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From: Marcel Holtmann <marcel@holtmann.org>
To: Johan Hovold <johan@kernel.org>
Cc: Sebastian Reichel <sebastian.reichel@collabora.co.uk>,
	Greg Kroah-Hartman <gregkh@linuxfoundation.org>,
	Rob Herring <robh+dt@kernel.org>,
	Mark Rutland <mark.rutland@arm.com>,
	Andreas Kemnade <andreas@kemnade.info>,
	Arnd Bergmann <arnd@arndb.de>,
	"H . Nikolaus Schaller" <hns@goldelico.com>,
	Pavel Machek <pavel@ucw.cz>, LKML <linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org>,
	devicetree@vger.kernel.org
Subject: Re: [PATCH 0/7] gnss: add new GNSS subsystem
Date: Mon, 7 May 2018 21:06:44 +0200	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <FA27606D-AB12-4D62-8EBD-3CC6F0900AF7@holtmann.org> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <20180507102056.GU2285@localhost>

Hi Johan,

>>> This series adds a new subsystem for GNSS receivers (e.g. GPS
>>> receivers).
>>> 
>>> While GNSS receivers are typically accessed using a UART interface they
>>> often also support other I/O interfaces such as I2C, SPI and USB, while
>>> yet other devices use iomem or even some form of remote-processor
>>> messaging (rpmsg).
>>> 
>>> The new GNSS subsystem abstracts the underlying interface and provides a
>>> new "gnss" class type, which exposes a character-device interface (e.g.
>>> /dev/gnss0) to user space. This allows GNSS receivers to have a
>>> representation in the Linux device model, something which is important
>>> not least for power management purposes and which also allows for easy
>>> detection and (eventually) identification of GNSS devices.
>>> 
>>> Note that the character-device interface provides raw access to whatever
>>> protocol the receiver is (currently) using, such as NMEA 0183, UBX or
>>> SiRF Binary. These protocols are expected to be continued to be handled
>>> by user space for the time being, even if some hybrid solutions are also
>>> conceivable (e.g. to have kernel drivers issue management commands).
> 
>> Great work. I like your design decisions. I have quite a few devices
>> with have non-serial based GPS peripherals using binary protocols (*).
>> As far as I can see it should be possible to add support for those.
> 
> Thanks! Yeah, the aim here was to abstract the actual I/O interface
> used.
> 
>> I have one concern, though. While providing raw data by
>> default is fine generally, it is a problem with device
>> auto-discovery. I think there should be some IOCTL from
>> the start, that can be used to inform userspace about
>> the raw protocol being used (i.e. "NMEA"). I fear, that
>> userspace may start to just assume raw = NMEA without
>> having this (especially since all initial drivers provide
>> NMEA).
> 
> One problem I see here would be that the driver does not necessarily
> know either what protocol is currently being used. Some devices have
> boot-pins which can be used to configure the initial protocol used (and
> this could perhaps be reflected in DT), but this can often later be
> changed (by user space) and even be made persistent using battery-backed
> ram or eeproms.
> 
> Also note that at least u-blox devices supports having more than one
> protocol active on the same port...

as long as userspace can determine that it is GNSS hardware and what hardware it is, then you deal with the rest in userspace.

