Programming the boundary between Inner and Outer caches on ARM architecture

Programming the boundary between Inner and Outer caches on ARM architecture

[Bhaskara rao Budiredla]

Hi - can someone please provide the register details to configure the
boundary between Inner and Outer caches? In a three level cache
system, it is desired to apply Inner cacheable attributes to level 1
cache and Outer cacheable attributes to level two & level three
caches.

Thanks,
Bhaskara.

Programming the boundary between Inner and Outer caches on ARM architecture

[Catalin Marinas]

On Thu, Apr 09, 2015 at 09:45:08PM +0530, Bhaskara rao Budiredla wrote:
> Hi - can someone please provide the register details to configure the
> boundary between Inner and Outer caches? In a three level cache
> system, it is desired to apply Inner cacheable attributes to level 1
> cache and Outer cacheable attributes to level two & level three
> caches.

Who told you that?

-- 
Catalin

Programming the boundary between Inner and Outer caches on ARM architecture

[Bhaskara rao Budiredla]

Hi Catalin - The above said desired configuration was with respect to
a specific requirement of mine on Cortex A15. Seems it is confusing.
Let me give you the complete details. Along with PRRR/NMRR registers,
I am using [TEX[0], C, B] to configure the memory system attributes.
The inner cacheable attribute of NMRR normal memory region is
"write-back, write-allocate" and the corresponding outer cacheable
attribute is "write-back, no write-allocate". Since the lowest level
(level zero) cache defaults to inner cacheable attribute and the
highest level (level two) defaults to outer cacheable attribute, level
one cache is the remaining that I need to program explicitly. Hence
the requirement to configure the boundary between the inner and outer
cacheable attributes to group the level one cache either with level
zero (or) level two.

1. I am unable to find the register name that can be used for the
above said purpose from Cortex A15 documentation. Please help me in
providing that register details, if there is any such register (or)
some other procedure by which the same can be achieved.
2. Configuration of the boundary between inner and outer caches is not
needed for a system where in the inner and outer cacheable attributes
are same. Does the current Linux kernel for ARM architecture assumes
this?

NOTE: The Normal memory of PRRR in my case is configured as Outer Shareable.

Thanks,
Bhaskara

On Mon, Apr 20, 2015 at 3:31 PM, Catalin Marinas
<catalin.marinas@arm.com> wrote:
> On Thu, Apr 09, 2015 at 09:45:08PM +0530, Bhaskara rao Budiredla wrote:
>> Hi - can someone please provide the register details to configure the
>> boundary between Inner and Outer caches? In a three level cache
>> system, it is desired to apply Inner cacheable attributes to level 1
>> cache and Outer cacheable attributes to level two & level three
>> caches.
>
> Who told you that?
>
> --
> Catalin



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Programming the boundary between Inner and Outer caches on ARM architecture

[Catalin Marinas]

On Tue, Apr 21, 2015 at 12:23:17AM +0530, Bhaskara rao Budiredla wrote:
> Hi Catalin - The above said desired configuration was with respect to
> a specific requirement of mine on Cortex A15. Seems it is confusing.
> Let me give you the complete details. Along with PRRR/NMRR registers,
> I am using [TEX[0], C, B] to configure the memory system attributes.
> The inner cacheable attribute of NMRR normal memory region is
> "write-back, write-allocate" and the corresponding outer cacheable
> attribute is "write-back, no write-allocate".

Any reason why they need to be different or that's just what Linux
writes in NMRR?

> Since the lowest level
> (level zero) cache defaults to inner cacheable attribute and the
> highest level (level two) defaults to outer cacheable attribute,

Why do you say that level two defaults to outer cacheable? Actually,
what do you mean by zero, one, two? Are these the indices in the CLIDR?
Cortex-A15 has two levels of cache, one and two, both treated as inner.

> level one cache is the remaining that I need to program explicitly.
> Hence the requirement to configure the boundary between the inner and
> outer cacheable attributes to group the level one cache either with
> level zero (or) level two.

