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From: Paul Kocialkowski <paul.kocialkowski@bootlin.com>
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	Ezequiel Garcia <ezequiel@vanguardiasur.com.ar>,
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Subject: Re: [PATCH v5 02/16] phy: Distinguish between Rx and Tx for MIPI D-PHY with submodes
Date: Wed, 26 May 2021 16:24:00 +0200	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <YK5aAL6ciI92ruHs@aptenodytes> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <20210115200141.1397785-3-paul.kocialkowski@bootlin.com>

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Hi everyone,

On Fri 15 Jan 21, 21:01, Paul Kocialkowski wrote:
> As some D-PHY controllers support both Rx and Tx mode, we need a way for
> users to explicitly request one or the other. For instance, Rx mode can
> be used along with MIPI CSI-2 while Tx mode can be used with MIPI DSI.
> 
> Introduce new MIPI D-PHY PHY submodes to use with PHY_MODE_MIPI_DPHY.
> The default (zero value) is kept to Tx so only the rkisp1 driver, which
> uses D-PHY in Rx mode, needs to be adapted.

I think it was Laurent who brought up on IRC that using a submode is probably
not a correct way to distinguish between Rx and Tx modes.

Thinking about it again, it feels like selecting the direction at run-time
would only be relevant if there's D-PHY hardware than can do both Tx and Rx
*and* that can be muxed to either a MIPI DSI and a CSI-2 controller at
run-time.

For the Allwinner case, the D-PHY is the same hardware for both but there will
be one instance attached to each controller, not a single shared instance.
It feels rather unlikely that a device with both MIPI DSI and CSI-2 would only
have one PHY for the two as this wouldn't allow concurrent use of the two
controllers. Even in a case where there'd be n controllers and m < n
bi-directional PHYs, it feels safe to assume that a static attribution would
be sufficient.
 
As a result it feels more relevant to have this distinction in device-tree
rather than via the PHY API.

What do you think?
Any suggestion on how this should be represented in device-tree?

Cheers,

Paul

> Signed-off-by: Paul Kocialkowski <paul.kocialkowski@bootlin.com>
> Acked-by: Helen Koike <helen.koike@collabora.com>
> ---
>  drivers/media/platform/rockchip/rkisp1/rkisp1-isp.c |  3 ++-
>  include/linux/phy/phy-mipi-dphy.h                   | 13 +++++++++++++
>  2 files changed, 15 insertions(+), 1 deletion(-)
> 
> diff --git a/drivers/media/platform/rockchip/rkisp1/rkisp1-isp.c b/drivers/media/platform/rockchip/rkisp1/rkisp1-isp.c
> index 2e5b57e3aedc..cab261644102 100644
> --- a/drivers/media/platform/rockchip/rkisp1/rkisp1-isp.c
> +++ b/drivers/media/platform/rockchip/rkisp1/rkisp1-isp.c
> @@ -948,7 +948,8 @@ static int rkisp1_mipi_csi2_start(struct rkisp1_isp *isp,
>  
>  	phy_mipi_dphy_get_default_config(pixel_clock, isp->sink_fmt->bus_width,
>  					 sensor->lanes, cfg);
> -	phy_set_mode(sensor->dphy, PHY_MODE_MIPI_DPHY);
> +	phy_set_mode_ext(cdev->dphy, PHY_MODE_MIPI_DPHY,
> +			 PHY_MIPI_DPHY_SUBMODE_RX);
>  	phy_configure(sensor->dphy, &opts);
>  	phy_power_on(sensor->dphy);
>  
> diff --git a/include/linux/phy/phy-mipi-dphy.h b/include/linux/phy/phy-mipi-dphy.h
> index a877ffee845d..0f57ef46a8b5 100644
> --- a/include/linux/phy/phy-mipi-dphy.h
> +++ b/include/linux/phy/phy-mipi-dphy.h
> @@ -6,6 +6,19 @@
>  #ifndef __PHY_MIPI_DPHY_H_
>  #define __PHY_MIPI_DPHY_H_
>  
> +/**
> + * enum phy_mipi_dphy_submode - MIPI D-PHY sub-mode
> + *
> + * A MIPI D-PHY can be used to transmit or receive data.
> + * Since some controllers can support both, the direction to enable is specified
> + * with the PHY sub-mode. Transmit is assumed by default with phy_set_mode.
> + */
> +
> +enum phy_mipi_dphy_submode {
> +	PHY_MIPI_DPHY_SUBMODE_TX = 0,
> +	PHY_MIPI_DPHY_SUBMODE_RX,
> +};
> +
>  /**
>   * struct phy_configure_opts_mipi_dphy - MIPI D-PHY configuration set
>   *
> -- 
> 2.30.0
> 

