@kernel.dk>,
	Jesse Barnes <jsbarnes@google.com>,
	 Johannes Weiner <hannes@cmpxchg.org>,
	Jonathan Corbet <corbet@lwn.net>,
	 Matthew Wilcox <willy@infradead.org>,
	Mel Gorman <mgorman@suse.de>,
	 Michael Larabel <Michael@michaellarabel.com>,
	Michal Hocko <mhocko@kernel.org>, Rik van Riel <riel@surriel.com>,
	Vlastimil Babka <vbabka@suse.cz>, Will Deacon <will@kernel.org>,
	Ying Huang <ying.huang@intel.com>,
	Linux ARM <linux-arm-kernel@lists.infradead.org>,
	 "open list:DOCUMENTATION" <linux-doc@vger.kernel.org>,
	 Linux Kernel Mailing List <linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org>,
	Linux-MM <linux-mm@kvack.org>,
	 page-reclaim@google.com,
	"the arch/x86 maintainers" <x86@kernel.org>,
	 Konstantin Kharlamov <Hi-Angel@yandex.ru>
Subject: Re: [PATCH v6 9/9] mm: multigenerational lru: Kconfig
Date: Tue, 4 Jan 2022 13:39:49 -0800	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <CAHk-=wjc3vpQfSTzJ8DwCVfmj6Mhq16d375cMPOgFB5A1EL2tw@mail.gmail.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <20220104202227.2903605-10-yuzhao@google.com>

On Tue, Jan 4, 2022 at 12:23 PM Yu Zhao <yuzhao@google.com> wrote:
>
> Add configuration options for the multigenerational lru.
>         def_bool ARCH_HAS_SET_DIRECT_MAP && !EMBEDDED
>
> +config NR_LRU_GENS
> +       int "Max number of generations"
> +       depends on LRU_GEN
> +       range 4 31
> +       default 4
> +       help
> +         This option uses order_base_2(N+1) bits in page flags.
> +
> +         Do not configure more generations than you plan to use. They have a
> +         per-memcg and per-node memory overhead.
> +
> +config TIERS_PER_GEN
> +       int "Number of tiers per generation"
> +       depends on LRU_GEN
> +       range 2 5
> +       default 4
> +       help
> +         This option uses N-2 bits in page flags.
> +
> +         Larger values generally provide better protection for page cache when
> +         under heavy buffered I/O workloads.

These are not appropriate questions to ask users.

No user has any idea what the answer should be. And no, we don't add
"benchmark tuning Kconfig questions" to the kernel. We leave those
kinds of games to companies that need to fake their benchmark numbers.

If *you* can't give a good number for these config options, then no
user or distro can either.

So just pick a number, and stand by it.

Don't do this kind of "I don't know what the right number is, so I'll
just push the blame on the user".

                Linus

_______________________________________________
linux-arm-kernel mailing list
linux-arm-kernel@lists.infradead.org
http://lists.infradead.org/mailman/listinfo/linux-arm-kernel

