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From: Gabriele Paoloni <gabriele.paoloni@huawei.com>
To: "Rafael J. Wysocki" <rafael@kernel.org>,
	Mika Westerberg <mika.westerberg@linux.intel.com>
Cc: Lorenzo Pieralisi <lorenzo.pieralisi@arm.com>,
	"Rafael J. Wysocki" <rjw@rjwysocki.net>,
	"catalin.marinas@arm.com" <catalin.marinas@arm.com>,
	"will.deacon@arm.com" <will.deacon@arm.com>,
	"robh+dt@kernel.org" <robh+dt@kernel.org>,
	"frowand.list@gmail.com" <frowand.list@gmail.com>,
	"bhelgaas@google.com" <bhelgaas@google.com>,
	"arnd@arndb.de" <arnd@arndb.de>,
	"linux-arm-kernel@lists.infradead.org"
	<linux-arm-kernel@lists.infradead.org>,
	"mark.rutland@arm.com" <mark.rutland@arm.com>,
	"brian.starkey@arm.com" <brian.starkey@arm.com>,
	"olof@lixom.net" <olof@lixom.net>,
	"benh@kernel.crashing.org" <benh@kernel.crashing.org>,
	"linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org" <linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org>,
	"linux-acpi@vger.kernel.org" <linux-acpi@vger.kernel.org>,
	Linuxarm <linuxarm@hua>
Subject: RE: [PATCH v9 5/7] ACPI: Translate the I/O range of non-MMIO devices before scanning
Date: Mon, 19 Jun 2017 09:50:49 +0000	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <EE11001F9E5DDD47B7634E2F8A612F2E40ACFB8D@FRAEML521-MBX.china.huawei.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <CAJZ5v0g+qVui6RU=Hy3c_3qAAWngqaAu6B3JxGOpqF06kitbzA@mail.gmail.com>

Hi Rafael, Mika, Lorenzo

> -----Original Message-----
> From: rjwysocki@gmail.com [mailto:rjwysocki@gmail.com] On Behalf Of
> Rafael J. Wysocki
> Sent: 16 June 2017 13:23
> To: Mika Westerberg
> Cc: Rafael J. Wysocki; Gabriele Paoloni; Lorenzo Pieralisi; Rafael J.
> Wysocki; catalin.marinas@arm.com; will.deacon@arm.com;
> robh+dt@kernel.org; frowand.list@gmail.com; bhelgaas@google.com;
> arnd@arndb.de; linux-arm-kernel@lists.infradead.org;
> mark.rutland@arm.com; brian.starkey@arm.com; olof@lixom.net;
> benh@kernel.crashing.org; linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org; linux-
> acpi@vger.kernel.org; Linuxarm; linux-pci@vger.kernel.org;
> minyard@acm.org; John Garry; xuwei (O)
> Subject: Re: [PATCH v9 5/7] ACPI: Translate the I/O range of non-MMIO
> devices before scanning
> 
> On Fri, Jun 16, 2017 at 2:00 PM, Mika Westerberg
> <mika.westerberg@linux.intel.com> wrote:
> > On Fri, Jun 16, 2017 at 01:24:32PM +0200, Rafael J. Wysocki wrote:
> >> > In fact it may be that it is not sufficient in this case because
> the
> >> > ACPI core might enumerate child devices before the LPC driver even
> gets
> >> > a chance to probe so you would need to add also scan handler to
> the
> >> > child devices and mark them already enumerated or something like
> that.
> >>
> >> Or extend the special I2C/SPI handling to them.
> >
> > Sure but those have I2c/SpiSerialBus() resources which we can use to
> > identify them but for the ipmi thing there is nothing else than _HID
> so
> > we would need to keep a list of such devices in ACPI core.
> 
> OK, so adding a scan handler for that would be the way to go IMO.

Many thanks for your response and your help here.

I guess that as conclusion with respect to the current v9 patchset we can
disregard the idea of MFD and modify the current v9 so that it doesn't
touch directly ACPI resources.
Instead as I proposed before we can have the scan handler to enumerate
the children devices and translate its addresses filling dev->resources[] and
at the same time we can modify acpi_default_enumeration to check
acpi_device_enumerated() before continuing with device enumeration...?

