What happened to LAN Media Corporation?

What happened to LAN Media Corporation?

[Adrian Bunk]

MAINTAINERS says:


<--  snip  -->

LANMEDIA WAN CARD DRIVER
P:      Andrew Stanley-Jones
M:      asj@lanmedia.com
W:      http://www.lanmedia.com/
S:      Supported

<--  snip  -->


But lanmedia.com seems to be for sale by buydomains.com .


cu
Adrian

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Re: What happened to LAN Media Corporation?

[Dave Jones]

On Thu, Feb 26, 2004 at 11:51:31PM +0100, Adrian Bunk wrote:
 > MAINTAINERS says:
 > 
 > LANMEDIA WAN CARD DRIVER
 > P:      Andrew Stanley-Jones
 > M:      asj@lanmedia.com
 > W:      http://www.lanmedia.com/
 > S:      Supported
 > 
 > But lanmedia.com seems to be for sale by buydomains.com .

First hit on google..

http://www.sbei.net/archive/prs/2000/071400.htm

		Dave

Re: What happened to LAN Media Corporation?

[Daniel Egger]

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On Feb 26, 2004, at 11:51 pm, Adrian Bunk wrote:

> LANMEDIA WAN CARD DRIVER
> P:      Andrew Stanley-Jones
> M:      asj@lanmedia.com
> W:      http://www.lanmedia.com/
> S:      Supported
		  ^^^^^^^^^
Isn't there a no joke in maintainers policy? Should be.

> But lanmedia.com seems to be for sale by buydomains.com .

Bought by SBE. And the first cool action they placed on the
market was to substitute all occurrences of LMC in the driver
by SBE and make some other incompatible changes to make sure
that the old tools wouldn't work with the "new" driver and
vice versa. Surprisingly the kernel maintainers did not like
this very much so the drivers in the latest kernels are
somewhat old and conflicting with the "real" drivers.

What's more, their driver version 3.2 doesn't compile with
2.4.21 and up, so unless they've eventually released their
highquality patch/driver/tool/utilities/extras + telnet
and more bundle in version 4.0 version which will probably
only work up to 2.4.24 anyway (due to the latest HDLC
changes), one has to stick to an old version of the driver,
which works somewhat but given the extraordinary code quality
I would be very surprised if that's a synonym for a nice
uptime.

There's something about WAN card manufacturers that seems to
say: If you hate us for the sad driver quality, check back
with our competition and then come back later...

Who's up next: Sangoma?

Servus,
       Daniel

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Re: What happened to LAN Media Corporation?

[Adrian Bunk]

On Thu, Feb 26, 2004 at 10:56:01PM +0000, Dave Jones wrote:
> On Thu, Feb 26, 2004 at 11:51:31PM +0100, Adrian Bunk wrote:
>  > MAINTAINERS says:
>  > 
>  > LANMEDIA WAN CARD DRIVER
>  > P:      Andrew Stanley-Jones
>  > M:      asj@lanmedia.com
>  > W:      http://www.lanmedia.com/
>  > S:      Supported
>  > 
>  > But lanmedia.com seems to be for sale by buydomains.com .
> 
> First hit on google..
> 
> http://www.sbei.net/archive/prs/2000/071400.htm

Ah thanks, I used the wrong words for my Google search.

> 		Dave

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Adrian

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Re: What happened to LAN Media Corporation?

[Adrian Bunk]

On Fri, Feb 27, 2004 at 02:38:36AM +0100, Daniel Egger wrote:
>...
> Bought by SBE. And the first cool action they placed on the
> market was to substitute all occurrences of LMC in the driver
> by SBE and make some other incompatible changes to make sure
> that the old tools wouldn't work with the "new" driver and
> vice versa. Surprisingly the kernel maintainers did not like
> this very much so the drivers in the latest kernels are
> somewhat old and conflicting with the "real" drivers.
>...

IOW:
The entry from MAINTAINER can be removed?

> Servus,
>       Daniel

cu
Adrian

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Re: What happened to LAN Media Corporation?