Regards

Marcel

  reply	other threads:[~2018-05-07 19:06 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 86+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2018-04-24 16:34 [PATCH 0/7] gnss: add new GNSS subsystem Johan Hovold
2018-04-24 16:34 ` [PATCH 1/7] gnss: add GNSS receiver subsystem Johan Hovold
2018-04-25  8:56   ` Greg Kroah-Hartman
2018-04-25 10:56     ` Johan Hovold
2018-04-25 12:23       ` Johan Hovold
2018-04-29 13:35         ` Greg Kroah-Hartman
2018-05-02  7:57           ` Johan Hovold
2018-04-24 16:34 ` [PATCH 2/7] dt-bindings: add generic gnss binding Johan Hovold
2018-04-25 18:26   ` Rob Herring
2018-04-24 16:34 ` [PATCH 3/7] gnss: add generic serial driver Johan Hovold
2018-04-25  8:57   ` Greg Kroah-Hartman
2018-04-25 10:58     ` Johan Hovold
2018-04-25  9:00   ` Greg Kroah-Hartman
2018-04-25 11:05     ` Johan Hovold
2018-04-24 16:34 ` [PATCH 4/7] dt-bindings: gnss: add u-blox binding Johan Hovold
2018-04-25 18:16   ` Rob Herring
2018-04-26  9:10     ` Johan Hovold
2018-05-01 14:05       ` Rob Herring
2018-05-02  8:16         ` Johan Hovold
2018-05-02 13:16           ` Rob Herring
2018-05-07  9:06             ` Johan Hovold
2018-05-03  9:35           ` H. Nikolaus Schaller
2018-05-03 18:50             ` Andreas Kemnade
2018-05-04  5:16               ` H. Nikolaus Schaller
2018-05-04 11:42                 ` Sebastian Reichel
2018-05-04 12:04                   ` H. Nikolaus Schaller
2018-05-04 13:37                     ` Sebastian Reichel
2018-05-04 14:29                       ` Tony Lindgren
2018-05-07 10:07                     ` Johan Hovold
2018-05-07 10:01                   ` Johan Hovold
2018-05-07 15:45                     ` Tony Lindgren
2018-05-07 16:34                       ` Johan Hovold
2018-05-07 17:50                         ` Tony Lindgren
2018-05-08  6:58                           ` Johan Hovold
2018-05-08 15:22                             ` Tony Lindgren
2018-05-08 15:47                               ` Tony Lindgren
2018-05-08 15:54                                 ` Tony Lindgren
2018-05-08 16:49                                   ` Tony Lindgren
2018-05-09 13:10                                     ` OMAP serial runtime PM and autosuspend (was: Re: [PATCH 4/7] dt-bindings: gnss: add u-blox binding)) Johan Hovold
2018-05-09 13:57                                       ` Tony Lindgren
2018-05-17 10:09                                         ` Johan Hovold
2018-05-17 17:10                                           ` Tony Lindgren
2018-05-21 13:48                                             ` Johan Hovold
2018-05-21 15:48                                               ` Tony Lindgren
2018-05-24  9:17                                                 ` Johan Hovold
2018-05-24 13:32                                                   ` Tony Lindgren
2018-05-25 14:02                                                     ` Johan Hovold
2018-05-08 15:56                         ` [PATCH 4/7] dt-bindings: gnss: add u-blox binding Sebastian Reichel
2018-05-09  9:18                           ` Serdev runtime PM (was: Re: [PATCH 4/7] dt-bindings: gnss: add u-blox binding) Johan Hovold
2018-05-09  9:49                             ` Johan Hovold
2018-05-09 14:05                             ` Tony Lindgren
2018-05-17 10:25                               ` Johan Hovold
2018-05-07  9:47             ` [PATCH 4/7] dt-bindings: gnss: add u-blox binding Johan Hovold
2018-04-24 16:34 ` [PATCH 5/7] gnss: add driver for u-blox receivers Johan Hovold
2018-04-24 16:34 ` [PATCH 6/7] dt-bindings: gnss: add sirfstar binding Johan Hovold
2018-04-25 18:25   ` Rob Herring
2018-04-26  9:12     ` Johan Hovold
2018-04-24 16:34 ` [PATCH 7/7] gnss: add driver for sirfstar-based receivers Johan Hovold
2018-04-24 17:40 ` [PATCH 0/7] gnss: add new GNSS subsystem H. Nikolaus Schaller
2018-04-24 17:50   ` Johan Hovold
2018-04-24 19:44     ` H. Nikolaus Schaller
2018-04-25  8:11       ` Johan Hovold
2018-04-26 10:10         ` H. Nikolaus Schaller
2018-04-26 18:21           ` Johan Hovold
2018-04-24 20:13 ` Pavel Machek
2018-04-24 20:59   ` Andreas Kemnade
2018-04-25  7:32     ` Johan Hovold
2018-04-25  6:49   ` Marcel Holtmann
2018-04-25  7:24   ` Johan Hovold
2018-04-24 20:38 ` Pavel Machek
2018-04-25  6:26 ` Pavel Machek
2018-04-25  6:51   ` Johan Hovold
2018-04-25  8:48 ` Greg Kroah-Hartman
2018-04-25 10:31   ` Johan Hovold
2018-05-04 13:27 ` Sebastian Reichel
2018-05-04 20:03   ` Pavel Machek
2018-05-05 17:28     ` Sebastian Reichel
2018-05-05 21:11       ` Pavel Machek
2018-05-06  6:47         ` Marcel Holtmann
2018-05-07 10:20   ` Johan Hovold
2018-05-07 19:06     ` Marcel Holtmann [this message]
2018-05-08  7:01       ` Johan Hovold
2018-05-08  7:49         ` Marcel Holtmann
2018-05-08 12:48           ` Johan Hovold
2018-05-08 20:03             ` Marcel Holtmann
2018-05-30 10:26               ` Johan Hovold

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