* [PATCH 0/3] filesystems.5: Update & wfix
@ 2020-12-18 15:30 Alejandro Colomar
2020-12-18 15:30 ` [PATCH 1/3] filesystems.5: fix link to user space tooling for ncpfs Alejandro Colomar
` (2 more replies)
0 siblings, 3 replies; 9+ messages in thread
From: Alejandro Colomar @ 2020-12-18 15:30 UTC (permalink / raw)
To: Michael Kerrisk
Cc: Alejandro Colomar, linux-man, Greg Kroah-Hartman,
Stephen Hemminger, David S . Miller
Hi Michael,
Please merge these patches.
Thanks,
Alex
Ahelenia Ziemiańska (2):
filesystems.5: fix link to user space tooling for ncpfs
filesystems.5: note ncpfs removal from kernel
наб (1):
filesystems.5: wfix: ntfs: remove FAT comparison
man5/filesystems.5 | 12 ++++++------
1 file changed, 6 insertions(+), 6 deletions(-)
base-commit: 300ef55cf2eebc7b123fba48a40bb05a14e261e2
--
2.29.2
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* [PATCH 1/3] filesystems.5: fix link to user space tooling for ncpfs
2020-12-18 15:30 [PATCH 0/3] filesystems.5: Update & wfix Alejandro Colomar
@ 2020-12-18 15:30 ` Alejandro Colomar
2020-12-20 14:43 ` Michael Kerrisk (man-pages)
2020-12-18 15:30 ` [PATCH 2/3] filesystems.5: note ncpfs removal from kernel Alejandro Colomar
2020-12-18 15:30 ` [PATCH 3/3] filesystems.5: wfix: ntfs: remove FAT comparison Alejandro Colomar
2 siblings, 1 reply; 9+ messages in thread
From: Alejandro Colomar @ 2020-12-18 15:30 UTC (permalink / raw)
To: Michael Kerrisk
Cc: Ahelenia Ziemiańska, linux-man, Greg Kroah-Hartman,
Stephen Hemminger, David S . Miller, Alejandro Colomar
From: Ahelenia Ziemiańska <nabijaczleweli@nabijaczleweli.xyz>
Corresponds to Linux commit 1b83df308f69a5a3cc59be03bd7fb23e4bcebd8e
Signed-off-by: Ahelenia Ziemiańska <nabijaczleweli@nabijaczleweli.xyz>
Signed-off-by: Alejandro Colomar <alx.manpages@gmail.com>
---
man5/filesystems.5 | 2 +-
1 file changed, 1 insertion(+), 1 deletion(-)
diff --git a/man5/filesystems.5 b/man5/filesystems.5
index b44dba184..6ec2de9f0 100644
--- a/man5/filesystems.5
+++ b/man5/filesystems.5
@@ -158,7 +158,7 @@ Novell NetWare.
To use
.BR ncpfs ,
you need special programs, which can be found at
-.UR ftp://linux01.gwdg.de\:/pub\:/ncpfs
+.UR ftp://ftp.gwdg.de\:/pub\:/linux\:/misc\:/ncpfs
.UE .
.TP
.B nfs
--
2.29.2
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* [PATCH 2/3] filesystems.5: note ncpfs removal from kernel
2020-12-18 15:30 [PATCH 0/3] filesystems.5: Update & wfix Alejandro Colomar
2020-12-18 15:30 ` [PATCH 1/3] filesystems.5: fix link to user space tooling for ncpfs Alejandro Colomar
@ 2020-12-18 15:30 ` Alejandro Colomar
2020-12-20 14:44 ` Michael Kerrisk (man-pages)
2020-12-18 15:30 ` [PATCH 3/3] filesystems.5: wfix: ntfs: remove FAT comparison Alejandro Colomar
2 siblings, 1 reply; 9+ messages in thread
From: Alejandro Colomar @ 2020-12-18 15:30 UTC (permalink / raw)
To: Michael Kerrisk
Cc: Ahelenia Ziemiańska, linux-man, Greg Kroah-Hartman,
Stephen Hemminger, David S . Miller, Alejandro Colomar
From: Ahelenia Ziemiańska <nabijaczleweli@nabijaczleweli.xyz>
Relevant Linux commits:
* moved to staging in 1bb8155080c652c4853e6228f8f0d262b3049699
(describe: v4.15-rc1-129-g1bb8155080c6) in Nov 2017,
described as "broken" and "obsolete"
* purged in bd32895c750bcd2b511bf93917bf7ae723e3d0b6
(describe: v4.17-rc3-1010-gbd32895c750b) in Jun 2018,
"since no one has complained or even noticed it was gone"
Signed-off-by: Ahelenia Ziemiańska <nabijaczleweli@nabijaczleweli.xyz>
Signed-off-by: Alejandro Colomar <alx.manpages@gmail.com>
---
man5/filesystems.5 | 5 +++--
1 file changed, 3 insertions(+), 2 deletions(-)
diff --git a/man5/filesystems.5 b/man5/filesystems.5
index 6ec2de9f0..71be05230 100644
--- a/man5/filesystems.5
+++ b/man5/filesystems.5
@@ -152,8 +152,9 @@ filenames can be no longer than 8 characters, followed by an
optional period and 3 character extension.
