binman warning/failure when blobs are missing

binman warning/failure when blobs are missing

[Tim Harvey]

Greetings,

After a couple of hours troubleshooting a bad boot image today I
realized the issue was that I had some 0 byte files for the lpddr4
training blobs that are part of the imx8mp binman created image.

Digging in I found that if a blob referenced in the binman node is
missing a warning will be output but the missing files will be
'created' as 0 byte files such that the next time you build you will
get no warning (but will have a non-working image). Additionally the
error does not cause a non-zero exit code.

I'm not that fluent in python these days, and don't have the time for
a while to try and fix this but I figured I would at least send this
email in case someone else does.

Example:
# rm *lpddr4*.bin # make sure lpddr4*.bin files referenced in binman
nodes are missing
# make distclean imx8mp_venice_defconfig flash.bin && echo "build ok"
...
  BINMAN  flash.bin
Image 'main-section' is missing external blobs and is non-functional: ddr-1d-ime
m-fw ddr-1d-dmem-fw ddr-2d-imem-fw ddr-2d-dmem-fw
Image 'main-section' has faked external blobs and is non-functional: lpddr4_pmu_
train_1d_imem_202006.bin lpddr4_pmu_train_1d_dmem_202006.bin lpddr4_pmu_train_2d
_imem_202006.bin lpddr4_pmu_train_2d_dmem_202006.bin

Some images are invalid
^^^ excellent warning
build ok
^^^ not so great that there is a successful exit code
# make flash.bin && echo "build ok"
...
  BINMAN  flash.bin
build ok
^^^ absolutely horrible that 0 byte files were created and thus
everything looks good this time around!
# stat -c "%s %n" lpddr4*.bin
0 lpddr4_pmu_train_1d_dmem_202006.bin
0 lpddr4_pmu_train_1d_imem_202006.bin
0 lpddr4_pmu_train_2d_dmem_202006.bin
0 lpddr4_pmu_train_2d_imem_202006.bin

Best Regards,

Tim

Re: binman warning/failure when blobs are missing

[Tom Rini]

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On Thu, Aug 11, 2022 at 09:27:44AM -0700, Tim Harvey wrote:

> Greetings,
> 
> After a couple of hours troubleshooting a bad boot image today I
> realized the issue was that I had some 0 byte files for the lpddr4
> training blobs that are part of the imx8mp binman created image.
> 
> Digging in I found that if a blob referenced in the binman node is
> missing a warning will be output but the missing files will be
> 'created' as 0 byte files such that the next time you build you will
> get no warning (but will have a non-working image). Additionally the
> error does not cause a non-zero exit code.
> 
> I'm not that fluent in python these days, and don't have the time for
> a while to try and fix this but I figured I would at least send this
> email in case someone else does.
> 
> Example:
> # rm *lpddr4*.bin # make sure lpddr4*.bin files referenced in binman
> nodes are missing
> # make distclean imx8mp_venice_defconfig flash.bin && echo "build ok"
> ...
>   BINMAN  flash.bin
> Image 'main-section' is missing external blobs and is non-functional: ddr-1d-ime
> m-fw ddr-1d-dmem-fw ddr-2d-imem-fw ddr-2d-dmem-fw
> Image 'main-section' has faked external blobs and is non-functional: lpddr4_pmu_
> train_1d_imem_202006.bin lpddr4_pmu_train_1d_dmem_202006.bin lpddr4_pmu_train_2d
> _imem_202006.bin lpddr4_pmu_train_2d_dmem_202006.bin
> 
> Some images are invalid
> ^^^ excellent warning
> build ok
> ^^^ not so great that there is a successful exit code
> # make flash.bin && echo "build ok"
> ...
>   BINMAN  flash.bin
> build ok
> ^^^ absolutely horrible that 0 byte files were created and thus
> everything looks good this time around!
> # stat -c "%s %n" lpddr4*.bin
> 0 lpddr4_pmu_train_1d_dmem_202006.bin
> 0 lpddr4_pmu_train_1d_imem_202006.bin
> 0 lpddr4_pmu_train_2d_dmem_202006.bin
> 0 lpddr4_pmu_train_2d_imem_202006.bin

So, this isn't the first time someone has had this problem. On the one
hand, we need CI to pass, and not require fetching of arbitrary further
images to assemble the binary. On the other hand, we don't want users
spending a bunch of time because something didn't work and the normal
way of conveying THIS WON'T WORK is a non-zero exit status. Can we
easily make some flag for buildman or binman that we do set in CI but
won't be set by users?

-- 
Tom

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Re: binman warning/failure when blobs are missing

[Tim Harvey]

On Thu, Aug 11, 2022 at 9:48 AM Tom Rini <trini@konsulko.com> wrote:
>
> On Thu, Aug 11, 2022 at 09:27:44AM -0700, Tim Harvey wrote:
>
> > Greetings,
> >
> > After a couple of hours troubleshooting a bad boot image today I
> > realized the issue was that I had some 0 byte files for the lpddr4
> > training blobs that are part of the imx8mp binman created image.
> >
> > Digging in I found that if a blob referenced in the binman node is
> > missing a warning will be output but the missing files will be
> > 'created' as 0 byte files such that the next time you build you will
> > get no warning (but will have a non-working image). Additionally the
> > error does not cause a non-zero exit code.
> >
> > I'm not that fluent in python these days, and don't have the time for
> > a while to try and fix this but I figured I would at least send this
> > email in case someone else does.
> >
> > Example:
> > # rm *lpddr4*.bin # make sure lpddr4*.bin files referenced in binman
> > nodes are missing
> > # make distclean imx8mp_venice_defconfig flash.bin && echo "build ok"
> > ...
> >   BINMAN  flash.bin
> > Image 'main-section' is missing external blobs and is non-functional: ddr-1d-ime
> > m-fw ddr-1d-dmem-fw ddr-2d-imem-fw ddr-2d-dmem-fw
> > Image 'main-section' has faked external blobs and is non-functional: lpddr4_pmu_
> > train_1d_imem_202006.bin lpddr4_pmu_train_1d_dmem_202006.bin lpddr4_pmu_train_2d
> > _imem_202006.bin lpddr4_pmu_train_2d_dmem_202006.bin
> >
> > Some images are invalid
> > ^^^ excellent warning
> > build ok
> > ^^^ not so great that there is a successful exit code
> > # make flash.bin && echo "build ok"
> > ...
> >   BINMAN  flash.bin
> > build ok
> > ^^^ absolutely horrible that 0 byte files were created and thus
> > everything looks good this time around!
> > # stat -c "%s %n" lpddr4*.bin
> > 0 lpddr4_pmu_train_1d_dmem_202006.bin
> > 0 lpddr4_pmu_train_1d_imem_202006.bin
> > 0 lpddr4_pmu_train_2d_dmem_202006.bin
> > 0 lpddr4_pmu_train_2d_imem_202006.bin
>
> So, this isn't the first time someone has had this problem. On the one
> hand, we need CI to pass, and not require fetching of arbitrary further
> images to assemble the binary. On the other hand, we don't want users
> spending a bunch of time because something didn't work and the normal
> way of conveying THIS WON'T WORK is a non-zero exit status. Can we
> easily make some flag for buildman or binman that we do set in CI but
> won't be set by users?
>

Tom,

Ok - that makes sense as far as the exit status goes. It would be MUCH
easier to catch an error like this if binman didn't create 0 byte
files for missing files so that you at least get the (ascii colored)
message indicating the image is wrong.

I do love the idea of a flag for CI also!

Best Regards,

Tim

Re: binman warning/failure when blobs are missing

[Tom Rini]

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On Thu, Aug 11, 2022 at 09:59:05AM -0700, Tim Harvey wrote:
> On Thu, Aug 11, 2022 at 9:48 AM Tom Rini <trini@konsulko.com> wrote:
> >
> > On Thu, Aug 11, 2022 at 09:27:44AM -0700, Tim Harvey wrote:
> >
> > > Greetings,
> > >
> > > After a couple of hours troubleshooting a bad boot image today I
> > > realized the issue was that I had some 0 byte files for the lpddr4
> > > training blobs that are part of the imx8mp binman created image.
> > >
> > > Digging in I found that if a blob referenced in the binman node is
> > > missing a warning will be output but the missing files will be
> > > 'created' as 0 byte files such that the next time you build you will
> > > get no warning (but will have a non-working image). Additionally the
> > > error does not cause a non-zero exit code.
> > >
> > > I'm not that fluent in python these days, and don't have the time for
> > > a while to try and fix this but I figured I would at least send this
> > > email in case someone else does.
> > >
> > > Example:
> > > # rm *lpddr4*.bin # make sure lpddr4*.bin files referenced in binman
> > > nodes are missing
> > > # make distclean imx8mp_venice_defconfig flash.bin && echo "build ok"
> > > ...
> > >   BINMAN  flash.bin
> > > Image 'main-section' is missing external blobs and is non-functional: ddr-1d-ime
> > > m-fw ddr-1d-dmem-fw ddr-2d-imem-fw ddr-2d-dmem-fw
> > > Image 'main-section' has faked external blobs and is non-functional: lpddr4_pmu_
> > > train_1d_imem_202006.bin lpddr4_pmu_train_1d_dmem_202006.bin lpddr4_pmu_train_2d
> > > _imem_202006.bin lpddr4_pmu_train_2d_dmem_202006.bin
> > >
> > > Some images are invalid
> > > ^^^ excellent warning
> > > build ok
> > > ^^^ not so great that there is a successful exit code
> > > # make flash.bin && echo "build ok"
> > > ...
> > >   BINMAN  flash.bin
> > > build ok
> > > ^^^ absolutely horrible that 0 byte files were created and thus
> > > everything looks good this time around!
> > > # stat -c "%s %n" lpddr4*.bin
> > > 0 lpddr4_pmu_train_1d_dmem_202006.bin
> > > 0 lpddr4_pmu_train_1d_imem_202006.bin
> > > 0 lpddr4_pmu_train_2d_dmem_202006.bin
> > > 0 lpddr4_pmu_train_2d_imem_202006.bin
> >
> > So, this isn't the first time someone has had this problem. On the one
> > hand, we need CI to pass, and not require fetching of arbitrary further
> > images to assemble the binary. On the other hand, we don't want users
> > spending a bunch of time because something didn't work and the normal
> > way of conveying THIS WON'T WORK is a non-zero exit status. Can we
> > easily make some flag for buildman or binman that we do set in CI but
> > won't be set by users?
> >
> 
> Tom,
> 
> Ok - that makes sense as far as the exit status goes. It would be MUCH
> easier to catch an error like this if binman didn't create 0 byte
> files for missing files so that you at least get the (ascii colored)
> message indicating the image is wrong.
> 
> I do love the idea of a flag for CI also!