-- 
Paul Kocialkowski, Bootlin
Embedded Linux and kernel engineering
https://bootlin.com

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From: Paul Kocialkowski <paul.kocialkowski@bootlin.com>
To: linux-media@vger.kernel.org, devicetree@vger.kernel.org,
	linux-arm-kernel@lists.infradead.org,
	linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org, linux-doc@vger.kernel.org,
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	Dafna Hirschfeld <dafna.hirschfeld@collabora.com>,
	Philipp Zabel <p.zabel@pengutronix.de>,
	Jonathan Corbet <corbet@lwn.net>,
	Thomas Petazzoni <thomas.petazzoni@bootlin.com>,
	Greg Kroah-Hartman <gregkh@linuxfoundation.org>,
	Helen Koike <helen.koike@collabora.com>,
	Vinod Koul <vkoul@kernel.org>, Maxime Ripard <mripard@kernel.org>,
	Kishon Vijay Abraham I <kishon@ti.com>,
	Chen-Yu Tsai <wens@csie.org>, Rob Herring <robh+dt@kernel.org>,
	Hans Verkuil <hans.verkuil@cisco.com>,
	Ezequiel Garcia <ezequiel@vanguardiasur.com.ar>,
	Yong Deng <yong.deng@magewell.com>,
	Sakari Ailus <sakari.ailus@linux.intel.com>,
	Mauro Carvalho Chehab <mchehab@kernel.org>,
	kevin.lhopital@hotmail.com,
	Laurent Pinchart <laurent.pinchart@ideasonboard.com>
Subject: Re: [PATCH v5 02/16] phy: Distinguish between Rx and Tx for MIPI D-PHY with submodes
Date: Wed, 26 May 2021 16:24:00 +0200	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <YK5aAL6ciI92ruHs@aptenodytes> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <20210115200141.1397785-3-paul.kocialkowski@bootlin.com>


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Hi everyone,

On Fri 15 Jan 21, 21:01, Paul Kocialkowski wrote:
> As some D-PHY controllers support both Rx and Tx mode, we need a way for
> users to explicitly request one or the other. For instance, Rx mode can
> be used along with MIPI CSI-2 while Tx mode can be used with MIPI DSI.
> 
> Introduce new MIPI D-PHY PHY submodes to use with PHY_MODE_MIPI_DPHY.
> The default (zero value) is kept to Tx so only the rkisp1 driver, which
> uses D-PHY in Rx mode, needs to be adapted.

I think it was Laurent who brought up on IRC that using a submode is probably
not a correct way to distinguish between Rx and Tx modes.

Thinking about it again, it feels like selecting the direction at run-time
would only be relevant if there's D-PHY hardware than can do both Tx and Rx
*and* that can be muxed to either a MIPI DSI and a CSI-2 controller at
run-time.

For the Allwinner case, the D-PHY is the same hardware for both but there will
be one instance attached to each controller, not a single shared instance.
It feels rather unlikely that a device with both MIPI DSI and CSI-2 would only
have one PHY for the two as this wouldn't allow concurrent use of the two
controllers. Even in a case where there'd be n controllers and m < n
bi-directional PHYs, it feels safe to assume that a static attribution would
be sufficient.
 
As a result it feels more relevant to have this distinction in device-tree
rather than via the PHY API.

What do you think?
Any suggestion on how this should be represented in device-tree?