.TP
.B ncpfs
-is a network filesystem that supports the NCP protocol, used by
-Novell NetWare.
+is a network filesystem that supports the NCP protocol,
+used by Novell NetWare.
+It was was removed from the kernel in 4.17.
.IP
To use
.BR ncpfs ,
--
2.29.2
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* [PATCH 3/3] filesystems.5: wfix: ntfs: remove FAT comparison
2020-12-18 15:30 [PATCH 0/3] filesystems.5: Update & wfix Alejandro Colomar
2020-12-18 15:30 ` [PATCH 1/3] filesystems.5: fix link to user space tooling for ncpfs Alejandro Colomar
2020-12-18 15:30 ` [PATCH 2/3] filesystems.5: note ncpfs removal from kernel Alejandro Colomar
@ 2020-12-18 15:30 ` Alejandro Colomar
2020-12-20 14:47 ` Michael Kerrisk (man-pages)
2 siblings, 1 reply; 9+ messages in thread
From: Alejandro Colomar @ 2020-12-18 15:30 UTC (permalink / raw)
To: Michael Kerrisk
Cc: наб,
linux-man, Greg Kroah-Hartman, Stephen Hemminger,
David S . Miller, Alejandro Colomar
From: наб <nabijaczleweli@nabijaczleweli.xyz>
The main point I was driving at with this patch was to fix
"Microsoft Window's FAT filesystems" (i.e. FAT filesystems which belong
to Microsoft Window, which is decidedly wrong).
FAT32 first shipped with MS-DOS 7.1, as part of Windows 95 OSR2,
but it's a (relatively) simple logical extension of the previous FATx
filesystems (16 and 12 as we know and love them today,
I don't think the PC ever saw 8), hence the "VFAT" driver name ‒
calling FAT-anything a Windows filesystem would be a flat-out lie,
calling it a Microsoft filesystem would be, uh, facetious.
NTFS (as part of Windows NT), on the other hand, is wholly different
WRT the scope and feature-set (it does borrow some layouting from FAT,
but reading NTFS as FAT doesn't get you very far, or much).
The replacing bit is also questionable, especially in a.d. 2020:
while it is true that you cannot install NT on FAT (after a certain
point? my memory ain't what it used to be), and must therefore
replace your existing FAT partitions with NTFS during upgrades;
Windows NT 4.0, the last product to be NT-branded came out in 1996,
i.e. you could not install Windows on FAT (and, therefore,
upgrade it to NTFS, replacing it) during my entire lifetime.
Indeed, in $(date +%Y) we live in a post-NTFS world ‒ putting NTFS in
the same class as FAT beyond "is a filesystem" is a joke.
Signed-off-by: Ahelenia Ziemiańska <nabijaczleweli@nabijaczleweli.xyz>
Signed-off-by: Alejandro Colomar <alx.manpages@gmail.com>
---
man5/filesystems.5 | 5 ++---
1 file changed, 2 insertions(+), 3 deletions(-)
diff --git a/man5/filesystems.5 b/man5/filesystems.5
index 71be05230..7f2e02096 100644
--- a/man5/filesystems.5
+++ b/man5/filesystems.5
@@ -166,9 +166,8 @@ you need special programs, which can be found at
is the network filesystem used to access disks located on remote computers.