So, that's part of the root of the problem here.  We're passing
--fake-ext-blobs to binman so that it will create those 0 byte files
and it in turn complain. I think we didn't figure out a good way to
tell buildman to pass that to binman tho?

-- 
Tom

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Re: binman warning/failure when blobs are missing

[Simon Glass]

Hi,

On Thu, 11 Aug 2022 at 11:44, Tom Rini <trini@konsulko.com> wrote:
>
> On Thu, Aug 11, 2022 at 09:59:05AM -0700, Tim Harvey wrote:
> > On Thu, Aug 11, 2022 at 9:48 AM Tom Rini <trini@konsulko.com> wrote:
> > >
> > > On Thu, Aug 11, 2022 at 09:27:44AM -0700, Tim Harvey wrote:
> > >
> > > > Greetings,
> > > >
> > > > After a couple of hours troubleshooting a bad boot image today I
> > > > realized the issue was that I had some 0 byte files for the lpddr4
> > > > training blobs that are part of the imx8mp binman created image.
> > > >
> > > > Digging in I found that if a blob referenced in the binman node is
> > > > missing a warning will be output but the missing files will be
> > > > 'created' as 0 byte files such that the next time you build you will
> > > > get no warning (but will have a non-working image). Additionally the
> > > > error does not cause a non-zero exit code.
> > > >
> > > > I'm not that fluent in python these days, and don't have the time for
> > > > a while to try and fix this but I figured I would at least send this
> > > > email in case someone else does.
> > > >
> > > > Example:
> > > > # rm *lpddr4*.bin # make sure lpddr4*.bin files referenced in binman
> > > > nodes are missing
> > > > # make distclean imx8mp_venice_defconfig flash.bin && echo "build ok"
> > > > ...
> > > >   BINMAN  flash.bin
> > > > Image 'main-section' is missing external blobs and is non-functional: ddr-1d-ime
> > > > m-fw ddr-1d-dmem-fw ddr-2d-imem-fw ddr-2d-dmem-fw
> > > > Image 'main-section' has faked external blobs and is non-functional: lpddr4_pmu_
> > > > train_1d_imem_202006.bin lpddr4_pmu_train_1d_dmem_202006.bin lpddr4_pmu_train_2d
> > > > _imem_202006.bin lpddr4_pmu_train_2d_dmem_202006.bin
> > > >
> > > > Some images are invalid
> > > > ^^^ excellent warning
> > > > build ok
> > > > ^^^ not so great that there is a successful exit code
> > > > # make flash.bin && echo "build ok"
> > > > ...
> > > >   BINMAN  flash.bin
> > > > build ok
> > > > ^^^ absolutely horrible that 0 byte files were created and thus
> > > > everything looks good this time around!
> > > > # stat -c "%s %n" lpddr4*.bin
> > > > 0 lpddr4_pmu_train_1d_dmem_202006.bin
> > > > 0 lpddr4_pmu_train_1d_imem_202006.bin
> > > > 0 lpddr4_pmu_train_2d_dmem_202006.bin
> > > > 0 lpddr4_pmu_train_2d_imem_202006.bin
> > >
> > > So, this isn't the first time someone has had this problem. On the one
> > > hand, we need CI to pass, and not require fetching of arbitrary further
> > > images to assemble the binary. On the other hand, we don't want users
> > > spending a bunch of time because something didn't work and the normal
> > > way of conveying THIS WON'T WORK is a non-zero exit status. Can we
> > > easily make some flag for buildman or binman that we do set in CI but
> > > won't be set by users?
> > >
> >
> > Tom,
> >
> > Ok - that makes sense as far as the exit status goes. It would be MUCH
> > easier to catch an error like this if binman didn't create 0 byte
> > files for missing files so that you at least get the (ascii colored)
> > message indicating the image is wrong.

Please see this:

https://patchwork.ozlabs.org/project/uboot/patch/20220807154708.1418967-2-sjg@chromium.org/

> >
> > I do love the idea of a flag for CI also!
>
> So, that's part of the root of the problem here.  We're passing
> --fake-ext-blobs to binman so that it will create those 0 byte files
> and it in turn complain. I think we didn't figure out a good way to
> tell buildman to pass that to binman tho?

I hope the above patch will fix this part of the problem.

Regards,
Simon

Re: binman warning/failure when blobs are missing

[Tim Harvey]

On Thu, Aug 11, 2022 at 5:09 PM Simon Glass <sjg@chromium.org> wrote:
>
> Hi,
>
> On Thu, 11 Aug 2022 at 11:44, Tom Rini <trini@konsulko.com> wrote:
> >
> > On Thu, Aug 11, 2022 at 09:59:05AM -0700, Tim Harvey wrote:
> > > On Thu, Aug 11, 2022 at 9:48 AM Tom Rini <trini@konsulko.com> wrote:
> > > >
> > > > On Thu, Aug 11, 2022 at 09:27:44AM -0700, Tim Harvey wrote:
> > > >
> > > > > Greetings,
> > > > >
> > > > > After a couple of hours troubleshooting a bad boot image today I
> > > > > realized the issue was that I had some 0 byte files for the lpddr4
> > > > > training blobs that are part of the imx8mp binman created image.
> > > > >
> > > > > Digging in I found that if a blob referenced in the binman node is
> > > > > missing a warning will be output but the missing files will be
> > > > > 'created' as 0 byte files such that the next time you build you will
> > > > > get no warning (but will have a non-working image). Additionally the
> > > > > error does not cause a non-zero exit code.
> > > > >
> > > > > I'm not that fluent in python these days, and don't have the time for
> > > > > a while to try and fix this but I figured I would at least send this
> > > > > email in case someone else does.
> > > > >
> > > > > Example:
> > > > > # rm *lpddr4*.bin # make sure lpddr4*.bin files referenced in binman
> > > > > nodes are missing
> > > > > # make distclean imx8mp_venice_defconfig flash.bin && echo "build ok"
> > > > > ...
> > > > >   BINMAN  flash.bin
> > > > > Image 'main-section' is missing external blobs and is non-functional: ddr-1d-ime
> > > > > m-fw ddr-1d-dmem-fw ddr-2d-imem-fw ddr-2d-dmem-fw
> > > > > Image 'main-section' has faked external blobs and is non-functional: lpddr4_pmu_
> > > > > train_1d_imem_202006.bin lpddr4_pmu_train_1d_dmem_202006.bin lpddr4_pmu_train_2d
> > > > > _imem_202006.bin lpddr4_pmu_train_2d_dmem_202006.bin
> > > > >
> > > > > Some images are invalid
> > > > > ^^^ excellent warning
> > > > > build ok
> > > > > ^^^ not so great that there is a successful exit code
> > > > > # make flash.bin && echo "build ok"
> > > > > ...
> > > > >   BINMAN  flash.bin
> > > > > build ok
> > > > > ^^^ absolutely horrible that 0 byte files were created and thus
> > > > > everything looks good this time around!
> > > > > # stat -c "%s %n" lpddr4*.bin
> > > > > 0 lpddr4_pmu_train_1d_dmem_202006.bin
> > > > > 0 lpddr4_pmu_train_1d_imem_202006.bin
> > > > > 0 lpddr4_pmu_train_2d_dmem_202006.bin
> > > > > 0 lpddr4_pmu_train_2d_imem_202006.bin
> > > >
> > > > So, this isn't the first time someone has had this problem. On the one
> > > > hand, we need CI to pass, and not require fetching of arbitrary further
> > > > images to assemble the binary. On the other hand, we don't want users
> > > > spending a bunch of time because something didn't work and the normal
> > > > way of conveying THIS WON'T WORK is a non-zero exit status. Can we
> > > > easily make some flag for buildman or binman that we do set in CI but
> > > > won't be set by users?
> > > >
> > >
> > > Tom,
> > >
> > > Ok - that makes sense as far as the exit status goes. It would be MUCH
> > > easier to catch an error like this if binman didn't create 0 byte
> > > files for missing files so that you at least get the (ascii colored)
> > > message indicating the image is wrong.
>
> Please see this:
>
> https://patchwork.ozlabs.org/project/uboot/patch/20220807154708.1418967-2-sjg@chromium.org/
>
> > >
> > > I do love the idea of a flag for CI also!
> >
> > So, that's part of the root of the problem here.  We're passing
> > --fake-ext-blobs to binman so that it will create those 0 byte files
> > and it in turn complain. I think we didn't figure out a good way to
> > tell buildman to pass that to binman tho?
>
> I hope the above patch will fix this part of the problem.
>

Simon,

Yes, that certainly is an improvement. That throws the big ugly
warning every build.