Do you think it as a viable solution?

Thanks
Gab

WARNING: multiple messages have this Message-ID (diff)
From: Gabriele Paoloni <gabriele.paoloni@huawei.com>
To: "Rafael J. Wysocki" <rafael@kernel.org>,
	Mika Westerberg <mika.westerberg@linux.intel.com>
Cc: Lorenzo Pieralisi <lorenzo.pieralisi@arm.com>,
	"Rafael J. Wysocki" <rjw@rjwysocki.net>,
	"catalin.marinas@arm.com" <catalin.marinas@arm.com>,
	"will.deacon@arm.com" <will.deacon@arm.com>,
	"robh+dt@kernel.org" <robh+dt@kernel.org>,
	"frowand.list@gmail.com" <frowand.list@gmail.com>,
	"bhelgaas@google.com" <bhelgaas@google.com>,
	"arnd@arndb.de" <arnd@arndb.de>,
	"linux-arm-kernel@lists.infradead.org" 
	<linux-arm-kernel@lists.infradead.org>,
	"mark.rutland@arm.com" <mark.rutland@arm.com>,
	"brian.starkey@arm.com" <brian.starkey@arm.com>,
	"olof@lixom.net" <olof@lixom.net>,
	"benh@kernel.crashing.org" <benh@kernel.crashing.org>,
	"linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org" <linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org>,
	"linux-acpi@vger.kernel.org" <linux-acpi@vger.kernel.org>,
	Linuxarm <linuxarm@huawei.com>,
	"linux-pci@vger.kernel.org" <linux-pci@vger.kernel.org>,
	"minyard@acm.org" <minyard@acm.org>,
	John Garry <john.garry@huawei.com>,
	"xuwei (O)" <xuwei5@hisilicon.com>
Subject: RE: [PATCH v9 5/7] ACPI: Translate the I/O range of non-MMIO devices before scanning
Date: Mon, 19 Jun 2017 09:50:49 +0000	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <EE11001F9E5DDD47B7634E2F8A612F2E40ACFB8D@FRAEML521-MBX.china.huawei.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <CAJZ5v0g+qVui6RU=Hy3c_3qAAWngqaAu6B3JxGOpqF06kitbzA@mail.gmail.com>

Hi Rafael, Mika, Lorenzo

> -----Original Message-----
> From: rjwysocki@gmail.com [mailto:rjwysocki@gmail.com] On Behalf Of
> Rafael J. Wysocki
> Sent: 16 June 2017 13:23
> To: Mika Westerberg
> Cc: Rafael J. Wysocki; Gabriele Paoloni; Lorenzo Pieralisi; Rafael J.
> Wysocki; catalin.marinas@arm.com; will.deacon@arm.com;
> robh+dt@kernel.org; frowand.list@gmail.com; bhelgaas@google.com;
> arnd@arndb.de; linux-arm-kernel@lists.infradead.org;
> mark.rutland@arm.com; brian.starkey@arm.com; olof@lixom.net;
> benh@kernel.crashing.org; linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org; linux-
> acpi@vger.kernel.org; Linuxarm; linux-pci@vger.kernel.org;
> minyard@acm.org; John Garry; xuwei (O)
> Subject: Re: [PATCH v9 5/7] ACPI: Translate the I/O range of non-MMIO
> devices before scanning
> 
> On Fri, Jun 16, 2017 at 2:00 PM, Mika Westerberg
> <mika.westerberg@linux.intel.com> wrote:
> > On Fri, Jun 16, 2017 at 01:24:32PM +0200, Rafael J. Wysocki wrote:
> >> > In fact it may be that it is not sufficient in this case because
> the
> >> > ACPI core might enumerate child devices before the LPC driver even
> gets
> >> > a chance to probe so you would need to add also scan handler to
> the
> >> > child devices and mark them already enumerated or something like
> that.
> >>
> >> Or extend the special I2C/SPI handling to them.
> >
> > Sure but those have I2c/SpiSerialBus() resources which we can use to
> > identify them but for the ipmi thing there is nothing else than _HID
> so
> > we would need to keep a list of such devices in ACPI core.
> 
> OK, so adding a scan handler for that would be the way to go IMO.