.TP
.B ntfs
-replaces Microsoft Window's FAT filesystems (VFAT, FAT32).
-It has reliability, performance, and space-utilization enhancements
-plus features like ACLs, journaling, encryption, and so on.
+is the filesystem native to Microsoft Windows NT,
+supporting features like ACLs, journaling, encryption, and so on.
.TP
.B proc
is a pseudo filesystem which is used as an interface to kernel data
--
2.29.2
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* Re: [PATCH 1/3] filesystems.5: fix link to user space tooling for ncpfs
2020-12-18 15:30 ` [PATCH 1/3] filesystems.5: fix link to user space tooling for ncpfs Alejandro Colomar
@ 2020-12-20 14:43 ` Michael Kerrisk (man-pages)
0 siblings, 0 replies; 9+ messages in thread
From: Michael Kerrisk (man-pages) @ 2020-12-20 14:43 UTC (permalink / raw)
To: Alejandro Colomar
Cc: mtk.manpages, Ahelenia Ziemiańska, linux-man,
Greg Kroah-Hartman, Stephen Hemminger, David S . Miller
Hello Alex and Ahelenia,
On 12/18/20 4:30 PM, Alejandro Colomar wrote:
> From: Ahelenia Ziemiańska <nabijaczleweli@nabijaczleweli.xyz>
>
> Corresponds to Linux commit 1b83df308f69a5a3cc59be03bd7fb23e4bcebd8e
>
> Signed-off-by: Ahelenia Ziemiańska <nabijaczleweli@nabijaczleweli.xyz>
> Signed-off-by: Alejandro Colomar <alx.manpages@gmail.com>
Patch applied.
Thanks,
Michael
> ---
> man5/filesystems.5 | 2 +-
> 1 file changed, 1 insertion(+), 1 deletion(-)
>
> diff --git a/man5/filesystems.5 b/man5/filesystems.5
> index b44dba184..6ec2de9f0 100644
> --- a/man5/filesystems.5
> +++ b/man5/filesystems.5
> @@ -158,7 +158,7 @@ Novell NetWare.
> To use
> .BR ncpfs ,
> you need special programs, which can be found at
> -.UR ftp://linux01.gwdg.de\:/pub\:/ncpfs
> +.UR ftp://ftp.gwdg.de\:/pub\:/linux\:/misc\:/ncpfs
> .UE .
> .TP
> .B nfs
>
--
Michael Kerrisk
Linux man-pages maintainer; http://www.kernel.org/doc/man-pages/
Linux/UNIX System Programming Training: http://man7.org/training/
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* Re: [PATCH 2/3] filesystems.5: note ncpfs removal from kernel
2020-12-18 15:30 ` [PATCH 2/3] filesystems.5: note ncpfs removal from kernel Alejandro Colomar
@ 2020-12-20 14:44 ` Michael Kerrisk (man-pages)
0 siblings, 0 replies; 9+ messages in thread
From: Michael Kerrisk (man-pages) @ 2020-12-20 14:44 UTC (permalink / raw)
To: Alejandro Colomar
Cc: mtk.manpages, Ahelenia Ziemiańska, linux-man,
Greg Kroah-Hartman, Stephen Hemminger, David S . Miller
On 12/18/20 4:30 PM, Alejandro Colomar wrote:
> From: Ahelenia Ziemiańska <nabijaczleweli@nabijaczleweli.xyz>
>
> Relevant Linux commits:
> * moved to staging in 1bb8155080c652c4853e6228f8f0d262b3049699
> (describe: v4.15-rc1-129-g1bb8155080c6) in Nov 2017,
> described as "broken" and "obsolete"
> * purged in bd32895c750bcd2b511bf93917bf7ae723e3d0b6
> (describe: v4.17-rc3-1010-gbd32895c750b) in Jun 2018,
> "since no one has complained or even noticed it was gone"
>
> Signed-off-by: Ahelenia Ziemiańska <nabijaczleweli@nabijaczleweli.xyz>
> Signed-off-by: Alejandro Colomar <alx.manpages@gmail.com>
Thanks! Patch applied.
