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From: Dan Williams <dan.j.williams@intel.com>
To: Dave Chinner <david@fromorbit.com>
Cc: Jens Axboe <axboe@fb.com>, Jan Kara <jack@suse.cz>,
	"linux-nvdimm@lists.01.org" <linux-nvdimm@lists.01.org>,
	"linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org" <linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org>,
	Ross Zwisler <ross.zwisler@linux.intel.com>,
	Christoph Hellwig <hch@lst.de>
Subject: Re: [PATCH v3 13/15] block, dax: make dax mappings opt-in by default
Date: Tue, 3 Nov 2015 15:04:53 -0800	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <CAPcyv4jpNtML7NuizvWUVW3Jxma4-D4+c59yJw_PZ140KoVqsw@mail.gmail.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <20151103202041.GG19199@dastard>

On Tue, Nov 3, 2015 at 12:20 PM, Dave Chinner <david@fromorbit.com> wrote:
> On Mon, Nov 02, 2015 at 11:35:04PM -0800, Dan Williams wrote:
>> On Mon, Nov 2, 2015 at 4:32 PM, Dave Chinner <david@fromorbit.com> wrote:
[..]
>> Only in the mmap path:
>
> which means blkdev_direct_IO() is now always going to go down the
> dax_do_io() path for any driver with a ->direct_access method rather
> than the direct IO path, regardless of whether DAX is enabled on the
> device or not.
>
> That really seems wrong to me - you've replace explicit "is DAX
> enabled" checks with "is DAX possible" checks, and so DAX paths are
> used regardless of whether DAX is enabled or not. And it's not
> obvious why this is done, nor is it now obvious how DAX interacts
> with the block device.
>
> This really seems like a step backwards to me.

I think the reason it is not obvious is the original justification for
the bypass as stated in commit bbab37ddc20b "block: Add support for
DAX reads/writes to block devices" was:

    "instead of allocating a DIO and a BIO"

It turns out it's faster and as far as I can tell semantically
equivalent to the __blockdev_direct_IO() path.  The DAX mmap path in
comparison has plenty of sharp edges and semantic differences that
would be avoided by turning off DAX.

I'm not opposed to also turning off dax_do_io() when S_DAX is clear,
but I don't currently see the point.  At the very least I need to add
the above comments to the code, but do you still think opt-in DAX is a
backwards step?

WARNING: multiple messages have this Message-ID (diff)
From: Dan Williams <dan.j.williams@intel.com>
To: Dave Chinner <david@fromorbit.com>
Cc: Jens Axboe <axboe@fb.com>, Jan Kara <jack@suse.cz>,
	"linux-nvdimm@lists.01.org" <linux-nvdimm@ml01.01.org>,
	"linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org" <linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org>,
	Ross Zwisler <ross.zwisler@linux.intel.com>,
	Christoph Hellwig <hch@lst.de>
Subject: Re: [PATCH v3 13/15] block, dax: make dax mappings opt-in by default
Date: Tue, 3 Nov 2015 15:04:53 -0800	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <CAPcyv4jpNtML7NuizvWUVW3Jxma4-D4+c59yJw_PZ140KoVqsw@mail.gmail.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <20151103202041.GG19199@dastard>

On Tue, Nov 3, 2015 at 12:20 PM, Dave Chinner <david@fromorbit.com> wrote:
> On Mon, Nov 02, 2015 at 11:35:04PM -0800, Dan Williams wrote:
>> On Mon, Nov 2, 2015 at 4:32 PM, Dave Chinner <david@fromorbit.com> wrote:
[..]
>> Only in the mmap path:
>
> which means blkdev_direct_IO() is now always going to go down the
> dax_do_io() path for any driver with a ->direct_access method rather
> than the direct IO path, regardless of whether DAX is enabled on the
> device or not.
>
> That really seems wrong to me - you've replace explicit "is DAX
> enabled" checks with "is DAX possible" checks, and so DAX paths are
> used regardless of whether DAX is enabled or not. And it's not
> obvious why this is done, nor is it now obvious how DAX interacts
> with the block device.
>
> This really seems like a step backwards to me.

I think the reason it is not obvious is the original justification for
the bypass as stated in commit bbab37ddc20b "block: Add support for
DAX reads/writes to block devices" was:

    "instead of allocating a DIO and a BIO"

It turns out it's faster and as far as I can tell semantically
equivalent to the __blockdev_direct_IO() path.  The DAX mmap path in
comparison has plenty of sharp edges and semantic differences that
would be avoided by turning off DAX.

I'm not opposed to also turning off dax_do_io() when S_DAX is clear,
but I don't currently see the point.  At the very least I need to add
the above comments to the code, but do you still think opt-in DAX is a
backwards step?