  reply	other threads:[~2022-01-04 21:40 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 223+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2022-01-04 20:22 [PATCH v6 0/9] Multigenerational LRU Framework Yu Zhao
2022-01-04 20:22 ` Yu Zhao
2022-01-04 20:22 ` [PATCH v6 1/9] mm: x86, arm64: add arch_has_hw_pte_young() Yu Zhao
2022-01-04 20:22   ` Yu Zhao
2022-01-05 10:45   ` Will Deacon
2022-01-05 10:45     ` Will Deacon
2022-01-05 20:47     ` Yu Zhao
2022-01-05 20:47       ` Yu Zhao
2022-01-06 10:30       ` Will Deacon
2022-01-06 10:30         ` Will Deacon
2022-01-07  7:25         ` Yu Zhao
2022-01-07  7:25           ` Yu Zhao
2022-01-11 14:19           ` Will Deacon
2022-01-11 14:19             ` Will Deacon
2022-01-11 22:27             ` Yu Zhao
2022-01-11 22:27               ` Yu Zhao
2022-01-04 20:22 ` [PATCH v6 2/9] mm: x86: add CONFIG_ARCH_HAS_NONLEAF_PMD_YOUNG Yu Zhao
2022-01-04 20:22   ` Yu Zhao
2022-01-04 21:24   ` Linus Torvalds
2022-01-04 21:24     ` Linus Torvalds
2022-01-04 20:22 ` [PATCH v6 3/9] mm/vmscan.c: refactor shrink_node() Yu Zhao
2022-01-04 20:22   ` Yu Zhao
2022-01-04 20:22 ` [PATCH v6 4/9] mm: multigenerational lru: groundwork Yu Zhao
2022-01-04 20:22   ` Yu Zhao
2022-01-04 21:34   ` Linus Torvalds
2022-01-04 21:34     ` Linus Torvalds
2022-01-11  8:16   ` Aneesh Kumar K.V
2022-01-11  8:16     ` Aneesh Kumar K.V
2022-01-12  2:16     ` Yu Zhao
2022-01-12  2:16       ` Yu Zhao
2022-01-04 20:22 ` [PATCH v6 5/9] mm: multigenerational lru: mm_struct list Yu Zhao
2022-01-04 20:22   ` Yu Zhao
2022-01-07  9:06   ` Michal Hocko
2022-01-07  9:06     ` Michal Hocko
2022-01-08  0:19     ` Yu Zhao
2022-01-08  0:19       ` Yu Zhao
2022-01-10 15:21       ` Michal Hocko
2022-01-10 15:21         ` Michal Hocko
2022-01-12  8:08         ` Yu Zhao
2022-01-12  8:08           ` Yu Zhao
2022-01-04 20:22 ` [PATCH v6 6/9] mm: multigenerational lru: aging Yu Zhao
2022-01-04 20:22   ` Yu Zhao
2022-01-06 16:06   ` Michal Hocko
2022-01-06 16:06     ` Michal Hocko
2022-01-06 21:27     ` Yu Zhao
2022-01-06 21:27       ` Yu Zhao
2022-01-07  8:43       ` Michal Hocko
2022-01-07  8:43         ` Michal Hocko
2022-01-07 21:12         ` Yu Zhao
2022-01-07 21:12           ` Yu Zhao
2022-01-06 16:12   ` Michal Hocko
2022-01-06 16:12     ` Michal Hocko
2022-01-06 21:41     ` Yu Zhao
2022-01-06 21:41       ` Yu Zhao
2022-01-07  8:55       ` Michal Hocko
2022-01-07  8:55         ` Michal Hocko
2022-01-07  9:00         ` Michal Hocko
2022-01-07  9:00           ` Michal Hocko
2022-01-10  3:58           ` Yu Zhao
2022-01-10  3:58             ` Yu Zhao
2022-01-10 14:37             ` Michal Hocko
2022-01-10 14:37               ` Michal Hocko
2022-01-13  9:43               ` Yu Zhao
2022-01-13  9:43                 ` Yu Zhao
2022-01-13 12:02                 ` Michal Hocko
2022-01-13 12:02                   ` Michal Hocko
2022-01-19  6:31                   ` Yu Zhao
2022-01-19  6:31                     ` Yu Zhao
2022-01-19  9:44                     ` Michal Hocko
2022-01-19  9:44                       ` Michal Hocko
2022-01-10 15:01     ` Michal Hocko
2022-01-10 15:01       ` Michal Hocko
2022-01-10 16:01       ` Vlastimil Babka
2022-01-10 16:01         ` Vlastimil Babka
2022-01-10 16:25         ` Michal Hocko
2022-01-10 16:25           ` Michal Hocko
2022-01-11 23:16       ` Yu Zhao
2022-01-11 23:16         ` Yu Zhao
2022-01-12 10:28         ` Michal Hocko
2022-01-12 10:28           ` Michal Hocko
2022-01-13  9:25           ` Yu Zhao
2022-01-13  9:25             ` Yu Zhao
2022-01-07 13:11   ` Michal Hocko
2022-01-07 13:11     ` Michal Hocko
2022-01-07 23:36     ` Yu Zhao
2022-01-07 23:36       ` Yu Zhao
2022-01-10 15:35       ` Michal Hocko
2022-01-10 15:35         ` Michal Hocko
2022-01-11  1:18         ` Yu Zhao
2022-01-11  1:18           ` Yu Zhao
2022-01-11  9:00           ` Michal Hocko
2022-01-11  9:00             ` Michal Hocko
     [not found]         ` <1641900108.61dd684cb0e59@mail.inbox.lv>
2022-01-11 12:15           ` Michal Hocko
2022-01-11 12:15             ` Michal Hocko
2022-01-13 17:00             ` Alexey Avramov
2022-01-13 17:00               ` Alexey Avramov
2022-01-11 14:22         ` Alexey Avramov
2022-01-11 14:22           ` Alexey Avramov
2022-01-07 14:44   ` Michal Hocko
2022-01-07 14:44     ` Michal Hocko
2022-01-10  4:47     ` Yu Zhao
2022-01-10  4:47       ` Yu Zhao
2022-01-10 10:54       ` Michal Hocko
2022-01-10 10:54         ` Michal Hocko
2022-01-19  7:04         ` Yu Zhao