[Daniel Egger]

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On Feb 27, 2004, at 9:54 pm, Adrian Bunk wrote:

> IOW:
> The entry from MAINTAINER can be removed?

This one for sure. The same is probably sensible for the
drivers, too. It's just too confusing to not several
versions of the driver floating around which need different
tools. And since the manufacturer propagates their own
version, the linux one should go...

Patch to follow shortly...

Servus,
       Daniel

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[2.4 patch] MAINTAINERS: remove LAN media entry

[Adrian Bunk]

On Sat, Feb 28, 2004 at 11:57:11AM +0100, Daniel Egger wrote:
> On Feb 27, 2004, at 9:54 pm, Adrian Bunk wrote:
> 
> >IOW:
> >The entry from MAINTAINER can be removed?
> 
> This one for sure. The same is probably sensible for the
> drivers, too. It's just too confusing to not several
> versions of the driver floating around which need different
> tools. And since the manufacturer propagates their own
> version, the linux one should go...
>...


It's a question whether removing drivers from a stable kernel series is 
a good idea, but the following is definitely correct:


--- linux-2.4.26-pre2-full/MAINTAINERS.old	2004-03-07 16:48:59.000000000 +0100
+++ linux-2.4.26-pre2-full/MAINTAINERS	2004-03-07 16:49:09.000000000 +0100
@@ -1077,12 +1077,6 @@
 W:	http://www.cse.unsw.edu.au/~neilb/oss/knfsd/
 S:	Maintained
 
-LANMEDIA WAN CARD DRIVER
-P:      Andrew Stanley-Jones
-M:      asj@lanmedia.com
-W:      http://www.lanmedia.com/
-S:      Supported
- 
 LAPB module
 P:	Henner Eisen
 M:	eis@baty.hanse.de


> Servus,
>       Daniel

cu
Adrian

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Re: [2.6 patch] MAINTAINERS: remove LAN media entry

[Adrian Bunk]

On Sat, Feb 28, 2004 at 11:57:11AM +0100, Daniel Egger wrote:
> On Feb 27, 2004, at 9:54 pm, Adrian Bunk wrote:
> 
> >IOW:
> >The entry from MAINTAINER can be removed?
> 
> This one for sure. The same is probably sensible for the
> drivers, too. It's just too confusing to not several
> versions of the driver floating around which need different
> tools. And since the manufacturer propagates their own
> version, the linux one should go...
>...


It's a question whether removing drivers from a stable kernel series is
a good idea, but the following is definitely correct:


--- linux-2.6.4-rc1-mm2/MAINTAINERS.old	2004-03-07 16:47:18.000000000 +0100
+++ linux-2.6.4-rc1-mm2/MAINTAINERS	2004-03-07 16:47:32.000000000 +0100
@@ -1200,12 +1200,6 @@
 W:	http://www.cse.unsw.edu.au/~neilb/patches/linux-devel/
 S:	Maintained
 
-LANMEDIA WAN CARD DRIVER
-P:	Andrew Stanley-Jones
-M:	asj@lanmedia.com
-W:	http://www.lanmedia.com/
-S:	Supported
- 
 LAPB module
 P:	Henner Eisen
 M:	eis@baty.hanse.de



> Servus,
>       Daniel

cu
Adrian

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Re: [2.6 patch] MAINTAINERS: remove LAN media entry

[Sam Ravnborg]

On Sun, Mar 07, 2004 at 04:51:47PM +0100, Adrian Bunk wrote:
> On Sat, Feb 28, 2004 at 11:57:11AM +0100, Daniel Egger wrote:
> > On Feb 27, 2004, at 9:54 pm, Adrian Bunk wrote:
> > 
> > >IOW:
> > >The entry from MAINTAINER can be removed?
> > 
> > This one for sure. The same is probably sensible for the
> > drivers, too. It's just too confusing to not several
> > versions of the driver floating around which need different
> > tools. And since the manufacturer propagates their own
> > version, the linux one should go...
> >...
> 
> 
> It's a question whether removing drivers from a stable kernel series is
> a good idea, but the following is definitely correct:

Why do you remove it completely, instead of just marking it unmaintained,
and remove the address information?
They when searching you know the you have found the right entry, but
unfortunately it is unmaintained.