Many thanks for your response and your help here.

I guess that as conclusion with respect to the current v9 patchset we can
disregard the idea of MFD and modify the current v9 so that it doesn't
touch directly ACPI resources.
Instead as I proposed before we can have the scan handler to enumerate
the children devices and translate its addresses filling dev->resources[] and
at the same time we can modify acpi_default_enumeration to check
acpi_device_enumerated() before continuing with device enumeration...?

Do you think it as a viable solution?

Thanks
Gab

WARNING: multiple messages have this Message-ID (diff)
From: Gabriele Paoloni <gabriele.paoloni@huawei.com>
To: "Rafael J. Wysocki" <rafael@kernel.org>,
	Mika Westerberg <mika.westerberg@linux.intel.com>
Cc: Lorenzo Pieralisi <lorenzo.pieralisi@arm.com>,
	"Rafael J. Wysocki" <rjw@rjwysocki.net>,
	"catalin.marinas@arm.com" <catalin.marinas@arm.com>,
	"will.deacon@arm.com" <will.deacon@arm.com>,
	"robh+dt@kernel.org" <robh+dt@kernel.org>,
	"frowand.list@gmail.com" <frowand.list@gmail.com>,
	"bhelgaas@google.com" <bhelgaas@google.com>,
	"arnd@arndb.de" <arnd@arndb.de>,
	"linux-arm-kernel@lists.infradead.org"
	<linux-arm-kernel@lists.infradead.org>,
	"mark.rutland@arm.com" <mark.rutland@arm.com>,
	"brian.starkey@arm.com" <brian.starkey@arm.com>,
	"olof@lixom.net" <olof@lixom.net>,
	"benh@kernel.crashing.org" <benh@kernel.crashing.org>,
	"linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org" <linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org>,
	"linux-acpi@vger.kernel.org" <linux-acpi@vger.kernel.org>,
	Linuxarm <linuxarm@huawei.com>,
	"linux-pci@vger.kernel.org" <linux-pci@vger.kernel.org>,
	"minyard@acm.org" <minyard@acm.org>,
	John Garry <john.garry@huawei.com>,
	"xuwei (O)" <xuwei5@hisilicon.com>
Subject: RE: [PATCH v9 5/7] ACPI: Translate the I/O range of non-MMIO devices before scanning
Date: Mon, 19 Jun 2017 09:50:49 +0000	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <EE11001F9E5DDD47B7634E2F8A612F2E40ACFB8D@FRAEML521-MBX.china.huawei.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <CAJZ5v0g+qVui6RU=Hy3c_3qAAWngqaAu6B3JxGOpqF06kitbzA@mail.gmail.com>

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From: gabriele.paoloni@huawei.com (Gabriele Paoloni)
To: linux-arm-kernel@lists.infradead.org
Subject: [PATCH v9 5/7] ACPI: Translate the I/O range of non-MMIO devices before scanning
Date: Mon, 19 Jun 2017 09:50:49 +0000	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <EE11001F9E5DDD47B7634E2F8A612F2E40ACFB8D@FRAEML521-MBX.china.huawei.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <CAJZ5v0g+qVui6RU=Hy3c_3qAAWngqaAu6B3JxGOpqF06kitbzA@mail.gmail.com>