IIRC, the only CPU where we could configure this was Cortex-A8 via the
L2ACTLR register ("L2 inner" bit) and from some past discussions, we
wanted this to be treated as inner cache:

http://lists.infradead.org/pipermail/linux-arm-kernel/2012-January/082561.html

(in Linux, we call outer cache some cache that needs separate
maintenance by PA like the PL310)

> 1. I am unable to find the register name that can be used for the
> above said purpose from Cortex A15 documentation. Please help me in
> providing that register details, if there is any such register (or)
> some other procedure by which the same can be achieved.

No such configuration. L1 and L2 caches are inner on A15.

> 2. Configuration of the boundary between inner and outer caches is not
> needed for a system where in the inner and outer cacheable attributes
> are same. Does the current Linux kernel for ARM architecture assumes
> this?

The outer attributes are sent on the bus in case you have an L3 cache.
In general, I would set both inner and outer attributes the same. I
don't understand what your "specific requirement" is.

-- 
Catalin

Programming the boundary between Inner and Outer caches on ARM architecture

[Bhaskara rao Budiredla]

Thanks very much Catalin for the help. Please find my comments in line.


> Hi Catalin - The above said desired configuration was with respect to
> a specific requirement of mine on Cortex A15. Seems it is confusing.
> Let me give you the complete details. Along with PRRR/NMRR registers,
> I am using [TEX[0], C, B] to configure the memory system attributes.
> The inner cacheable attribute of NMRR normal memory region is
> "write-back, write-allocate" and the corresponding outer cacheable
> attribute is "write-back, no write-allocate".

Any reason why they need to be different or that's just what Linux
writes in NMRR?
[Bhaskara] I am not sure why those are different. During Linux kernel
booting, I wrote a function to read the contents of NMRR in
build_mem_type_table( ) function. May be I need to sync up with boot
loader folks to check why those are set up with different cacheable
attributes. This difference was the reason to start this thread.

> Since the lowest level
> (level zero) cache defaults to inner cacheable attribute and the
> highest level (level two) defaults to outer cacheable attribute,

Why do you say that level two defaults to outer cacheable? Actually,
what do you mean by zero, one, two? Are these the indices in the CLIDR?
Cortex-A15 has two levels of cache, one and two, both treated as inner.
[Bhaskara] It was my miss understanding. My apologies for that. Yes, I
was referring to CLIDR indices, same as L1, L2 and L3 caches.

> level one cache is the remaining that I need to program explicitly.
> Hence the requirement to configure the boundary between the inner and
> outer cacheable attributes to group the level one cache either with
> level zero (or) level two.

IIRC, the only CPU where we could configure this was Cortex-A8 via the
L2ACTLR register ("L2 inner" bit) and from some past discussions, we
wanted this to be treated as inner cache:

http://lists.infradead.org/pipermail/linux-arm-kernel/2012-January/082561.html

(in Linux, we call outer cache some cache that needs separate
maintenance by PA like the PL310)

> 1. I am unable to find the register name that can be used for the
> above said purpose from Cortex A15 documentation. Please help me in
> providing that register details, if there is any such register (or)
> some other procedure by which the same can be achieved.

No such configuration. L1 and L2 caches are inner on A15.
[Bhaskara] I see, this is the reason why there is no such
configuration on Cortex v7

> 2. Configuration of the boundary between inner and outer caches is not
> needed for a system where in the inner and outer cacheable attributes
> are same. Does the current Linux kernel for ARM architecture assumes
> this?

