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From: Suren Baghdasaryan <surenb@google.com>
To: Mel Gorman <mgorman@techsingularity.net>
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Subject: Re: [PATCH v3 4/7] mm: replace vma->vm_flags direct modifications with modifier calls
Date: Thu, 26 Jan 2023 09:28:59 -0800	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <CAJuCfpGfH9y5NYCBtM=s0uZ5DfRbtLHP=qQHqhahSiUPLEZNgg@mail.gmail.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <20230126172657.bmga5hy74ifsbhun@techsingularity.net>

On Thu, Jan 26, 2023 at 9:27 AM Mel Gorman <mgorman@techsingularity.net> wrote:
>
> On Thu, Jan 26, 2023 at 08:10:26AM -0800, Suren Baghdasaryan wrote:
> > On Thu, Jan 26, 2023 at 7:10 AM Mel Gorman <mgorman@techsingularity.net> wrote:
> > >
> > > On Wed, Jan 25, 2023 at 03:35:51PM -0800, Suren Baghdasaryan wrote:
> > > > Replace direct modifications to vma->vm_flags with calls to modifier
> > > > functions to be able to track flag changes and to keep vma locking
> > > > correctness.
> > > >
> > > > Signed-off-by: Suren Baghdasaryan <surenb@google.com>
> > > > Acked-by: Michal Hocko <mhocko@suse.com>
> > >
> > > Acked-by: Mel Gorman <mgorman@techsingularity.net>
> > >
> > > Minor comments that are safe to ignore.
> > >
> > > I think a better name for mod_vm_flags is set_clear_vm_flags to hint that
> > > the first flags are to be set and the second flags are to be cleared.
> > > For this patch, it doesn't matter, but it might avoid accidental swapping
> > > in the future.
> > >
> > > reset_vm_flags might also be better named as reinit_vma_flags (or
> > > vma_flags_reinit). Maybe also encourage the use of [set|clear_mod]_vm_flags
> > > where possible in the comment to track exactly what is changing and
> > > why. Some cases like userfaultfd just want to clear __VM_UFFD_FLAGS but
> > > altering the flow in this patch is inappropriate and error prone. Others
> > > such as the infiniband changes and madvise are a lot more complex.
> >
> > That's a good point, but I don't want people to use mod_vm_flags() for
> > the cases when the order of set/clear really matters. In such cases
> > set_vm_flags() and clear_vm_flags() should be explicitly used. Maybe
> > to make that clear I should add a comment and rewrite the functions
> > as:
> >
> > void mod_vm_flags(vma, set, clear) {
> >     vma.vm_flags = vma.vm_flags | set & clear;
> > }
> >
>
> Offhand, I'm not thinking of a case where that really matters and as they
> are not necessarily ordered, it's raising a read flag so yes, it definitely
> it needs a comment if the ordering matters.
>
> > In this patchset it's not that obvious but mod_vm_flags() was really
> > introduced in the original per-VMA lock patchset for efficiency to
> > avoid taking extra per-VMA locks. A combo of
> > set_vm_flags()+clear_vm_flags() would try to retake the same per-VMA
> > lock in the second call while mod_vm_flags() takes the lock only once
> > and does both operations.
>
> Ok, that seems fair but still needs a comment on why a mod_vm_flags is
> not necessarily equivalent to a set_vm_flags + clear_vm_flags in terms of
> correctness if that is indeed the case.
>
> > Not a huge overhead because we check if the
> > lock is already taken and bail out early but still...
> > So, would the above modification to mod_vm_flags() address your concern?
> >
>
> My concerns are entirely with the callers, not the implementation. If
> someone is modifying a call site using mod_vm_flags, they have to read
> through all the preceding logic to ensure the final combination of flags
> is valid.  It's a code maintenance issue, not a correctness issue.

Got it. I'll modify the implementation to make a single assignment and
will add a comment to use only when order doesn't matter.
Thanks!

