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From: Thomas Garnier <thgarnie@google.com>
To: Mark Rutland <mark.rutland@arm.com>
Cc: "David Howells" <dhowells@redhat.com>,
	"Dave Hansen" <dave.hansen@intel.com>,
	"Arnd Bergmann" <arnd@arndb.de>,
	"Al Viro" <viro@zeniv.linux.org.uk>,
	"René Nyffenegger" <mail@renenyffenegger.ch>,
	"Andrew Morton" <akpm@linux-foundation.org>,
	"Kees Cook" <keescook@chromium.org>,
	"Paul E . McKenney" <paulmck@linux.vnet.ibm.com>,
	"David S . Miller" <davem@davemloft.net>,
	"Andy Lutomirski" <luto@kernel.org>,
	"Ard Biesheuvel" <ard.biesheuvel@linaro.org>,
	"Nicolas Pitre" <nicolas.pitre@linaro.org>,
	"Petr Mladek" <pmladek@suse.com>,
	"Sebastian Andrzej Siewior" <bigeasy@linutronix.de>,
	"Sergey Senozhatsky" <sergey.senozhatsky@gmail.com>,
	"Helge Deller" <deller@gmx.de>, "Rik van Riel" <riel@redhat.com>,
	"Ingo Molnar" <mingo@kernel.org>,
	"Oleg Nesterov" <oleg@redhat.com>,
	"John Stultz" <john.stultz@linaro.org>,
	"Thomas Gleixner" <tglx@linutronix.de>,
	"Pavel Tikhomirov" <ptikhomirov@virtuozzo.com>
Subject: Re: [PATCH v2 4/4] arm64/syscalls: Specific usage of verify_pre_usermode_state
Date: Thu, 9 Mar 2017 08:19:31 -0800	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <CAJcbSZFbcGrAEoV8KpYKH-6PgpFDQ-cBt_P7MqX2_hShAPjvvg@mail.gmail.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <20170309160551.GC11966@leverpostej>

On Thu, Mar 9, 2017 at 8:05 AM, Mark Rutland <mark.rutland@arm.com> wrote:
> On Thu, Mar 09, 2017 at 07:56:49AM -0800, Thomas Garnier wrote:
>> On Thu, Mar 9, 2017 at 4:23 AM, Mark Rutland <mark.rutland@arm.com> wrote:
>> > We generally stick to lower case for the arm64 assembly macros. If we
>> > need this, we should stick to the existing convention.
>> >
>> >> +/* Similar to set_fs(USER_DS) in verify_pre_usermode_state without a warning. */
>> >> +.macro VERIFY_PRE_USERMODE_STATE
>> >> +     mov     x1, #TASK_SIZE_64
>> >> +     str     x1, [tsk, #TSK_TI_ADDR_LIMIT]
>> >> +.endm
>> >
>> > We need arm64's set_fs() to configure UAO, too, so this is much weaker
>> > than set_fs(), and will leave __{get,put}_user and
>> > __copy_{to,from}_user() able to access kernel memory.
>> >
>> > We don't currently have an asm helper to clear UAO, and unconditionally
>> > poking that on exception return is liable to be somewhat expensive.
>> >
>> > Also, given we're only trying to catch this in syscalls, I'm afraid I
>> > don't see what we gain by doing this in the entry assembly.
>>
>> I optimized all architectures from the arm (32-bit) discussion. I will
>> come back to a simple bl to the verify function. Thanks!
>
> What I was trying to ask was do we need to touch the assembly at all
> here?

You don't but he generic solution add code to every single syscall.

> Are we trying to protect the non-syscall cases by doing this in
> assembly? If so, it'd be worth calling out in the commit message.

It is an added benefit but not required.

> If so, we could add the necessary helper to clear UAO.

I can look at set_fs and fix it on the next iteraiton.

> If not, doing this in the entry assembly only saves the small overhead
> of reading and comparing the addr_limit for in-kernel use of the
> syscalls (e.g. in the compat wrappers), and we may as well rely on the
> common !ARCH_NO_SYSCALL_VERIFY_PRE_USERMODE_STATE implementation.

You also don't have the code added for each syscall and a call.

>
> Thanks,
> Mark.



