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From: Julius Werner <jwerner@chromium.org>
To: Manish Pandey2 <Manish.Pandey2@arm.com>
Cc: "Daniel Thompson" <daniel.thompson@linaro.org>,
	"François Ozog" <francois.ozog@linaro.org>,
	"Julius Werner" <jwerner@chromium.org>,
	"Ed Stuber" <edstuber@amperecomputing.com>,
	"Boot Architecture Mailman List"
	<boot-architecture@lists.linaro.org>,
	undefined <loic.pallardy@st.com>,
	"Harb Abdulhamid OS" <abdulhamid@os.amperecomputing.com>,
	"Simon Glass" <sjg@chromium.org>,
	"Arjun Khare" <akhare@amperecomputing.com>,
	"U-Boot Mailing List" <u-boot@lists.denx.de>,
	"tf-a@lists.trustedfirmware.org" <tf-a@lists.trustedfirmware.org>,
	"Paul Isaac's" <paul.isaacs@linaro.org>,
	"Ron Minnich" <rminnich@google.com>,
	"Moe Ammar" <moe@amperecomputing.com>
Subject: Re: [TF-A] Proposal: TF-A to adopt hand-off blocks (HOBs) for information passing between boot stages
Date: Fri, 9 Jul 2021 16:06:56 -0700	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <CAODwPW9BeY+xL02UeMkEXM4ABj2wSNx_am4nThO8Ev5RXMwGFw@mail.gmail.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <VI1PR08MB34722CEB749F941F19EDD1E9C0189@VI1PR08MB3472.eurprd08.prod.outlook.com>

> - "bloblist" is a general term for concept of linked list and it's not exactly U-boot implementation. The proposed solution will cause some degree of changes in all the participating projects. For backward compatibility issue, we have already though about it and proposed to have build configs which will be enabled by platform integrators.

Okay, let's gather the requirements and then decide how the existing
system needs to be expanded to meet them. Please keep me in the loop
on those discussions.

> > U-Boot has an established mechanism which is used in particular on all chrome
> > books in both x86 and Arm environments.  I have the impression that
> > U-Boot is the typical BL33 so I would import the mechanism into TFA,
> > not the other way round.

There has been no Chromebook (x86 or Arm) shipping with U-Boot since
2013 (before TF-A existed). In fact, Chromebooks are all running
coreboot today and using the bl_aux_params mechanism (it's 3 SoC
vendors, more than 3 SoCs, but the parameter code is shared at the
vendor level), and one of my concerns here is trying to limit
disruption to those existing setups. I don't have enough data to say
what the "typical" boot flow among all TF-A devices in existence is,
but at least for the millions of Chromebooks out there it is coreboot
+ TF-A, not U-Boot.

