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From: Arnd Bergmann <arnd@arndb.de>
To: Daniel Lezcano <daniel.lezcano@linaro.org>
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Subject: Re: [PATCH 2/7] clocksource: Rename CLOCKSOURCE_OF_DECLARE
Date: Mon, 29 May 2017 13:21:54 +0200	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <CAK8P3a3MdvWMJyVqE63Ur330mC2wPZO7nFXjd_LukbTjiZtGdg@mail.gmail.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <20170529105509.GC2192@mai>

On Mon, May 29, 2017 at 12:55 PM, Daniel Lezcano
<daniel.lezcano@linaro.org> wrote:
> On Mon, May 29, 2017 at 11:57:25AM +0200, Arnd Bergmann wrote:
>> On Mon, May 29, 2017 at 10:48 AM, Daniel Lezcano
>> <daniel.lezcano@linaro.org> wrote:
>> Things that could go wrong include:
>>
>> - A platform maintainer wants to add a new platform and has a for-next
>>   branch that gets merged into linux-next, with parts of it going through
>>   different maintainers, and now they have to choose between a branch
>>   that doesn't build without the timer branch, or one that break for-next
>>   unless Stephen applies a fixup
>>
>> - Some architecture maintainer didn't get the memo and adds an instance of
>>   CLOCKSOUCE_OF_DECLARE in architecture specific code without asking
>>   having the patch reviewed first
>>
>> - A platform has a branch with complex cross-tree dependencies and
>>   it need to get merged in an unconventional way.
>>
>> - You make a mistake and accidentally merge one driver for an unusual
>>   architecture that escapes your test matrix.
>>
>> While those all are unlikely to happen in a particular merge window, they do
>> happen occasionally and tend to cause a lot of pain.
>
> Hmm, that sounds scary :)
>
> There is no guarantee, when removing the alias, none of the above happens,
> right?

No, it's just both less likely and easier to work around.

> If the timer branch is in linux-next, that could be caugth before any of the
> above happens, no?

linux-next will find most of these problems, but it will still be more work
for the people that run into build failures when testing linux-next.

     Arnd

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From: Arnd Bergmann <arnd@arndb.de>
To: Daniel Lezcano <daniel.lezcano@linaro.org>
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Subject: Re: [PATCH 2/7] clocksource: Rename CLOCKSOURCE_OF_DECLARE
Date: Mon, 29 May 2017 13:21:54 +0200	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <CAK8P3a3MdvWMJyVqE63Ur330mC2wPZO7nFXjd_LukbTjiZtGdg@mail.gmail.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <20170529105509.GC2192@mai>

On Mon, May 29, 2017 at 12:55 PM, Daniel Lezcano
<daniel.lezcano@linaro.org> wrote:
> On Mon, May 29, 2017 at 11:57:25AM +0200, Arnd Bergmann wrote:
>> On Mon, May 29, 2017 at 10:48 AM, Daniel Lezcano
>> <daniel.lezcano@linaro.org> wrote:
>> Things that could go wrong include:
>>
>> - A platform maintainer wants to add a new platform and has a for-next
>>   branch that gets merged into linux-next, with parts of it going through
>>   different maintainers, and now they have to choose between a branch
>>   that doesn't build without the timer branch, or one that break for-next
>>   unless Stephen applies a fixup
>>
>> - Some architecture maintainer didn't get the memo and adds an instance of
>>   CLOCKSOUCE_OF_DECLARE in architecture specific code without asking
>>   having the patch reviewed first
>>
>> - A platform has a branch with complex cross-tree dependencies and
>>   it need to get merged in an unconventional way.
>>
>> - You make a mistake and accidentally merge one driver for an unusual
>>   architecture that escapes your test matrix.
>>
>> While those all are unlikely to happen in a particular merge window, they do
>> happen occasionally and tend to cause a lot of pain.
>
> Hmm, that sounds scary :)
>
> There is no guarantee, when removing the alias, none of the above happens,
> right?

No, it's just both less likely and easier to work around.

> If the timer branch is in linux-next, that could be caugth before any of the
> above happens, no?

linux-next will find most of these problems, but it will still be more work
for the people that run into build failures when testing linux-next.