-- 
Thomas

WARNING: multiple messages have this Message-ID (diff)
From: thgarnie@google.com (Thomas Garnier)
To: linux-arm-kernel@lists.infradead.org
Subject: [PATCH v2 4/4] arm64/syscalls: Specific usage of verify_pre_usermode_state
Date: Thu, 9 Mar 2017 08:19:31 -0800	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <CAJcbSZFbcGrAEoV8KpYKH-6PgpFDQ-cBt_P7MqX2_hShAPjvvg@mail.gmail.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <20170309160551.GC11966@leverpostej>

On Thu, Mar 9, 2017 at 8:05 AM, Mark Rutland <mark.rutland@arm.com> wrote:
> On Thu, Mar 09, 2017 at 07:56:49AM -0800, Thomas Garnier wrote:
>> On Thu, Mar 9, 2017 at 4:23 AM, Mark Rutland <mark.rutland@arm.com> wrote:
>> > We generally stick to lower case for the arm64 assembly macros. If we
>> > need this, we should stick to the existing convention.
>> >
>> >> +/* Similar to set_fs(USER_DS) in verify_pre_usermode_state without a warning. */
>> >> +.macro VERIFY_PRE_USERMODE_STATE
>> >> +     mov     x1, #TASK_SIZE_64
>> >> +     str     x1, [tsk, #TSK_TI_ADDR_LIMIT]
>> >> +.endm
>> >
>> > We need arm64's set_fs() to configure UAO, too, so this is much weaker
>> > than set_fs(), and will leave __{get,put}_user and
>> > __copy_{to,from}_user() able to access kernel memory.
>> >
>> > We don't currently have an asm helper to clear UAO, and unconditionally
>> > poking that on exception return is liable to be somewhat expensive.
>> >
>> > Also, given we're only trying to catch this in syscalls, I'm afraid I
>> > don't see what we gain by doing this in the entry assembly.
>>
>> I optimized all architectures from the arm (32-bit) discussion. I will
>> come back to a simple bl to the verify function. Thanks!
>
> What I was trying to ask was do we need to touch the assembly at all
> here?

You don't but he generic solution add code to every single syscall.

> Are we trying to protect the non-syscall cases by doing this in
> assembly? If so, it'd be worth calling out in the commit message.

It is an added benefit but not required.

> If so, we could add the necessary helper to clear UAO.

I can look at set_fs and fix it on the next iteraiton.

> If not, doing this in the entry assembly only saves the small overhead
> of reading and comparing the addr_limit for in-kernel use of the
> syscalls (e.g. in the compat wrappers), and we may as well rely on the
> common !ARCH_NO_SYSCALL_VERIFY_PRE_USERMODE_STATE implementation.

You also don't have the code added for each syscall and a call.

>
> Thanks,
> Mark.



