[U-Boot-Users] Wind River visionProbe II

[U-Boot-Users] Wind River visionProbe II

[Ryan Pipkin]

Wind River visionPROBE II
I received one of these units for xscale in an eval kit.  They offered a 
30 day trial period for the software but we never took them up on it.  
We purchased the bdi2000 and have been happy.  Can I do anything with 
this hardware without their software?  Has anyone been able to use it to 
program flash?  I would hate to throw it away, but it seems to be useless.

    Thanks.

>  
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[U-Boot-Users] Wind River visionProbe II

[Joe Hamman]

Unfortunately, no.  The logic in the device is SRAM-based and
proprietary.  If it were a cheap "bit-wiggler", there might be a
possibility.

Regards,
Joe


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From: u-boot-users-admin@lists.sourceforge.net
[mailto:u-boot-users-admin at lists.sourceforge.net]On Behalf Of Ryan
Pipkin
Sent: Tuesday, January 13, 2004 8:40 AM
To: u-boot-users at lists.sourceforge.net
Subject: [U-Boot-Users] Wind River visionProbe II


Wind River visionPROBE II
I received one of these units for xscale in an eval kit.  They offered a
30 day trial period for the software but we never took them up on it.
We purchased the bdi2000 and have been happy.  Can I do anything with
this hardware without their software?  Has anyone been able to use it to
program flash?  I would hate to throw it away, but it seems to be
useless.

    Thanks.

>
>




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[U-Boot-Users] Wind River visionProbe II

[Wolfgang Denk]

In message <IBEKKAEMFNGMMNNIBFEMMEMNCLAA.joe.hamman@embeddedspecialties.com> you wrote:
> He'd be selling a paperweight.  The visionPROBE II hardware contains an
> encrypted license key.  His is expired.  The only way to reactivate it
...

Can you please stop the thread now? I think everybody understood what
all this means.


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[U-Boot-Users] Wind River visionProbe II

[Joe Hamman]

He'd be selling a paperweight.  The visionPROBE II hardware contains an
encrypted license key.  His is expired.  The only way to reactivate it
is to get a new key from Wind River ($$$).

-----Original Message-----
From: u-boot-users-admin@lists.sourceforge.net
[mailto:u-boot-users-admin at lists.sourceforge.net]On Behalf Of VanBaren,
Gerald (AGRE)
Sent: Wednesday, January 14, 2004 7:21 AM
To: u-boot-users at lists.sourceforge.net
Subject: RE: [U-Boot-Users] Wind River visionProbe II



He doesn't have software, only the hardware.  He would be selling the
hardware (the visionICE pod itself), not the software.  The visionICE
pod is useless without the software -- presumably the buyer would
already own a valid copy of the software.

gvb


> -----Original Message-----
> From: Richard Danter [mailto:richard.danter at ntlworld.com]
> Sent: Wednesday, January 14, 2004 4:06 AM
> To: VanBaren, Gerald (AGRE)
> Cc: u-boot-users at lists.sourceforge.net
> Subject: Re: [U-Boot-Users] Wind River visionProbe II
>
>
> VanBaren, Gerald (AGRE) wrote:
> > My suggestion: sell it on eBay as a spare.  If someone is
> using a visionIce, it is nice to have backup hardware in case
> one goes <poof>.
>
> Unfortunately selling it on eBay would be a contravention of the
> software license. Don't do it!
>
> Rich
>
>
>
> >
> > gvb
> >
> >
> >
> >>-----Original Message-----
> >>From: u-boot-users-admin at lists.sourceforge.net
> >>[mailto:u-boot-users-admin at lists.sourceforge.net]On Behalf Of
> >>Joe Hamman
> >>Sent: Tuesday, January 13, 2004 5:12 PM
> >>To: Ryan Pipkin; u-boot-users at lists.sourceforge.net
> >>Subject: RE: [U-Boot-Users] Wind River visionProbe II
> >>
> >>
> >>Unfortunately, no.  The logic in the device is SRAM-based and
> >>proprietary.  If it were a cheap "bit-wiggler", there might be a
> >>possibility.
> >>
> >>Regards,
> >>Joe
> >>
> >>
> >>-----Original Message-----
> >>From: u-boot-users-admin at lists.sourceforge.net
> >>[mailto:u-boot-users-admin at lists.sourceforge.net]On Behalf Of Ryan
> >>Pipkin
> >>Sent: Tuesday, January 13, 2004 8:40 AM
> >>To: u-boot-users at lists.sourceforge.net
> >>Subject: [U-Boot-Users] Wind River visionProbe II
> >>
> >>
> >>Wind River visionPROBE II
> >>I received one of these units for xscale in an eval kit.
> >>They offered a
> >>30 day trial period for the software but we never took them
> up on it.
> >>We purchased the bdi2000 and have been happy.  Can I do
> anything with
> >>this hardware without their software?  Has anyone been able
> >>to use it to
> >>program flash?  I would hate to throw it away, but it seems to be
> >>useless.
> >>
> >>    Thanks.
> >>
> >>
> >>>
> >>
> >>
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[U-Boot-Users] Wind River visionProbe II