  reply	other threads:[~2015-11-03 23:04 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 95+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2015-11-02  4:29 [PATCH v3 00/15] block, dax updates for 4.4 Dan Williams
2015-11-02  4:29 ` Dan Williams
2015-11-02  4:29 ` [PATCH v3 01/15] pmem, dax: clean up clear_pmem() Dan Williams
2015-11-02  4:29   ` Dan Williams
2015-11-02  4:29 ` [PATCH v3 02/15] dax: increase granularity of dax_clear_blocks() operations Dan Williams
2015-11-02  4:29   ` Dan Williams
2015-11-03  0:51   ` Dave Chinner
2015-11-03  0:51     ` Dave Chinner
2015-11-03  3:27     ` Dan Williams
2015-11-03  3:27       ` Dan Williams
2015-11-03  4:48       ` Dave Chinner
2015-11-03  4:48         ` Dave Chinner
2015-11-03  5:31         ` Dan Williams
2015-11-03  5:31           ` Dan Williams
2015-11-03  5:52           ` Dave Chinner
2015-11-03  5:52             ` Dave Chinner
2015-11-03  7:24             ` Dan Williams
2015-11-03  7:24               ` Dan Williams
2015-11-03 16:21           ` Jan Kara
2015-11-03 16:21             ` Jan Kara
2015-11-03 17:57           ` Ross Zwisler
2015-11-03 17:57             ` Ross Zwisler
2015-11-03 20:59             ` Dave Chinner
2015-11-03 20:59               ` Dave Chinner
2015-11-02  4:29 ` [PATCH v3 03/15] block, dax: fix lifetime of in-kernel dax mappings with dax_map_atomic() Dan Williams
2015-11-02  4:29   ` Dan Williams
2015-11-03 19:01   ` Ross Zwisler
2015-11-03 19:01     ` Ross Zwisler
2015-11-03 19:09     ` Jeff Moyer
2015-11-03 22:50     ` Dan Williams
2015-11-03 22:50       ` Dan Williams
2016-01-18 10:42   ` Geert Uytterhoeven
2016-01-18 10:42     ` Geert Uytterhoeven
2015-11-02  4:30 ` [PATCH v3 04/15] libnvdimm, pmem: move request_queue allocation earlier in probe Dan Williams
2015-11-02  4:30   ` Dan Williams
2015-11-03 19:15   ` Ross Zwisler
2015-11-03 19:15     ` Ross Zwisler
2015-11-02  4:30 ` [PATCH v3 05/15] libnvdimm, pmem: fix size trim in pmem_direct_access() Dan Williams
2015-11-02  4:30   ` Dan Williams
2015-11-03 19:32   ` Ross Zwisler
2015-11-03 19:32     ` Ross Zwisler
2015-11-03 21:39     ` Dan Williams
2015-11-03 21:39       ` Dan Williams
2015-11-02  4:30 ` [PATCH v3 06/15] um: kill pfn_t Dan Williams
2015-11-02  4:30   ` Dan Williams
2015-11-02  4:30 ` [PATCH v3 07/15] kvm: rename pfn_t to kvm_pfn_t Dan Williams
2015-11-02  4:30   ` Dan Williams
2015-11-02  4:30 ` [PATCH v3 08/15] mm, dax, pmem: introduce pfn_t Dan Williams
2015-11-02  4:30   ` Dan Williams
2015-11-02 16:30   ` Joe Perches
2015-11-02 16:30     ` Joe Perches
2015-11-02  4:30 ` [PATCH v3 09/15] block: notify queue death confirmation Dan Williams
2015-11-02  4:30   ` Dan Williams
2015-11-02  4:30 ` [PATCH v3 10/15] dax, pmem: introduce zone_device_revoke() and devm_memunmap_pages() Dan Williams
2015-11-02  4:30   ` Dan Williams
2015-11-02  4:30 ` [PATCH v3 11/15] block: introduce bdev_file_inode() Dan Williams
2015-11-02  4:30   ` Dan Williams
2015-11-02  4:30 ` [PATCH v3 12/15] block: enable dax for raw block devices Dan Williams
2015-11-02  4:30   ` Dan Williams
2015-11-02  4:30 ` [PATCH v3 13/15] block, dax: make dax mappings opt-in by default Dan Williams
2015-11-02  4:30   ` Dan Williams
2015-11-03  0:32   ` Dave Chinner
2015-11-03  0:32     ` Dave Chinner
2015-11-03  7:35     ` Dan Williams
2015-11-03  7:35       ` Dan Williams
2015-11-03 20:20       ` Dave Chinner
2015-11-03 20:20         ` Dave Chinner
2015-11-03 23:04         ` Dan Williams [this message]
2015-11-03 23:04           ` Dan Williams
2015-11-04 19:23           ` Dan Williams
2015-11-04 19:23             ` Dan Williams
2015-11-02  4:30 ` [PATCH v3 14/15] dax: dirty extent notification Dan Williams
2015-11-02  4:30   ` Dan Williams
2015-11-03  1:16   ` Dave Chinner
2015-11-03  1:16     ` Dave Chinner
2015-11-03  4:56     ` Dan Williams
2015-11-03  4:56       ` Dan Williams
2015-11-03  5:40       ` Dave Chinner
2015-11-03  5:40         ` Dave Chinner
2015-11-03  7:20         ` Dan Williams
2015-11-03  7:20           ` Dan Williams
2015-11-03 20:51           ` Dave Chinner
2015-11-03 20:51             ` Dave Chinner
2015-11-03 21:19             ` Dan Williams
2015-11-03 21:19               ` Dan Williams
2015-11-03 21:37             ` Ross Zwisler
2015-11-03 21:37               ` Ross Zwisler
2015-11-03 21:43               ` Dan Williams
2015-11-03 21:43                 ` Dan Williams
2015-11-03 21:18       ` Ross Zwisler
2015-11-03 21:18         ` Ross Zwisler
2015-11-03 21:34         ` Dan Williams
2015-11-03 21:34           ` Dan Williams
2015-11-02  4:31 ` [PATCH v3 15/15] pmem: blkdev_issue_flush support Dan Williams
2015-11-02  4:31   ` Dan Williams

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