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From: Konstantin Khlebnikov <koct9i@gmail.com>
To: Tejun Heo <tj@kernel.org>
Cc: Greg Thelen <gthelen@google.com>,
	Konstantin Khlebnikov <khlebnikov@yandex-team.ru>,
	Johannes Weiner <hannes@cmpxchg.org>,
	Michal Hocko <mhocko@suse.cz>, Cgroups <cgroups@vger.kernel.org>,
	"linux-mm@kvack.org" <linux-mm@kvack.org>,
	"linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org" <linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org>,
	Jan Kara <jack@suse.cz>, Dave Chinner <david@fromorbit.com>,
	Jens Axboe <axboe@kernel.dk>,
	Christoph Hellwig <hch@infradead.org>,
	Li Zefan <lizefan@huawei.com>, Hugh Dickins <hughd@google.com>
Subject: Re: [RFC] Making memcg track ownership per address_space or anon_vma
Date: Thu, 12 Feb 2015 02:15:29 +0400	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <CALYGNiMgpU51vNr186x6h-uh_9NqaTqZ_a2L60XG0STozy=30g@mail.gmail.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <20150211220530.GA12728@htj.duckdns.org>

On Thu, Feb 12, 2015 at 1:05 AM, Tejun Heo <tj@kernel.org> wrote:
> On Thu, Feb 12, 2015 at 01:57:04AM +0400, Konstantin Khlebnikov wrote:
>> On Thu, Feb 12, 2015 at 12:46 AM, Tejun Heo <tj@kernel.org> wrote:
>> > Hello,
>> >
>> > On Thu, Feb 12, 2015 at 12:22:34AM +0300, Konstantin Khlebnikov wrote:
>> >> > Yeah, available memory to the matching memcg and the number of dirty
>> >> > pages in it.  It's gonna work the same way as the global case just
>> >> > scoped to the cgroup.
>> >>
>> >> That might be a problem: all dirty pages accounted to cgroup must be
>> >> reachable for its own personal writeback or balanace-drity-pages will be
>> >> unable to satisfy memcg dirty memory thresholds. I've done accounting
>> >
>> > Yeah, it would.  Why wouldn't it?
>>
>> How do you plan to do per-memcg/blkcg writeback for balance-dirty-pages?
>> Or you're thinking only about separating writeback flow into blkio cgroups
>> without actual inode filtering? I mean delaying inode writeback and keeping
>> dirty pages as long as possible if their cgroups are far from threshold.
>
> What?  The code was already in the previous patchset.  I'm just gonna
> rip out the code to handle inode being dirtied on multiple wb's.

Well, ok. Even if shared writes are rare whey should be handled somehow
without relying on kupdate-like writeback. If memcg has a lot of dirty pages
but their inodes are accidentially belong to wrong wb queues when tasks in
that memcg shouldn't stuck in balance-dirty-pages until somebody outside
acidentially writes this data. That's all what I wanted to say.

>
> --
> tejun

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From: Konstantin Khlebnikov <koct9i@gmail.com>
To: Tejun Heo <tj@kernel.org>
Cc: Greg Thelen <gthelen@google.com>,
	Konstantin Khlebnikov <khlebnikov@yandex-team.ru>,
	Johannes Weiner <hannes@cmpxchg.org>,
	Michal Hocko <mhocko@suse.cz>, Cgroups <cgroups@vger.kernel.org>,
	"linux-mm@kvack.org" <linux-mm@kvack.org>,
	"linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org" <linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org>,
	Jan Kara <jack@suse.cz>, Dave Chinner <david@fromorbit.com>,
	Jens Axboe <axboe@kernel.dk>,
	Christoph Hellwig <hch@infradead.org>,
	Li Zefan <lizefan@huawei.com>, Hugh Dickins <hughd@google.com>
Subject: Re: [RFC] Making memcg track ownership per address_space or anon_vma
Date: Thu, 12 Feb 2015 02:15:29 +0400	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <CALYGNiMgpU51vNr186x6h-uh_9NqaTqZ_a2L60XG0STozy=30g@mail.gmail.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <20150211220530.GA12728@htj.duckdns.org>