Thanks,

Tim

Re: binman warning/failure when blobs are missing

[Tom Rini]

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On Thu, Aug 11, 2022 at 06:08:51PM -0600, Simon Glass wrote:
> Hi,
> 
> On Thu, 11 Aug 2022 at 11:44, Tom Rini <trini@konsulko.com> wrote:
> >
> > On Thu, Aug 11, 2022 at 09:59:05AM -0700, Tim Harvey wrote:
> > > On Thu, Aug 11, 2022 at 9:48 AM Tom Rini <trini@konsulko.com> wrote:
> > > >
> > > > On Thu, Aug 11, 2022 at 09:27:44AM -0700, Tim Harvey wrote:
> > > >
> > > > > Greetings,
> > > > >
> > > > > After a couple of hours troubleshooting a bad boot image today I
> > > > > realized the issue was that I had some 0 byte files for the lpddr4
> > > > > training blobs that are part of the imx8mp binman created image.
> > > > >
> > > > > Digging in I found that if a blob referenced in the binman node is
> > > > > missing a warning will be output but the missing files will be
> > > > > 'created' as 0 byte files such that the next time you build you will
> > > > > get no warning (but will have a non-working image). Additionally the
> > > > > error does not cause a non-zero exit code.
> > > > >
> > > > > I'm not that fluent in python these days, and don't have the time for
> > > > > a while to try and fix this but I figured I would at least send this
> > > > > email in case someone else does.
> > > > >
> > > > > Example:
> > > > > # rm *lpddr4*.bin # make sure lpddr4*.bin files referenced in binman
> > > > > nodes are missing
> > > > > # make distclean imx8mp_venice_defconfig flash.bin && echo "build ok"
> > > > > ...
> > > > >   BINMAN  flash.bin
> > > > > Image 'main-section' is missing external blobs and is non-functional: ddr-1d-ime
> > > > > m-fw ddr-1d-dmem-fw ddr-2d-imem-fw ddr-2d-dmem-fw
> > > > > Image 'main-section' has faked external blobs and is non-functional: lpddr4_pmu_
> > > > > train_1d_imem_202006.bin lpddr4_pmu_train_1d_dmem_202006.bin lpddr4_pmu_train_2d
> > > > > _imem_202006.bin lpddr4_pmu_train_2d_dmem_202006.bin
> > > > >
> > > > > Some images are invalid
> > > > > ^^^ excellent warning
> > > > > build ok
> > > > > ^^^ not so great that there is a successful exit code
> > > > > # make flash.bin && echo "build ok"
> > > > > ...
> > > > >   BINMAN  flash.bin
> > > > > build ok
> > > > > ^^^ absolutely horrible that 0 byte files were created and thus
> > > > > everything looks good this time around!
> > > > > # stat -c "%s %n" lpddr4*.bin
> > > > > 0 lpddr4_pmu_train_1d_dmem_202006.bin
> > > > > 0 lpddr4_pmu_train_1d_imem_202006.bin
> > > > > 0 lpddr4_pmu_train_2d_dmem_202006.bin
> > > > > 0 lpddr4_pmu_train_2d_imem_202006.bin
> > > >
> > > > So, this isn't the first time someone has had this problem. On the one
> > > > hand, we need CI to pass, and not require fetching of arbitrary further
> > > > images to assemble the binary. On the other hand, we don't want users
> > > > spending a bunch of time because something didn't work and the normal
> > > > way of conveying THIS WON'T WORK is a non-zero exit status. Can we
> > > > easily make some flag for buildman or binman that we do set in CI but
> > > > won't be set by users?
> > > >
> > >
> > > Tom,
> > >
> > > Ok - that makes sense as far as the exit status goes. It would be MUCH
> > > easier to catch an error like this if binman didn't create 0 byte
> > > files for missing files so that you at least get the (ascii colored)
> > > message indicating the image is wrong.
> 
> Please see this:
> 
> https://patchwork.ozlabs.org/project/uboot/patch/20220807154708.1418967-2-sjg@chromium.org/
> 
> > >
> > > I do love the idea of a flag for CI also!
> >
> > So, that's part of the root of the problem here.  We're passing
> > --fake-ext-blobs to binman so that it will create those 0 byte files
> > and it in turn complain. I think we didn't figure out a good way to
> > tell buildman to pass that to binman tho?
> 
> I hope the above patch will fix this part of the problem.

I'm not sure. What I really want to see is something like buildman
--fake-ext-blobs, which in turn does 'make BINMANFLAGS=--fake-ext-blobs'
or 'make BINMAN_FAKE_EXT_BLOBS=1' and that is what sets --fake-ext-blobs
to be passed inside of cmd_binman, so that we can tell CI to do that
(just like we do -E today, to ensure -Werror) but regular users get
build failures.

-- 
Tom

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Re: binman warning/failure when blobs are missing

[Simon Glass]

Hi Tom,

On Thu, 11 Aug 2022 at 19:03, Tom Rini <trini@konsulko.com> wrote:
>
> On Thu, Aug 11, 2022 at 06:08:51PM -0600, Simon Glass wrote:
> > Hi,
> >
> > On Thu, 11 Aug 2022 at 11:44, Tom Rini <trini@konsulko.com> wrote:
> > >
> > > On Thu, Aug 11, 2022 at 09:59:05AM -0700, Tim Harvey wrote:
> > > > On Thu, Aug 11, 2022 at 9:48 AM Tom Rini <trini@konsulko.com> wrote:
> > > > >
> > > > > On Thu, Aug 11, 2022 at 09:27:44AM -0700, Tim Harvey wrote:
> > > > >
> > > > > > Greetings,
> > > > > >
> > > > > > After a couple of hours troubleshooting a bad boot image today I
> > > > > > realized the issue was that I had some 0 byte files for the lpddr4
> > > > > > training blobs that are part of the imx8mp binman created image.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Digging in I found that if a blob referenced in the binman node is
> > > > > > missing a warning will be output but the missing files will be
> > > > > > 'created' as 0 byte files such that the next time you build you will
> > > > > > get no warning (but will have a non-working image). Additionally the
> > > > > > error does not cause a non-zero exit code.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > I'm not that fluent in python these days, and don't have the time for
> > > > > > a while to try and fix this but I figured I would at least send this
> > > > > > email in case someone else does.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Example:
> > > > > > # rm *lpddr4*.bin # make sure lpddr4*.bin files referenced in binman
> > > > > > nodes are missing
> > > > > > # make distclean imx8mp_venice_defconfig flash.bin && echo "build ok"
> > > > > > ...
> > > > > >   BINMAN  flash.bin
> > > > > > Image 'main-section' is missing external blobs and is non-functional: ddr-1d-ime
> > > > > > m-fw ddr-1d-dmem-fw ddr-2d-imem-fw ddr-2d-dmem-fw
> > > > > > Image 'main-section' has faked external blobs and is non-functional: lpddr4_pmu_
> > > > > > train_1d_imem_202006.bin lpddr4_pmu_train_1d_dmem_202006.bin lpddr4_pmu_train_2d
> > > > > > _imem_202006.bin lpddr4_pmu_train_2d_dmem_202006.bin
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Some images are invalid
> > > > > > ^^^ excellent warning
> > > > > > build ok
> > > > > > ^^^ not so great that there is a successful exit code
> > > > > > # make flash.bin && echo "build ok"
> > > > > > ...
> > > > > >   BINMAN  flash.bin
> > > > > > build ok
> > > > > > ^^^ absolutely horrible that 0 byte files were created and thus
> > > > > > everything looks good this time around!
> > > > > > # stat -c "%s %n" lpddr4*.bin
> > > > > > 0 lpddr4_pmu_train_1d_dmem_202006.bin
> > > > > > 0 lpddr4_pmu_train_1d_imem_202006.bin
> > > > > > 0 lpddr4_pmu_train_2d_dmem_202006.bin
> > > > > > 0 lpddr4_pmu_train_2d_imem_202006.bin
> > > > >
> > > > > So, this isn't the first time someone has had this problem. On the one
> > > > > hand, we need CI to pass, and not require fetching of arbitrary further
> > > > > images to assemble the binary. On the other hand, we don't want users
> > > > > spending a bunch of time because something didn't work and the normal
> > > > > way of conveying THIS WON'T WORK is a non-zero exit status. Can we
> > > > > easily make some flag for buildman or binman that we do set in CI but
> > > > > won't be set by users?
> > > > >
> > > >
> > > > Tom,
> > > >
> > > > Ok - that makes sense as far as the exit status goes. It would be MUCH
> > > > easier to catch an error like this if binman didn't create 0 byte
> > > > files for missing files so that you at least get the (ascii colored)
> > > > message indicating the image is wrong.
> >
> > Please see this:
> >
> > https://patchwork.ozlabs.org/project/uboot/patch/20220807154708.1418967-2-sjg@chromium.org/
> >
> > > >
> > > > I do love the idea of a flag for CI also!
> > >
> > > So, that's part of the root of the problem here.  We're passing
> > > --fake-ext-blobs to binman so that it will create those 0 byte files
> > > and it in turn complain. I think we didn't figure out a good way to
> > > tell buildman to pass that to binman tho?
> >
> > I hope the above patch will fix this part of the problem.
>
> I'm not sure. What I really want to see is something like buildman
> --fake-ext-blobs, which in turn does 'make BINMANFLAGS=--fake-ext-blobs'
> or 'make BINMAN_FAKE_EXT_BLOBS=1' and that is what sets --fake-ext-blobs
> to be passed inside of cmd_binman, so that we can tell CI to do that
> (just like we do -E today, to ensure -Werror) but regular users get
> build failures.