Hi Rafael, Mika, Lorenzo

> -----Original Message-----
> From: rjwysocki at gmail.com [mailto:rjwysocki at gmail.com] On Behalf Of
> Rafael J. Wysocki
> Sent: 16 June 2017 13:23
> To: Mika Westerberg
> Cc: Rafael J. Wysocki; Gabriele Paoloni; Lorenzo Pieralisi; Rafael J.
> Wysocki; catalin.marinas at arm.com; will.deacon at arm.com;
> robh+dt at kernel.org; frowand.list at gmail.com; bhelgaas at google.com;
> arnd at arndb.de; linux-arm-kernel at lists.infradead.org;
> mark.rutland at arm.com; brian.starkey at arm.com; olof at lixom.net;
> benh at kernel.crashing.org; linux-kernel at vger.kernel.org; linux-
> acpi at vger.kernel.org; Linuxarm; linux-pci at vger.kernel.org;
> minyard at acm.org; John Garry; xuwei (O)
> Subject: Re: [PATCH v9 5/7] ACPI: Translate the I/O range of non-MMIO
> devices before scanning
> 
> On Fri, Jun 16, 2017 at 2:00 PM, Mika Westerberg
> <mika.westerberg@linux.intel.com> wrote:
> > On Fri, Jun 16, 2017 at 01:24:32PM +0200, Rafael J. Wysocki wrote:
> >> > In fact it may be that it is not sufficient in this case because
> the
> >> > ACPI core might enumerate child devices before the LPC driver even
> gets
> >> > a chance to probe so you would need to add also scan handler to
> the
> >> > child devices and mark them already enumerated or something like
> that.
> >>
> >> Or extend the special I2C/SPI handling to them.
> >
> > Sure but those have I2c/SpiSerialBus() resources which we can use to
> > identify them but for the ipmi thing there is nothing else than _HID
> so
> > we would need to keep a list of such devices in ACPI core.
> 
> OK, so adding a scan handler for that would be the way to go IMO.

Many thanks for your response and your help here.

I guess that as conclusion with respect to the current v9 patchset we can
disregard the idea of MFD and modify the current v9 so that it doesn't
touch directly ACPI resources.
Instead as I proposed before we can have the scan handler to enumerate
the children devices and translate its addresses filling dev->resources[] and
at the same time we can modify acpi_default_enumeration to check
acpi_device_enumerated() before continuing with device enumeration...?

Do you think it as a viable solution?