	Sam

Re: [2.6 patch] MAINTAINERS: remove LAN media entry

[Adrian Bunk]

On Sun, Mar 07, 2004 at 05:25:23PM +0100, Sam Ravnborg wrote:
> On Sun, Mar 07, 2004 at 04:51:47PM +0100, Adrian Bunk wrote:
> > On Sat, Feb 28, 2004 at 11:57:11AM +0100, Daniel Egger wrote:
> > > On Feb 27, 2004, at 9:54 pm, Adrian Bunk wrote:
> > > 
> > > >IOW:
> > > >The entry from MAINTAINER can be removed?
> > > 
> > > This one for sure. The same is probably sensible for the
> > > drivers, too. It's just too confusing to not several
> > > versions of the driver floating around which need different
> > > tools. And since the manufacturer propagates their own
> > > version, the linux one should go...
> > >...
> > 
> > 
> > It's a question whether removing drivers from a stable kernel series is
> > a good idea, but the following is definitely correct:
> 
> Why do you remove it completely, instead of just marking it unmaintained,
> and remove the address information?
> They when searching you know the you have found the right entry, but
> unfortunately it is unmaintained.

In 2.6.4-rc1-mm2, there's exactly one entry marked "Unmaintained"
(PCMCIA SUBSYSTEM) and there are very few marked "Orphan".

I don't have a strong opinion on this, but my impresion was that usually 
unmaintained device drivers are not listed in MAINTAINERS.

> 	Sam

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Re: [2.6 patch] MAINTAINERS: remove LAN media entry

[Daniel Egger]

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On Mar 7, 2004, at 4:51 pm, Adrian Bunk wrote:

> It's a question whether removing drivers from a stable kernel series is
> a good idea, but the following is definitely correct:

It would be nevertheless nice though if someone would actually confirm
that the drivers work at all. And even more it would be really cool to
know where to find the tools to control the modus operandi and whether
they work at all.

I have one of those cards is a pretty obscure machine but lacking a
T-1/E-1 connection I cannot test it over here.

Servus,
       Daniel

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Re: [2.6 patch] MAINTAINERS: remove LAN media entry

[Sam Ravnborg]

On Sun, Mar 07, 2004 at 05:32:46PM +0100, Adrian Bunk wrote:
> In 2.6.4-rc1-mm2, there's exactly one entry marked "Unmaintained"
> (PCMCIA SUBSYSTEM) and there are very few marked "Orphan".
> 
> I don't have a strong opinion on this, but my impresion was that usually 
> unmaintained device drivers are not listed in MAINTAINERS.

OK - we should follow general practice.

	Sam

Re: [2.4 patch] MAINTAINERS: remove LAN media entry

[Marcelo Tosatti]

On Sun, 7 Mar 2004, Adrian Bunk wrote:

> On Sat, Feb 28, 2004 at 11:57:11AM +0100, Daniel Egger wrote:
> > On Feb 27, 2004, at 9:54 pm, Adrian Bunk wrote:
> > 
> > >IOW:
> > >The entry from MAINTAINER can be removed?
> > 
> > This one for sure. The same is probably sensible for the
> > drivers, too. It's just too confusing to not several
> > versions of the driver floating around which need different
> > tools. And since the manufacturer propagates their own
> > version, the linux one should go...
> >...
> 
> 
> It's a question whether removing drivers from a stable kernel series is 
> a good idea, but the following is definitely correct:
> 
> 
> --- linux-2.4.26-pre2-full/MAINTAINERS.old	2004-03-07 16:48:59.000000000 +0100
> +++ linux-2.4.26-pre2-full/MAINTAINERS	2004-03-07 16:49:09.000000000 +0100
> @@ -1077,12 +1077,6 @@
>  W:	http://www.cse.unsw.edu.au/~neilb/oss/knfsd/
>  S:	Maintained
>  
> -LANMEDIA WAN CARD DRIVER
> -P:      Andrew Stanley-Jones
> -M:      asj@lanmedia.com
> -W:      http://www.lanmedia.com/
> -S:      Supported
> - 
>  LAPB module
>  P:	Henner Eisen
>  M:	eis@baty.hanse.de
> 