Cheers,
Michael
> ---
> man5/filesystems.5 | 5 +++--
> 1 file changed, 3 insertions(+), 2 deletions(-)
>
> diff --git a/man5/filesystems.5 b/man5/filesystems.5
> index 6ec2de9f0..71be05230 100644
> --- a/man5/filesystems.5
> +++ b/man5/filesystems.5
> @@ -152,8 +152,9 @@ filenames can be no longer than 8 characters, followed by an
> optional period and 3 character extension.
> .TP
> .B ncpfs
> -is a network filesystem that supports the NCP protocol, used by
> -Novell NetWare.
> +is a network filesystem that supports the NCP protocol,
> +used by Novell NetWare.
> +It was was removed from the kernel in 4.17.
> .IP
> To use
> .BR ncpfs ,
>
--
Michael Kerrisk
Linux man-pages maintainer; http://www.kernel.org/doc/man-pages/
Linux/UNIX System Programming Training: http://man7.org/training/
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* Re: [PATCH 3/3] filesystems.5: wfix: ntfs: remove FAT comparison
2020-12-18 15:30 ` [PATCH 3/3] filesystems.5: wfix: ntfs: remove FAT comparison Alejandro Colomar
@ 2020-12-20 14:47 ` Michael Kerrisk (man-pages)
2020-12-29 11:11 ` Alejandro Colomar (man-pages)
0 siblings, 1 reply; 9+ messages in thread
From: Michael Kerrisk (man-pages) @ 2020-12-20 14:47 UTC (permalink / raw)
To: Alejandro Colomar
Cc: mtk.manpages, наб,
linux-man, Greg Kroah-Hartman, Stephen Hemminger,
David S . Miller
Hello Alex and наб
On 12/18/20 4:30 PM, Alejandro Colomar wrote:
> From: наб <nabijaczleweli@nabijaczleweli.xyz>
>
> The main point I was driving at with this patch was to fix
> "Microsoft Window's FAT filesystems" (i.e. FAT filesystems which belong
> to Microsoft Window, which is decidedly wrong).
>
> FAT32 first shipped with MS-DOS 7.1, as part of Windows 95 OSR2,
> but it's a (relatively) simple logical extension of the previous FATx
> filesystems (16 and 12 as we know and love them today,
> I don't think the PC ever saw 8), hence the "VFAT" driver name ‒
> calling FAT-anything a Windows filesystem would be a flat-out lie,
> calling it a Microsoft filesystem would be, uh, facetious.
>
> NTFS (as part of Windows NT), on the other hand, is wholly different
> WRT the scope and feature-set (it does borrow some layouting from FAT,
> but reading NTFS as FAT doesn't get you very far, or much).
>
> The replacing bit is also questionable, especially in a.d. 2020:
> while it is true that you cannot install NT on FAT (after a certain
> point? my memory ain't what it used to be), and must therefore
> replace your existing FAT partitions with NTFS during upgrades;
> Windows NT 4.0, the last product to be NT-branded came out in 1996,
> i.e. you could not install Windows on FAT (and, therefore,
> upgrade it to NTFS, replacing it) during my entire lifetime.
>
> Indeed, in $(date +%Y) we live in a post-NTFS world ‒ putting NTFS in
> the same class as FAT beyond "is a filesystem" is a joke.
>
> Signed-off-by: Ahelenia Ziemiańska <nabijaczleweli@nabijaczleweli.xyz>
> Signed-off-by: Alejandro Colomar <alx.manpages@gmail.com>
Thanks. Patch applied. I cleaned up the commit message a little
(removed leading white spaces, formatted to 66 columns as per the
man-pages norm).
Cheers,
Michael
> ---
> man5/filesystems.5 | 5 ++---
> 1 file changed, 2 insertions(+), 3 deletions(-)
>
> diff --git a/man5/filesystems.5 b/man5/filesystems.5
> index 71be05230..7f2e02096 100644
> --- a/man5/filesystems.5
> +++ b/man5/filesystems.5
> @@ -166,9 +166,8 @@ you need special programs, which can be found at
> is the network filesystem used to access disks located on remote computers.