IMO we should add my patch as well as what you are saying here. They
are handling slightly different issues.

As to this one, I can make binman return an error result if any images
are invalid, controlled with a -W flag, perhaps, as with buildman.

It is not just faked blobs - we need to raise a warning/error for
missing ones too.

Then we could pass -W from CI using an env var picked up by the
Makefile as you say. It could control whether --allow-missing and
--fake-ext-blobs are passed to binman.

Then a normal build will produce errors.

We still need buildman to work locally though, for build testing. I
think returning exit code 101 could be good enough for that.

Anyway, as I say, these are things for future improvement in addition
to my patch, IMO.

Regards,
Simon

Re: binman warning/failure when blobs are missing

[Tom Rini]

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On Fri, Aug 12, 2022 at 09:11:11AM -0600, Simon Glass wrote:
> Hi Tom,
> 
> On Thu, 11 Aug 2022 at 19:03, Tom Rini <trini@konsulko.com> wrote:
> >
> > On Thu, Aug 11, 2022 at 06:08:51PM -0600, Simon Glass wrote:
> > > Hi,
> > >
> > > On Thu, 11 Aug 2022 at 11:44, Tom Rini <trini@konsulko.com> wrote:
> > > >
> > > > On Thu, Aug 11, 2022 at 09:59:05AM -0700, Tim Harvey wrote:
> > > > > On Thu, Aug 11, 2022 at 9:48 AM Tom Rini <trini@konsulko.com> wrote:
> > > > > >
> > > > > > On Thu, Aug 11, 2022 at 09:27:44AM -0700, Tim Harvey wrote:
> > > > > >
> > > > > > > Greetings,
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > After a couple of hours troubleshooting a bad boot image today I
> > > > > > > realized the issue was that I had some 0 byte files for the lpddr4
> > > > > > > training blobs that are part of the imx8mp binman created image.
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > Digging in I found that if a blob referenced in the binman node is
> > > > > > > missing a warning will be output but the missing files will be
> > > > > > > 'created' as 0 byte files such that the next time you build you will
> > > > > > > get no warning (but will have a non-working image). Additionally the
> > > > > > > error does not cause a non-zero exit code.
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > I'm not that fluent in python these days, and don't have the time for
> > > > > > > a while to try and fix this but I figured I would at least send this
> > > > > > > email in case someone else does.
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > Example:
> > > > > > > # rm *lpddr4*.bin # make sure lpddr4*.bin files referenced in binman
> > > > > > > nodes are missing
> > > > > > > # make distclean imx8mp_venice_defconfig flash.bin && echo "build ok"
> > > > > > > ...
> > > > > > >   BINMAN  flash.bin
> > > > > > > Image 'main-section' is missing external blobs and is non-functional: ddr-1d-ime
> > > > > > > m-fw ddr-1d-dmem-fw ddr-2d-imem-fw ddr-2d-dmem-fw
> > > > > > > Image 'main-section' has faked external blobs and is non-functional: lpddr4_pmu_
> > > > > > > train_1d_imem_202006.bin lpddr4_pmu_train_1d_dmem_202006.bin lpddr4_pmu_train_2d
> > > > > > > _imem_202006.bin lpddr4_pmu_train_2d_dmem_202006.bin
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > Some images are invalid
> > > > > > > ^^^ excellent warning
> > > > > > > build ok
> > > > > > > ^^^ not so great that there is a successful exit code
> > > > > > > # make flash.bin && echo "build ok"
> > > > > > > ...
> > > > > > >   BINMAN  flash.bin
> > > > > > > build ok
> > > > > > > ^^^ absolutely horrible that 0 byte files were created and thus
> > > > > > > everything looks good this time around!
> > > > > > > # stat -c "%s %n" lpddr4*.bin
> > > > > > > 0 lpddr4_pmu_train_1d_dmem_202006.bin
> > > > > > > 0 lpddr4_pmu_train_1d_imem_202006.bin
> > > > > > > 0 lpddr4_pmu_train_2d_dmem_202006.bin
> > > > > > > 0 lpddr4_pmu_train_2d_imem_202006.bin
> > > > > >
> > > > > > So, this isn't the first time someone has had this problem. On the one
> > > > > > hand, we need CI to pass, and not require fetching of arbitrary further
> > > > > > images to assemble the binary. On the other hand, we don't want users
> > > > > > spending a bunch of time because something didn't work and the normal
> > > > > > way of conveying THIS WON'T WORK is a non-zero exit status. Can we
> > > > > > easily make some flag for buildman or binman that we do set in CI but
> > > > > > won't be set by users?
> > > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > Tom,
> > > > >
> > > > > Ok - that makes sense as far as the exit status goes. It would be MUCH
> > > > > easier to catch an error like this if binman didn't create 0 byte
> > > > > files for missing files so that you at least get the (ascii colored)
> > > > > message indicating the image is wrong.
> > >
> > > Please see this:
> > >
> > > https://patchwork.ozlabs.org/project/uboot/patch/20220807154708.1418967-2-sjg@chromium.org/
> > >
> > > > >
> > > > > I do love the idea of a flag for CI also!
> > > >
> > > > So, that's part of the root of the problem here.  We're passing
> > > > --fake-ext-blobs to binman so that it will create those 0 byte files
> > > > and it in turn complain. I think we didn't figure out a good way to
> > > > tell buildman to pass that to binman tho?
> > >
> > > I hope the above patch will fix this part of the problem.
> >
> > I'm not sure. What I really want to see is something like buildman
> > --fake-ext-blobs, which in turn does 'make BINMANFLAGS=--fake-ext-blobs'
> > or 'make BINMAN_FAKE_EXT_BLOBS=1' and that is what sets --fake-ext-blobs
> > to be passed inside of cmd_binman, so that we can tell CI to do that
> > (just like we do -E today, to ensure -Werror) but regular users get
> > build failures.
> 
> IMO we should add my patch as well as what you are saying here. They
> are handling slightly different issues.

Yes, the above is useful, to fix a different issue (and should fix some
issues in my before/after world builds).

> As to this one, I can make binman return an error result if any images
> are invalid, controlled with a -W flag, perhaps, as with buildman.
> 
> It is not just faked blobs - we need to raise a warning/error for
> missing ones too.
> 
> Then we could pass -W from CI using an env var picked up by the
> Makefile as you say. It could control whether --allow-missing and
> --fake-ext-blobs are passed to binman.
> 
> Then a normal build will produce errors.
> 
> We still need buildman to work locally though, for build testing. I
> think returning exit code 101 could be good enough for that.
> 
> Anyway, as I say, these are things for future improvement in addition
> to my patch, IMO.

I really think this needs to be a fails by default situation, and a new
flag to buildman to say allow for CI and similar test builds to
complete (that in turn passes the right flag(s) to binman), and complain
without non-zero exit status. But the default should be visible /
descriptive failure with a normal non-zero exit status.

-- 
Tom

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Re: binman warning/failure when blobs are missing

[Simon Glass]