On Thu, Feb 12, 2015 at 1:05 AM, Tejun Heo <tj@kernel.org> wrote:
> On Thu, Feb 12, 2015 at 01:57:04AM +0400, Konstantin Khlebnikov wrote:
>> On Thu, Feb 12, 2015 at 12:46 AM, Tejun Heo <tj@kernel.org> wrote:
>> > Hello,
>> >
>> > On Thu, Feb 12, 2015 at 12:22:34AM +0300, Konstantin Khlebnikov wrote:
>> >> > Yeah, available memory to the matching memcg and the number of dirty
>> >> > pages in it.  It's gonna work the same way as the global case just
>> >> > scoped to the cgroup.
>> >>
>> >> That might be a problem: all dirty pages accounted to cgroup must be
>> >> reachable for its own personal writeback or balanace-drity-pages will be
>> >> unable to satisfy memcg dirty memory thresholds. I've done accounting
>> >
>> > Yeah, it would.  Why wouldn't it?
>>
>> How do you plan to do per-memcg/blkcg writeback for balance-dirty-pages?
>> Or you're thinking only about separating writeback flow into blkio cgroups
>> without actual inode filtering? I mean delaying inode writeback and keeping
>> dirty pages as long as possible if their cgroups are far from threshold.
>
> What?  The code was already in the previous patchset.  I'm just gonna
> rip out the code to handle inode being dirtied on multiple wb's.

Well, ok. Even if shared writes are rare whey should be handled somehow
without relying on kupdate-like writeback. If memcg has a lot of dirty pages
but their inodes are accidentially belong to wrong wb queues when tasks in
that memcg shouldn't stuck in balance-dirty-pages until somebody outside
acidentially writes this data. That's all what I wanted to say.

>
> --
> tejun

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From: Konstantin Khlebnikov <koct9i-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w@public.gmane.org>
To: Tejun Heo <tj-DgEjT+Ai2ygdnm+yROfE0A@public.gmane.org>
Cc: Greg Thelen <gthelen-hpIqsD4AKlfQT0dZR+AlfA@public.gmane.org>,
	Konstantin Khlebnikov
	<khlebnikov-XoJtRXgx1JseBXzfvpsJ4g@public.gmane.org>,
	Johannes Weiner <hannes-druUgvl0LCNAfugRpC6u6w@public.gmane.org>,
	Michal Hocko <mhocko-AlSwsSmVLrQ@public.gmane.org>,
	Cgroups <cgroups-u79uwXL29TY76Z2rM5mHXA@public.gmane.org>,
	"linux-mm-Bw31MaZKKs3YtjvyW6yDsg@public.gmane.org"
	<linux-mm-Bw31MaZKKs3YtjvyW6yDsg@public.gmane.org>,
	"linux-kernel-u79uwXL29TY76Z2rM5mHXA@public.gmane.org"
	<linux-kernel-u79uwXL29TY76Z2rM5mHXA@public.gmane.org>,
	Jan Kara <jack-AlSwsSmVLrQ@public.gmane.org>,
	Dave Chinner <david-FqsqvQoI3Ljby3iVrkZq2A@public.gmane.org>,
	Jens Axboe <axboe-tSWWG44O7X1aa/9Udqfwiw@public.gmane.org>,
	Christoph Hellwig <hch-wEGCiKHe2LqWVfeAwA7xHQ@public.gmane.org>,
	Li Zefan <lizefan-hv44wF8Li93QT0dZR+AlfA@public.gmane.org>,
	Hugh Dickins <hughd-hpIqsD4AKlfQT0dZR+AlfA@public.gmane.org>
Subject: Re: [RFC] Making memcg track ownership per address_space or anon_vma
Date: Thu, 12 Feb 2015 02:15:29 +0400	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <CALYGNiMgpU51vNr186x6h-uh_9NqaTqZ_a2L60XG0STozy=30g@mail.gmail.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <20150211220530.GA12728-piEFEHQLUPpN0TnZuCh8vA@public.gmane.org>

On Thu, Feb 12, 2015 at 1:05 AM, Tejun Heo <tj-DgEjT+Ai2ygdnm+yROfE0A@public.gmane.org> wrote:
> On Thu, Feb 12, 2015 at 01:57:04AM +0400, Konstantin Khlebnikov wrote:
>> On Thu, Feb 12, 2015 at 12:46 AM, Tejun Heo <tj-DgEjT+Ai2ygdnm+yROfE0A@public.gmane.org> wrote:
>> > Hello,
>> >
>> > On Thu, Feb 12, 2015 at 12:22:34AM +0300, Konstantin Khlebnikov wrote:
>> >> > Yeah, available memory to the matching memcg and the number of dirty
>> >> > pages in it.  It's gonna work the same way as the global case just
>> >> > scoped to the cgroup.
>> >>
>> >> That might be a problem: all dirty pages accounted to cgroup must be
>> >> reachable for its own personal writeback or balanace-drity-pages will be
>> >> unable to satisfy memcg dirty memory thresholds. I've done accounting
>> >
>> > Yeah, it would.  Why wouldn't it?
>>
>> How do you plan to do per-memcg/blkcg writeback for balance-dirty-pages?
>> Or you're thinking only about separating writeback flow into blkio cgroups
>> without actual inode filtering? I mean delaying inode writeback and keeping
>> dirty pages as long as possible if their cgroups are far from threshold.
>
> What?  The code was already in the previous patchset.  I'm just gonna
> rip out the code to handle inode being dirtied on multiple wb's.