> .TP
> .B ntfs
> -replaces Microsoft Window's FAT filesystems (VFAT, FAT32).
> -It has reliability, performance, and space-utilization enhancements
> -plus features like ACLs, journaling, encryption, and so on.
> +is the filesystem native to Microsoft Windows NT,
> +supporting features like ACLs, journaling, encryption, and so on.
> .TP
> .B proc
> is a pseudo filesystem which is used as an interface to kernel data
>
--
Michael Kerrisk
Linux man-pages maintainer; http://www.kernel.org/doc/man-pages/
Linux/UNIX System Programming Training: http://man7.org/training/
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* Re: [PATCH 3/3] filesystems.5: wfix: ntfs: remove FAT comparison
2020-12-20 14:47 ` Michael Kerrisk (man-pages)
@ 2020-12-29 11:11 ` Alejandro Colomar (man-pages)
2020-12-29 20:00 ` Michael Kerrisk (man-pages)
0 siblings, 1 reply; 9+ messages in thread
From: Alejandro Colomar (man-pages) @ 2020-12-29 11:11 UTC (permalink / raw)
To: Michael Kerrisk (man-pages); +Cc: linux-man
[removed some CCs]
On 12/20/20 3:47 PM, Michael Kerrisk (man-pages) wrote:
> Hello Alex and наб
>
> On 12/18/20 4:30 PM, Alejandro Colomar wrote:
>> From: наб <nabijaczleweli@nabijaczleweli.xyz>
[...]
>>
>> Signed-off-by: Ahelenia Ziemiańska <nabijaczleweli@nabijaczleweli.xyz>
>> Signed-off-by: Alejandro Colomar <alx.manpages@gmail.com>
>
> Thanks. Patch applied. I cleaned up the commit message a little
> (removed leading white spaces, formatted to 66 columns as per the
> man-pages norm).
Hi Michael,
Where is that 66 col norm?
I've only found 75 for code in general (in man-pages(7)),
but not 66 for the commit msg.
Thanks,
Alex
>
> Cheers,
>
> Michael
--
Alejandro Colomar
Linux man-pages comaintainer; https://www.kernel.org/doc/man-pages/
http://www.alejandro-colomar.es/
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* Re: [PATCH 3/3] filesystems.5: wfix: ntfs: remove FAT comparison
2020-12-29 11:11 ` Alejandro Colomar (man-pages)
@ 2020-12-29 20:00 ` Michael Kerrisk (man-pages)
0 siblings, 0 replies; 9+ messages in thread
From: Michael Kerrisk (man-pages) @ 2020-12-29 20:00 UTC (permalink / raw)
To: Alejandro Colomar (man-pages); +Cc: linux-man
Hi Alejandro,
On Tue, 29 Dec 2020 at 12:11, Alejandro Colomar (man-pages)
<alx.manpages@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> [removed some CCs]
>
> On 12/20/20 3:47 PM, Michael Kerrisk (man-pages) wrote:
> > Hello Alex and наб
> >
> > On 12/18/20 4:30 PM, Alejandro Colomar wrote:
> >> From: наб <nabijaczleweli@nabijaczleweli.xyz>
> [...]
> >>
> >> Signed-off-by: Ahelenia Ziemiańska <nabijaczleweli@nabijaczleweli.xyz>
> >> Signed-off-by: Alejandro Colomar <alx.manpages@gmail.com>
> >
> > Thanks. Patch applied. I cleaned up the commit message a little
> > (removed leading white spaces, formatted to 66 columns as per the
> > man-pages norm).
>
> Hi Michael,
>
> Where is that 66 col norm?
> I've only found 75 for code in general (in man-pages(7)),
> but not 66 for the commit msg.
True. It's not documented anywhere. It's a limit that I apply so that
the changelog that I produce fits in 80 columns (66 = 80 - 2 * 8-space
indents). I quite frequently reformat patches for that limit. Don't
feel obliged to follow that, but I'll probably reformat your commit
messages :-).
Cheers,
Michael
--
Michael Kerrisk
Linux man-pages maintainer; http://www.kernel.org/doc/man-pages/
Linux/UNIX System Programming Training: http://man7.org/training/
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