     Arnd

WARNING: multiple messages have this Message-ID (diff)
From: arnd@arndb.de (Arnd Bergmann)
To: linux-snps-arc@lists.infradead.org
Subject: [PATCH 2/7] clocksource: Rename CLOCKSOURCE_OF_DECLARE
Date: Mon, 29 May 2017 13:21:54 +0200	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <CAK8P3a3MdvWMJyVqE63Ur330mC2wPZO7nFXjd_LukbTjiZtGdg@mail.gmail.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <20170529105509.GC2192@mai>

On Mon, May 29, 2017 at 12:55 PM, Daniel Lezcano
<daniel.lezcano@linaro.org> wrote:
> On Mon, May 29, 2017@11:57:25AM +0200, Arnd Bergmann wrote:
>> On Mon, May 29, 2017 at 10:48 AM, Daniel Lezcano
>> <daniel.lezcano@linaro.org> wrote:
>> Things that could go wrong include:
>>
>> - A platform maintainer wants to add a new platform and has a for-next
>>   branch that gets merged into linux-next, with parts of it going through
>>   different maintainers, and now they have to choose between a branch
>>   that doesn't build without the timer branch, or one that break for-next
>>   unless Stephen applies a fixup
>>
>> - Some architecture maintainer didn't get the memo and adds an instance of
>>   CLOCKSOUCE_OF_DECLARE in architecture specific code without asking
>>   having the patch reviewed first
>>
>> - A platform has a branch with complex cross-tree dependencies and
>>   it need to get merged in an unconventional way.
>>
>> - You make a mistake and accidentally merge one driver for an unusual
>>   architecture that escapes your test matrix.
>>
>> While those all are unlikely to happen in a particular merge window, they do
>> happen occasionally and tend to cause a lot of pain.
>
> Hmm, that sounds scary :)
>
> There is no guarantee, when removing the alias, none of the above happens,
> right?

No, it's just both less likely and easier to work around.

> If the timer branch is in linux-next, that could be caugth before any of the
> above happens, no?

linux-next will find most of these problems, but it will still be more work
for the people that run into build failures when testing linux-next.

     Arnd

WARNING: multiple messages have this Message-ID (diff)
From: arnd@arndb.de (Arnd Bergmann)
To: linus-amlogic@lists.infradead.org
Subject: [PATCH 2/7] clocksource: Rename CLOCKSOURCE_OF_DECLARE
Date: Mon, 29 May 2017 13:21:54 +0200	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <CAK8P3a3MdvWMJyVqE63Ur330mC2wPZO7nFXjd_LukbTjiZtGdg@mail.gmail.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <20170529105509.GC2192@mai>

On Mon, May 29, 2017 at 12:55 PM, Daniel Lezcano
<daniel.lezcano@linaro.org> wrote:
> On Mon, May 29, 2017 at 11:57:25AM +0200, Arnd Bergmann wrote:
>> On Mon, May 29, 2017 at 10:48 AM, Daniel Lezcano
>> <daniel.lezcano@linaro.org> wrote:
>> Things that could go wrong include:
>>
>> - A platform maintainer wants to add a new platform and has a for-next
>>   branch that gets merged into linux-next, with parts of it going through
>>   different maintainers, and now they have to choose between a branch
>>   that doesn't build without the timer branch, or one that break for-next
>>   unless Stephen applies a fixup
>>
>> - Some architecture maintainer didn't get the memo and adds an instance of
>>   CLOCKSOUCE_OF_DECLARE in architecture specific code without asking
>>   having the patch reviewed first
>>
>> - A platform has a branch with complex cross-tree dependencies and
>>   it need to get merged in an unconventional way.
>>
>> - You make a mistake and accidentally merge one driver for an unusual
>>   architecture that escapes your test matrix.
>>
>> While those all are unlikely to happen in a particular merge window, they do
>> happen occasionally and tend to cause a lot of pain.
>
> Hmm, that sounds scary :)
>
> There is no guarantee, when removing the alias, none of the above happens,
> right?

No, it's just both less likely and easier to work around.