I think it might be better to change to


LANMEDIA WAN CARD DRIVER
S: UNMAINTAINED

Thoughts? 

Re: [2.4 patch] MAINTAINERS: remove LAN media entry

[YOSHIFUJI Hideaki / 吉藤英明]

In article <Pine.LNX.4.44.0403080221520.2604-100000@dmt.cyclades> (at Mon, 8 Mar 2004 02:22:36 -0300 (BRT)), Marcelo Tosatti <marcelo.tosatti@cyclades.com> says:

> > -LANMEDIA WAN CARD DRIVER
> > -P:      Andrew Stanley-Jones
> > -M:      asj@lanmedia.com
> > -W:      http://www.lanmedia.com/
> > -S:      Supported
> > - 
> >  LAPB module
> >  P:	Henner Eisen
> >  M:	eis@baty.hanse.de
> > 
> 
> I think it might be better to change to
> 
> 
> LANMEDIA WAN CARD DRIVER
> S: UNMAINTAINED
> 
> Thoughts? 

"S" is one of the following (from MAINTAINERS):

        Supported:      Someone is actually paid to look after this.
        Maintained:     Someone actually looks after it.
        Odd Fixes:      It has a maintainer but they don't have time to do
                        much other than throw the odd patch in. See below..
        Orphan:         No current maintainer [but maybe you could take the
                        role as you write your new code].
        Obsolete:       Old code. Something tagged obsolete generally means
                        it has been replaced by a better system and you
                        should be using that.

--yoshfuji

Re: [2.4 patch] MAINTAINERS: remove LAN media entry

[Muli Ben-Yehuda]

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On Mon, Mar 08, 2004 at 03:04:02PM +0900, YOSHIFUJI Hideaki / ?$B5HF#1QL@ wrote:
> In article <Pine.LNX.4.44.0403080221520.2604-100000@dmt.cyclades> (at Mon, 8 Mar 2004 02:22:36 -0300 (BRT)), Marcelo Tosatti <marcelo.tosatti@cyclades.com> says:

> > LANMEDIA WAN CARD DRIVER
> > S: UNMAINTAINED
> > 
> > Thoughts? 

Agreed. It's the easiest way to know that something is not
maintained. 
 
> "S" is one of the following (from MAINTAINERS):
> 
>         Supported:      Someone is actually paid to look after this.

Then we should add 'unmaintained'... something like this: 

--- linux-2.4/MAINTAINERS.orig	2004-03-08 09:15:19.000000000 +0200
+++ linux-2.4/MAINTAINERS	2004-03-08 09:15:29.000000000 +0200
@@ -69,6 +69,7 @@
 	Obsolete:	Old code. Something tagged obsolete generally means
 			it has been replaced by a better system and you
 			should be using that.
+        Unmaintained:	Nobody is taking care of it. Maybe you want to?
 
 3C359 NETWORK DRIVER
 P:	Mike Phillips
@@ -1078,10 +1079,7 @@
 S:	Maintained
 
 LANMEDIA WAN CARD DRIVER
-P:      Andrew Stanley-Jones
-M:      asj@lanmedia.com
-W:      http://www.lanmedia.com/
-S:      Supported
+S:      Unmaintained
  
 LAPB module
 P:	Henner Eisen

Cheers, 
Muli 
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Re: [2.4 patch] MAINTAINERS: remove LAN media entry

[YOSHIFUJI Hideaki / 吉藤英明]

In article <20040308071642.GL877@mulix.org> (at Mon, 8 Mar 2004 09:16:43 +0200), Muli Ben-Yehuda <mulix@mulix.org> says:

> > > LANMEDIA WAN CARD DRIVER
> > > S: UNMAINTAINED
:

> > "S" is one of the following (from MAINTAINERS):
> > 
> >         Supported:      Someone is actually paid to look after this.
> 
> Then we should add 'unmaintained'... something like this: 
:
>  			should be using that.
> +        Unmaintained:	Nobody is taking care of it. Maybe you want to?
>  
:

Well, I think "Orphan" is what this entry needs.

