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From: Guennadi Liakhovetski <g.liakhovetski@gmx.de>
To: Arnd Bergmann <arnd@arndb.de>
Cc: linux-mmc@vger.kernel.org, devicetree-discuss@lists.ozlabs.org,
	linux-sh@vger.kernel.org, Magnus Damm <magnus.damm@gmail.com>,
	Simon Horman <horms@verge.net.au>,
	Russell King - ARM Linux <linux@arm.linux.org.uk>
Subject: Re: [PATCH v4 13/13] mmc: tmio: add barriers to IO operations
Date: Mon, 18 Feb 2013 17:20:26 +0000	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <Pine.LNX.4.64.1302181808510.4526@axis700.grange> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <201302181634.02751.arnd@arndb.de>

On Mon, 18 Feb 2013, Arnd Bergmann wrote:

> On Monday 18 February 2013, Guennadi Liakhovetski wrote:
> > > Also, should the barrier not be after the MMIO read, rather than before it?
> > > Typically the barrier should ensure that any read from memory after an
> > > MMIO read reflects the memory contents after any DMA is complete that
> > > the MMIO read has already claimed to be done.
> > 
> > Errors, that I've been observing were happening with no DMA, in pure PIO 
> > mode.
> > 
> > Unfortunately, I don't have a good explanation, why the barriers have to 
> > be there, where I put them. At some point during my testing, I had 
> > printk()s in the code and SDIO worked. Then the classical - remove 
> > printk()s - stops working. Delays didn't halp, but barriers did. The 
> > motivation to put a write barrier before a (repeated) read was to wait for 
> > completion of any write operations before starting a read. And indeed, 
> > normal write operations, like writew() / iowrite16() have a write barrier 
> > before the write. So, isn't it possible, that the last write hasn't 
> > completed yet, while we begin with reading? But reads / writes should, 
> > probably, anyway be serialised on the bus...
> 
> What kind of bus is this?

Sorry, I'm not sure how best to describe it, and I don't have sufficient 
information myself. In any case on a block-diagram of sh73a0 SDHI devices 
aren't directly connected to a common super-highway bus, instead they are 
on a bus-splitter. One more thing I forgot to mention - this error has 
been observed on SMP.

> All buses I have looked at do serialize reads
> and writes to the same address at the minimum, and all sane buses
> serialize them when they happen to the same device, but it's harder
> to do when you need to serialize e.g. a read with a previous write
> to another device or another bus connected to the same device.
> 
> Let me try to say what I understand from reading the code: These
> accessors are only used on one function, and there is no DMA
> involved here. The function does (simplified):
> 
> void tmio_mmc_pio_irq(struct page *, void __iomem *io, size_t count, bool read)
> {
> 	void *virt;
> 
> 	/* called from interrupt handler, but let's disable interrupts some more ;) */
> 	local_irq_disable();
> 
> 	/* if highmem, map the page */
> 	virt = kmap_atomic(page);
> 	if (read) {
> 		wmb();
> 		readsw(io, virt, count);
> 	} else {
> 		writesw(io, virt, count);
> 		rmb();
> 	}
> 
> 	kunmap_atomic(virt);
> }
> 
> I don't think there is any other I/O involved, so the barriers are probably
> needed to synchronize with whoever is accessing the page on the other
> side of the kmap/kunmap. Did the bug happen on highmem?

No, don't think highmem was involved.

> The barriers here should probably be outside of the I/O accessors
> and in the tmio_mmc_pio_irq() function, but I still can't explain
> why they are needed here.
> 
> > It's also possible, that these errors are related to runtime 
> > power-management, which would involve IO to other SoC peripherals. But 
> > they all should also contain barriers, so, this doesn't explain it 
> > immediately either.
> 
> Maybe the runtime-pm code uses __raw_writel or writel_relaxed where it
> should be using writel?

I checked clock code under drivers/sh/clk, I don't see any relevant 
__raw_* operations there. One I do see, however, GIC code does use 
*_relaxed() accessors, but under raw spinlocks... Do those provide 
sufficient barriers?

Thanks
Guennadi

> Or maybe there some effect with disabling the caches and not flushing
> them properly in advance here?
> 
> In any case, I would expect a much more specific changeset text for a
> patch like this.
> 
> 	Arnd
> 

---
Guennadi Liakhovetski, Ph.D.
Freelance Open-Source Software Developer
http://www.open-technology.de/

WARNING: multiple messages have this Message-ID (diff)
From: Guennadi Liakhovetski <g.liakhovetski@gmx.de>
To: Arnd Bergmann <arnd@arndb.de>
Cc: linux-mmc@vger.kernel.org, devicetree-discuss@lists.ozlabs.org,
	linux-sh@vger.kernel.org, Magnus Damm <magnus.damm@gmail.com>,
	Simon Horman <horms@verge.net.au>,
	Russell King - ARM Linux <linux@arm.linux.org.uk>
Subject: Re: [PATCH v4 13/13] mmc: tmio: add barriers to IO operations
Date: Mon, 18 Feb 2013 18:20:26 +0100 (CET)	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <Pine.LNX.4.64.1302181808510.4526@axis700.grange> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <201302181634.02751.arnd@arndb.de>

