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From: Davide Libenzi <davidel@xmailserver.org>
To: Linus Torvalds <torvalds@linux-foundation.org>
Cc: Zach Brown <zach.brown@oracle.com>,
	Linux Kernel Mailing List <linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org>,
	linux-aio@kvack.org, Suparna Bhattacharya <suparna@in.ibm.com>,
	Benjamin LaHaise <bcrl@kvack.org>, Ingo Molnar <mingo@elte.hu>
Subject: Re: [PATCH 0 of 4] Generic AIO by scheduling stacks
Date: Sat, 10 Feb 2007 10:45:28 -0800 (PST)	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <Pine.LNX.4.64.0702101034220.11630@alien.or.mcafeemobile.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <Pine.LNX.4.64.0702091519330.8424@woody.linux-foundation.org>

On Fri, 9 Feb 2007, Linus Torvalds wrote:

> > Another, even simpler way IMO, is to just have a plain per-task kthread 
> > pool, and a queue.
> 
> Yes, that is actually quite doable with basically the same interface. It's 
> literally a "small decision" inside of "schedule_async()" on how it 
> actually would want to handle the case of "hey, we now have concurrent 
> work to be done".

For the queue approach, I meant the async_submit() to simply add the 
request (cookie, syscall number and params) inside queue, and not trying 
to execute the syscall. Once you're inside schedule, "stuff" has already 
partially happened, and you cannot have the same request re-initiated by a 
different thread.



> But I actually don't think a per-task kthread pool is necessarily a good 
> idea. If a thread pool works for this, then it should have worked for 
> regular thread create/destroy loads too - ie there really is little reason 
> to special-case the "async system call" case.

A per-process thread pool already has things correctly inherited, so we 
don't need to add special "adopt" routines for things like "files" and such.



> NOTE! I'm also not at all sure that we actually want to waste real threads 
> on this. My patch is in no way meant to be an "exclusive alternative" to 
> fibrils. Quite the reverse, actually: I _like_ those synchronous fibrils, 
> but I didn't like how Zach did the overhead of creating them up-front, 
> because I really would like the cached case to be totally *synchronous*.

I'm not advocating threads against fibrils. The use of threads may make 
things easier under certain POVs (less ad-hoc changes into mainline). The 
ideal would be to have a look at both and see Pros&Cons under different 
POVs (performance, code impact, etc..).



