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From: Dan Williams <dan.j.williams@intel.com>
To: Linda Knippers <linda.knippers@hp.com>
Cc: Toshi Kani <toshi.kani@hp.com>,
	"linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org" <linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org>,
	"linux-nvdimm@lists.01.org" <linux-nvdimm@lists.01.org>
Subject: Re: [Linux-nvdimm] [PATCH 04/21] nd: create an 'nd_bus' from an 'nfit_desc'
Date: Wed, 22 Apr 2015 11:20:44 -0700	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <CAPcyv4jNL-R_zHt2=O-sD+hqsL-a7mP7Tmi0t9H0StKxaFsgUg@mail.gmail.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <5537E1D9.6010609@hp.com>

On Wed, Apr 22, 2015 at 11:00 AM, Linda Knippers <linda.knippers@hp.com> wrote:
> On 4/22/2015 1:03 PM, Dan Williams wrote:
>> On Wed, Apr 22, 2015 at 9:39 AM, Toshi Kani <toshi.kani@hp.com> wrote:
>>> On Tue, 2015-04-21 at 13:35 -0700, Dan Williams wrote:
>>>> On Tue, Apr 21, 2015 at 12:55 PM, Toshi Kani <toshi.kani@hp.com> wrote:
>>>>> On Tue, 2015-04-21 at 12:58 -0700, Dan Williams wrote:
>>>>>> On Tue, Apr 21, 2015 at 12:35 PM, Toshi Kani <toshi.kani@hp.com> wrote:
>>>>>>> On Fri, 2015-04-17 at 21:35 -0400, Dan Williams wrote:
>>>>>>>  :
>>>>>>>> +
>>>>>>>> +static int nd_mem_init(struct nd_bus *nd_bus)
>>>>>>>> +{
>>>>>>>> +     struct nd_spa *nd_spa;
>>>>>>>> +
>>>>>>>> +     /*
>>>>>>>> +      * For each SPA-DCR address range find its corresponding
>>>>>>>> +      * MEMDEV(s).  From each MEMDEV find the corresponding DCR.
>>>>>>>> +      * Then, try to find a SPA-BDW and a corresponding BDW that
>>>>>>>> +      * references the DCR.  Throw it all into an nd_mem object.
>>>>>>>> +      * Note, that BDWs are optional.
>>>>>>>> +      */
>>>>>>>> +     list_for_each_entry(nd_spa, &nd_bus->spas, list) {
>>>>>>>> +             u16 spa_index = readw(&nd_spa->nfit_spa->spa_index);
>>>>>>>> +             int type = nfit_spa_type(nd_spa->nfit_spa);
>>>>>>>> +             struct nd_mem *nd_mem, *found;
>>>>>>>> +             struct nd_memdev *nd_memdev;
>>>>>>>> +             u16 dcr_index;
>>>>>>>> +
>>>>>>>> +             if (type != NFIT_SPA_DCR)
>>>>>>>> +                     continue;
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> This function requires NFIT_SPA_DCR, SPA Range Structure with NVDIMM
>>>>>>> Control Region GUID, for initializing an nd_mem object.  However,
>>>>>>> battery-backed DIMMs do not have such control region SPA.  IIUC, the
>>>>>>> NFIT spec does not require NFIT_SPA_DCR.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Can you change this function to work with NFIT_SPA_PM as well?
>>>>>>
>>>>>> NFIT_SPA_PM ranges are handled separately from nd_mem_init().  See
>>>>>> nd_region_create() in patch 10.
>>>>>
>>>>> If nd_mem_init() does not initialize nd_mem objects, nd_bus_probe() in
>>>>> core.c fails in nd_bus_init_interleave_sets() and skips all subsequent
>>>>> nd_bus_xxx() calls.  So, nd_region_create() won't be called.
>>>>>
>>>>> nd_bus_init_interleave_sets() fails because init_interleave_set()
>>>>> returns -ENODEV if (!nd_mem).
>>>>
>>>> Ah, ok  your test case is specifying PMEM backed by memory device
>>>> info.  We have a test case for simple ranges (nfit_test1_setup()), but
>>>> it doesn't hit this bug because it does not specify any memory-device
>>>> tables.
>>>
>>> Yes, we have NFIT table with SPA range (PM), memory device to SPA, and
>>> NVDIMM control region structures.  With the memory device to SPA
>>> structure, this code requires full sets of information, including the
>>> namespace label data in _DSM [1], which is outside of ACPI 6.0 and is
>>> optional.  Battery-backed DIMMs do not have such label data.
>>
>> This is what "nd_namespace_io" devices are for, they do not require labels.
>>
>> Question, if you don't have labels and you don't have DSMs then why
>> publish a MEMDEV table at all?  Why not simply publish an anonymous
>> range?  See nfit_test1_setup().
>
> The MEMDEV table provides useful information, and there may be _DSMs,
> perhaps just not the same _DSM as some other devices.
>
>>> It needs
>>> to work with NFIT table with these structures without this _DSM or with
>>> a different type of _DSM which this code may or may not need to support.
>>> It should also check Region Format Interface Code (RFIC) in the NVDIMM
>>> control region structure before assuming this _DSM is present to
>>> implement RFIC 0x0201.
>>
>> Ok I can look into adding this check, but I don't think it is
>> necessary if you simply refrain from publishing a MEMDEV entry.
>
> But we need the MEMDEV. And as Toshi mentions, we could have other
> RFICs with other _DSMs than your example.  That's why there is an RFIC.

