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From: Davide Libenzi <davidel@xmailserver.org>
To: Mike Galbraith <efault@gmx.de>
Cc: Valdis.Kletnieks@vt.edu,
	linux kernel mailing list <linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org>
Subject: Re: [PATCH] O6int for interactivity
Date: Fri, 18 Jul 2003 13:38:10 -0700 (PDT)	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <Pine.LNX.4.55.0307181333520.5608@bigblue.dev.mcafeelabs.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <5.2.1.1.2.20030718221052.01a88eb8@pop.gmx.net>

On Fri, 18 Jul 2003, Mike Galbraith wrote:

> >I'm sorry to say that guys, but I'm afraid it's what we have to do. We did
> >not think about it when this scheduler was dropped inside 2.5 sadly. The
> >interactivity concept is based on the fact that a particular class of
> >tasks characterized by certain sleep->burn patterns are never expired and
> >eventually, only oscillate between two (pretty high) priorities. Without
> >applying a global CPU throttle for interactive tasks, you can create a
> >small set of processes (like irman does) that hit the coded sleep->burn
> >pattern and that make everything is running with priority lower than the
> >lower of the two of the oscillation range, to almost completely starve.
> >Controlled unfairness would mean throttling the CPU time we reserve to
> >interactive tasks so that we always reserve a minimum time to non
> >interactive processes.
>
> I'd like to find a way to prevent that instead.  There's got to be a way.

Remember that this is computer science, that is, for every problem there
"at least" one solution ;)



> It's easy to prevent irman type things from starving others permanently (i
> call this active starvation, or wakeup starvation), and this does something
> fairly similar to what you're talking about.  Just crawl down the queue
> heads looking for the oldest task periodically instead of always taking the
> highest queue.  You can do that very fast, and it does prevent active
> starvation.

Everything that will make the scheduler to say "ok, I gave enough time to
interactive tasks, now I'm really going to spin one from the masses" will
work. Having a clean solution would not be an option here.




- Davide


  reply	other threads:[~2003-07-18 20:34 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 44+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2003-07-16 14:30 [PATCH] O6int for interactivity Con Kolivas
2003-07-16 15:22 ` Felipe Alfaro Solana
2003-07-16 19:55   ` Marc-Christian Petersen
2003-07-16 17:08 ` Valdis.Kletnieks
2003-07-16 21:59 ` Wiktor Wodecki
2003-07-16 22:30   ` Con Kolivas
2003-07-16 22:12 ` Davide Libenzi
2003-07-17  0:33   ` Con Kolivas
2003-07-17  0:35     ` Davide Libenzi
2003-07-17  1:12       ` Con Kolivas
2003-07-17  0:48     ` Wade
2003-07-17  1:15       ` Con Kolivas
2003-07-17  1:27         ` Eugene Teo
2003-07-17  3:05 ` Wes Janzen
2003-07-17  9:05 ` Alex Riesen
2003-07-17  9:14   ` Con Kolivas
2003-07-18  7:38     ` Alex Riesen
     [not found]       ` <Pine.LNX.4.44.0307251628500.26172-300000@localhost.localdomain>
2003-07-25 19:40         ` Alex Riesen
     [not found] ` <Pine.LNX.4.55.0307161241280.4787@bigblue.dev.mcafeelabs.co m>
2003-07-18  5:38   ` Mike Galbraith
2003-07-18  6:34     ` Nick Piggin
2003-07-18 10:18       ` Mike Galbraith
2003-07-18 10:31         ` Wiktor Wodecki
2003-07-18 10:43           ` Con Kolivas
2003-07-18 11:34             ` Wiktor Wodecki
2003-07-18 11:38               ` Nick Piggin
2003-07-19 10:59                 ` Wiktor Wodecki
2003-07-18 15:46           ` Mike Galbraith
2003-07-18 16:52             ` Davide Libenzi
2003-07-18 17:05               ` Davide Libenzi
2003-07-18 17:39                 ` Valdis.Kletnieks
2003-07-18 19:31                   ` Davide Libenzi
     [not found]                 ` <Pine.LNX.4.55.0307181038450.5608@bigblue.dev.mcafeelabs.co m>
2003-07-18 20:31                   ` Mike Galbraith
2003-07-18 20:38                     ` Davide Libenzi [this message]
     [not found]                 ` <Pine.LNX.4.55.0307181333520.5608@bigblue.dev.mcafeelabs.co m>
2003-07-19 17:04                   ` Mike Galbraith
2003-07-21  0:21                     ` Davide Libenzi
     [not found]                 ` <Pine.LNX.4.55.0307201715130.3548@bigblue.dev.mcafeelabs.co m>
2003-07-21  5:36                   ` Mike Galbraith
2003-07-21 12:39                   ` [NOTAPATCH] " Mike Galbraith
2003-07-21 17:13                     ` Mike Galbraith
2003-07-18 14:24         ` Con Kolivas
2003-07-18 15:50           ` Mike Galbraith
2003-07-18 13:46     ` Davide Libenzi
     [not found] ` <Pine.LNX.4.55.0307180630450.5077@bigblue.dev.mcafeelabs.co m>
2003-07-18 15:41   ` Mike Galbraith
     [not found] ` <Pine.LNX.4.55.0307180951050.5608@bigblue.dev.mcafeelabs.co m>
2003-07-18 18:49   ` Mike Galbraith
2003-07-16 20:20 Shane Shrybman

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