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From: Mark Brown <broonie@kernel.org>
To: Dmitry Torokhov <dmitry.torokhov@gmail.com>
Cc: alsa-devel@alsa-project.org, Liam Girdwood <lgirdwood@gmail.com>,
	linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org
Subject: Re: [PATCH 01/11] ASoC: ak5386: switch to using gpiod API
Date: Thu, 17 Nov 2022 11:34:06 +0000	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <Y3YcLulaebidYYsg@sirena.org.uk> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <Y3U1BJAPOJTLw/Zb@google.com>

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On Wed, Nov 16, 2022 at 11:07:48AM -0800, Dmitry Torokhov wrote:
> On Wed, Nov 16, 2022 at 10:36:27AM +0000, Mark Brown wrote:

> > How are we ensuring that people have described signals as active
> > low/high in existing DTs, and are we positive that the signal is
> > described as active low for all devices?  In particular if the
> > signal is described as a reset signal then it's active high even
> > if we want it low while the device is actually in use.

> I have been going through in-kernel DTSes and adjusting ones that are
> incorrect. For external ones I think we should take a pragmatic approach
> and say that if driver has last non-mechanical update in 2014 and there
> are no users submitted to mainline since then (as this one), then it is
> highly unlikely that devices currently using this component/codec will
> be updated to the 6.2+ kernel even if they are still in service. And if
> this does happen the breakage will be immediately obvious as we'll keep
> the codec in reset state.

> But if you really want to I can add quirk(s) to gpiolib forcing this
> line to be treated as active-low regardless of what specified in DTS.
> This kind of negates benefit of going to gpiod though.

That doesn't address the bit about checking that the device
describes the signal as active low in hardware - it's assuming
that the signal is described by the device as an active low
reset and not for example as a shutdown signal.

TBH I'm not thrilled about just randomly breaking ABI
compatibility for neatness reasons, it's really not helping
people take device tree ABI compatibility seriously.

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From: Mark Brown <broonie@kernel.org>
To: Dmitry Torokhov <dmitry.torokhov@gmail.com>
Cc: Liam Girdwood <lgirdwood@gmail.com>,
	linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org, alsa-devel@alsa-project.org
Subject: Re: [PATCH 01/11] ASoC: ak5386: switch to using gpiod API
Date: Thu, 17 Nov 2022 11:34:06 +0000	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <Y3YcLulaebidYYsg@sirena.org.uk> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <Y3U1BJAPOJTLw/Zb@google.com>

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On Wed, Nov 16, 2022 at 11:07:48AM -0800, Dmitry Torokhov wrote:
> On Wed, Nov 16, 2022 at 10:36:27AM +0000, Mark Brown wrote:

> > How are we ensuring that people have described signals as active
> > low/high in existing DTs, and are we positive that the signal is
> > described as active low for all devices?  In particular if the
> > signal is described as a reset signal then it's active high even
> > if we want it low while the device is actually in use.

> I have been going through in-kernel DTSes and adjusting ones that are
> incorrect. For external ones I think we should take a pragmatic approach
> and say that if driver has last non-mechanical update in 2014 and there
> are no users submitted to mainline since then (as this one), then it is
> highly unlikely that devices currently using this component/codec will
> be updated to the 6.2+ kernel even if they are still in service. And if
> this does happen the breakage will be immediately obvious as we'll keep
> the codec in reset state.

> But if you really want to I can add quirk(s) to gpiolib forcing this
> line to be treated as active-low regardless of what specified in DTS.
> This kind of negates benefit of going to gpiod though.

That doesn't address the bit about checking that the device
describes the signal as active low in hardware - it's assuming
that the signal is described by the device as an active low
reset and not for example as a shutdown signal.

TBH I'm not thrilled about just randomly breaking ABI
compatibility for neatness reasons, it's really not helping
people take device tree ABI compatibility seriously.

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  reply	other threads:[~2022-11-17 11:35 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 33+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2022-11-16  5:38 [PATCH 01/11] ASoC: ak5386: switch to using gpiod API Dmitry Torokhov
2022-11-16  5:38 ` Dmitry Torokhov
2022-11-16  5:38 ` [PATCH 02/11] ASoC: max98373: " Dmitry Torokhov
2022-11-16  5:38   ` Dmitry Torokhov
2022-11-16  5:38 ` [PATCH 03/11] ASoC: tas5086: " Dmitry Torokhov
2022-11-16  5:38   ` Dmitry Torokhov
2022-11-16  5:38 ` [PATCH 04/11] ASoC: tpa6130a2: remove support for platform data Dmitry Torokhov
2022-11-16  5:38   ` Dmitry Torokhov
2022-11-16  5:38 ` [PATCH 05/11] ASoC: tpa6130a2: switch to using gpiod API Dmitry Torokhov
2022-11-16  5:38   ` Dmitry Torokhov
2022-11-16  5:38 ` [PATCH 06/11] ASoC: tlv320aic32x4: remove support for platform data Dmitry Torokhov
2022-11-16  5:38   ` Dmitry Torokhov
2022-11-16  5:38 ` [PATCH 07/11] ASoC: tlv320aic32x4: switch to using gpiod API Dmitry Torokhov
2022-11-16  5:38   ` Dmitry Torokhov
2022-11-16  5:38 ` [PATCH 08/11] ASoC: dt-bindings: wcd9335: fix reset line polarity in example Dmitry Torokhov
2022-11-16  5:38   ` Dmitry Torokhov
2022-11-16  5:38 ` [PATCH 09/11] ASoC: wcd9335: switch to using gpiod API Dmitry Torokhov
2022-11-16  5:38   ` Dmitry Torokhov
2022-11-16  5:38 ` [PATCH 10/11] ASoC: dt-bindings: wcd938x: fix codec reset line polarity in example Dmitry Torokhov
2022-11-16  5:38   ` Dmitry Torokhov
2022-11-16  5:38 ` [PATCH 11/11] ASoC: wcd938x: switch to using gpiod API Dmitry Torokhov
2022-11-16  5:38   ` Dmitry Torokhov
2023-03-08 18:11   ` Krzysztof Kozlowski
2022-11-16 10:36 ` [PATCH 01/11] ASoC: ak5386: " Mark Brown
2022-11-16 10:36   ` Mark Brown
2022-11-16 19:07   ` Dmitry Torokhov
2022-11-16 19:07     ` Dmitry Torokhov
2022-11-17 11:34     ` Mark Brown [this message]
2022-11-17 11:34       ` Mark Brown
2022-11-18  6:31       ` Dmitry Torokhov
2022-11-18  6:31         ` Dmitry Torokhov
2022-11-18 13:12         ` Mark Brown
2022-11-18 13:12           ` Mark Brown

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