Hi Tom,

On Fri, 12 Aug 2022 at 10:11, Tom Rini <trini@konsulko.com> wrote:
>
> On Fri, Aug 12, 2022 at 09:11:11AM -0600, Simon Glass wrote:
> > Hi Tom,
> >
> > On Thu, 11 Aug 2022 at 19:03, Tom Rini <trini@konsulko.com> wrote:
> > >
> > > On Thu, Aug 11, 2022 at 06:08:51PM -0600, Simon Glass wrote:
> > > > Hi,
> > > >
> > > > On Thu, 11 Aug 2022 at 11:44, Tom Rini <trini@konsulko.com> wrote:
> > > > >
> > > > > On Thu, Aug 11, 2022 at 09:59:05AM -0700, Tim Harvey wrote:
> > > > > > On Thu, Aug 11, 2022 at 9:48 AM Tom Rini <trini@konsulko.com> wrote:
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > On Thu, Aug 11, 2022 at 09:27:44AM -0700, Tim Harvey wrote:
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > Greetings,
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > After a couple of hours troubleshooting a bad boot image today I
> > > > > > > > realized the issue was that I had some 0 byte files for the lpddr4
> > > > > > > > training blobs that are part of the imx8mp binman created image.
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > Digging in I found that if a blob referenced in the binman node is
> > > > > > > > missing a warning will be output but the missing files will be
> > > > > > > > 'created' as 0 byte files such that the next time you build you will
> > > > > > > > get no warning (but will have a non-working image). Additionally the
> > > > > > > > error does not cause a non-zero exit code.
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > I'm not that fluent in python these days, and don't have the time for
> > > > > > > > a while to try and fix this but I figured I would at least send this
> > > > > > > > email in case someone else does.
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > Example:
> > > > > > > > # rm *lpddr4*.bin # make sure lpddr4*.bin files referenced in binman
> > > > > > > > nodes are missing
> > > > > > > > # make distclean imx8mp_venice_defconfig flash.bin && echo "build ok"
> > > > > > > > ...
> > > > > > > >   BINMAN  flash.bin
> > > > > > > > Image 'main-section' is missing external blobs and is non-functional: ddr-1d-ime
> > > > > > > > m-fw ddr-1d-dmem-fw ddr-2d-imem-fw ddr-2d-dmem-fw
> > > > > > > > Image 'main-section' has faked external blobs and is non-functional: lpddr4_pmu_
> > > > > > > > train_1d_imem_202006.bin lpddr4_pmu_train_1d_dmem_202006.bin lpddr4_pmu_train_2d
> > > > > > > > _imem_202006.bin lpddr4_pmu_train_2d_dmem_202006.bin
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > Some images are invalid
> > > > > > > > ^^^ excellent warning
> > > > > > > > build ok
> > > > > > > > ^^^ not so great that there is a successful exit code
> > > > > > > > # make flash.bin && echo "build ok"
> > > > > > > > ...
> > > > > > > >   BINMAN  flash.bin
> > > > > > > > build ok
> > > > > > > > ^^^ absolutely horrible that 0 byte files were created and thus
> > > > > > > > everything looks good this time around!
> > > > > > > > # stat -c "%s %n" lpddr4*.bin
> > > > > > > > 0 lpddr4_pmu_train_1d_dmem_202006.bin
> > > > > > > > 0 lpddr4_pmu_train_1d_imem_202006.bin
> > > > > > > > 0 lpddr4_pmu_train_2d_dmem_202006.bin
> > > > > > > > 0 lpddr4_pmu_train_2d_imem_202006.bin
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > So, this isn't the first time someone has had this problem. On the one
> > > > > > > hand, we need CI to pass, and not require fetching of arbitrary further
> > > > > > > images to assemble the binary. On the other hand, we don't want users
> > > > > > > spending a bunch of time because something didn't work and the normal
> > > > > > > way of conveying THIS WON'T WORK is a non-zero exit status. Can we
> > > > > > > easily make some flag for buildman or binman that we do set in CI but
> > > > > > > won't be set by users?
> > > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Tom,
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Ok - that makes sense as far as the exit status goes. It would be MUCH
> > > > > > easier to catch an error like this if binman didn't create 0 byte
> > > > > > files for missing files so that you at least get the (ascii colored)
> > > > > > message indicating the image is wrong.
> > > >
> > > > Please see this:
> > > >
> > > > https://patchwork.ozlabs.org/project/uboot/patch/20220807154708.1418967-2-sjg@chromium.org/
> > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > > I do love the idea of a flag for CI also!
> > > > >
> > > > > So, that's part of the root of the problem here.  We're passing
> > > > > --fake-ext-blobs to binman so that it will create those 0 byte files
> > > > > and it in turn complain. I think we didn't figure out a good way to
> > > > > tell buildman to pass that to binman tho?
> > > >
> > > > I hope the above patch will fix this part of the problem.
> > >
> > > I'm not sure. What I really want to see is something like buildman
> > > --fake-ext-blobs, which in turn does 'make BINMANFLAGS=--fake-ext-blobs'
> > > or 'make BINMAN_FAKE_EXT_BLOBS=1' and that is what sets --fake-ext-blobs
> > > to be passed inside of cmd_binman, so that we can tell CI to do that
> > > (just like we do -E today, to ensure -Werror) but regular users get
> > > build failures.
> >
> > IMO we should add my patch as well as what you are saying here. They
> > are handling slightly different issues.
>
> Yes, the above is useful, to fix a different issue (and should fix some
> issues in my before/after world builds).

OK good. Yes, a different issue as you say.

>
> > As to this one, I can make binman return an error result if any images
> > are invalid, controlled with a -W flag, perhaps, as with buildman.
> >
> > It is not just faked blobs - we need to raise a warning/error for
> > missing ones too.
> >
> > Then we could pass -W from CI using an env var picked up by the
> > Makefile as you say. It could control whether --allow-missing and
> > --fake-ext-blobs are passed to binman.
> >
> > Then a normal build will produce errors.
> >
> > We still need buildman to work locally though, for build testing. I
> > think returning exit code 101 could be good enough for that.
> >
> > Anyway, as I say, these are things for future improvement in addition
> > to my patch, IMO.
>
> I really think this needs to be a fails by default situation, and a new
> flag to buildman to say allow for CI and similar test builds to
> complete (that in turn passes the right flag(s) to binman), and complain
> without non-zero exit status. But the default should be visible /
> descriptive failure with a normal non-zero exit status.

I've been thinking about this. In practice there is no way that a
'buildman -b' build can have the right binary blobs in place. Where
would they come from? So it would always fail. I don't think that is
really what we want? I use buildman in this way all the time. I also
hate binary blobs and don't want them to interrupt my workflow. As you
know the LTO issue has more than doubled my incremental build times
for sandbox and some other boards and I've been in this situation for
a long time (please can you apply that fix? :-)

I agree that the default should be a visible / descriptive failure,
but perhaps we can start with sorting out Makefile, so that by default
it fails and you have to pass an arg to get it to handle missing or
fake blobs. I should have done that at the start. That should fix most
people. This is your env var idea, and I agree with that. I can do a
patch.

Then we get to the people who use buildman for their builds instead of
make. That has recently included me on some machines, now we have the
--ide and -w flags, but I'm not sure how common it is. We don't
document buildman as a way of doing development. Anyway, we need this
to fail too, by default. In this case it is normally building a single
board and using the -w flag.

So perhaps we could have a different rule for -b or multiple boards
than for a 'current source' or '-w' build? I am not sure how we could
do this cleanly, but we could perhaps have a flag like --blobs with
several options:

--blobs fail | allow | fake

where the default value (if no --blobs flag is provided) varies
depending on other flags?

As I read this I suppose you will think this is overkill. But I am
really thinking about how this would affect development and there are
so many things already in the way.

Regards,
Simon

Re: binman warning/failure when blobs are missing

[Tom Rini]