>
> --
> Mel Gorman
> SUSE Labs

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From: Suren Baghdasaryan <surenb@google.com>
To: Mel Gorman <mgorman@techsingularity.net>
Cc: michel@lespinasse.org, joelaf@google.com, songliubraving@fb.com,
	mhocko@suse.com, leewalsh@google.com, david@redhat.com,
	peterz@infradead.org, bigeasy@linutronix.de, peterx@redhat.com,
	dhowells@redhat.com, linux-mm@kvack.org, edumazet@google.com,
	jglisse@google.com, punit.agrawal@bytedance.com, will@kernel.org,
	arjunroy@google.com, dave@stgolabs.net, minchan@google.com,
	x86@kernel.org, hughd@google.com, willy@infradead.org,
	gurua@google.com, mingo@redhat.com,
	linux-arm-kernel@lists.infradead.org, rientjes@google.com,
	axelrasmussen@google.com, kernel-team@android.com,
	soheil@google.com, paulmck@kernel.org, jannh@google.com,
	liam.howlett@oracle.com, shakeelb@google.com, luto@kernel.org,
	gthelen@google.com, ldufour@linux.ibm.com, vbabka@suse.cz,
	posk@google.com, lstoakes@gmail.com, peterjung1337@gmail.com,
	kent.overstreet@linux.dev, hughlynch@google.com,
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	akpm@linux-foundation.org, tatashin@google.com,
	linuxppc-dev@lists.ozlabs.org
Subject: Re: [PATCH v3 4/7] mm: replace vma->vm_flags direct modifications with modifier calls
Date: Thu, 26 Jan 2023 09:28:59 -0800	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <CAJuCfpGfH9y5NYCBtM=s0uZ5DfRbtLHP=qQHqhahSiUPLEZNgg@mail.gmail.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <20230126172657.bmga5hy74ifsbhun@techsingularity.net>

On Thu, Jan 26, 2023 at 9:27 AM Mel Gorman <mgorman@techsingularity.net> wrote:
>
> On Thu, Jan 26, 2023 at 08:10:26AM -0800, Suren Baghdasaryan wrote:
> > On Thu, Jan 26, 2023 at 7:10 AM Mel Gorman <mgorman@techsingularity.net> wrote:
> > >
> > > On Wed, Jan 25, 2023 at 03:35:51PM -0800, Suren Baghdasaryan wrote:
> > > > Replace direct modifications to vma->vm_flags with calls to modifier
> > > > functions to be able to track flag changes and to keep vma locking
> > > > correctness.
> > > >
> > > > Signed-off-by: Suren Baghdasaryan <surenb@google.com>
> > > > Acked-by: Michal Hocko <mhocko@suse.com>
> > >
> > > Acked-by: Mel Gorman <mgorman@techsingularity.net>
> > >
> > > Minor comments that are safe to ignore.
> > >
> > > I think a better name for mod_vm_flags is set_clear_vm_flags to hint that
> > > the first flags are to be set and the second flags are to be cleared.
> > > For this patch, it doesn't matter, but it might avoid accidental swapping
> > > in the future.
> > >
> > > reset_vm_flags might also be better named as reinit_vma_flags (or
> > > vma_flags_reinit). Maybe also encourage the use of [set|clear_mod]_vm_flags
> > > where possible in the comment to track exactly what is changing and
> > > why. Some cases like userfaultfd just want to clear __VM_UFFD_FLAGS but
> > > altering the flow in this patch is inappropriate and error prone. Others
> > > such as the infiniband changes and madvise are a lot more complex.
> >
> > That's a good point, but I don't want people to use mod_vm_flags() for
> > the cases when the order of set/clear really matters. In such cases
> > set_vm_flags() and clear_vm_flags() should be explicitly used. Maybe
> > to make that clear I should add a comment and rewrite the functions
> > as:
> >
> > void mod_vm_flags(vma, set, clear) {
> >     vma.vm_flags = vma.vm_flags | set & clear;
> > }
> >
>
> Offhand, I'm not thinking of a case where that really matters and as they
> are not necessarily ordered, it's raising a read flag so yes, it definitely
> it needs a comment if the ordering matters.
>
> > In this patchset it's not that obvious but mod_vm_flags() was really
> > introduced in the original per-VMA lock patchset for efficiency to
> > avoid taking extra per-VMA locks. A combo of
> > set_vm_flags()+clear_vm_flags() would try to retake the same per-VMA
> > lock in the second call while mod_vm_flags() takes the lock only once
> > and does both operations.
>
> Ok, that seems fair but still needs a comment on why a mod_vm_flags is
> not necessarily equivalent to a set_vm_flags + clear_vm_flags in terms of
> correctness if that is indeed the case.
>
> > Not a huge overhead because we check if the
> > lock is already taken and bail out early but still...
> > So, would the above modification to mod_vm_flags() address your concern?
> >
>
> My concerns are entirely with the callers, not the implementation. If
> someone is modifying a call site using mod_vm_flags, they have to read
> through all the preceding logic to ensure the final combination of flags
> is valid.  It's a code maintenance issue, not a correctness issue.