--yoshfuji

Re: [2.4 patch] MAINTAINERS: remove LAN media entry

[Horst von Brand]

Marcelo Tosatti <marcelo.tosatti@cyclades.com> said:
> On Sun, 7 Mar 2004, Adrian Bunk wrote:
> 
> > On Sat, Feb 28, 2004 at 11:57:11AM +0100, Daniel Egger wrote:
> > > On Feb 27, 2004, at 9:54 pm, Adrian Bunk wrote:
> > > 
> > > >IOW:
> > > >The entry from MAINTAINER can be removed?
> > > 
> > > This one for sure. The same is probably sensible for the
> > > drivers, too. It's just too confusing to not several
> > > versions of the driver floating around which need different
> > > tools. And since the manufacturer propagates their own
> > > version, the linux one should go...
> > >...
> > 
> > 
> > It's a question whether removing drivers from a stable kernel series is 
> > a good idea, but the following is definitely correct:
> > 
> > 
> > --- linux-2.4.26-pre2-full/MAINTAINERS.old	2004-03-07 16:48:59.000000000 +0100
> > +++ linux-2.4.26-pre2-full/MAINTAINERS	2004-03-07 16:49:09.000000000 +0100
> > @@ -1077,12 +1077,6 @@
> >  W:	http://www.cse.unsw.edu.au/~neilb/oss/knfsd/
> >  S:	Maintained
> >  
> > -LANMEDIA WAN CARD DRIVER
> > -P:      Andrew Stanley-Jones
> > -M:      asj@lanmedia.com
> > -W:      http://www.lanmedia.com/
> > -S:      Supported
> > - 
> >  LAPB module
> >  P:	Henner Eisen
> >  M:	eis@baty.hanse.de
> > 
> 
> I think it might be better to change to
> 
> 
> LANMEDIA WAN CARD DRIVER
> S: UNMAINTAINED
> 
> Thoughts? 

Sounds right to me.
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Re: [2.4 patch] MAINTAINERS: remove LAN media entry

[Adrian Bunk]

On Mon, Mar 08, 2004 at 02:22:36AM -0300, Marcelo Tosatti wrote:
> 
> > It's a question whether removing drivers from a stable kernel series is 
> > a good idea, but the following is definitely correct:
> > 
> > 
> > --- linux-2.4.26-pre2-full/MAINTAINERS.old	2004-03-07 16:48:59.000000000 +0100
> > +++ linux-2.4.26-pre2-full/MAINTAINERS	2004-03-07 16:49:09.000000000 +0100
> > @@ -1077,12 +1077,6 @@
> >  W:	http://www.cse.unsw.edu.au/~neilb/oss/knfsd/
> >  S:	Maintained
> >  
> > -LANMEDIA WAN CARD DRIVER
> > -P:      Andrew Stanley-Jones
> > -M:      asj@lanmedia.com
> > -W:      http://www.lanmedia.com/
> > -S:      Supported
> > - 
> >  LAPB module
> >  P:	Henner Eisen
> >  M:	eis@baty.hanse.de
> > 
> 
> I think it might be better to change to
> 
> 
> LANMEDIA WAN CARD DRIVER
> S: UNMAINTAINED
> 
> Thoughts? 

I discussed this with Sam in the subthread regarding the 2.6 version of 
this patch:
It seems to be the more common practice that non-maintained drivers 
don't have an entry in MAINTAINERS.

cu
Adrian

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