  reply	other threads:[~2021-07-09 23:07 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 54+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
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     [not found]         ` <MW2PR0102MB345115D85F03D5863BB3EDB8EE649@MW2PR0102MB3451.prod.exchangelabs.com>
2021-03-24 22:35           ` [TF-A] Proposal: TF-A to adopt hand-off blocks (HOBs) for information passing between boot stages Simon Glass
     [not found]           ` <0100017866b46da2-7ac1b1ae-03f2-4048-81f8-bd38fb59b99f-000000@email.amazonses.com>
2021-03-25  2:42             ` Julius Werner
     [not found]             ` <010001786743f45c-823a9973-7ac5-4f32-bd9d-a5c244d22b31-000000@email.amazonses.com>
2021-03-26 14:58               ` raghu.ncstate at icloud.com
2021-03-29  7:42                 ` Simon Glass
2021-03-29 10:18                   ` Grant Likely
2021-03-29 22:24                     ` Simon Glass
2021-03-29 23:48                 ` Julius Werner
2021-03-30 19:01                   ` raghu.ncstate at icloud.com
     [not found]             ` <010001786743a2ac-3d2da6df-c6f2-4e19-acaa-628ff7d466c2-000000@email.amazonses.com>
2021-04-08 11:55               ` Manish Pandey2
2021-04-08 17:24                 ` Harb Abdulhamid OS
2021-04-08 18:19                   ` Simon Glass
2021-04-08 18:58                     ` Mark Kettenis
2021-04-12 15:16                       ` François Ozog
2021-04-08 21:22                   ` Julius Werner
     [not found]               ` <01000178b1570317-d1af5a40-d575-49ef-9b91-06abe8d04f4b-000000@email.amazonses.com>
2021-04-08 15:50                 ` François Ozog
2021-04-30 12:13                   ` Manish Pandey2
2021-05-05 17:42                     ` Harb Abdulhamid OS
2021-05-05 22:49                       ` Simon Glass
     [not found]                       ` <010001793ebb08a4-29440b1d-778d-4a80-8def-619c2946e275-000000@email.amazonses.com>
2021-05-14 12:29                         ` Okash Khawaja
     [not found]                         ` <010001796adacdd6-3f239ac5-27bb-4c79-a878-30592929b893-000000@email.amazonses.com>
2021-05-16 10:18                           ` Joanna Farley
     [not found]                           ` <0100017974aff4fb-0af45782-0b60-4724-b300-822f8fe4b799-000000@email.amazonses.com>
2021-05-19  1:57                             ` Madhukar Pappireddy
     [not found]                             ` <0100017982591630-15bf1d32-8f0b-4b2a-bb4d-a2ba39760820-000000@email.amazonses.com>
2021-05-19  2:50                               ` Madhukar Pappireddy
2021-05-19 14:33                                 ` Joanna Farley
2021-05-19 14:41                                   ` Joanna Farley
2021-06-02 14:29                                 ` Joanna Farley
2021-06-02 15:26                                   ` Joanna Farley
2021-06-10 21:57                                     ` Manish Pandey2
2021-06-11 11:51                                       ` François Ozog
2021-06-17 19:37                                         ` Simon Glass
2021-06-17 19:47                                           ` François Ozog
2021-07-08 11:18                                             ` Manish Pandey2
2021-07-08 11:48                                               ` François Ozog
     [not found]                                             ` <0100017a8648f3d5-98a3bce6-b2dc-48cb-84e4-c292bcef5622-000000@email.amazonses.com>
2021-07-08 21:56                                               ` Julius Werner
2021-07-08 22:31                                                 ` Simon Glass
2021-07-09  1:08                                                   ` Julius Werner
2021-07-09  7:05                                                     ` François Ozog
2021-07-09 10:07                                                       ` Daniel Thompson
2021-07-09 15:43                                                         ` Manish Pandey2
2021-07-09 23:06                                                           ` Julius Werner [this message]
2021-07-15 14:25                                                             ` François Ozog
2021-07-15 15:03                                                               ` Simon Glass
2021-07-16  2:23                                                                 ` Julius Werner
     [not found]                                           ` <0100017a1b8bea04-71a338d9-55ac-4163-80c9-2c350d62d425-000000@email.amazonses.com>
2021-06-17 23:45                                             ` raghu.ncstate
2021-06-18 14:43                                               ` Ron Minnich
2021-06-18 16:45                                               ` Simon Glass
2021-06-18 17:17                                               ` Tom Rini
2021-06-21  9:57                                                 ` François Ozog
2021-05-19 21:50                               ` Jeremy Linton
     [not found]                               ` <01000179869c5dac-96846caa-3f3d-4987-8d70-6843f9e46090-000000@email.amazonses.com>
2021-05-20  5:34                                 ` François Ozog
2021-05-20 10:34                               ` Julian Hall
2021-05-20 16:42                                 ` Simon Glass
2021-06-21 10:32                                   ` Alexander Graf
2021-06-21 10:38                                     ` François Ozog
     [not found]                             ` <010001798258ec0b-a221c5f8-618a-456c-9068-b7cc44aa9dec-000000@email.amazonses.com>
2021-05-20  5:45                               ` François Ozog

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