The outer attributes are sent on the bus in case you have an L3 cache.
In general, I would set both inner and outer attributes the same. I
don't understand what your "specific requirement" is.
[Bhaskara]


On Tue, Apr 21, 2015 at 4:30 PM, Catalin Marinas
<catalin.marinas@arm.com> wrote:
> On Tue, Apr 21, 2015 at 12:23:17AM +0530, Bhaskara rao Budiredla wrote:
>> Hi Catalin - The above said desired configuration was with respect to
>> a specific requirement of mine on Cortex A15. Seems it is confusing.
>> Let me give you the complete details. Along with PRRR/NMRR registers,
>> I am using [TEX[0], C, B] to configure the memory system attributes.
>> The inner cacheable attribute of NMRR normal memory region is
>> "write-back, write-allocate" and the corresponding outer cacheable
>> attribute is "write-back, no write-allocate".
>
> Any reason why they need to be different or that's just what Linux
> writes in NMRR?
>
>> Since the lowest level
>> (level zero) cache defaults to inner cacheable attribute and the
>> highest level (level two) defaults to outer cacheable attribute,
>
> Why do you say that level two defaults to outer cacheable? Actually,
> what do you mean by zero, one, two? Are these the indices in the CLIDR?
> Cortex-A15 has two levels of cache, one and two, both treated as inner.
>
>> level one cache is the remaining that I need to program explicitly.
>> Hence the requirement to configure the boundary between the inner and
>> outer cacheable attributes to group the level one cache either with
>> level zero (or) level two.
>
> IIRC, the only CPU where we could configure this was Cortex-A8 via the
> L2ACTLR register ("L2 inner" bit) and from some past discussions, we
> wanted this to be treated as inner cache:
>
> http://lists.infradead.org/pipermail/linux-arm-kernel/2012-January/082561.html
>
> (in Linux, we call outer cache some cache that needs separate
> maintenance by PA like the PL310)
>
>> 1. I am unable to find the register name that can be used for the
>> above said purpose from Cortex A15 documentation. Please help me in
>> providing that register details, if there is any such register (or)
>> some other procedure by which the same can be achieved.
>
> No such configuration. L1 and L2 caches are inner on A15.
>
>> 2. Configuration of the boundary between inner and outer caches is not
>> needed for a system where in the inner and outer cacheable attributes
>> are same. Does the current Linux kernel for ARM architecture assumes
>> this?
>
> The outer attributes are sent on the bus in case you have an L3 cache.
> In general, I would set both inner and outer attributes the same. I
> don't understand what your "specific requirement" is.
>
> --
> Catalin



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Programming the boundary between Inner and Outer caches on ARM architecture

[Bhaskara rao Budiredla]

Hi Ctalin - by mistake I pressed the send button. The remaining
comments are added in line.


> 1. I am unable to find the register name that can be used for the
> above said purpose from Cortex A15 documentation. Please help me in
> providing that register details, if there is any such register (or)
> some other procedure by which the same can be achieved.

No such configuration. L1 and L2 caches are inner on A15.
[Bhaskara] I see, this is the reason why there is no such
configuration needed on Cortex A series processors. All of them
(including Cortex- A53/A57/A72) are configured for L1 and L2 caches
with inner cacheable attribute.

> 2. Configuration of the boundary between inner and outer caches is not
> needed for a system where in the inner and outer cacheable attributes
> are same. Does the current Linux kernel for ARM architecture assumes
> this?

The outer attributes are sent on the bus in case you have an L3 cache.
In general, I would set both inner and outer attributes the same. I
don't understand what your "specific requirement" is.
[Bhaskara] For all the Cortex-A series processors the CLIDR[8:6] bits
set to b000, which indicates the type of cache implemented at level 3
as "No Cache". Is this not an issue if any specific silicon vendor
wants to integrate L3 cache on his/her SOC along with Coretx-Axx
processor?