> If the timer branch is in linux-next, that could be caugth before any of the
> above happens, no?

linux-next will find most of these problems, but it will still be more work
for the people that run into build failures when testing linux-next.

     Arnd

  reply	other threads:[~2017-05-29 11:21 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 116+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2017-05-27  9:58 [PATCH 1/7] Revert "clockevents: Add a clkevt-of mechanism like clksrc-of" Daniel Lezcano
2017-05-27  9:58 ` Daniel Lezcano
2017-05-27  9:58 ` [PATCH 2/7] clocksource: Rename CLOCKSOURCE_OF_DECLARE Daniel Lezcano
2017-05-27  9:58   ` Daniel Lezcano
2017-05-27  9:58   ` Daniel Lezcano
2017-05-27  9:58   ` Daniel Lezcano
2017-05-27  9:58   ` Daniel Lezcano
2017-05-28 13:48   ` Linus Walleij
2017-05-28 13:48     ` Linus Walleij
2017-05-28 13:48     ` Linus Walleij
2017-05-28 13:48     ` Linus Walleij
2017-05-28 14:20     ` Daniel Lezcano
2017-05-28 14:20       ` Daniel Lezcano
2017-05-28 14:20       ` Daniel Lezcano
2017-05-28 14:20       ` Daniel Lezcano
2017-05-29  7:39   ` Heiko Stübner
2017-05-29  7:39     ` Heiko Stübner
2017-05-29  7:39     ` Heiko Stübner
2017-05-29  7:39     ` Heiko Stübner
2017-05-29  8:00   ` Neil Armstrong
2017-05-29  8:00     ` Neil Armstrong
2017-05-29  8:00     ` Neil Armstrong
2017-05-29  8:00     ` Neil Armstrong
2017-05-29  8:02   ` Mason
2017-05-29  8:41   ` Arnd Bergmann
2017-05-29  8:41     ` Arnd Bergmann
2017-05-29  8:41     ` Arnd Bergmann
2017-05-29  8:41     ` Arnd Bergmann
     [not found]     ` <CAK8P3a3QACHYqtCO1z_FpW0nXEtx356wCDha_=SNXU872=q1UQ-JsoAwUIsXosN+BqQ9rBEUg@public.gmane.org>
2017-05-29  8:48       ` Daniel Lezcano
2017-05-29  8:48         ` Daniel Lezcano
2017-05-29  8:48         ` Daniel Lezcano
2017-05-29  8:48         ` Daniel Lezcano
2017-05-29  9:57         ` Arnd Bergmann
2017-05-29  9:57           ` Arnd Bergmann
2017-05-29  9:57           ` Arnd Bergmann
2017-05-29  9:57           ` Arnd Bergmann
     [not found]           ` <CAK8P3a1Kv_RhKL43ie6co_N5pDXvRHd7Uq8g70qt80WkxuhzLw-JsoAwUIsXosN+BqQ9rBEUg@public.gmane.org>
2017-05-29 10:55             ` Daniel Lezcano
2017-05-29 10:55               ` Daniel Lezcano
2017-05-29 10:55               ` Daniel Lezcano
2017-05-29 10:55               ` Daniel Lezcano
2017-05-29 11:21               ` Arnd Bergmann [this message]
2017-05-29 11:21                 ` Arnd Bergmann
2017-05-29 11:21                 ` Arnd Bergmann
2017-05-29 11:21                 ` Arnd Bergmann
2017-05-30 12:09           ` [PATCH] clocksource: Add an alias macro CLOCKSOURCE_OF_DECLARE Daniel Lezcano
     [not found]   ` <1495879129-28109-2-git-send-email-daniel.lezcano-QSEj5FYQhm4dnm+yROfE0A@public.gmane.org>
2017-05-29 13:25     ` [PATCH 2/7] clocksource: Rename CLOCKSOURCE_OF_DECLARE Matthias Brugger
2017-05-29 13:25       ` Matthias Brugger