Got it. I'll modify the implementation to make a single assignment and
will add a comment to use only when order doesn't matter.
Thanks!

>
> --
> Mel Gorman
> SUSE Labs

WARNING: multiple messages have this Message-ID (diff)
From: Suren Baghdasaryan <surenb@google.com>
To: Mel Gorman <mgorman@techsingularity.net>
Cc: akpm@linux-foundation.org, michel@lespinasse.org,
	jglisse@google.com,  mhocko@suse.com, vbabka@suse.cz,
	hannes@cmpxchg.org, dave@stgolabs.net,  willy@infradead.org,
	liam.howlett@oracle.com, peterz@infradead.org,
	 ldufour@linux.ibm.com, paulmck@kernel.org, mingo@redhat.com,
	will@kernel.org,  luto@kernel.org, songliubraving@fb.com,
	peterx@redhat.com, david@redhat.com,  dhowells@redhat.com,
	hughd@google.com, bigeasy@linutronix.de,
	 kent.overstreet@linux.dev, punit.agrawal@bytedance.com,
	lstoakes@gmail.com,  peterjung1337@gmail.com,
	rientjes@google.com, axelrasmussen@google.com,
	 joelaf@google.com, minchan@google.com, jannh@google.com,
	shakeelb@google.com,  tatashin@google.com, edumazet@google.com,
	gthelen@google.com,  gurua@google.com, arjunroy@google.com,
	soheil@google.com,  hughlynch@google.com, leewalsh@google.com,
	posk@google.com,  linux-mm@kvack.org,
	linux-arm-kernel@lists.infradead.org,
	 linuxppc-dev@lists.ozlabs.org, x86@kernel.org,
	linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org,  kernel-team@android.com
Subject: Re: [PATCH v3 4/7] mm: replace vma->vm_flags direct modifications with modifier calls
Date: Thu, 26 Jan 2023 09:28:59 -0800	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <CAJuCfpGfH9y5NYCBtM=s0uZ5DfRbtLHP=qQHqhahSiUPLEZNgg@mail.gmail.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <20230126172657.bmga5hy74ifsbhun@techsingularity.net>

On Thu, Jan 26, 2023 at 9:27 AM Mel Gorman <mgorman@techsingularity.net> wrote:
>
> On Thu, Jan 26, 2023 at 08:10:26AM -0800, Suren Baghdasaryan wrote:
> > On Thu, Jan 26, 2023 at 7:10 AM Mel Gorman <mgorman@techsingularity.net> wrote:
> > >
> > > On Wed, Jan 25, 2023 at 03:35:51PM -0800, Suren Baghdasaryan wrote:
> > > > Replace direct modifications to vma->vm_flags with calls to modifier
> > > > functions to be able to track flag changes and to keep vma locking
> > > > correctness.
> > > >
> > > > Signed-off-by: Suren Baghdasaryan <surenb@google.com>
> > > > Acked-by: Michal Hocko <mhocko@suse.com>
> > >
> > > Acked-by: Mel Gorman <mgorman@techsingularity.net>
> > >
> > > Minor comments that are safe to ignore.
> > >
> > > I think a better name for mod_vm_flags is set_clear_vm_flags to hint that
> > > the first flags are to be set and the second flags are to be cleared.
> > > For this patch, it doesn't matter, but it might avoid accidental swapping
> > > in the future.
> > >
> > > reset_vm_flags might also be better named as reinit_vma_flags (or
> > > vma_flags_reinit). Maybe also encourage the use of [set|clear_mod]_vm_flags
> > > where possible in the comment to track exactly what is changing and
> > > why. Some cases like userfaultfd just want to clear __VM_UFFD_FLAGS but
> > > altering the flow in this patch is inappropriate and error prone. Others
> > > such as the infiniband changes and madvise are a lot more complex.
> >
> > That's a good point, but I don't want people to use mod_vm_flags() for
> > the cases when the order of set/clear really matters. In such cases
> > set_vm_flags() and clear_vm_flags() should be explicitly used. Maybe
> > to make that clear I should add a comment and rewrite the functions
> > as:
> >
> > void mod_vm_flags(vma, set, clear) {
> >     vma.vm_flags = vma.vm_flags | set & clear;
> > }
> >
>
> Offhand, I'm not thinking of a case where that really matters and as they
> are not necessarily ordered, it's raising a read flag so yes, it definitely
> it needs a comment if the ordering matters.
>
> > In this patchset it's not that obvious but mod_vm_flags() was really
> > introduced in the original per-VMA lock patchset for efficiency to
> > avoid taking extra per-VMA locks. A combo of
> > set_vm_flags()+clear_vm_flags() would try to retake the same per-VMA
> > lock in the second call while mod_vm_flags() takes the lock only once
> > and does both operations.
>
> Ok, that seems fair but still needs a comment on why a mod_vm_flags is
> not necessarily equivalent to a set_vm_flags + clear_vm_flags in terms of
> correctness if that is indeed the case.
>
> > Not a huge overhead because we check if the
> > lock is already taken and bail out early but still...
> > So, would the above modification to mod_vm_flags() address your concern?
> >
>
> My concerns are entirely with the callers, not the implementation. If
> someone is modifying a call site using mod_vm_flags, they have to read
> through all the preceding logic to ensure the final combination of flags
> is valid.  It's a code maintenance issue, not a correctness issue.