Thanks,
Bhaskara

On Thu, Apr 23, 2015 at 12:12 AM, Bhaskara rao Budiredla
<bhaskarbudiredla@gmail.com> wrote:
> Thanks very much Catalin for the help. Please find my comments in line.
>
>
>> Hi Catalin - The above said desired configuration was with respect to
>> a specific requirement of mine on Cortex A15. Seems it is confusing.
>> Let me give you the complete details. Along with PRRR/NMRR registers,
>> I am using [TEX[0], C, B] to configure the memory system attributes.
>> The inner cacheable attribute of NMRR normal memory region is
>> "write-back, write-allocate" and the corresponding outer cacheable
>> attribute is "write-back, no write-allocate".
>
> Any reason why they need to be different or that's just what Linux
> writes in NMRR?
> [Bhaskara] I am not sure why those are different. During Linux kernel
> booting, I wrote a function to read the contents of NMRR in
> build_mem_type_table( ) function. May be I need to sync up with boot
> loader folks to check why those are set up with different cacheable
> attributes. This difference was the reason to start this thread.
>
>> Since the lowest level
>> (level zero) cache defaults to inner cacheable attribute and the
>> highest level (level two) defaults to outer cacheable attribute,
>
> Why do you say that level two defaults to outer cacheable? Actually,
> what do you mean by zero, one, two? Are these the indices in the CLIDR?
> Cortex-A15 has two levels of cache, one and two, both treated as inner.
> [Bhaskara] It was my miss understanding. My apologies for that. Yes, I
> was referring to CLIDR indices, same as L1, L2 and L3 caches.
>
>> level one cache is the remaining that I need to program explicitly.
>> Hence the requirement to configure the boundary between the inner and
>> outer cacheable attributes to group the level one cache either with
>> level zero (or) level two.
>
> IIRC, the only CPU where we could configure this was Cortex-A8 via the
> L2ACTLR register ("L2 inner" bit) and from some past discussions, we
> wanted this to be treated as inner cache:
>
> http://lists.infradead.org/pipermail/linux-arm-kernel/2012-January/082561.html
>
> (in Linux, we call outer cache some cache that needs separate
> maintenance by PA like the PL310)
>
>> 1. I am unable to find the register name that can be used for the
>> above said purpose from Cortex A15 documentation. Please help me in
>> providing that register details, if there is any such register (or)
>> some other procedure by which the same can be achieved.
>
> No such configuration. L1 and L2 caches are inner on A15.
> [Bhaskara] I see, this is the reason why there is no such
> configuration on Cortex v7
>
>> 2. Configuration of the boundary between inner and outer caches is not
>> needed for a system where in the inner and outer cacheable attributes
>> are same. Does the current Linux kernel for ARM architecture assumes
>> this?
>
> The outer attributes are sent on the bus in case you have an L3 cache.
> In general, I would set both inner and outer attributes the same. I
> don't understand what your "specific requirement" is.
> [Bhaskara]
>
>
> On Tue, Apr 21, 2015 at 4:30 PM, Catalin Marinas
> <catalin.marinas@arm.com> wrote:
>> On Tue, Apr 21, 2015 at 12:23:17AM +0530, Bhaskara rao Budiredla wrote:
>>> Hi Catalin - The above said desired configuration was with respect to
>>> a specific requirement of mine on Cortex A15. Seems it is confusing.
>>> Let me give you the complete details. Along with PRRR/NMRR registers,
>>> I am using [TEX[0], C, B] to configure the memory system attributes.
>>> The inner cacheable attribute of NMRR normal memory region is
>>> "write-back, write-allocate" and the corresponding outer cacheable
>>> attribute is "write-back, no write-allocate".
>>
>> Any reason why they need to be different or that's just what Linux
>> writes in NMRR?
>>
>>> Since the lowest level
>>> (level zero) cache defaults to inner cacheable attribute and the
>>> highest level (level two) defaults to outer cacheable attribute,
>>
>> Why do you say that level two defaults to outer cacheable? Actually,
>> what do you mean by zero, one, two? Are these the indices in the CLIDR?
>> Cortex-A15 has two levels of cache, one and two, both treated as inner.
>>
>>> level one cache is the remaining that I need to program explicitly.
>>> Hence the requirement to configure the boundary between the inner and
>>> outer cacheable attributes to group the level one cache either with
>>> level zero (or) level two.
>>
>> IIRC, the only CPU where we could configure this was Cortex-A8 via the
>> L2ACTLR register ("L2 inner" bit) and from some past discussions, we
>> wanted this to be treated as inner cache:
>>
>> http://lists.infradead.org/pipermail/linux-arm-kernel/2012-January/082561.html
>>
>> (in Linux, we call outer cache some cache that needs separate
>> maintenance by PA like the PL310)
>>
>>> 1. I am unable to find the register name that can be used for the
>>> above said purpose from Cortex A15 documentation. Please help me in
>>> providing that register details, if there is any such register (or)
>>> some other procedure by which the same can be achieved.
>>
>> No such configuration. L1 and L2 caches are inner on A15.
>>
>>> 2. Configuration of the boundary between inner and outer caches is not
>>> needed for a system where in the inner and outer cacheable attributes
>>> are same. Does the current Linux kernel for ARM architecture assumes
>>> this?
>>
>> The outer attributes are sent on the bus in case you have an L3 cache.
>> In general, I would set both inner and outer attributes the same. I
>> don't understand what your "specific requirement" is.
>>
>> --
>> Catalin
>
>
>
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[Catalin Marinas]