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On Fri, Aug 12, 2022 at 08:21:05PM -0600, Simon Glass wrote:
> Hi Tom,
> 
> On Fri, 12 Aug 2022 at 10:11, Tom Rini <trini@konsulko.com> wrote:
> >
> > On Fri, Aug 12, 2022 at 09:11:11AM -0600, Simon Glass wrote:
> > > Hi Tom,
> > >
> > > On Thu, 11 Aug 2022 at 19:03, Tom Rini <trini@konsulko.com> wrote:
> > > >
> > > > On Thu, Aug 11, 2022 at 06:08:51PM -0600, Simon Glass wrote:
> > > > > Hi,
> > > > >
> > > > > On Thu, 11 Aug 2022 at 11:44, Tom Rini <trini@konsulko.com> wrote:
> > > > > >
> > > > > > On Thu, Aug 11, 2022 at 09:59:05AM -0700, Tim Harvey wrote:
> > > > > > > On Thu, Aug 11, 2022 at 9:48 AM Tom Rini <trini@konsulko.com> wrote:
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > On Thu, Aug 11, 2022 at 09:27:44AM -0700, Tim Harvey wrote:
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > Greetings,
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > After a couple of hours troubleshooting a bad boot image today I
> > > > > > > > > realized the issue was that I had some 0 byte files for the lpddr4
> > > > > > > > > training blobs that are part of the imx8mp binman created image.
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > Digging in I found that if a blob referenced in the binman node is
> > > > > > > > > missing a warning will be output but the missing files will be
> > > > > > > > > 'created' as 0 byte files such that the next time you build you will
> > > > > > > > > get no warning (but will have a non-working image). Additionally the
> > > > > > > > > error does not cause a non-zero exit code.
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > I'm not that fluent in python these days, and don't have the time for
> > > > > > > > > a while to try and fix this but I figured I would at least send this
> > > > > > > > > email in case someone else does.
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > Example:
> > > > > > > > > # rm *lpddr4*.bin # make sure lpddr4*.bin files referenced in binman
> > > > > > > > > nodes are missing
> > > > > > > > > # make distclean imx8mp_venice_defconfig flash.bin && echo "build ok"
> > > > > > > > > ...
> > > > > > > > >   BINMAN  flash.bin
> > > > > > > > > Image 'main-section' is missing external blobs and is non-functional: ddr-1d-ime
> > > > > > > > > m-fw ddr-1d-dmem-fw ddr-2d-imem-fw ddr-2d-dmem-fw
> > > > > > > > > Image 'main-section' has faked external blobs and is non-functional: lpddr4_pmu_
> > > > > > > > > train_1d_imem_202006.bin lpddr4_pmu_train_1d_dmem_202006.bin lpddr4_pmu_train_2d
> > > > > > > > > _imem_202006.bin lpddr4_pmu_train_2d_dmem_202006.bin
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > Some images are invalid
> > > > > > > > > ^^^ excellent warning
> > > > > > > > > build ok
> > > > > > > > > ^^^ not so great that there is a successful exit code
> > > > > > > > > # make flash.bin && echo "build ok"
> > > > > > > > > ...
> > > > > > > > >   BINMAN  flash.bin
> > > > > > > > > build ok
> > > > > > > > > ^^^ absolutely horrible that 0 byte files were created and thus
> > > > > > > > > everything looks good this time around!
> > > > > > > > > # stat -c "%s %n" lpddr4*.bin
> > > > > > > > > 0 lpddr4_pmu_train_1d_dmem_202006.bin
> > > > > > > > > 0 lpddr4_pmu_train_1d_imem_202006.bin
> > > > > > > > > 0 lpddr4_pmu_train_2d_dmem_202006.bin
> > > > > > > > > 0 lpddr4_pmu_train_2d_imem_202006.bin
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > So, this isn't the first time someone has had this problem. On the one
> > > > > > > > hand, we need CI to pass, and not require fetching of arbitrary further
> > > > > > > > images to assemble the binary. On the other hand, we don't want users
> > > > > > > > spending a bunch of time because something didn't work and the normal
> > > > > > > > way of conveying THIS WON'T WORK is a non-zero exit status. Can we
> > > > > > > > easily make some flag for buildman or binman that we do set in CI but
> > > > > > > > won't be set by users?
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > Tom,
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > Ok - that makes sense as far as the exit status goes. It would be MUCH
> > > > > > > easier to catch an error like this if binman didn't create 0 byte
> > > > > > > files for missing files so that you at least get the (ascii colored)
> > > > > > > message indicating the image is wrong.
> > > > >
> > > > > Please see this:
> > > > >
> > > > > https://patchwork.ozlabs.org/project/uboot/patch/20220807154708.1418967-2-sjg@chromium.org/
> > > > >
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > I do love the idea of a flag for CI also!
> > > > > >
> > > > > > So, that's part of the root of the problem here.  We're passing
> > > > > > --fake-ext-blobs to binman so that it will create those 0 byte files
> > > > > > and it in turn complain. I think we didn't figure out a good way to
> > > > > > tell buildman to pass that to binman tho?
> > > > >
> > > > > I hope the above patch will fix this part of the problem.
> > > >
> > > > I'm not sure. What I really want to see is something like buildman
> > > > --fake-ext-blobs, which in turn does 'make BINMANFLAGS=--fake-ext-blobs'
> > > > or 'make BINMAN_FAKE_EXT_BLOBS=1' and that is what sets --fake-ext-blobs
> > > > to be passed inside of cmd_binman, so that we can tell CI to do that
> > > > (just like we do -E today, to ensure -Werror) but regular users get
> > > > build failures.
> > >
> > > IMO we should add my patch as well as what you are saying here. They
> > > are handling slightly different issues.
> >
> > Yes, the above is useful, to fix a different issue (and should fix some
> > issues in my before/after world builds).
> 
> OK good. Yes, a different issue as you say.
> 
> >
> > > As to this one, I can make binman return an error result if any images
> > > are invalid, controlled with a -W flag, perhaps, as with buildman.
> > >
> > > It is not just faked blobs - we need to raise a warning/error for
> > > missing ones too.
> > >
> > > Then we could pass -W from CI using an env var picked up by the
> > > Makefile as you say. It could control whether --allow-missing and
> > > --fake-ext-blobs are passed to binman.
> > >
> > > Then a normal build will produce errors.
> > >
> > > We still need buildman to work locally though, for build testing. I
> > > think returning exit code 101 could be good enough for that.
> > >
> > > Anyway, as I say, these are things for future improvement in addition
> > > to my patch, IMO.
> >
> > I really think this needs to be a fails by default situation, and a new
> > flag to buildman to say allow for CI and similar test builds to
> > complete (that in turn passes the right flag(s) to binman), and complain
> > without non-zero exit status. But the default should be visible /
> > descriptive failure with a normal non-zero exit status.
> 
> I've been thinking about this. In practice there is no way that a
> 'buildman -b' build can have the right binary blobs in place. Where
> would they come from? So it would always fail. I don't think that is
> really what we want? I use buildman in this way all the time. I also
> hate binary blobs and don't want them to interrupt my workflow. As you
> know the LTO issue has more than doubled my incremental build times
> for sandbox and some other boards and I've been in this situation for
> a long time (please can you apply that fix? :-)
> 
> I agree that the default should be a visible / descriptive failure,
> but perhaps we can start with sorting out Makefile, so that by default
> it fails and you have to pass an arg to get it to handle missing or
> fake blobs. I should have done that at the start. That should fix most
> people. This is your env var idea, and I agree with that. I can do a
> patch.
> 
> Then we get to the people who use buildman for their builds instead of
> make. That has recently included me on some machines, now we have the
> --ide and -w flags, but I'm not sure how common it is. We don't
> document buildman as a way of doing development. Anyway, we need this
> to fail too, by default. In this case it is normally building a single
> board and using the -w flag.
> 
> So perhaps we could have a different rule for -b or multiple boards
> than for a 'current source' or '-w' build? I am not sure how we could
> do this cleanly, but we could perhaps have a flag like --blobs with
> several options:
> 
> --blobs fail | allow | fake
> 
> where the default value (if no --blobs flag is provided) varies
> depending on other flags?
> 
> As I read this I suppose you will think this is overkill. But I am
> really thinking about how this would affect development and there are
> so many things already in the way.

I think we're almost on the same page here. What I want is for:
tools/buildman/buildman --fake-ext-blobs
to do 'make BINMAN_FAKE_BLOBS=1' and so this then works:
diff --git a/Makefile b/Makefile
index 1a66f69a4b14..6c406735564c 100644
--- a/Makefile
+++ b/Makefile
@@ -1346,8 +1346,8 @@ cmd_binman = $(srctree)/tools/binman/binman $(if $(BINMAN_DEBUG),-D) \
 		$(foreach f,$(BINMAN_TOOLPATHS),--toolpath $(f)) \
                 --toolpath $(objtree)/tools \
 		$(if $(BINMAN_VERBOSE),-v$(BINMAN_VERBOSE)) \
-		build -u -d u-boot.dtb -O . -m --allow-missing \
-		--fake-ext-blobs \
+		build -u -d u-boot.dtb -O . -m \
+		$(if $(BINMAN_FAKE_BLOBS),--allow-missing --fake-ext-blobs) \
 		-I . -I $(srctree) -I $(srctree)/board/$(BOARDDIR) \
 		-I arch/$(ARCH)/dts -a of-list=$(CONFIG_OF_LIST) \
 		$(foreach f,$(BINMAN_INDIRS),-I $(f)) \


So that then you're either using buildman and can pass the new flag to
get binman to act like before, or you're going to see a more visible
failure when using make and not do what needs to be done (which isn't
always consistent, sigh) to say where to find what blobs.

-- 
Tom

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Re: binman warning/failure when blobs are missing

[Simon Glass]