- Davide



  reply	other threads:[~2007-02-10 18:45 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 151+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2007-01-30 20:39 [PATCH 0 of 4] Generic AIO by scheduling stacks Zach Brown
2007-01-30 20:39 ` [PATCH 1 of 4] Introduce per_call_chain() Zach Brown
2007-01-30 20:39 ` [PATCH 2 of 4] Introduce i386 fibril scheduling Zach Brown
2007-02-01  8:36   ` Ingo Molnar
2007-02-01 13:02     ` Ingo Molnar
2007-02-01 13:19       ` Christoph Hellwig
2007-02-01 13:52         ` Ingo Molnar
2007-02-01 17:13           ` Mark Lord
2007-02-01 18:02             ` Ingo Molnar
2007-02-02 13:23         ` Andi Kleen
2007-02-01 21:52       ` Zach Brown
2007-02-01 22:23         ` Benjamin LaHaise
2007-02-01 22:37           ` Zach Brown
2007-02-02 13:22       ` Andi Kleen
2007-02-01 20:07     ` Linus Torvalds
2007-02-02 10:49       ` Ingo Molnar
2007-02-02 15:56         ` Linus Torvalds
2007-02-02 19:59           ` Alan
2007-02-02 20:14             ` Linus Torvalds
2007-02-02 20:58               ` Davide Libenzi
2007-02-02 21:09                 ` Linus Torvalds
2007-02-02 21:30               ` Alan
2007-02-02 21:30                 ` Linus Torvalds
2007-02-02 22:42                   ` Ingo Molnar
2007-02-02 23:01                     ` Linus Torvalds
2007-02-02 23:17                       ` Linus Torvalds
2007-02-03  0:04                         ` Alan
2007-02-03  0:23                         ` bert hubert
2007-02-02 22:48                   ` Alan
2007-02-05 16:44             ` Zach Brown
2007-02-02 22:21           ` Ingo Molnar
2007-02-02 22:49             ` Linus Torvalds
2007-02-02 23:55               ` Ingo Molnar
2007-02-03  0:56                 ` Linus Torvalds
2007-02-03  7:15                   ` Suparna Bhattacharya
2007-02-03  8:23                   ` Ingo Molnar
2007-02-03  9:25                     ` Matt Mackall
2007-02-03 10:03                       ` Ingo Molnar
2007-02-05 17:44                     ` Zach Brown
2007-02-05 19:26                       ` Davide Libenzi
2007-02-05 19:41                         ` Zach Brown
2007-02-05 20:10                           ` Davide Libenzi
2007-02-05 20:21                             ` Zach Brown
2007-02-05 20:42                               ` Linus Torvalds
2007-02-05 20:39                             ` Linus Torvalds
2007-02-05 21:09                               ` Davide Libenzi
2007-02-05 21:31                                 ` Kent Overstreet
2007-02-06 20:25                                   ` Davide Libenzi
2007-02-06 20:46                                   ` Linus Torvalds
2007-02-06 21:16                                     ` David Miller
2007-02-06 21:28                                       ` Linus Torvalds
2007-02-06 21:31                                         ` David Miller
2007-02-06 21:46                                           ` Eric Dumazet
2007-02-06 21:50                                           ` Linus Torvalds
2007-02-06 22:28                                             ` Zach Brown
2007-02-06 22:45                                     ` Kent Overstreet
2007-02-06 23:04                                       ` Linus Torvalds
2007-02-07  1:22                                         ` Kent Overstreet
2007-02-06 23:23                                       ` Davide Libenzi
2007-02-06 23:39                                         ` Joel Becker
2007-02-06 23:56                                           ` Davide Libenzi
2007-02-07  0:06                                             ` Joel Becker
2007-02-07  0:23                                               ` Davide Libenzi
2007-02-07  0:44                                                 ` Joel Becker
2007-02-07  1:15                                                   ` Davide Libenzi
2007-02-07  1:24                                                     ` Kent Overstreet
2007-02-07  1:30                                                     ` Joel Becker
2007-02-07  6:16                                                   ` Michael K. Edwards
2007-02-07  9:17                                                     ` Michael K. Edwards
2007-02-07  9:37                                                       ` Michael K. Edwards
2007-02-06  0:32                                 ` Davide Libenzi
2007-02-05 21:21                               ` Zach Brown
2007-02-02 23:37             ` Davide Libenzi
2007-02-03  0:02               ` Davide Libenzi
2007-02-05 17:12               ` Zach Brown
2007-02-05 18:24                 ` Davide Libenzi
2007-02-05 21:44                   ` David Miller
2007-02-06  0:15                     ` Davide Libenzi
2007-02-05 21:36               ` bert hubert
2007-02-05 21:57                 ` Linus Torvalds
2007-02-05 22:07                   ` bert hubert
2007-02-05 22:15                     ` Zach Brown
2007-02-05 22:34                   ` Davide Libenzi
2007-02-06  0:27                   ` Scot McKinley
2007-02-06  0:48                     ` David Miller
2007-02-06  0:48                     ` Joel Becker
2007-02-05 17:02             ` Zach Brown
2007-02-05 18:52               ` Davide Libenzi
2007-02-05 19:20                 ` Zach Brown
2007-02-05 19:38                   ` Davide Libenzi
2007-02-04  5:12   ` Davide Libenzi
2007-02-05 17:54     ` Zach Brown
2007-01-30 20:39 ` [PATCH 3 of 4] Teach paths to wake a specific void * target instead of a whole task_struct Zach Brown
2007-01-30 20:39 ` [PATCH 4 of 4] Introduce aio system call submission and completion system calls Zach Brown
2007-01-31  8:58   ` Andi Kleen
2007-01-31 17:15     ` Zach Brown
2007-01-31 17:21       ` Andi Kleen
2007-01-31 19:23         ` Zach Brown
2007-02-01 11:13           ` Suparna Bhattacharya
2007-02-01 19:50             ` Trond Myklebust
2007-02-02  7:19               ` Suparna Bhattacharya
2007-02-02  7:45                 ` Andi Kleen
2007-02-01 22:18             ` Zach Brown
2007-02-02  3:35               ` Suparna Bhattacharya
2007-02-01 20:26   ` bert hubert
2007-02-01 21:29     ` Zach Brown
2007-02-02  7:12       ` bert hubert
2007-02-04  5:12   ` Davide Libenzi
2007-01-30 21:58 ` [PATCH 0 of 4] Generic AIO by scheduling stacks Linus Torvalds
2007-01-30 22:23   ` Linus Torvalds
2007-01-30 22:53     ` Zach Brown
2007-01-30 22:40   ` Zach Brown
2007-01-30 22:53     ` Linus Torvalds
2007-01-30 23:45       ` Zach Brown
2007-01-31  2:07         ` Benjamin Herrenschmidt
2007-01-31  2:04 ` Benjamin Herrenschmidt
2007-01-31  2:46   ` Linus Torvalds
2007-01-31  3:02     ` Linus Torvalds
2007-01-31 10:50       ` Xavier Bestel
2007-01-31 19:28         ` Zach Brown
2007-01-31 17:59       ` Zach Brown
2007-01-31  5:16     ` Benjamin Herrenschmidt
2007-01-31  5:36     ` Nick Piggin
2007-01-31  5:51       ` Nick Piggin
2007-01-31  6:06       ` Linus Torvalds
2007-01-31  8:43         ` Ingo Molnar
2007-01-31 20:13         ` Joel Becker
2007-01-31 18:20       ` Zach Brown
2007-01-31 17:47     ` Zach Brown
2007-01-31 17:38   ` Zach Brown
2007-01-31 17:51     ` Benjamin LaHaise
2007-01-31 19:25       ` Zach Brown
2007-01-31 20:05         ` Benjamin LaHaise
2007-01-31 20:41           ` Zach Brown
2007-02-04  5:13 ` Davide Libenzi
2007-02-04 20:00   ` Davide Libenzi
2007-02-09 22:33 ` Linus Torvalds
2007-02-09 23:11   ` Davide Libenzi
2007-02-09 23:35     ` Linus Torvalds
2007-02-10 18:45       ` Davide Libenzi [this message]
2007-02-10 19:01         ` Linus Torvalds
2007-02-10 19:35           ` Linus Torvalds
2007-02-10 20:59           ` Davide Libenzi
2007-02-10  0:04   ` Eric Dumazet
2007-02-10  0:12     ` Linus Torvalds
2007-02-10  0:34       ` Alan
2007-02-10 10:47   ` bert hubert
2007-02-10 18:19     ` Davide Libenzi
2007-02-11  0:56   ` David Miller
2007-02-11  2:49     ` Linus Torvalds
2007-02-14 16:42       ` James Antill

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