2022-01-19  7:04           ` Yu Zhao
2022-01-19  9:42           ` Michal Hocko
2022-01-19  9:42             ` Michal Hocko
2022-01-23 21:28             ` Yu Zhao
2022-01-23 21:28               ` Yu Zhao
2022-01-24 14:01               ` Michal Hocko
2022-01-24 14:01                 ` Michal Hocko
2022-01-10 16:57   ` Michal Hocko
2022-01-10 16:57     ` Michal Hocko
2022-01-12  1:01     ` Yu Zhao
2022-01-12  1:01       ` Yu Zhao
2022-01-12 10:17       ` Michal Hocko
2022-01-12 10:17         ` Michal Hocko
2022-01-12 23:43         ` Yu Zhao
2022-01-12 23:43           ` Yu Zhao
2022-01-13 11:57           ` Michal Hocko
2022-01-13 11:57             ` Michal Hocko
2022-01-23 21:40             ` Yu Zhao
2022-01-23 21:40               ` Yu Zhao
2022-01-04 20:22 ` [PATCH v6 7/9] mm: multigenerational lru: eviction Yu Zhao
2022-01-04 20:22   ` Yu Zhao
2022-01-11 10:37   ` Aneesh Kumar K.V
2022-01-11 10:37     ` Aneesh Kumar K.V
2022-01-12  8:05     ` Yu Zhao
2022-01-12  8:05       ` Yu Zhao
2022-01-04 20:22 ` [PATCH v6 8/9] mm: multigenerational lru: user interface Yu Zhao
2022-01-04 20:22   ` Yu Zhao
2022-01-10 10:27   ` Mike Rapoport
2022-01-10 10:27     ` Mike Rapoport
2022-01-12  8:35     ` Yu Zhao
2022-01-12  8:35       ` Yu Zhao
2022-01-12 10:31       ` Michal Hocko
2022-01-12 10:31         ` Michal Hocko
2022-01-12 15:45       ` Mike Rapoport
2022-01-12 15:45         ` Mike Rapoport
2022-01-13  9:47         ` Yu Zhao
2022-01-13  9:47           ` Yu Zhao
2022-01-13 10:31   ` Aneesh Kumar K.V
2022-01-13 10:31     ` Aneesh Kumar K.V
2022-01-13 23:02     ` Yu Zhao
2022-01-13 23:02       ` Yu Zhao
2022-01-14  5:20       ` Aneesh Kumar K.V
2022-01-14  5:20         ` Aneesh Kumar K.V
2022-01-14  6:50         ` Yu Zhao
2022-01-14  6:50           ` Yu Zhao
2022-01-04 20:22 ` [PATCH v6 9/9] mm: multigenerational lru: Kconfig Yu Zhao
2022-01-04 20:22   ` Yu Zhao
2022-01-04 21:39   ` Linus Torvalds [this message]
2022-01-04 21:39     ` Linus Torvalds
2022-01-04 20:22 ` [PATCH v6 0/9] Multigenerational LRU Framework Yu Zhao
2022-01-04 20:30 ` Yu Zhao
2022-01-04 20:30   ` Yu Zhao
2022-01-04 21:43   ` Linus Torvalds
2022-01-04 21:43     ` Linus Torvalds
2022-01-05 21:12     ` Yu Zhao
2022-01-05 21:12       ` Yu Zhao
2022-01-07  9:38   ` Michal Hocko
2022-01-07  9:38     ` Michal Hocko
2022-01-07 18:45     ` Yu Zhao
2022-01-07 18:45       ` Yu Zhao
2022-01-10 15:39       ` Michal Hocko
2022-01-10 15:39         ` Michal Hocko
2022-01-10 22:04         ` Yu Zhao
2022-01-10 22:04           ` Yu Zhao
2022-01-10 22:46           ` Jesse Barnes
2022-01-10 22:46             ` Jesse Barnes
2022-01-11  1:41             ` Linus Torvalds
2022-01-11  1:41               ` Linus Torvalds
2022-01-11 10:40             ` Michal Hocko
2022-01-11 10:40               ` Michal Hocko
2022-01-11  8:41   ` Yu Zhao
2022-01-11  8:41     ` Yu Zhao
2022-01-11  8:53     ` Holger Hoffstätte
2022-01-11  8:53       ` Holger Hoffstätte
2022-01-11  9:26     ` Jan Alexander Steffens (heftig)
2022-01-11 16:04     ` Shuang Zhai
2022-01-11 16:04       ` Shuang Zhai
2022-01-12  1:46     ` Suleiman Souhlal
2022-01-12  1:46       ` Suleiman Souhlal
2022-01-12  6:07     ` Sofia Trinh
2022-01-12  6:07       ` Sofia Trinh
2022-01-12 16:17       ` Daniel Byrne
2022-01-18  9:21     ` Yu Zhao
2022-01-18  9:21       ` Yu Zhao
2022-01-18  9:36     ` Donald Carr
2022-01-18  9:36       ` Donald Carr
2022-01-19 20:19     ` Steven Barrett
2022-01-19 20:19       ` Steven Barrett
2022-01-19 22:25     ` Brian Geffon
2022-01-19 22:25       ` Brian Geffon
2022-01-05  2:44 ` Shuang Zhai
2022-01-05  2:44   ` Shuang Zhai
2022-01-05  8:55 ` SeongJae Park
2022-01-05  8:55   ` SeongJae Park
2022-01-05 10:53   ` Yu Zhao
2022-01-05 10:53     ` Yu Zhao
2022-01-05 11:12     ` Borislav Petkov
2022-01-05 11:12       ` Borislav Petkov
2022-01-05 11:25     ` SeongJae Park
2022-01-05 11:25       ` SeongJae Park
2022-01-05 21:06       ` Yu Zhao
2022-01-05 21:06         ` Yu Zhao
2022-01-10 14:49 ` Alexey Avramov
2022-01-10 14:49   ` Alexey Avramov
2022-01-11 10:24 ` Alexey Avramov
2022-01-11 10:24   ` Alexey Avramov
2022-01-12 20:56 ` Oleksandr Natalenko
2022-01-12 20:56   ` Oleksandr Natalenko
2022-01-13  8:59   ` Yu Zhao
2022-01-13  8:59     ` Yu Zhao
2022-01-23  5:43 ` Barry Song
2022-01-23  5:43   ` Barry Song
2022-01-25  6:48   ` Yu Zhao
2022-01-25  6:48     ` Yu Zhao
2022-01-28  8:54     ` Barry Song
2022-01-28  8:54       ` Barry Song
2022-02-08  9:16       ` Yu Zhao
2022-02-08  9:16         ` Yu Zhao