Hi Tom,

On Sat, 13 Aug 2022 at 06:36, Tom Rini <trini@konsulko.com> wrote:
>
> On Fri, Aug 12, 2022 at 08:21:05PM -0600, Simon Glass wrote:
> > Hi Tom,
> >
> > On Fri, 12 Aug 2022 at 10:11, Tom Rini <trini@konsulko.com> wrote:
> > >
> > > On Fri, Aug 12, 2022 at 09:11:11AM -0600, Simon Glass wrote:
> > > > Hi Tom,
> > > >
> > > > On Thu, 11 Aug 2022 at 19:03, Tom Rini <trini@konsulko.com> wrote:
> > > > >
> > > > > On Thu, Aug 11, 2022 at 06:08:51PM -0600, Simon Glass wrote:
> > > > > > Hi,
> > > > > >
> > > > > > On Thu, 11 Aug 2022 at 11:44, Tom Rini <trini@konsulko.com> wrote:
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > On Thu, Aug 11, 2022 at 09:59:05AM -0700, Tim Harvey wrote:
> > > > > > > > On Thu, Aug 11, 2022 at 9:48 AM Tom Rini <trini@konsulko.com> wrote:
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > On Thu, Aug 11, 2022 at 09:27:44AM -0700, Tim Harvey wrote:
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > Greetings,
> > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > After a couple of hours troubleshooting a bad boot image today I
> > > > > > > > > > realized the issue was that I had some 0 byte files for the lpddr4
> > > > > > > > > > training blobs that are part of the imx8mp binman created image.
> > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > Digging in I found that if a blob referenced in the binman node is
> > > > > > > > > > missing a warning will be output but the missing files will be
> > > > > > > > > > 'created' as 0 byte files such that the next time you build you will
> > > > > > > > > > get no warning (but will have a non-working image). Additionally the
> > > > > > > > > > error does not cause a non-zero exit code.
> > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > I'm not that fluent in python these days, and don't have the time for
> > > > > > > > > > a while to try and fix this but I figured I would at least send this
> > > > > > > > > > email in case someone else does.
> > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > Example:
> > > > > > > > > > # rm *lpddr4*.bin # make sure lpddr4*.bin files referenced in binman
> > > > > > > > > > nodes are missing
> > > > > > > > > > # make distclean imx8mp_venice_defconfig flash.bin && echo "build ok"
> > > > > > > > > > ...
> > > > > > > > > >   BINMAN  flash.bin
> > > > > > > > > > Image 'main-section' is missing external blobs and is non-functional: ddr-1d-ime
> > > > > > > > > > m-fw ddr-1d-dmem-fw ddr-2d-imem-fw ddr-2d-dmem-fw
> > > > > > > > > > Image 'main-section' has faked external blobs and is non-functional: lpddr4_pmu_
> > > > > > > > > > train_1d_imem_202006.bin lpddr4_pmu_train_1d_dmem_202006.bin lpddr4_pmu_train_2d
> > > > > > > > > > _imem_202006.bin lpddr4_pmu_train_2d_dmem_202006.bin
> > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > Some images are invalid
> > > > > > > > > > ^^^ excellent warning
> > > > > > > > > > build ok
> > > > > > > > > > ^^^ not so great that there is a successful exit code
> > > > > > > > > > # make flash.bin && echo "build ok"
> > > > > > > > > > ...
> > > > > > > > > >   BINMAN  flash.bin
> > > > > > > > > > build ok
> > > > > > > > > > ^^^ absolutely horrible that 0 byte files were created and thus
> > > > > > > > > > everything looks good this time around!
> > > > > > > > > > # stat -c "%s %n" lpddr4*.bin
> > > > > > > > > > 0 lpddr4_pmu_train_1d_dmem_202006.bin
> > > > > > > > > > 0 lpddr4_pmu_train_1d_imem_202006.bin
> > > > > > > > > > 0 lpddr4_pmu_train_2d_dmem_202006.bin
> > > > > > > > > > 0 lpddr4_pmu_train_2d_imem_202006.bin
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > So, this isn't the first time someone has had this problem. On the one
> > > > > > > > > hand, we need CI to pass, and not require fetching of arbitrary further
> > > > > > > > > images to assemble the binary. On the other hand, we don't want users
> > > > > > > > > spending a bunch of time because something didn't work and the normal
> > > > > > > > > way of conveying THIS WON'T WORK is a non-zero exit status. Can we
> > > > > > > > > easily make some flag for buildman or binman that we do set in CI but
> > > > > > > > > won't be set by users?
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > Tom,
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > Ok - that makes sense as far as the exit status goes. It would be MUCH
> > > > > > > > easier to catch an error like this if binman didn't create 0 byte
> > > > > > > > files for missing files so that you at least get the (ascii colored)
> > > > > > > > message indicating the image is wrong.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Please see this:
> > > > > >
> > > > > > https://patchwork.ozlabs.org/project/uboot/patch/20220807154708.1418967-2-sjg@chromium.org/
> > > > > >
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > I do love the idea of a flag for CI also!
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > So, that's part of the root of the problem here.  We're passing
> > > > > > > --fake-ext-blobs to binman so that it will create those 0 byte files
> > > > > > > and it in turn complain. I think we didn't figure out a good way to
> > > > > > > tell buildman to pass that to binman tho?
> > > > > >
> > > > > > I hope the above patch will fix this part of the problem.
> > > > >
> > > > > I'm not sure. What I really want to see is something like buildman
> > > > > --fake-ext-blobs, which in turn does 'make BINMANFLAGS=--fake-ext-blobs'
> > > > > or 'make BINMAN_FAKE_EXT_BLOBS=1' and that is what sets --fake-ext-blobs
> > > > > to be passed inside of cmd_binman, so that we can tell CI to do that
> > > > > (just like we do -E today, to ensure -Werror) but regular users get
> > > > > build failures.
> > > >
> > > > IMO we should add my patch as well as what you are saying here. They
> > > > are handling slightly different issues.
> > >
> > > Yes, the above is useful, to fix a different issue (and should fix some
> > > issues in my before/after world builds).
> >
> > OK good. Yes, a different issue as you say.
> >
> > >
> > > > As to this one, I can make binman return an error result if any images
> > > > are invalid, controlled with a -W flag, perhaps, as with buildman.
> > > >
> > > > It is not just faked blobs - we need to raise a warning/error for
> > > > missing ones too.
> > > >
> > > > Then we could pass -W from CI using an env var picked up by the
> > > > Makefile as you say. It could control whether --allow-missing and
> > > > --fake-ext-blobs are passed to binman.
> > > >
> > > > Then a normal build will produce errors.
> > > >
> > > > We still need buildman to work locally though, for build testing. I
> > > > think returning exit code 101 could be good enough for that.
> > > >
> > > > Anyway, as I say, these are things for future improvement in addition
> > > > to my patch, IMO.
> > >
> > > I really think this needs to be a fails by default situation, and a new
> > > flag to buildman to say allow for CI and similar test builds to
> > > complete (that in turn passes the right flag(s) to binman), and complain
> > > without non-zero exit status. But the default should be visible /
> > > descriptive failure with a normal non-zero exit status.
> >
> > I've been thinking about this. In practice there is no way that a
> > 'buildman -b' build can have the right binary blobs in place. Where
> > would they come from? So it would always fail. I don't think that is
> > really what we want? I use buildman in this way all the time. I also
> > hate binary blobs and don't want them to interrupt my workflow. As you
> > know the LTO issue has more than doubled my incremental build times
> > for sandbox and some other boards and I've been in this situation for
> > a long time (please can you apply that fix? :-)
> >
> > I agree that the default should be a visible / descriptive failure,
> > but perhaps we can start with sorting out Makefile, so that by default
> > it fails and you have to pass an arg to get it to handle missing or
> > fake blobs. I should have done that at the start. That should fix most
> > people. This is your env var idea, and I agree with that. I can do a
> > patch.
> >
> > Then we get to the people who use buildman for their builds instead of
> > make. That has recently included me on some machines, now we have the
> > --ide and -w flags, but I'm not sure how common it is. We don't
> > document buildman as a way of doing development. Anyway, we need this
> > to fail too, by default. In this case it is normally building a single
> > board and using the -w flag.
> >
> > So perhaps we could have a different rule for -b or multiple boards
> > than for a 'current source' or '-w' build? I am not sure how we could
> > do this cleanly, but we could perhaps have a flag like --blobs with
> > several options:
> >
> > --blobs fail | allow | fake
> >
> > where the default value (if no --blobs flag is provided) varies
> > depending on other flags?
> >
> > As I read this I suppose you will think this is overkill. But I am
> > really thinking about how this would affect development and there are
> > so many things already in the way.
>
> I think we're almost on the same page here. What I want is for:
> tools/buildman/buildman --fake-ext-blobs
> to do 'make BINMAN_FAKE_BLOBS=1' and so this then works:
> diff --git a/Makefile b/Makefile
> index 1a66f69a4b14..6c406735564c 100644
> --- a/Makefile
> +++ b/Makefile
> @@ -1346,8 +1346,8 @@ cmd_binman = $(srctree)/tools/binman/binman $(if $(BINMAN_DEBUG),-D) \
>                 $(foreach f,$(BINMAN_TOOLPATHS),--toolpath $(f)) \
>                  --toolpath $(objtree)/tools \
>                 $(if $(BINMAN_VERBOSE),-v$(BINMAN_VERBOSE)) \
> -               build -u -d u-boot.dtb -O . -m --allow-missing \
> -               --fake-ext-blobs \
> +               build -u -d u-boot.dtb -O . -m \
> +               $(if $(BINMAN_FAKE_BLOBS),--allow-missing --fake-ext-blobs) \
>                 -I . -I $(srctree) -I $(srctree)/board/$(BOARDDIR) \
>                 -I arch/$(ARCH)/dts -a of-list=$(CONFIG_OF_LIST) \
>                 $(foreach f,$(BINMAN_INDIRS),-I $(f)) \
>
>
> So that then you're either using buildman and can pass the new flag to
> get binman to act like before, or you're going to see a more visible
> failure when using make and not do what needs to be done (which isn't
> always consistent, sigh) to say where to find what blobs.

Yes that seems OK to me, except that I think buildman should default
to faking blobs when building a branch, since otherwise it will
(almost) never work. Did you see my thoughts about the policy stuff?

So in my view we need at least three changes:
- the 'fake files in a subdir' patch I already sent
- the Makefile patch as above
- some policy arg to buildman so people don't have to manually enable
fake blobs when building multiple boards

Regards,
Simon

Re: binman warning/failure when blobs are missing

[Tom Rini]