Wait, point of clarification, DCRs (dimm-control-regions) have RFICs,
not MEMDEVs (memory-device-to-spa-mapping).  Toshi's original report
was that an NFIT with a SPA+MEMDEV was failing to enable a PMEM
device.  That specific problem can be fixed by either deleting the
MEMDEV, or adding a DCR.

Of course, if you add a DCR with a different intended DSM layout than
the DSM-example-interface the driver will need to add support for
handling that case.

WARNING: multiple messages have this Message-ID (diff)
From: Dan Williams <dan.j.williams@intel.com>
To: Linda Knippers <linda.knippers@hp.com>
Cc: Toshi Kani <toshi.kani@hp.com>,
	"linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org" <linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org>,
	"linux-nvdimm@lists.01.org" <linux-nvdimm@ml01.01.org>
Subject: Re: [Linux-nvdimm] [PATCH 04/21] nd: create an 'nd_bus' from an 'nfit_desc'
Date: Wed, 22 Apr 2015 11:20:44 -0700	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <CAPcyv4jNL-R_zHt2=O-sD+hqsL-a7mP7Tmi0t9H0StKxaFsgUg@mail.gmail.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <5537E1D9.6010609@hp.com>

On Wed, Apr 22, 2015 at 11:00 AM, Linda Knippers <linda.knippers@hp.com> wrote:
> On 4/22/2015 1:03 PM, Dan Williams wrote:
>> On Wed, Apr 22, 2015 at 9:39 AM, Toshi Kani <toshi.kani@hp.com> wrote:
>>> On Tue, 2015-04-21 at 13:35 -0700, Dan Williams wrote:
>>>> On Tue, Apr 21, 2015 at 12:55 PM, Toshi Kani <toshi.kani@hp.com> wrote:
>>>>> On Tue, 2015-04-21 at 12:58 -0700, Dan Williams wrote:
>>>>>> On Tue, Apr 21, 2015 at 12:35 PM, Toshi Kani <toshi.kani@hp.com> wrote:
>>>>>>> On Fri, 2015-04-17 at 21:35 -0400, Dan Williams wrote:
>>>>>>>  :
>>>>>>>> +
>>>>>>>> +static int nd_mem_init(struct nd_bus *nd_bus)
>>>>>>>> +{
>>>>>>>> +     struct nd_spa *nd_spa;
>>>>>>>> +
>>>>>>>> +     /*
>>>>>>>> +      * For each SPA-DCR address range find its corresponding
>>>>>>>> +      * MEMDEV(s).  From each MEMDEV find the corresponding DCR.
>>>>>>>> +      * Then, try to find a SPA-BDW and a corresponding BDW that
>>>>>>>> +      * references the DCR.  Throw it all into an nd_mem object.
>>>>>>>> +      * Note, that BDWs are optional.
>>>>>>>> +      */
>>>>>>>> +     list_for_each_entry(nd_spa, &nd_bus->spas, list) {
>>>>>>>> +             u16 spa_index = readw(&nd_spa->nfit_spa->spa_index);
>>>>>>>> +             int type = nfit_spa_type(nd_spa->nfit_spa);
>>>>>>>> +             struct nd_mem *nd_mem, *found;
>>>>>>>> +             struct nd_memdev *nd_memdev;
>>>>>>>> +             u16 dcr_index;
>>>>>>>> +
>>>>>>>> +             if (type != NFIT_SPA_DCR)
>>>>>>>> +                     continue;
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> This function requires NFIT_SPA_DCR, SPA Range Structure with NVDIMM