Cheers,

Paul

> Signed-off-by: Paul Kocialkowski <paul.kocialkowski@bootlin.com>
> Acked-by: Helen Koike <helen.koike@collabora.com>
> ---
>  drivers/media/platform/rockchip/rkisp1/rkisp1-isp.c |  3 ++-
>  include/linux/phy/phy-mipi-dphy.h                   | 13 +++++++++++++
>  2 files changed, 15 insertions(+), 1 deletion(-)
> 
> diff --git a/drivers/media/platform/rockchip/rkisp1/rkisp1-isp.c b/drivers/media/platform/rockchip/rkisp1/rkisp1-isp.c
> index 2e5b57e3aedc..cab261644102 100644
> --- a/drivers/media/platform/rockchip/rkisp1/rkisp1-isp.c
> +++ b/drivers/media/platform/rockchip/rkisp1/rkisp1-isp.c
> @@ -948,7 +948,8 @@ static int rkisp1_mipi_csi2_start(struct rkisp1_isp *isp,
>  
>  	phy_mipi_dphy_get_default_config(pixel_clock, isp->sink_fmt->bus_width,
>  					 sensor->lanes, cfg);
> -	phy_set_mode(sensor->dphy, PHY_MODE_MIPI_DPHY);
> +	phy_set_mode_ext(cdev->dphy, PHY_MODE_MIPI_DPHY,
> +			 PHY_MIPI_DPHY_SUBMODE_RX);
>  	phy_configure(sensor->dphy, &opts);
>  	phy_power_on(sensor->dphy);
>  
> diff --git a/include/linux/phy/phy-mipi-dphy.h b/include/linux/phy/phy-mipi-dphy.h
> index a877ffee845d..0f57ef46a8b5 100644
> --- a/include/linux/phy/phy-mipi-dphy.h
> +++ b/include/linux/phy/phy-mipi-dphy.h
> @@ -6,6 +6,19 @@
>  #ifndef __PHY_MIPI_DPHY_H_
>  #define __PHY_MIPI_DPHY_H_
>  
> +/**
> + * enum phy_mipi_dphy_submode - MIPI D-PHY sub-mode
> + *
> + * A MIPI D-PHY can be used to transmit or receive data.
> + * Since some controllers can support both, the direction to enable is specified
> + * with the PHY sub-mode. Transmit is assumed by default with phy_set_mode.
> + */
> +
> +enum phy_mipi_dphy_submode {
> +	PHY_MIPI_DPHY_SUBMODE_TX = 0,
> +	PHY_MIPI_DPHY_SUBMODE_RX,
> +};
> +
>  /**
>   * struct phy_configure_opts_mipi_dphy - MIPI D-PHY configuration set
>   *
> -- 
> 2.30.0
> 

-- 
Paul Kocialkowski, Bootlin
Embedded Linux and kernel engineering
https://bootlin.com

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From: Paul Kocialkowski <paul.kocialkowski@bootlin.com>
To: linux-media@vger.kernel.org, devicetree@vger.kernel.org,
	linux-arm-kernel@lists.infradead.org,
	linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org, linux-doc@vger.kernel.org,
	devel@driverdev.osuosl.org, linux-sunxi@googlegroups.com
Cc: Yong Deng <yong.deng@magewell.com>,
	Mauro Carvalho Chehab <mchehab@kernel.org>,
	Rob Herring <robh+dt@kernel.org>,
	Maxime Ripard <mripard@kernel.org>, Chen-Yu Tsai <wens@csie.org>,
	Jernej Skrabec <jernej.skrabec@siol.net>,
	Jonathan Corbet <corbet@lwn.net>,
	Kishon Vijay Abraham I <kishon@ti.com>,
	Vinod Koul <vkoul@kernel.org>,
	Helen Koike <helen.koike@collabora.com>,
	Dafna Hirschfeld <dafna.hirschfeld@collabora.com>,
	Greg Kroah-Hartman <gregkh@linuxfoundation.org>,
	Philipp Zabel <p.zabel@pengutronix.de>,
	Sakari Ailus <sakari.ailus@linux.intel.com>,
	Hans Verkuil <hans.verkuil@cisco.com>,
	Thomas Petazzoni <thomas.petazzoni@bootlin.com>,
	kevin.lhopital@hotmail.com,
	Ezequiel Garcia <ezequiel@vanguardiasur.com.ar>,
	Laurent Pinchart <laurent.pinchart@ideasonboard.com>
Subject: Re: [PATCH v5 02/16] phy: Distinguish between Rx and Tx for MIPI D-PHY with submodes
Date: Wed, 26 May 2021 16:24:00 +0200	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <YK5aAL6ciI92ruHs@aptenodytes> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <20210115200141.1397785-3-paul.kocialkowski@bootlin.com>


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Hi everyone,

On Fri 15 Jan 21, 21:01, Paul Kocialkowski wrote:
> As some D-PHY controllers support both Rx and Tx mode, we need a way for
> users to explicitly request one or the other. For instance, Rx mode can
> be used along with MIPI CSI-2 while Tx mode can be used with MIPI DSI.
> 
> Introduce new MIPI D-PHY PHY submodes to use with PHY_MODE_MIPI_DPHY.
> The default (zero value) is kept to Tx so only the rkisp1 driver, which
> uses D-PHY in Rx mode, needs to be adapted.