Reply instructions:

You may reply publicly to this message via plain-text email
using any one of the following methods:

* Save the following mbox file, import it into your mail client,
  and reply-to-all from there: mbox

  Avoid top-posting and favor interleaved quoting:
  https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Posting_style#Interleaved_style

* Reply using the --to, --cc, and --in-reply-to
  switches of git-send-email(1):

  git send-email \
    --in-reply-to='CAHk-=wjc3vpQfSTzJ8DwCVfmj6Mhq16d375cMPOgFB5A1EL2tw@mail.gmail.com' \
    --to=torvalds@linux-foundation.org \
    --cc=Hi-Angel@yandex.ru \
    --cc=Michael@michaellarabel.com \
    --cc=ak@linux.intel.com \
    --cc=akpm@linux-foundation.org \
    --cc=axboe@kernel.dk \
    --cc=catalin.marinas@arm.com \
    --cc=corbet@lwn.net \
    --cc=dave.hansen@linux.intel.com \
    --cc=hannes@cmpxchg.org \
    --cc=hdanton@sina.com \
    --cc=jsbarnes@google.com \
    --cc=linux-arm-kernel@lists.infradead.org \
    --cc=linux-doc@vger.kernel.org \
    --cc=linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org \
    --cc=linux-mm@kvack.org \
    --cc=mgorman@suse.de \
    --cc=mhocko@kernel.org \
    --cc=page-reclaim@google.com \
    --cc=riel@surriel.com \
    --cc=vbabka@suse.cz \
    --cc=will@kernel.org \
    --cc=willy@infradead.org \
    --cc=x86@kernel.org \
    --cc=ying.huang@intel.com \
    --cc=yuzhao@google.com \
    /path/to/YOUR_REPLY

  https://kernel.org/pub/software/scm/git/docs/git-send-email.html

* If your mail client supports setting the In-Reply-To header
  via mailto: links, try the mailto: link
Be sure your reply has a Subject: header at the top and a blank line before the message body.
This is an external index of several public inboxes,
see mirroring instructions on how to clone and mirror
all data and code used by this external index.