>>>>>>> Control Region GUID, for initializing an nd_mem object.  However,
>>>>>>> battery-backed DIMMs do not have such control region SPA.  IIUC, the
>>>>>>> NFIT spec does not require NFIT_SPA_DCR.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Can you change this function to work with NFIT_SPA_PM as well?
>>>>>>
>>>>>> NFIT_SPA_PM ranges are handled separately from nd_mem_init().  See
>>>>>> nd_region_create() in patch 10.
>>>>>
>>>>> If nd_mem_init() does not initialize nd_mem objects, nd_bus_probe() in
>>>>> core.c fails in nd_bus_init_interleave_sets() and skips all subsequent
>>>>> nd_bus_xxx() calls.  So, nd_region_create() won't be called.
>>>>>
>>>>> nd_bus_init_interleave_sets() fails because init_interleave_set()
>>>>> returns -ENODEV if (!nd_mem).
>>>>
>>>> Ah, ok  your test case is specifying PMEM backed by memory device
>>>> info.  We have a test case for simple ranges (nfit_test1_setup()), but
>>>> it doesn't hit this bug because it does not specify any memory-device
>>>> tables.
>>>
>>> Yes, we have NFIT table with SPA range (PM), memory device to SPA, and
>>> NVDIMM control region structures.  With the memory device to SPA
>>> structure, this code requires full sets of information, including the
>>> namespace label data in _DSM [1], which is outside of ACPI 6.0 and is
>>> optional.  Battery-backed DIMMs do not have such label data.
>>
>> This is what "nd_namespace_io" devices are for, they do not require labels.
>>
>> Question, if you don't have labels and you don't have DSMs then why
>> publish a MEMDEV table at all?  Why not simply publish an anonymous
>> range?  See nfit_test1_setup().
>
> The MEMDEV table provides useful information, and there may be _DSMs,
> perhaps just not the same _DSM as some other devices.
>
>>> It needs
>>> to work with NFIT table with these structures without this _DSM or with
>>> a different type of _DSM which this code may or may not need to support.
>>> It should also check Region Format Interface Code (RFIC) in the NVDIMM
>>> control region structure before assuming this _DSM is present to
>>> implement RFIC 0x0201.
>>
>> Ok I can look into adding this check, but I don't think it is
>> necessary if you simply refrain from publishing a MEMDEV entry.
>
> But we need the MEMDEV. And as Toshi mentions, we could have other
> RFICs with other _DSMs than your example.  That's why there is an RFIC.

Wait, point of clarification, DCRs (dimm-control-regions) have RFICs,
not MEMDEVs (memory-device-to-spa-mapping).  Toshi's original report
was that an NFIT with a SPA+MEMDEV was failing to enable a PMEM
device.  That specific problem can be fixed by either deleting the
MEMDEV, or adding a DCR.

Of course, if you add a DCR with a different intended DSM layout than
the DSM-example-interface the driver will need to add support for
handling that case.