2017-05-29 13:25       ` Matthias Brugger
2017-05-29 13:25       ` Matthias Brugger
2017-05-31  8:19     ` Krzysztof Kozlowski
2017-05-31  8:19       ` Krzysztof Kozlowski
2017-05-31  8:19       ` Krzysztof Kozlowski
2017-05-31  8:19       ` Krzysztof Kozlowski
2017-05-30 16:36   ` Vineet Gupta
2017-05-30 16:36     ` Vineet Gupta
2017-05-30 16:36     ` Vineet Gupta
2017-05-31  7:11   ` Patrice CHOTARD
2017-05-31  7:11     ` Patrice CHOTARD
2017-05-31  7:11     ` Patrice CHOTARD
2017-05-31  7:11     ` Patrice CHOTARD
2017-05-27  9:58 ` [PATCH 3/7] clocksource: Rename clocksource_probe Daniel Lezcano
2017-05-27  9:58   ` Daniel Lezcano
2017-05-27  9:58   ` Daniel Lezcano
2017-05-27  9:58   ` Daniel Lezcano
2017-05-28 13:49   ` Linus Walleij
2017-05-28 13:49     ` Linus Walleij
2017-05-28 13:49     ` Linus Walleij
2017-05-29  4:34   ` Viresh Kumar
2017-05-29  4:34     ` Viresh Kumar
2017-05-29  4:34     ` Viresh Kumar
2017-05-29  7:37   ` Heiko Stübner
2017-05-29  7:37     ` Heiko Stübner
2017-05-29  7:37     ` Heiko Stübner
2017-05-31 10:29   ` James Hartley
2017-05-31 10:29     ` James Hartley
2017-05-31 10:29     ` James Hartley
2017-05-31 10:29     ` James Hartley
2017-05-27  9:58 ` [PATCH 4/7] clocksource: Rename CLOCKSOURCE_ACPI_DECLARE Daniel Lezcano
2017-05-27  9:58   ` Daniel Lezcano
2017-05-28 13:50   ` Linus Walleij
2017-05-28 13:50     ` Linus Walleij
2017-05-27  9:58 ` [PATCH 5/7] clocksource: Rename clksrc Daniel Lezcano
2017-05-27  9:58   ` Daniel Lezcano
2017-05-27  9:58   ` Daniel Lezcano
2017-05-28 13:51   ` Linus Walleij
2017-05-28 13:51     ` Linus Walleij
2017-05-28 13:51     ` Linus Walleij
2017-05-27  9:58 ` [PATCH 6/7] clocksource: Rename CLKSRC_OF to TIMER_OF Daniel Lezcano
2017-05-27  9:58   ` Daniel Lezcano
2017-05-27  9:58   ` Daniel Lezcano
2017-05-27  9:58   ` Daniel Lezcano
2017-05-27  9:58   ` Daniel Lezcano
2017-05-28  3:00   ` Shawn Guo
2017-05-28  3:00     ` Shawn Guo
2017-05-28  3:00     ` Shawn Guo
2017-05-28  3:00     ` Shawn Guo
2017-05-28  3:00     ` Shawn Guo
2017-05-28  9:18     ` Daniel Lezcano
2017-05-28  9:18       ` Daniel Lezcano
2017-05-28  9:18       ` Daniel Lezcano
2017-05-28  9:18       ` Daniel Lezcano
2017-05-28  9:18       ` Daniel Lezcano
2017-05-28 13:52   ` Linus Walleij
2017-05-28 13:52     ` Linus Walleij
2017-05-28 13:52     ` Linus Walleij
2017-05-28 13:52     ` Linus Walleij
2017-05-28 13:52     ` Linus Walleij
2017-05-31  8:24   ` Krzysztof Kozlowski
2017-05-31  8:24     ` Krzysztof Kozlowski
2017-05-31  8:24     ` Krzysztof Kozlowski
2017-05-31  8:24     ` Krzysztof Kozlowski
2017-05-31  8:24     ` Krzysztof Kozlowski
2017-05-27  9:58 ` [PATCH 7/7] clocksource: Rename CLKSRC_ACPI Daniel Lezcano
2017-05-27  9:58   ` Daniel Lezcano
2017-05-28 13:52   ` Linus Walleij
2017-05-28 13:52     ` Linus Walleij

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