Got it. I'll modify the implementation to make a single assignment and
will add a comment to use only when order doesn't matter.
Thanks!

>
> --
> Mel Gorman
> SUSE Labs

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  reply	other threads:[~2023-01-26 17:29 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 118+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2023-01-25 23:35 [PATCH v3 0/7] introduce vm_flags modifier functions Suren Baghdasaryan
2023-01-25 23:35 ` Suren Baghdasaryan
2023-01-25 23:35 ` Suren Baghdasaryan
2023-01-25 23:35 ` [PATCH v3 1/7] kernel/fork: convert vma assignment to a memcpy Suren Baghdasaryan
2023-01-25 23:35   ` Suren Baghdasaryan
2023-01-25 23:35   ` Suren Baghdasaryan
2023-01-26  0:21   ` Andrew Morton
2023-01-26  0:21     ` Andrew Morton
2023-01-26  0:21     ` Andrew Morton
2023-01-26  0:50     ` Suren Baghdasaryan
2023-01-26  0:50       ` Suren Baghdasaryan
2023-01-26  0:50       ` Suren Baghdasaryan
2023-01-26  1:34       ` Andrew Morton
2023-01-26  1:34         ` Andrew Morton
2023-01-26  1:34         ` Andrew Morton
2023-01-26 11:52         ` Mel Gorman
2023-01-26 11:52           ` Mel Gorman
2023-01-26 11:52           ` Mel Gorman
2023-01-26 15:59           ` Suren Baghdasaryan
2023-01-26 15:59             ` Suren Baghdasaryan
2023-01-26 15:59             ` Suren Baghdasaryan
2023-01-26 17:27         ` Paul E. McKenney
2023-01-26 17:27           ` Paul E. McKenney
2023-01-26 17:27           ` Paul E. McKenney
2023-01-26 17:27           ` Paul E. McKenney
2023-02-07 17:16           ` Marco Elver
2023-02-07 17:16             ` Marco Elver
2023-02-07 17:16             ` Marco Elver
2023-02-07 17:23             ` Suren Baghdasaryan
2023-02-07 17:23               ` Suren Baghdasaryan
2023-02-07 17:23               ` Suren Baghdasaryan
2023-02-07 17:51               ` Marco Elver
2023-02-07 17:51                 ` Marco Elver
2023-02-07 17:51                 ` Marco Elver
2023-01-25 23:35 ` [PATCH v3 2/7] mm: introduce vma->vm_flags wrapper functions Suren Baghdasaryan
2023-01-25 23:35   ` Suren Baghdasaryan
2023-01-25 23:35   ` Suren Baghdasaryan
2023-01-26  0:24   ` Andrew Morton
2023-01-26  0:24     ` Andrew Morton
2023-01-26  0:24     ` Andrew Morton
2023-01-26  0:51     ` Suren Baghdasaryan
2023-01-26  0:51       ` Suren Baghdasaryan
2023-01-26  0:51       ` Suren Baghdasaryan
2023-01-26 17:48     ` Davidlohr Bueso
2023-01-26 17:48       ` Davidlohr Bueso
2023-01-26 17:48       ` Davidlohr Bueso
2023-01-26  0:28   ` Andrew Morton
2023-01-26  0:28     ` Andrew Morton
2023-01-26  0:28     ` Andrew Morton
2023-01-26  0:56     ` Suren Baghdasaryan
2023-01-26  0:56       ` Suren Baghdasaryan
2023-01-26  0:56       ` Suren Baghdasaryan
2023-01-26  7:59       ` Michal Hocko
2023-01-26  7:59         ` Michal Hocko
2023-01-26  7:59         ` Michal Hocko