  reply	other threads:[~2015-04-22 18:20 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 160+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2015-04-18  1:35 [PATCH 00/21] ND: NFIT-Defined / NVDIMM Subsystem Dan Williams
2015-04-18  1:35 ` Dan Williams
2015-04-18  1:35 ` [PATCH 01/21] e820, efi: add ACPI 6.0 persistent memory types Dan Williams
2015-04-18  1:35   ` Dan Williams
2015-04-18  4:41   ` Andy Lutomirski
2015-04-18  4:41     ` Andy Lutomirski
2015-04-19  7:46   ` Boaz Harrosh
2015-04-19  7:46     ` Boaz Harrosh
2015-04-20 17:08     ` Dan Williams
2015-04-20 17:08       ` Dan Williams
2015-04-28 12:46   ` [Linux-nvdimm] " Christoph Hellwig
2015-04-28 19:20     ` Dan Williams
2015-04-18  1:35 ` [PATCH 02/21] ND NFIT-Defined/NVIDIMM Subsystem Dan Williams
2015-04-18  1:35   ` Dan Williams
2015-04-20  7:06   ` Ingo Molnar
2015-04-20  7:06     ` Ingo Molnar
2015-04-20  8:14     ` Dan Williams
2015-04-20  8:14       ` Dan Williams
2015-04-20 12:53       ` Christoph Hellwig
2015-04-20 12:53         ` Christoph Hellwig
2015-04-20 15:57         ` Dan Williams
2015-04-20 15:57           ` Dan Williams
2015-04-21 13:38           ` Dan Williams
2015-04-21 13:38             ` Dan Williams
2015-04-28 12:48   ` [Linux-nvdimm] " Christoph Hellwig
2015-04-18  1:35 ` [PATCH 03/21] nd_acpi: initial core implementation and nfit skeleton Dan Williams
2015-04-18  1:35   ` Dan Williams
2015-04-18 19:41   ` Paul Bolle
2015-04-18 19:41     ` Paul Bolle
2015-04-19 19:12   ` Rafael J. Wysocki
2015-04-19 19:12     ` Rafael J. Wysocki
2015-04-28 12:53   ` [Linux-nvdimm] " Christoph Hellwig
2015-04-28 19:21     ` Dan Williams
2015-04-18  1:35 ` [PATCH 04/21] nd: create an 'nd_bus' from an 'nfit_desc' Dan Williams
2015-04-18  1:35   ` Dan Williams
2015-04-21 19:35   ` [Linux-nvdimm] " Toshi Kani
2015-04-21 19:35     ` Toshi Kani
2015-04-21 19:58     ` Dan Williams
2015-04-21 19:58       ` Dan Williams
2015-04-21 19:55       ` Toshi Kani
2015-04-21 19:55         ` Toshi Kani
2015-04-21 20:35         ` Dan Williams
2015-04-21 20:35           ` Dan Williams
2015-04-21 20:32           ` Toshi Kani
2015-04-21 20:32             ` Toshi Kani
2015-04-22 16:39           ` Toshi Kani
2015-04-22 16:39             ` Toshi Kani
2015-04-22 17:03             ` Dan Williams
2015-04-22 17:03               ` Dan Williams
2015-04-22 18:00               ` Linda Knippers
2015-04-22 18:00                 ` Linda Knippers
2015-04-22 18:20                 ` Dan Williams [this message]
2015-04-22 18:20                   ` Dan Williams
2015-04-22 18:23                   ` Toshi Kani
2015-04-22 18:23                     ` Toshi Kani
2015-04-22 19:28                     ` Dan Williams
2015-04-22 19:28                       ` Dan Williams
2015-04-22 19:38                       ` Toshi Kani
2015-04-22 19:38                         ` Toshi Kani
2015-04-22 20:00                         ` Dan Williams
2015-04-22 20:00                           ` Dan Williams
2015-04-28 16:47                           ` Toshi Kani
2015-04-28 16:47                             ` Toshi Kani
2015-04-28 17:14                             ` Toshi Kani
2015-04-28 17:14                               ` Toshi Kani
2015-04-18  1:35 ` [PATCH 05/21] nfit-test: manufactured NFITs for interface development Dan Williams
2015-04-18  1:35   ` Dan Williams
2015-04-24 21:47   ` [Linux-nvdimm] " Linda Knippers
2015-04-24 21:47     ` Linda Knippers
2015-04-24 21:50     ` Dan Williams
2015-04-24 21:50       ` Dan Williams
2015-04-24 21:59       ` Linda Knippers
2015-04-24 21:59         ` Linda Knippers
2015-04-24 23:02         ` Dan Williams
2015-04-24 23:02           ` Dan Williams
2015-04-28 12:54   ` Christoph Hellwig
2015-04-28 19:35     ` Dan Williams
2015-04-18  1:35 ` [PATCH 06/21] nd: ndctl class device, and nd bus attributes Dan Williams
2015-04-18  1:35   ` Dan Williams