I think it was Laurent who brought up on IRC that using a submode is probably
not a correct way to distinguish between Rx and Tx modes.

Thinking about it again, it feels like selecting the direction at run-time
would only be relevant if there's D-PHY hardware than can do both Tx and Rx
*and* that can be muxed to either a MIPI DSI and a CSI-2 controller at
run-time.

For the Allwinner case, the D-PHY is the same hardware for both but there will
be one instance attached to each controller, not a single shared instance.
It feels rather unlikely that a device with both MIPI DSI and CSI-2 would only
have one PHY for the two as this wouldn't allow concurrent use of the two
controllers. Even in a case where there'd be n controllers and m < n
bi-directional PHYs, it feels safe to assume that a static attribution would
be sufficient.
 
As a result it feels more relevant to have this distinction in device-tree
rather than via the PHY API.

What do you think?
Any suggestion on how this should be represented in device-tree?

Cheers,

Paul

> Signed-off-by: Paul Kocialkowski <paul.kocialkowski@bootlin.com>
> Acked-by: Helen Koike <helen.koike@collabora.com>
> ---
>  drivers/media/platform/rockchip/rkisp1/rkisp1-isp.c |  3 ++-
>  include/linux/phy/phy-mipi-dphy.h                   | 13 +++++++++++++
>  2 files changed, 15 insertions(+), 1 deletion(-)
> 
> diff --git a/drivers/media/platform/rockchip/rkisp1/rkisp1-isp.c b/drivers/media/platform/rockchip/rkisp1/rkisp1-isp.c
> index 2e5b57e3aedc..cab261644102 100644
> --- a/drivers/media/platform/rockchip/rkisp1/rkisp1-isp.c
> +++ b/drivers/media/platform/rockchip/rkisp1/rkisp1-isp.c
> @@ -948,7 +948,8 @@ static int rkisp1_mipi_csi2_start(struct rkisp1_isp *isp,
>  
>  	phy_mipi_dphy_get_default_config(pixel_clock, isp->sink_fmt->bus_width,
>  					 sensor->lanes, cfg);
> -	phy_set_mode(sensor->dphy, PHY_MODE_MIPI_DPHY);
> +	phy_set_mode_ext(cdev->dphy, PHY_MODE_MIPI_DPHY,
> +			 PHY_MIPI_DPHY_SUBMODE_RX);
>  	phy_configure(sensor->dphy, &opts);
>  	phy_power_on(sensor->dphy);
>  
> diff --git a/include/linux/phy/phy-mipi-dphy.h b/include/linux/phy/phy-mipi-dphy.h
> index a877ffee845d..0f57ef46a8b5 100644
> --- a/include/linux/phy/phy-mipi-dphy.h
> +++ b/include/linux/phy/phy-mipi-dphy.h
> @@ -6,6 +6,19 @@
>  #ifndef __PHY_MIPI_DPHY_H_
>  #define __PHY_MIPI_DPHY_H_
>  
> +/**
> + * enum phy_mipi_dphy_submode - MIPI D-PHY sub-mode
> + *
> + * A MIPI D-PHY can be used to transmit or receive data.
> + * Since some controllers can support both, the direction to enable is specified
> + * with the PHY sub-mode. Transmit is assumed by default with phy_set_mode.
> + */
> +
> +enum phy_mipi_dphy_submode {
> +	PHY_MIPI_DPHY_SUBMODE_TX = 0,
> +	PHY_MIPI_DPHY_SUBMODE_RX,
> +};
> +
>  /**
>   * struct phy_configure_opts_mipi_dphy - MIPI D-PHY configuration set
>   *
> -- 
> 2.30.0
> 

-- 
Paul Kocialkowski, Bootlin
Embedded Linux and kernel engineering
https://bootlin.com