On Mon, 18 Feb 2013, Arnd Bergmann wrote:

> On Monday 18 February 2013, Guennadi Liakhovetski wrote:
> > > Also, should the barrier not be after the MMIO read, rather than before it?
> > > Typically the barrier should ensure that any read from memory after an
> > > MMIO read reflects the memory contents after any DMA is complete that
> > > the MMIO read has already claimed to be done.
> > 
> > Errors, that I've been observing were happening with no DMA, in pure PIO 
> > mode.
> > 
> > Unfortunately, I don't have a good explanation, why the barriers have to 
> > be there, where I put them. At some point during my testing, I had 
> > printk()s in the code and SDIO worked. Then the classical - remove 
> > printk()s - stops working. Delays didn't halp, but barriers did. The 
> > motivation to put a write barrier before a (repeated) read was to wait for 
> > completion of any write operations before starting a read. And indeed, 
> > normal write operations, like writew() / iowrite16() have a write barrier 
> > before the write. So, isn't it possible, that the last write hasn't 
> > completed yet, while we begin with reading? But reads / writes should, 
> > probably, anyway be serialised on the bus...
> 
> What kind of bus is this?

Sorry, I'm not sure how best to describe it, and I don't have sufficient 
information myself. In any case on a block-diagram of sh73a0 SDHI devices 
aren't directly connected to a common super-highway bus, instead they are 
on a bus-splitter. One more thing I forgot to mention - this error has 
been observed on SMP.

> All buses I have looked at do serialize reads
> and writes to the same address at the minimum, and all sane buses
> serialize them when they happen to the same device, but it's harder
> to do when you need to serialize e.g. a read with a previous write
> to another device or another bus connected to the same device.
> 
> Let me try to say what I understand from reading the code: These
> accessors are only used on one function, and there is no DMA
> involved here. The function does (simplified):
> 
> void tmio_mmc_pio_irq(struct page *, void __iomem *io, size_t count, bool read)
> {
> 	void *virt;
> 
> 	/* called from interrupt handler, but let's disable interrupts some more ;) */
> 	local_irq_disable();
> 
> 	/* if highmem, map the page */
> 	virt = kmap_atomic(page);
> 	if (read) {
> 		wmb();
> 		readsw(io, virt, count);
> 	} else {
> 		writesw(io, virt, count);
> 		rmb();
> 	}
> 
> 	kunmap_atomic(virt);
> }
> 
> I don't think there is any other I/O involved, so the barriers are probably
> needed to synchronize with whoever is accessing the page on the other
> side of the kmap/kunmap. Did the bug happen on highmem?

No, don't think highmem was involved.

> The barriers here should probably be outside of the I/O accessors
> and in the tmio_mmc_pio_irq() function, but I still can't explain
> why they are needed here.
> 
> > It's also possible, that these errors are related to runtime 
> > power-management, which would involve IO to other SoC peripherals. But 
> > they all should also contain barriers, so, this doesn't explain it 
> > immediately either.
> 
> Maybe the runtime-pm code uses __raw_writel or writel_relaxed where it
> should be using writel?

I checked clock code under drivers/sh/clk, I don't see any relevant 
__raw_* operations there. One I do see, however, GIC code does use 
*_relaxed() accessors, but under raw spinlocks... Do those provide 
sufficient barriers?

Thanks
Guennadi

> Or maybe there some effect with disabling the caches and not flushing
> them properly in advance here?
> 
> In any case, I would expect a much more specific changeset text for a
> patch like this.
> 
> 	Arnd
> 

---
Guennadi Liakhovetski, Ph.D.
Freelance Open-Source Software Developer
http://www.open-technology.de/