2015-04-18  8:07   ` Greg KH
2015-04-18  8:07     ` Greg KH
2015-04-18 20:08     ` Dan Williams
2015-04-18 20:08       ` Dan Williams
2015-04-18  1:35 ` [PATCH 07/21] nd: dimm devices (nfit "memory-devices") Dan Williams
2015-04-18  1:35   ` Dan Williams
2015-04-18  8:06   ` Greg KH
2015-04-18  8:06     ` Greg KH
2015-04-18 20:12     ` Dan Williams
2015-04-18 20:12       ` Dan Williams
2015-04-18  1:35 ` [PATCH 08/21] nd: ndctl.h, the nd ioctl abi Dan Williams
2015-04-18  1:35   ` Dan Williams
2015-04-21 21:20   ` [Linux-nvdimm] " Toshi Kani
2015-04-21 21:20     ` Toshi Kani
2015-04-21 22:05     ` Dan Williams
2015-04-21 22:05       ` Dan Williams
2015-04-21 22:16       ` Toshi Kani
2015-04-21 22:16         ` Toshi Kani
2015-04-24 15:56   ` Toshi Kani
2015-04-24 15:56     ` Toshi Kani
2015-04-24 16:09     ` Toshi Kani
2015-04-24 16:09       ` Toshi Kani
2015-04-24 16:31       ` Dan Williams
2015-04-24 16:31         ` Dan Williams
2015-04-24 16:25     ` Dan Williams
2015-04-24 16:25       ` Dan Williams
2015-04-24 17:18       ` Toshi Kani
2015-04-24 17:18         ` Toshi Kani
2015-04-24 17:45         ` Dan Williams
2015-04-24 17:45           ` Dan Williams
2015-04-25  0:35           ` Toshi Kani
2015-04-25  0:35             ` Toshi Kani
2015-04-18  1:36 ` [PATCH 09/21] nd_dimm: dimm driver and base nd-bus device-driver infrastructure Dan Williams
2015-04-18  1:36   ` Dan Williams
2015-04-18  1:36 ` [PATCH 10/21] nd: regions (block-data-window, persistent memory, volatile memory) Dan Williams
2015-04-18  1:36   ` Dan Williams
2015-04-18  1:36 ` [PATCH 11/21] nd_region: support for legacy nvdimms Dan Williams
2015-04-18  1:36   ` Dan Williams
2015-04-18  1:36 ` [PATCH 12/21] nd_pmem: add NFIT support to the pmem driver Dan Williams
2015-04-18  1:36   ` Dan Williams
2015-04-18  6:38   ` Christoph Hellwig
2015-04-18  6:38     ` Christoph Hellwig
2015-04-18 19:37     ` Dan Williams
2015-04-18 19:37       ` Dan Williams
2015-04-28 12:56       ` [Linux-nvdimm] " Christoph Hellwig
2015-04-28 19:37         ` Dan Williams
2015-04-18  1:36 ` [PATCH 13/21] nd: add interleave-set state-tracking infrastructure Dan Williams
2015-04-18  1:36   ` Dan Williams
2015-04-18  1:36 ` [PATCH 14/21] nd: namespace indices: read and validate Dan Williams
2015-04-18  1:36   ` Dan Williams
2015-04-18  1:36 ` [PATCH 15/21] nd: pmem label sets and namespace instantiation Dan Williams
2015-04-18  1:36   ` Dan Williams
2015-04-18  1:36 ` [PATCH 16/21] nd: blk labels " Dan Williams
2015-04-18  1:36   ` Dan Williams
2015-04-18  1:36 ` [PATCH 17/21] nd: write pmem label set Dan Williams
2015-04-18  1:36   ` Dan Williams
2015-04-18  1:36 ` [PATCH 18/21] nd: write blk " Dan Williams
2015-04-18  1:36   ` Dan Williams
2015-04-18  1:36 ` [PATCH 19/21] nd: infrastructure for btt devices Dan Williams
2015-04-18  1:36   ` Dan Williams
2015-04-22 19:12   ` [Linux-nvdimm] " Elliott, Robert (Server Storage)
2015-04-22 19:12     ` Elliott, Robert (Server Storage)
2015-04-22 19:39     ` Dan Williams
2015-04-22 19:39       ` Dan Williams
2015-04-28 13:01   ` Christoph Hellwig
2015-04-28 15:42     ` Matthew Wilcox
2015-04-18  1:37 ` [PATCH 20/21] nd_btt: atomic sector updates Dan Williams
2015-04-18  1:37   ` Dan Williams
2015-04-18  1:37 ` [PATCH 21/21] nd_blk: nfit blk driver Dan Williams
2015-04-18  1:37   ` Dan Williams
2015-04-18 19:29 ` [PATCH 00/21] ND: NFIT-Defined / NVDIMM Subsystem Dan Williams
2015-04-18 19:29   ` Dan Williams
2015-04-22 19:06 ` [Linux-nvdimm] " Elliott, Robert (Server Storage)
2015-04-22 19:06   ` Elliott, Robert (Server Storage)
2015-04-22 19:06   ` Elliott, Robert (Server Storage)
2015-04-22 19:39   ` Dan Williams
2015-04-22 19:39     ` Dan Williams
2015-04-22 19:39     ` Dan Williams
2015-04-23  5:43   ` Ingo Molnar
2015-04-23  5:43     ` Ingo Molnar
2015-04-23  5:43     ` Ingo Molnar

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