-- 
Thomas

WARNING: multiple messages have this Message-ID (diff)
From: Thomas Garnier <thgarnie@google.com>
To: Mark Rutland <mark.rutland@arm.com>
Cc: "David Howells" <dhowells@redhat.com>,
	"Dave Hansen" <dave.hansen@intel.com>,
	"Arnd Bergmann" <arnd@arndb.de>,
	"Al Viro" <viro@zeniv.linux.org.uk>,
	"René Nyffenegger" <mail@renenyffenegger.ch>,
	"Andrew Morton" <akpm@linux-foundation.org>,
	"Kees Cook" <keescook@chromium.org>,
	"Paul E . McKenney" <paulmck@linux.vnet.ibm.com>,
	"David S . Miller" <davem@davemloft.net>,
	"Andy Lutomirski" <luto@kernel.org>,
	"Ard Biesheuvel" <ard.biesheuvel@linaro.org>,
	"Nicolas Pitre" <nicolas.pitre@linaro.org>,
	"Petr Mladek" <pmladek@suse.com>,
	"Sebastian Andrzej Siewior" <bigeasy@linutronix.de>,
	"Sergey Senozhatsky" <sergey.senozhatsky@gmail.com>,
	"Helge Deller" <deller@gmx.de>, "Rik van Riel" <riel@redhat.com>,
	"Ingo Molnar" <mingo@kernel.org>,
	"Oleg Nesterov" <oleg@redhat.com>,
	"John Stultz" <john.stultz@linaro.org>,
	"Thomas Gleixner" <tglx@linutronix.de>,
	"Pavel Tikhomirov" <ptikhomirov@virtuozzo.com>,
	"Frederic Weisbecker" <fweisbec@gmail.com>,
	"Stephen Smalley" <sds@tycho.nsa.gov>,
	"Stanislav Kinsburskiy" <skinsbursky@virtuozzo.com>,
	"Ingo Molnar" <mingo@redhat.com>,
	"H . Peter Anvin" <hpa@zytor.com>,
	"Paolo Bonzini" <pbonzini@redhat.com>,
	"Borislav Petkov" <bp@alien8.de>,
	"Josh Poimboeuf" <jpoimboe@redhat.com>,
	"Brian Gerst" <brgerst@gmail.com>,
	"Jan Beulich" <JBeulich@suse.com>,
	"Christian Borntraeger" <borntraeger@de.ibm.com>,
	"Luis R . Rodriguez" <mcgrof@kernel.org>,
	"He Chen" <he.chen@linux.intel.com>,
	"Russell King" <linux@armlinux.org.uk>,
	"Will Deacon" <will.deacon@arm.com>,
	"Catalin Marinas" <catalin.marinas@arm.com>,
	"James Morse" <james.morse@arm.com>,
	"Pratyush Anand" <panand@redhat.com>,
	"Vladimir Murzin" <vladimir.murzin@arm.com>,
	"Chris Metcalf" <cmetcalf@mellanox.com>,
	"Andre Przywara" <andre.przywara@arm.com>,
	"Linux API" <linux-api@vger.kernel.org>,
	LKML <linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org>,
	"the arch/x86 maintainers" <x86@kernel.org>,
	linux-arm-kernel@lists.infradead.org,
	"Kernel Hardening" <kernel-hardening@lists.openwall.com>
Subject: [kernel-hardening] Re: [PATCH v2 4/4] arm64/syscalls: Specific usage of verify_pre_usermode_state
Date: Thu, 9 Mar 2017 08:19:31 -0800	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <CAJcbSZFbcGrAEoV8KpYKH-6PgpFDQ-cBt_P7MqX2_hShAPjvvg@mail.gmail.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <20170309160551.GC11966@leverpostej>

On Thu, Mar 9, 2017 at 8:05 AM, Mark Rutland <mark.rutland@arm.com> wrote:
> On Thu, Mar 09, 2017 at 07:56:49AM -0800, Thomas Garnier wrote:
>> On Thu, Mar 9, 2017 at 4:23 AM, Mark Rutland <mark.rutland@arm.com> wrote:
>> > We generally stick to lower case for the arm64 assembly macros. If we
>> > need this, we should stick to the existing convention.
>> >
>> >> +/* Similar to set_fs(USER_DS) in verify_pre_usermode_state without a warning. */
>> >> +.macro VERIFY_PRE_USERMODE_STATE
>> >> +     mov     x1, #TASK_SIZE_64
>> >> +     str     x1, [tsk, #TSK_TI_ADDR_LIMIT]
>> >> +.endm
>> >
>> > We need arm64's set_fs() to configure UAO, too, so this is much weaker
>> > than set_fs(), and will leave __{get,put}_user and
>> > __copy_{to,from}_user() able to access kernel memory.
>> >
>> > We don't currently have an asm helper to clear UAO, and unconditionally
>> > poking that on exception return is liable to be somewhat expensive.
>> >
>> > Also, given we're only trying to catch this in syscalls, I'm afraid I
>> > don't see what we gain by doing this in the entry assembly.
>>
>> I optimized all architectures from the arm (32-bit) discussion. I will
>> come back to a simple bl to the verify function. Thanks!
>
> What I was trying to ask was do we need to touch the assembly at all
> here?

You don't but he generic solution add code to every single syscall.

> Are we trying to protect the non-syscall cases by doing this in
> assembly? If so, it'd be worth calling out in the commit message.

It is an added benefit but not required.

> If so, we could add the necessary helper to clear UAO.

I can look at set_fs and fix it on the next iteraiton.

> If not, doing this in the entry assembly only saves the small overhead
> of reading and comparing the addr_limit for in-kernel use of the
> syscalls (e.g. in the compat wrappers), and we may as well rely on the
> common !ARCH_NO_SYSCALL_VERIFY_PRE_USERMODE_STATE implementation.

You also don't have the code added for each syscall and a call.

>
> Thanks,
> Mark.