Thanks
Gab

  reply	other threads:[~2017-06-19  9:51 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 171+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2017-05-25 11:37 [PATCH v9 0/7] LPC: legacy ISA I/O support Gabriele Paoloni
2017-05-25 11:37 ` Gabriele Paoloni
2017-05-25 11:37 ` Gabriele Paoloni
2017-05-25 11:37 ` Gabriele Paoloni
2017-05-25 11:37 ` [PATCH v9 1/7] LIB: Introduce a generic PIO mapping method Gabriele Paoloni
2017-05-25 11:37   ` Gabriele Paoloni
2017-05-25 11:37   ` Gabriele Paoloni
2017-05-25 11:37   ` Gabriele Paoloni
2017-05-26 20:57   ` Bjorn Helgaas
2017-05-26 20:57     ` Bjorn Helgaas
2017-05-26 20:57     ` Bjorn Helgaas
2017-05-26 20:57     ` Bjorn Helgaas
2017-05-30 15:09     ` Gabriele Paoloni
2017-05-30 15:09       ` Gabriele Paoloni
2017-05-30 15:09       ` Gabriele Paoloni
2017-05-30 15:09       ` Gabriele Paoloni
2017-05-25 11:37 ` [PATCH v9 2/7] PCI: Apply the new generic I/O management on PCI IO hosts Gabriele Paoloni
2017-05-25 11:37   ` Gabriele Paoloni
2017-05-25 11:37   ` Gabriele Paoloni
2017-05-25 11:37   ` Gabriele Paoloni
2017-05-26 21:20   ` Bjorn Helgaas
2017-05-26 21:20     ` Bjorn Helgaas
2017-05-26 21:20     ` Bjorn Helgaas
2017-05-26 21:20     ` Bjorn Helgaas
2017-05-30  8:12     ` Gabriele Paoloni
2017-05-30  8:12       ` Gabriele Paoloni
2017-05-30  8:12       ` Gabriele Paoloni
2017-05-30  8:12       ` Gabriele Paoloni
2017-05-25 11:37 ` [PATCH v9 3/7] OF: Add missing I/O range exception for indirect-IO devices Gabriele Paoloni
2017-05-25 11:37   ` Gabriele Paoloni
2017-05-25 11:37   ` Gabriele Paoloni
2017-05-25 11:37   ` Gabriele Paoloni
2017-05-25 11:37 ` [PATCH v9 4/7] LPC: Support the device-tree LPC host on Hip06/Hip07 Gabriele Paoloni
2017-05-25 11:37   ` Gabriele Paoloni
2017-05-25 11:37   ` Gabriele Paoloni
2017-05-25 11:37   ` Gabriele Paoloni
2017-05-25 11:37 ` [PATCH v9 5/7] ACPI: Translate the I/O range of non-MMIO devices before scanning Gabriele Paoloni
2017-05-25 11:37   ` Gabriele Paoloni
2017-05-25 11:37   ` Gabriele Paoloni
2017-05-25 11:37   ` Gabriele Paoloni
2017-05-26  0:03   ` kbuild test robot
2017-05-26  0:03     ` kbuild test robot
2017-05-26  0:03     ` kbuild test robot
2017-05-26  0:03     ` kbuild test robot
2017-05-30 13:24   ` Lorenzo Pieralisi
2017-05-30 13:24     ` Lorenzo Pieralisi
2017-05-30 13:24     ` Lorenzo Pieralisi
2017-05-31 10:24     ` Gabriele Paoloni
2017-05-31 10:24       ` Gabriele Paoloni
2017-05-31 10:24       ` Gabriele Paoloni
2017-05-31 10:24       ` Gabriele Paoloni
2017-06-06  8:55       ` Lorenzo Pieralisi
2017-06-06  8:55         ` Lorenzo Pieralisi
2017-06-06  8:55         ` Lorenzo Pieralisi
2017-06-06  8:55         ` Lorenzo Pieralisi
2017-06-12 15:57         ` Lorenzo Pieralisi
2017-06-12 15:57           ` Lorenzo Pieralisi
2017-06-12 15:57           ` Lorenzo Pieralisi
2017-06-12 15:57           ` Lorenzo Pieralisi
2017-06-13  7:24           ` Gabriele Paoloni
2017-06-13  7:24             ` Gabriele Paoloni
2017-06-13  7:24             ` Gabriele Paoloni
2017-06-13  7:24             ` Gabriele Paoloni
2017-06-13  8:48           ` Mika Westerberg
2017-06-13  8:48             ` Mika Westerberg
2017-06-13  8:48             ` Mika Westerberg
2017-06-13  8:48             ` Mika Westerberg
2017-06-13 14:38             ` Gabriele Paoloni
2017-06-13 14:38               ` Gabriele Paoloni
2017-06-13 14:38               ` Gabriele Paoloni
2017-06-13 14:38               ` Gabriele Paoloni
2017-06-13 15:10               ` Mika Westerberg
2017-06-13 15:10                 ` Mika Westerberg
2017-06-13 15:10                 ` Mika Westerberg
2017-06-13 15:10                 ` Mika Westerberg
2017-06-13 19:01                 ` Gabriele Paoloni
2017-06-13 19:01                   ` Gabriele Paoloni
2017-06-13 19:01                   ` Gabriele Paoloni
2017-06-13 19:01                   ` Gabriele Paoloni
2017-06-13 20:03                   ` Mika Westerberg
2017-06-13 20:03                     ` Mika Westerberg
2017-06-13 20:03                     ` Mika Westerberg
2017-06-13 20:03                     ` Mika Westerberg
2017-06-15 18:01                     ` Gabriele Paoloni
2017-06-15 18:01                       ` Gabriele Paoloni
2017-06-15 18:01                       ` Gabriele Paoloni
2017-06-15 18:01                       ` Gabriele Paoloni
2017-06-16  8:33                       ` Mika Westerberg
2017-06-16  8:33                         ` Mika Westerberg
2017-06-16  8:33                         ` Mika Westerberg
2017-06-16  8:33                         ` Mika Westerberg
2017-06-16 11:24                         ` Rafael J. Wysocki
2017-06-16 11:24                           ` Rafael J. Wysocki
2017-06-16 11:24                           ` Rafael J. Wysocki
2017-06-16 11:24                           ` Rafael J. Wysocki
2017-06-16 12:00                           ` Mika Westerberg
2017-06-16 12:00                             ` Mika Westerberg