Well, ok. Even if shared writes are rare whey should be handled somehow
without relying on kupdate-like writeback. If memcg has a lot of dirty pages
but their inodes are accidentially belong to wrong wb queues when tasks in
that memcg shouldn't stuck in balance-dirty-pages until somebody outside
acidentially writes this data. That's all what I wanted to say.

>
> --
> tejun

  reply	other threads:[~2015-02-11 22:15 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 74+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2015-01-30  4:43 [RFC] Making memcg track ownership per address_space or anon_vma Tejun Heo
2015-01-30  4:43 ` Tejun Heo
2015-01-30  5:55 ` Greg Thelen
2015-01-30  5:55   ` Greg Thelen
2015-01-30  6:27   ` Tejun Heo
2015-01-30  6:27     ` Tejun Heo
2015-01-30 16:07     ` Tejun Heo
2015-01-30 16:07       ` Tejun Heo
2015-01-30 16:07       ` Tejun Heo
2015-02-02 19:26       ` Konstantin Khlebnikov
2015-02-02 19:26         ` Konstantin Khlebnikov
2015-02-02 19:46         ` Tejun Heo
2015-02-02 19:46           ` Tejun Heo
2015-02-03 23:30           ` Greg Thelen
2015-02-03 23:30             ` Greg Thelen
2015-02-04 10:49             ` Konstantin Khlebnikov
2015-02-04 10:49               ` Konstantin Khlebnikov
2015-02-04 17:15               ` Tejun Heo
2015-02-04 17:15                 ` Tejun Heo
2015-02-04 17:58                 ` Konstantin Khlebnikov
2015-02-04 17:58                   ` Konstantin Khlebnikov
2015-02-04 18:28                   ` Tejun Heo
2015-02-04 18:28                     ` Tejun Heo
2015-02-04 18:28                     ` Tejun Heo
2015-02-04 17:06             ` Tejun Heo
2015-02-04 17:06               ` Tejun Heo
2015-02-04 23:51               ` Greg Thelen
2015-02-04 23:51                 ` Greg Thelen
2015-02-04 23:51                 ` Greg Thelen
2015-02-05 13:15                 ` Tejun Heo
2015-02-05 13:15                   ` Tejun Heo
2015-02-05 22:05                   ` Greg Thelen
2015-02-05 22:05                     ` Greg Thelen
2015-02-05 22:25                     ` Tejun Heo
2015-02-05 22:25                       ` Tejun Heo
2015-02-05 22:25                       ` Tejun Heo
2015-02-06  0:03                       ` Greg Thelen
2015-02-06  0:03                         ` Greg Thelen
2015-02-06 14:17                         ` Tejun Heo
2015-02-06 14:17                           ` Tejun Heo
2015-02-06 23:43                           ` Greg Thelen
2015-02-06 23:43                             ` Greg Thelen
2015-02-07 14:38                             ` Tejun Heo
2015-02-07 14:38                               ` Tejun Heo
2015-02-07 14:38                               ` Tejun Heo
2015-02-11  2:19                               ` Tejun Heo
2015-02-11  2:19                                 ` Tejun Heo
2015-02-11  2:19                                 ` Tejun Heo
2015-02-11  7:32                                 ` Jan Kara
2015-02-11  7:32                                   ` Jan Kara
2015-02-11  7:32                                   ` Jan Kara
2015-02-11 18:28                                 ` Greg Thelen
2015-02-11 18:28                                   ` Greg Thelen
2015-02-11 18:28                                   ` Greg Thelen
2015-02-11 20:33                                   ` Tejun Heo
2015-02-11 20:33                                     ` Tejun Heo
2015-02-11 21:22                                     ` Konstantin Khlebnikov
2015-02-11 21:22                                       ` Konstantin Khlebnikov
2015-02-11 21:22                                       ` Konstantin Khlebnikov
2015-02-11 21:46                                       ` Tejun Heo
2015-02-11 21:46                                         ` Tejun Heo
2015-02-11 21:57                                         ` Konstantin Khlebnikov
2015-02-11 21:57                                           ` Konstantin Khlebnikov
2015-02-11 21:57                                           ` Konstantin Khlebnikov
2015-02-11 22:05                                           ` Tejun Heo
2015-02-11 22:05                                             ` Tejun Heo
2015-02-11 22:05                                             ` Tejun Heo
2015-02-11 22:15                                             ` Konstantin Khlebnikov [this message]
2015-02-11 22:15                                               ` Konstantin Khlebnikov
2015-02-11 22:15                                               ` Konstantin Khlebnikov
2015-02-11 22:30                                               ` Tejun Heo
2015-02-11 22:30                                                 ` Tejun Heo
2015-02-12  2:10                                     ` Greg Thelen
2015-02-12  2:10                                       ` Greg Thelen

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