[VanBaren, Gerald]

He doesn't have software, only the hardware.  He would be selling the hardware (the visionICE pod itself), not the software.  The visionICE pod is useless without the software -- presumably the buyer would already own a valid copy of the software.

gvb


> -----Original Message-----
> From: Richard Danter [mailto:richard.danter at ntlworld.com]
> Sent: Wednesday, January 14, 2004 4:06 AM
> To: VanBaren, Gerald (AGRE)
> Cc: u-boot-users at lists.sourceforge.net
> Subject: Re: [U-Boot-Users] Wind River visionProbe II
> 
> 
> VanBaren, Gerald (AGRE) wrote:
> > My suggestion: sell it on eBay as a spare.  If someone is 
> using a visionIce, it is nice to have backup hardware in case 
> one goes <poof>.
> 
> Unfortunately selling it on eBay would be a contravention of the 
> software license. Don't do it!
> 
> Rich
> 
> 
> 
> > 
> > gvb
> > 
> > 
> > 
> >>-----Original Message-----
> >>From: u-boot-users-admin at lists.sourceforge.net
> >>[mailto:u-boot-users-admin at lists.sourceforge.net]On Behalf Of 
> >>Joe Hamman
> >>Sent: Tuesday, January 13, 2004 5:12 PM
> >>To: Ryan Pipkin; u-boot-users at lists.sourceforge.net
> >>Subject: RE: [U-Boot-Users] Wind River visionProbe II
> >>
> >>
> >>Unfortunately, no.  The logic in the device is SRAM-based and
> >>proprietary.  If it were a cheap "bit-wiggler", there might be a
> >>possibility.
> >>
> >>Regards,
> >>Joe
> >>
> >>
> >>-----Original Message-----
> >>From: u-boot-users-admin at lists.sourceforge.net
> >>[mailto:u-boot-users-admin at lists.sourceforge.net]On Behalf Of Ryan
> >>Pipkin
> >>Sent: Tuesday, January 13, 2004 8:40 AM
> >>To: u-boot-users at lists.sourceforge.net
> >>Subject: [U-Boot-Users] Wind River visionProbe II
> >>
> >>
> >>Wind River visionPROBE II
> >>I received one of these units for xscale in an eval kit.  
> >>They offered a
> >>30 day trial period for the software but we never took them 
> up on it.
> >>We purchased the bdi2000 and have been happy.  Can I do 
> anything with
> >>this hardware without their software?  Has anyone been able 
> >>to use it to
> >>program flash?  I would hate to throw it away, but it seems to be
> >>useless.
> >>
> >>    Thanks.
> >>
> >>
> >>>
> >>
> >>
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[U-Boot-Users] Wind River visionProbe II

[Richard Danter]

Anders Larsen wrote:
> Richard Danter <richard.danter@ntlworld.com> schreibt:
> 
>>VanBaren, Gerald (AGRE) wrote:
>>
>>>My suggestion: sell it on eBay as a spare.  If someone is using a
>>
>>visionIce, it is nice to have backup hardware in case one goes <poof>.
>>
>>Unfortunately selling it on eBay would be a contravention of the 
>>software license. Don't do it!
> 
> 
> IANAL, but I guess Ryan isn't bound by any software license, since he
> only has the VisionICE _hardware_ to sell...

There is software running on the vICE/vProbe, so you don't have to be 
selling the debugger GUI (vClick) to break the non-transferrable part of 
the license.

Even if that were not the case, it would not be very fair on the 
unfortunate person who bought the probe. Since WR track every probe by 
it's serial number, the buyer would be unable to get a real license.

So they would have paid money for something they can not use.

Guess it is a moral decision then - do you sell something you know the 
buyer will be unable to use??