2017-06-16 12:00                             ` Mika Westerberg
2017-06-16 12:00                             ` Mika Westerberg
2017-06-16 12:22                             ` Rafael J. Wysocki
2017-06-16 12:22                               ` Rafael J. Wysocki
2017-06-16 12:22                               ` Rafael J. Wysocki
2017-06-16 12:22                               ` Rafael J. Wysocki
2017-06-19  9:50                               ` Gabriele Paoloni [this message]
2017-06-19  9:50                                 ` Gabriele Paoloni
2017-06-19  9:50                                 ` Gabriele Paoloni
2017-06-19  9:50                                 ` Gabriele Paoloni
2017-06-19 10:02                                 ` Mika Westerberg
2017-06-19 10:02                                   ` Mika Westerberg
2017-06-19 10:02                                   ` Mika Westerberg
2017-06-19 10:02                                   ` Mika Westerberg
2017-06-19 10:04                                   ` Gabriele Paoloni
2017-06-19 10:04                                     ` Gabriele Paoloni
2017-06-19 10:04                                     ` Gabriele Paoloni
2017-06-19 10:04                                     ` Gabriele Paoloni
2017-07-03 16:08                                     ` Gabriele Paoloni
2017-07-03 16:08                                       ` Gabriele Paoloni
2017-07-03 16:08                                       ` Gabriele Paoloni
2017-07-03 16:08                                       ` Gabriele Paoloni
2017-07-03 16:23                                       ` Gabriele Paoloni
2017-07-03 16:23                                         ` Gabriele Paoloni
2017-07-03 16:23                                         ` Gabriele Paoloni
2017-07-03 16:23                                         ` Gabriele Paoloni
2017-07-03 20:22                                       ` Andy Shevchenko
2017-07-03 20:22                                         ` Andy Shevchenko
2017-07-03 20:22                                         ` Andy Shevchenko
2017-07-03 20:22                                         ` Andy Shevchenko
2017-07-04 15:14                                         ` Gabriele Paoloni
2017-07-04 15:14                                           ` Gabriele Paoloni
2017-07-04 15:14                                           ` Gabriele Paoloni
2017-07-04 15:14                                           ` Gabriele Paoloni
2017-07-04 15:46                                           ` Andy Shevchenko
2017-07-04 15:46                                             ` Andy Shevchenko
2017-07-04 15:46                                             ` Andy Shevchenko
2017-07-04 15:46                                             ` Andy Shevchenko
2017-07-04 16:22                                             ` Gabriele Paoloni
2017-07-04 16:22                                               ` Gabriele Paoloni
2017-07-04 16:22                                               ` Gabriele Paoloni
2017-07-04 16:22                                               ` Gabriele Paoloni
2017-06-29 16:16                           ` John Garry
2017-06-29 16:16                             ` John Garry
2017-06-29 16:16                             ` John Garry
2017-06-29 16:16                             ` John Garry
2017-06-30  9:05                             ` Mika Westerberg
2017-06-30  9:05                               ` Mika Westerberg
2017-06-30  9:05                               ` Mika Westerberg
2017-06-30  9:05                               ` Mika Westerberg
2017-06-30  9:28                               ` John Garry
2017-06-30  9:28                                 ` John Garry
2017-06-30  9:28                                 ` John Garry
2017-06-30  9:28                                 ` John Garry
2017-06-30 12:56                                 ` Rafael J. Wysocki
2017-06-30 12:56                                   ` Rafael J. Wysocki
2017-06-30 12:56                                   ` Rafael J. Wysocki
2017-06-30 12:56                                   ` Rafael J. Wysocki
2017-05-25 11:37 ` [PATCH v9 6/7] LPC: Add the ACPI LPC support Gabriele Paoloni
2017-05-25 11:37   ` Gabriele Paoloni
2017-05-25 11:37   ` Gabriele Paoloni
2017-05-25 11:37   ` Gabriele Paoloni
2017-05-26  3:12   ` kbuild test robot
2017-05-26  3:12     ` kbuild test robot
2017-05-26  3:12     ` kbuild test robot
2017-05-26  3:12     ` kbuild test robot
2017-05-26 10:12     ` Gabriele Paoloni
2017-05-26 10:12       ` Gabriele Paoloni
2017-05-26 10:12       ` Gabriele Paoloni
2017-05-26 10:12       ` Gabriele Paoloni
2017-05-25 11:37 ` [PATCH v9 7/7] MANTAINERS: Add maintainer for HiSilicon LPC driver Gabriele Paoloni
2017-05-25 11:37   ` Gabriele Paoloni
2017-05-25 11:37   ` Gabriele Paoloni
2017-05-25 11:37   ` Gabriele Paoloni

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