2023-01-26  8:33   ` Michal Hocko
2023-01-26  8:33     ` Michal Hocko
2023-01-26  8:33     ` Michal Hocko
2023-01-26 13:58   ` Mel Gorman
2023-01-26 13:58     ` Mel Gorman
2023-01-26 13:58     ` Mel Gorman
2023-01-26 16:01     ` Suren Baghdasaryan
2023-01-26 16:01       ` Suren Baghdasaryan
2023-01-26 16:01       ` Suren Baghdasaryan
2023-01-25 23:35 ` [PATCH v3 3/7] mm: replace VM_LOCKED_CLEAR_MASK with VM_LOCKED_MASK Suren Baghdasaryan
2023-01-25 23:35   ` Suren Baghdasaryan
2023-01-25 23:35   ` Suren Baghdasaryan
2023-01-26 13:59   ` Mel Gorman
2023-01-26 13:59     ` Mel Gorman
2023-01-26 13:59     ` Mel Gorman
2023-01-26 14:16   ` Mel Gorman
2023-01-26 14:16     ` Mel Gorman
2023-01-26 14:16     ` Mel Gorman
2023-01-25 23:35 ` [PATCH v3 4/7] mm: replace vma->vm_flags direct modifications with modifier calls Suren Baghdasaryan
2023-01-25 23:35   ` Suren Baghdasaryan
2023-01-25 23:35   ` Suren Baghdasaryan
2023-01-26 15:10   ` Mel Gorman
2023-01-26 15:10     ` Mel Gorman
2023-01-26 15:10     ` Mel Gorman
2023-01-26 16:10     ` Suren Baghdasaryan
2023-01-26 16:10       ` Suren Baghdasaryan
2023-01-26 16:10       ` Suren Baghdasaryan
2023-01-26 17:26       ` Mel Gorman
2023-01-26 17:26         ` Mel Gorman
2023-01-26 17:26         ` Mel Gorman
2023-01-26 17:28         ` Suren Baghdasaryan [this message]
2023-01-26 17:28           ` Suren Baghdasaryan
2023-01-26 17:28           ` Suren Baghdasaryan
2023-01-25 23:35 ` [PATCH v3 5/7] mm: replace vma->vm_flags indirect modification in ksm_madvise Suren Baghdasaryan
2023-01-25 23:35   ` Suren Baghdasaryan
2023-01-25 23:35   ` Suren Baghdasaryan
2023-01-26 15:19   ` Mel Gorman
2023-01-26 15:19     ` Mel Gorman
2023-01-26 15:19     ` Mel Gorman
2023-01-26 16:11     ` Suren Baghdasaryan
2023-01-26 16:11       ` Suren Baghdasaryan
2023-01-26 16:11       ` Suren Baghdasaryan
2023-01-25 23:35 ` [PATCH v3 6/7] mm: introduce mod_vm_flags_nolock and use it in untrack_pfn Suren Baghdasaryan
2023-01-25 23:35   ` Suren Baghdasaryan
2023-01-25 23:35   ` Suren Baghdasaryan
2023-01-26  8:34   ` Michal Hocko
2023-01-26  8:34     ` Michal Hocko
2023-01-26  8:34     ` Michal Hocko
2023-01-26 15:47   ` Mel Gorman
2023-01-26 15:47     ` Mel Gorman
2023-01-26 15:47     ` Mel Gorman
2023-01-26 16:18     ` Suren Baghdasaryan
2023-01-26 16:18       ` Suren Baghdasaryan
2023-01-26 16:18       ` Suren Baghdasaryan
2023-01-26 17:32       ` Mel Gorman
2023-01-26 17:32         ` Mel Gorman
2023-01-26 17:32         ` Mel Gorman
2023-01-26 17:34         ` Suren Baghdasaryan
2023-01-26 17:34           ` Suren Baghdasaryan
2023-01-26 17:34           ` Suren Baghdasaryan
2023-01-25 23:35 ` [PATCH v3 7/7] mm: export dump_mm() Suren Baghdasaryan
2023-01-25 23:35   ` Suren Baghdasaryan
2023-01-25 23:35   ` Suren Baghdasaryan

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