R

[U-Boot-Users] Wind River visionProbe II

[Anders Larsen]

Richard Danter <richard.danter@ntlworld.com> schreibt:
>VanBaren, Gerald (AGRE) wrote:
>> My suggestion: sell it on eBay as a spare.  If someone is using a
>visionIce, it is nice to have backup hardware in case one goes <poof>.
>
>Unfortunately selling it on eBay would be a contravention of the 
>software license. Don't do it!

IANAL, but I guess Ryan isn't bound by any software license, since he
only has the VisionICE _hardware_ to sell...

Cheers
 Anders

BTW: Please do NOT quote the entire post when replying, ONLY the part(s)
you're responding to - you'd improve readability and avoid clogging the
list archives with quotes of quoted disclaimers and similar noise!

[U-Boot-Users] Wind River visionProbe II

[Richard Danter]

VanBaren, Gerald (AGRE) wrote:
> My suggestion: sell it on eBay as a spare.  If someone is using a visionIce, it is nice to have backup hardware in case one goes <poof>.

Unfortunately selling it on eBay would be a contravention of the 
software license. Don't do it!

Rich



> 
> gvb
> 
> 
> 
>>-----Original Message-----
>>From: u-boot-users-admin at lists.sourceforge.net
>>[mailto:u-boot-users-admin at lists.sourceforge.net]On Behalf Of 
>>Joe Hamman
>>Sent: Tuesday, January 13, 2004 5:12 PM
>>To: Ryan Pipkin; u-boot-users at lists.sourceforge.net
>>Subject: RE: [U-Boot-Users] Wind River visionProbe II
>>
>>
>>Unfortunately, no.  The logic in the device is SRAM-based and
>>proprietary.  If it were a cheap "bit-wiggler", there might be a
>>possibility.
>>
>>Regards,
>>Joe
>>
>>
>>-----Original Message-----
>>From: u-boot-users-admin at lists.sourceforge.net
>>[mailto:u-boot-users-admin at lists.sourceforge.net]On Behalf Of Ryan
>>Pipkin
>>Sent: Tuesday, January 13, 2004 8:40 AM
>>To: u-boot-users at lists.sourceforge.net
>>Subject: [U-Boot-Users] Wind River visionProbe II
>>
>>
>>Wind River visionPROBE II
>>I received one of these units for xscale in an eval kit.  
>>They offered a
>>30 day trial period for the software but we never took them up on it.
>>We purchased the bdi2000 and have been happy.  Can I do anything with
>>this hardware without their software?  Has anyone been able 
>>to use it to
>>program flash?  I would hate to throw it away, but it seems to be
>>useless.
>>
>>    Thanks.
>>
>>
>>>
>>
>>
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[U-Boot-Users] Wind River visionProbe II

[VanBaren, Gerald]

My suggestion: sell it on eBay as a spare.  If someone is using a visionIce, it is nice to have backup hardware in case one goes <poof>.

gvb


> -----Original Message-----
> From: u-boot-users-admin at lists.sourceforge.net
> [mailto:u-boot-users-admin at lists.sourceforge.net]On Behalf Of 
> Joe Hamman
> Sent: Tuesday, January 13, 2004 5:12 PM
> To: Ryan Pipkin; u-boot-users at lists.sourceforge.net
> Subject: RE: [U-Boot-Users] Wind River visionProbe II
> 
> 
> Unfortunately, no.  The logic in the device is SRAM-based and
> proprietary.  If it were a cheap "bit-wiggler", there might be a
> possibility.
> 
> Regards,
> Joe
> 
> 
> -----Original Message-----
> From: u-boot-users-admin at lists.sourceforge.net
> [mailto:u-boot-users-admin at lists.sourceforge.net]On Behalf Of Ryan
> Pipkin
> Sent: Tuesday, January 13, 2004 8:40 AM
> To: u-boot-users at lists.sourceforge.net
> Subject: [U-Boot-Users] Wind River visionProbe II
> 
> 
> Wind River visionPROBE II
> I received one of these units for xscale in an eval kit.  
> They offered a
> 30 day trial period for the software but we never took them up on it.
> We purchased the bdi2000 and have been happy.  Can I do anything with
> this hardware without their software?  Has anyone been able 
> to use it to
> program flash?  I would hate to throw it away, but it seems to be
> useless.
> 
>     Thanks.
> 
> >
> >
> 
> 
> 
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