-- 
Thomas

  reply	other threads:[~2017-03-09 16:19 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 60+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2017-03-09  1:24 [PATCH v2 1/4] syscalls: Restore address limit after a syscall Thomas Garnier
2017-03-09  1:24 ` [kernel-hardening] " Thomas Garnier
2017-03-09  1:24 ` [PATCH v2 2/4] x86/syscalls: Specific usage of verify_pre_usermode_state Thomas Garnier
2017-03-09  1:24   ` [kernel-hardening] " Thomas Garnier
2017-03-09  1:24 ` [PATCH v2 3/4] arm/syscalls: " Thomas Garnier
2017-03-09  1:24   ` [kernel-hardening] " Thomas Garnier
2017-03-09  1:24 ` [PATCH v2 4/4] arm64/syscalls: " Thomas Garnier
2017-03-09  1:24   ` [kernel-hardening] " Thomas Garnier
2017-03-09 12:23   ` Mark Rutland
2017-03-09 12:23     ` [kernel-hardening] " Mark Rutland
2017-03-09 12:23     ` Mark Rutland
2017-03-09 15:56     ` Thomas Garnier
2017-03-09 15:56       ` [kernel-hardening] " Thomas Garnier
2017-03-09 15:56       ` Thomas Garnier
2017-03-09 16:05       ` Mark Rutland
2017-03-09 16:05         ` [kernel-hardening] " Mark Rutland
2017-03-09 16:05         ` Mark Rutland
2017-03-09 16:19         ` Thomas Garnier [this message]
2017-03-09 16:19           ` [kernel-hardening] " Thomas Garnier
2017-03-09 16:19           ` Thomas Garnier
2017-03-09 16:26       ` Russell King - ARM Linux
2017-03-09 16:26         ` [kernel-hardening] " Russell King - ARM Linux
2017-03-09 16:26         ` Russell King - ARM Linux
2017-03-09 16:35         ` Thomas Garnier
2017-03-09 16:35           ` [kernel-hardening] " Thomas Garnier
2017-03-09 16:35           ` Thomas Garnier
2017-03-09 17:05           ` Russell King - ARM Linux
2017-03-09 17:05             ` [kernel-hardening] " Russell King - ARM Linux
2017-03-09 17:05             ` Russell King - ARM Linux
2017-03-09  8:42 ` [PATCH v2 1/4] syscalls: Restore address limit after a syscall Borislav Petkov
2017-03-09  8:42   ` [kernel-hardening] " Borislav Petkov
2017-03-09  8:42   ` Borislav Petkov
2017-03-09 15:48   ` Thomas Garnier
2017-03-09 15:48     ` [kernel-hardening] " Thomas Garnier
2017-03-09 15:48     ` Thomas Garnier
2017-03-09 17:27   ` Andy Lutomirski
2017-03-09 17:27     ` [kernel-hardening] " Andy Lutomirski
2017-03-09 17:41     ` Thomas Garnier
2017-03-09 17:41       ` [kernel-hardening] " Thomas Garnier
2017-03-09 10:39 ` Sergey Senozhatsky
2017-03-09 10:39   ` [kernel-hardening] " Sergey Senozhatsky
2017-03-09 12:09 ` Mark Rutland
2017-03-09 12:09   ` [kernel-hardening] " Mark Rutland
2017-03-09 12:09   ` Mark Rutland
2017-03-09 13:44   ` Russell King - ARM Linux
2017-03-09 13:44     ` [kernel-hardening] " Russell King - ARM Linux
2017-03-09 13:44     ` Russell King - ARM Linux
2017-03-09 15:21     ` Mark Rutland
2017-03-09 15:21       ` [kernel-hardening] " Mark Rutland
2017-03-09 15:21       ` Mark Rutland
2017-03-09 15:54       ` Thomas Garnier
2017-03-09 15:54         ` [kernel-hardening] " Thomas Garnier
2017-03-09 15:54         ` Thomas Garnier
2017-03-09 15:52   ` Thomas Garnier
2017-03-09 15:52     ` [kernel-hardening] " Thomas Garnier
2017-03-09 15:52     ` Thomas Garnier
2017-03-09 12:32 ` Christian Borntraeger
2017-03-09 12:32   ` [kernel-hardening] " Christian Borntraeger
2017-03-09 15:53   ` Thomas Garnier
2017-03-09 15:53     ` [kernel-hardening] " Thomas Garnier

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