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On Mon, Aug 15, 2022 at 11:37:57AM -0600, Simon Glass wrote:
> Hi Tom,
> 
> On Sat, 13 Aug 2022 at 06:36, Tom Rini <trini@konsulko.com> wrote:
> >
> > On Fri, Aug 12, 2022 at 08:21:05PM -0600, Simon Glass wrote:
> > > Hi Tom,
> > >
> > > On Fri, 12 Aug 2022 at 10:11, Tom Rini <trini@konsulko.com> wrote:
> > > >
> > > > On Fri, Aug 12, 2022 at 09:11:11AM -0600, Simon Glass wrote:
> > > > > Hi Tom,
> > > > >
> > > > > On Thu, 11 Aug 2022 at 19:03, Tom Rini <trini@konsulko.com> wrote:
> > > > > >
> > > > > > On Thu, Aug 11, 2022 at 06:08:51PM -0600, Simon Glass wrote:
> > > > > > > Hi,
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > On Thu, 11 Aug 2022 at 11:44, Tom Rini <trini@konsulko.com> wrote:
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > On Thu, Aug 11, 2022 at 09:59:05AM -0700, Tim Harvey wrote:
> > > > > > > > > On Thu, Aug 11, 2022 at 9:48 AM Tom Rini <trini@konsulko.com> wrote:
> > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > On Thu, Aug 11, 2022 at 09:27:44AM -0700, Tim Harvey wrote:
> > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > Greetings,
> > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > After a couple of hours troubleshooting a bad boot image today I
> > > > > > > > > > > realized the issue was that I had some 0 byte files for the lpddr4
> > > > > > > > > > > training blobs that are part of the imx8mp binman created image.
> > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > Digging in I found that if a blob referenced in the binman node is
> > > > > > > > > > > missing a warning will be output but the missing files will be
> > > > > > > > > > > 'created' as 0 byte files such that the next time you build you will
> > > > > > > > > > > get no warning (but will have a non-working image). Additionally the
> > > > > > > > > > > error does not cause a non-zero exit code.
> > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > I'm not that fluent in python these days, and don't have the time for
> > > > > > > > > > > a while to try and fix this but I figured I would at least send this
> > > > > > > > > > > email in case someone else does.
> > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > Example:
> > > > > > > > > > > # rm *lpddr4*.bin # make sure lpddr4*.bin files referenced in binman
> > > > > > > > > > > nodes are missing
> > > > > > > > > > > # make distclean imx8mp_venice_defconfig flash.bin && echo "build ok"
> > > > > > > > > > > ...
> > > > > > > > > > >   BINMAN  flash.bin
> > > > > > > > > > > Image 'main-section' is missing external blobs and is non-functional: ddr-1d-ime
> > > > > > > > > > > m-fw ddr-1d-dmem-fw ddr-2d-imem-fw ddr-2d-dmem-fw
> > > > > > > > > > > Image 'main-section' has faked external blobs and is non-functional: lpddr4_pmu_
> > > > > > > > > > > train_1d_imem_202006.bin lpddr4_pmu_train_1d_dmem_202006.bin lpddr4_pmu_train_2d
> > > > > > > > > > > _imem_202006.bin lpddr4_pmu_train_2d_dmem_202006.bin
> > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > Some images are invalid
> > > > > > > > > > > ^^^ excellent warning
> > > > > > > > > > > build ok
> > > > > > > > > > > ^^^ not so great that there is a successful exit code
> > > > > > > > > > > # make flash.bin && echo "build ok"
> > > > > > > > > > > ...
> > > > > > > > > > >   BINMAN  flash.bin
> > > > > > > > > > > build ok
> > > > > > > > > > > ^^^ absolutely horrible that 0 byte files were created and thus
> > > > > > > > > > > everything looks good this time around!
> > > > > > > > > > > # stat -c "%s %n" lpddr4*.bin
> > > > > > > > > > > 0 lpddr4_pmu_train_1d_dmem_202006.bin
> > > > > > > > > > > 0 lpddr4_pmu_train_1d_imem_202006.bin
> > > > > > > > > > > 0 lpddr4_pmu_train_2d_dmem_202006.bin
> > > > > > > > > > > 0 lpddr4_pmu_train_2d_imem_202006.bin
> > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > So, this isn't the first time someone has had this problem. On the one
> > > > > > > > > > hand, we need CI to pass, and not require fetching of arbitrary further
> > > > > > > > > > images to assemble the binary. On the other hand, we don't want users
> > > > > > > > > > spending a bunch of time because something didn't work and the normal
> > > > > > > > > > way of conveying THIS WON'T WORK is a non-zero exit status. Can we
> > > > > > > > > > easily make some flag for buildman or binman that we do set in CI but
> > > > > > > > > > won't be set by users?
> > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > Tom,
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > Ok - that makes sense as far as the exit status goes. It would be MUCH
> > > > > > > > > easier to catch an error like this if binman didn't create 0 byte
> > > > > > > > > files for missing files so that you at least get the (ascii colored)
> > > > > > > > > message indicating the image is wrong.
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > Please see this:
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > https://patchwork.ozlabs.org/project/uboot/patch/20220807154708.1418967-2-sjg@chromium.org/
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > I do love the idea of a flag for CI also!
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > So, that's part of the root of the problem here.  We're passing
> > > > > > > > --fake-ext-blobs to binman so that it will create those 0 byte files
> > > > > > > > and it in turn complain. I think we didn't figure out a good way to
> > > > > > > > tell buildman to pass that to binman tho?
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > I hope the above patch will fix this part of the problem.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > I'm not sure. What I really want to see is something like buildman
> > > > > > --fake-ext-blobs, which in turn does 'make BINMANFLAGS=--fake-ext-blobs'
> > > > > > or 'make BINMAN_FAKE_EXT_BLOBS=1' and that is what sets --fake-ext-blobs
> > > > > > to be passed inside of cmd_binman, so that we can tell CI to do that
> > > > > > (just like we do -E today, to ensure -Werror) but regular users get
> > > > > > build failures.
> > > > >
> > > > > IMO we should add my patch as well as what you are saying here. They
> > > > > are handling slightly different issues.
> > > >
> > > > Yes, the above is useful, to fix a different issue (and should fix some
> > > > issues in my before/after world builds).
> > >
> > > OK good. Yes, a different issue as you say.
> > >
> > > >
> > > > > As to this one, I can make binman return an error result if any images
> > > > > are invalid, controlled with a -W flag, perhaps, as with buildman.
> > > > >
> > > > > It is not just faked blobs - we need to raise a warning/error for
> > > > > missing ones too.
> > > > >
> > > > > Then we could pass -W from CI using an env var picked up by the
> > > > > Makefile as you say. It could control whether --allow-missing and
> > > > > --fake-ext-blobs are passed to binman.
> > > > >
> > > > > Then a normal build will produce errors.
> > > > >
> > > > > We still need buildman to work locally though, for build testing. I
> > > > > think returning exit code 101 could be good enough for that.
> > > > >
> > > > > Anyway, as I say, these are things for future improvement in addition
> > > > > to my patch, IMO.
> > > >
> > > > I really think this needs to be a fails by default situation, and a new
> > > > flag to buildman to say allow for CI and similar test builds to
> > > > complete (that in turn passes the right flag(s) to binman), and complain
> > > > without non-zero exit status. But the default should be visible /
> > > > descriptive failure with a normal non-zero exit status.
> > >
> > > I've been thinking about this. In practice there is no way that a
> > > 'buildman -b' build can have the right binary blobs in place. Where
> > > would they come from? So it would always fail. I don't think that is
> > > really what we want? I use buildman in this way all the time. I also
> > > hate binary blobs and don't want them to interrupt my workflow. As you
> > > know the LTO issue has more than doubled my incremental build times
> > > for sandbox and some other boards and I've been in this situation for
> > > a long time (please can you apply that fix? :-)
> > >
> > > I agree that the default should be a visible / descriptive failure,
> > > but perhaps we can start with sorting out Makefile, so that by default
> > > it fails and you have to pass an arg to get it to handle missing or
> > > fake blobs. I should have done that at the start. That should fix most
> > > people. This is your env var idea, and I agree with that. I can do a
> > > patch.
> > >
> > > Then we get to the people who use buildman for their builds instead of
> > > make. That has recently included me on some machines, now we have the
> > > --ide and -w flags, but I'm not sure how common it is. We don't
> > > document buildman as a way of doing development. Anyway, we need this
> > > to fail too, by default. In this case it is normally building a single
> > > board and using the -w flag.
> > >
> > > So perhaps we could have a different rule for -b or multiple boards
> > > than for a 'current source' or '-w' build? I am not sure how we could
> > > do this cleanly, but we could perhaps have a flag like --blobs with
> > > several options:
> > >
> > > --blobs fail | allow | fake
> > >
> > > where the default value (if no --blobs flag is provided) varies
> > > depending on other flags?
> > >
> > > As I read this I suppose you will think this is overkill. But I am
> > > really thinking about how this would affect development and there are
> > > so many things already in the way.
> >
> > I think we're almost on the same page here. What I want is for:
> > tools/buildman/buildman --fake-ext-blobs
> > to do 'make BINMAN_FAKE_BLOBS=1' and so this then works:
> > diff --git a/Makefile b/Makefile
> > index 1a66f69a4b14..6c406735564c 100644
> > --- a/Makefile
> > +++ b/Makefile
> > @@ -1346,8 +1346,8 @@ cmd_binman = $(srctree)/tools/binman/binman $(if $(BINMAN_DEBUG),-D) \
> >                 $(foreach f,$(BINMAN_TOOLPATHS),--toolpath $(f)) \
> >                  --toolpath $(objtree)/tools \
> >                 $(if $(BINMAN_VERBOSE),-v$(BINMAN_VERBOSE)) \
> > -               build -u -d u-boot.dtb -O . -m --allow-missing \
> > -               --fake-ext-blobs \
> > +               build -u -d u-boot.dtb -O . -m \
> > +               $(if $(BINMAN_FAKE_BLOBS),--allow-missing --fake-ext-blobs) \
> >                 -I . -I $(srctree) -I $(srctree)/board/$(BOARDDIR) \
> >                 -I arch/$(ARCH)/dts -a of-list=$(CONFIG_OF_LIST) \
> >                 $(foreach f,$(BINMAN_INDIRS),-I $(f)) \
> >
> >
> > So that then you're either using buildman and can pass the new flag to
> > get binman to act like before, or you're going to see a more visible
> > failure when using make and not do what needs to be done (which isn't
> > always consistent, sigh) to say where to find what blobs.
> 
> Yes that seems OK to me, except that I think buildman should default
> to faking blobs when building a branch, since otherwise it will
> (almost) never work. Did you see my thoughts about the policy stuff?

When building a branch I think it's reasonable to just specify the flag
too. I missed the policy stuff, sorry, where was it?

> So in my view we need at least three changes:
> - the 'fake files in a subdir' patch I already sent

Yes.

> - the Makefile patch as above

Or something like it, I was just trying to make my request clearer.

> - some policy arg to buildman so people don't have to manually enable
> fake blobs when building multiple boards

No. It's not even strictly true that you can't re-use blobs on multiple
boards. You can't share them between wholly disparate platforms of
course but between things like ref platforms using safe defaults or the
cases where multiple configs exist for the same platform, or the blobs
didn't change between rev A and B and C of a platform we have enough
cases where it's valid to share them.

Maybe one thing that colors my point of view here is that aside from
--dry-run -v GLOB I never run buildman directly.

-- 
Tom

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