  reply	other threads:[~2013-02-18 17:20 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 71+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2013-02-15 15:13 [PATCH v4 00/13] mmc: core and driver DT and related development Guennadi Liakhovetski
2013-02-15 15:13 ` Guennadi Liakhovetski
2013-02-15 15:13 ` [PATCH v4 01/13] mmc: sdhi, tmio: only check flags in tmio-mmc driver proper Guennadi Liakhovetski
2013-02-15 15:13   ` Guennadi Liakhovetski
2013-02-15 15:13 ` [PATCH v4 02/13] mmc: detailed definition of CD and WP MMC line polarities in DT Guennadi Liakhovetski
2013-02-15 15:13   ` Guennadi Liakhovetski
2013-02-15 15:13 ` [PATCH v4 03/13] mmc: provide a standard MMC device-tree binding parser centrally Guennadi Liakhovetski
2013-02-15 15:13   ` Guennadi Liakhovetski
2013-02-16  6:05   ` Simon Horman
2013-02-16  6:05     ` Simon Horman
2013-02-16 10:54     ` Arnd Bergmann
2013-02-16 11:41       ` Simon Horman
2013-02-16 11:41         ` Simon Horman
2013-02-16 14:02       ` Guennadi Liakhovetski
2013-02-16 14:02         ` Guennadi Liakhovetski
2013-02-16 15:21   ` [PATCH v5 " Guennadi Liakhovetski
2013-02-16 15:21     ` Guennadi Liakhovetski
2013-02-16 16:58     ` Sascha Hauer
2013-02-16 16:58       ` Sascha Hauer
2013-02-17  7:52       ` Simon Horman
2013-02-17  7:52         ` Simon Horman
2013-02-17  7:58         ` Simon Horman
2013-02-17  7:58           ` Simon Horman
2013-02-18  8:54           ` Guennadi Liakhovetski
2013-02-18  8:54             ` Guennadi Liakhovetski
2013-02-15 15:13 ` [PATCH v4 04/13] mmc: (cosmetic) remove "extern" from function declarations Guennadi Liakhovetski
2013-02-15 15:13   ` Guennadi Liakhovetski
2013-02-15 15:13 ` [PATCH v4 05/13] mmc: sh-mmcif: use mmc_of_parse() to parse standard MMC DT bindings Guennadi Liakhovetski
2013-02-15 15:13   ` Guennadi Liakhovetski
2013-02-15 15:13 ` [PATCH v4 06/13] mmc: tmio-mmc: define device-tree bindings Guennadi Liakhovetski
2013-02-15 15:13   ` Guennadi Liakhovetski
2013-02-15 15:13 ` [PATCH v4 07/13] mmc: tmio-mmc: parse " Guennadi Liakhovetski
2013-02-15 15:13   ` Guennadi Liakhovetski
2013-02-15 15:13 ` [PATCH v4 08/13] mmc: sh_mobile_sdhi: remove unused .pdata field Guennadi Liakhovetski
2013-02-15 15:13   ` Guennadi Liakhovetski
2013-02-15 15:13 ` [PATCH v4 09/13] mmc: sh_mobile_sdhi: use managed resource allocations Guennadi Liakhovetski
2013-02-15 15:13   ` Guennadi Liakhovetski
2013-02-15 15:13 ` [PATCH v4 10/13] mmc: tmio: remove unused and deprecated symbols Guennadi Liakhovetski
2013-02-15 15:13   ` Guennadi Liakhovetski
2013-02-15 15:14 ` [PATCH v4 11/13] mmc: tmio: add support for the VccQ regulator Guennadi Liakhovetski
2013-02-15 15:14   ` Guennadi Liakhovetski
2013-02-15 15:14 ` [PATCH v4 12/13] mmc: add DT bindings for more MMC capability flags Guennadi Liakhovetski
2013-02-15 15:14   ` Guennadi Liakhovetski
2013-02-16 22:58   ` Sergei Shtylyov
2013-02-16 23:58     ` Sergei Shtylyov
     [not found]     ` <51201D32.20006-M4DtvfQ/ZS1MRgGoP+s0PdBPR1lH4CV8@public.gmane.org>
2013-02-18  8:52       ` Guennadi Liakhovetski
2013-02-18  8:52         ` Guennadi Liakhovetski
2013-06-06  1:55   ` Olof Johansson
2013-06-06  1:55     ` Olof Johansson
2013-02-15 15:14 ` [PATCH v4 13/13] mmc: tmio: add barriers to IO operations Guennadi Liakhovetski
2013-02-15 15:14   ` Guennadi Liakhovetski
2013-02-18 15:05   ` Arnd Bergmann
2013-02-18 15:56     ` Guennadi Liakhovetski
2013-02-18 15:56       ` Guennadi Liakhovetski
2013-02-18 16:34       ` Arnd Bergmann
2013-02-18 17:20         ` Guennadi Liakhovetski [this message]
2013-02-18 17:20           ` Guennadi Liakhovetski
2013-02-18 22:11           ` Arnd Bergmann
     [not found]             ` <201302182211.46697.arnd-r2nGTMty4D4@public.gmane.org>
2013-02-19 21:59               ` Guennadi Liakhovetski
2013-02-19 21:59                 ` Guennadi Liakhovetski
2013-02-16  2:26 ` [PATCH v4 00/13] mmc: core and driver DT and related development Simon Horman
2013-02-16  2:26   ` Simon Horman
2013-02-18 13:15 ` Chris Ball
2013-02-18 13:15   ` Chris Ball
2013-02-19 21:57   ` Guennadi Liakhovetski
2013-02-19 21:57     ` Guennadi Liakhovetski
2013-02-19 22:00     ` Chris Ball
2013-02-19 22:00       ` Chris Ball
2013-02-18 14:52 ` Arnd Bergmann
2013-02-19 19:20 ` Stephen Warren
2013-02-19 19:20   ` Stephen Warren

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