On Thu, Apr 23, 2015 at 12:39:02AM +0530, Bhaskara rao Budiredla wrote:
> > > 2. Configuration of the boundary between inner and outer caches is not
> > > needed for a system where in the inner and outer cacheable attributes
> > > are same. Does the current Linux kernel for ARM architecture assumes
> > > this?
> > 
> > The outer attributes are sent on the bus in case you have an L3 cache.
> > In general, I would set both inner and outer attributes the same. I
> > don't understand what your "specific requirement" is.
> 
> [Bhaskara] For all the Cortex-A series processors the CLIDR[8:6] bits
> set to b000, which indicates the type of cache implemented at level 3
> as "No Cache". Is this not an issue if any specific silicon vendor
> wants to integrate L3 cache on his/her SOC along with Coretx-Axx
> processor?

It's not a problem as long as the operating system does not need to know
about such L3 cache (it transparently handles cache maintenance by VA
issued by the CPU). One thing is the cache maintenance by set/way but we
are removing this from the kernel altogether since it isn't a safe
operation. The SoC-specific firmware would need to handle it
appropriately for boot or power management. I am aware of at least one
such L3 implementation (the Applied Micro ARMv8 CPU).

The ARMv8 ARM (revision E) also has a section on system level caches and
expected behaviour: D3.4.11

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Catalin

Programming the boundary between Inner and Outer caches on ARM architecture

[Russell King - ARM Linux]

On Thu, Apr 23, 2015 at 12:12:34AM +0530, Bhaskara rao Budiredla wrote:
> I am not sure why those are different. During Linux kernel
> booting, I wrote a function to read the contents of NMRR in
> build_mem_type_table( ) function. May be I need to sync up with boot
> loader folks to check why those are set up with different cacheable
> attributes. This difference was the reason to start this thread.

NMRR is set by the Linux kernel.  Anything that the boot loader does is
overwritten during the very early kernel boot.

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Programming the boundary between Inner and Outer caches on ARM architecture

[Bhaskara rao Budiredla]

Thanks Russell for the direction. Then the bug is somewhere within the
assembly source file head.s and must be specific to my local code
base. Got it!!

Thanks,
Bhaskara

On Thu, Apr 23, 2015 at 3:23 PM, Russell King - ARM Linux
<linux@arm.linux.org.uk> wrote:
> On Thu, Apr 23, 2015 at 12:12:34AM +0530, Bhaskara rao Budiredla wrote:
>> I am not sure why those are different. During Linux kernel
>> booting, I wrote a function to read the contents of NMRR in
>> build_mem_type_table( ) function. May be I need to sync up with boot
>> loader folks to check why those are set up with different cacheable
>> attributes. This difference was the reason to start this thread.
>
> NMRR is set by the Linux kernel.  Anything that the boot loader does is
> overwritten during the very early kernel boot.
>
> --
> FTTC broadband for 0.8mile line: currently at 10.5Mbps down 400kbps up
> according to speedtest.net.



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