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  parent reply	other threads:[~2021-05-26 14:24 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 72+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2021-01-15 20:01 [PATCH v5 00/16] Allwinner MIPI CSI-2 support for A31/V3s/A83T Paul Kocialkowski
2021-01-15 20:01 ` Paul Kocialkowski
2021-01-15 20:01 ` Paul Kocialkowski
2021-01-15 20:01 ` [PATCH v5 01/16] docs: phy: Add a part about PHY mode and submode Paul Kocialkowski
2021-01-15 20:01   ` Paul Kocialkowski
2021-01-15 20:01   ` Paul Kocialkowski
2021-01-15 20:01 ` [PATCH v5 02/16] phy: Distinguish between Rx and Tx for MIPI D-PHY with submodes Paul Kocialkowski
2021-01-15 20:01   ` Paul Kocialkowski
2021-01-15 20:01   ` Paul Kocialkowski
2021-05-26 11:50   ` Hans Verkuil
2021-05-26 11:50     ` Hans Verkuil
2021-05-26 11:50     ` Hans Verkuil
2021-05-26 11:56     ` Paul Kocialkowski
2021-05-26 11:56       ` Paul Kocialkowski
2021-05-26 11:56       ` Paul Kocialkowski
2021-05-26 14:24   ` Paul Kocialkowski [this message]
2021-05-26 14:24     ` Paul Kocialkowski
2021-05-26 14:24     ` Paul Kocialkowski
2021-01-15 20:01 ` [PATCH v5 03/16] phy: allwinner: phy-sun6i-mipi-dphy: Support D-PHY Rx mode for MIPI CSI-2 Paul Kocialkowski
2021-01-15 20:01   ` Paul Kocialkowski
2021-01-15 20:01   ` Paul Kocialkowski
2021-01-15 20:01 ` [PATCH v5 04/16] media: sun6i-csi: Stop using the deprecated fwnode endpoint parser Paul Kocialkowski
2021-01-15 20:01   ` Paul Kocialkowski
2021-01-15 20:01   ` Paul Kocialkowski
2021-01-18  9:09   ` Maxime Ripard
2021-01-18  9:09     ` Maxime Ripard
2021-01-18  9:09     ` Maxime Ripard
2021-01-15 20:01 ` [PATCH v5 05/16] media: sun6i-csi: Use common V4L2 format info for storage bpp Paul Kocialkowski
2021-01-15 20:01   ` Paul Kocialkowski
2021-01-15 20:01   ` Paul Kocialkowski
2021-01-15 20:01 ` [PATCH v5 06/16] media: sun6i-csi: Only configure the interface data width for parallel Paul Kocialkowski
2021-01-15 20:01   ` Paul Kocialkowski
2021-01-15 20:01   ` Paul Kocialkowski
2021-01-15 20:01 ` [PATCH v5 07/16] dt-bindings: media: sun6i-a31-csi: Add MIPI CSI-2 input port Paul Kocialkowski
2021-01-15 20:01   ` Paul Kocialkowski
2021-01-15 20:01   ` Paul Kocialkowski
2021-01-15 20:01 ` [PATCH v5 08/16] media: sun6i-csi: Add support for MIPI CSI-2 bridge input Paul Kocialkowski
2021-01-15 20:01   ` Paul Kocialkowski
2021-01-15 20:01   ` Paul Kocialkowski
2021-01-15 20:01 ` [PATCH v5 09/16] dt-bindings: media: Add A31 MIPI CSI-2 bindings documentation Paul Kocialkowski
2021-01-15 20:01   ` Paul Kocialkowski
2021-01-15 20:01   ` Paul Kocialkowski
2021-01-15 20:01 ` [PATCH v5 10/16] media: sunxi: Add support for the A31 MIPI CSI-2 controller Paul Kocialkowski
2021-01-15 20:01   ` Paul Kocialkowski
2021-01-15 20:01   ` Paul Kocialkowski
2021-01-15 20:01 ` [PATCH v5 11/16] ARM: dts: sun8i: v3s: Add nodes for MIPI CSI-2 support Paul Kocialkowski
2021-01-15 20:01   ` Paul Kocialkowski
2021-01-15 20:01   ` Paul Kocialkowski
2021-01-15 20:01 ` [PATCH v5 12/16] MAINTAINERS: Add entry for the Allwinner A31 MIPI CSI-2 bridge Paul Kocialkowski
2021-01-15 20:01   ` Paul Kocialkowski
2021-01-15 20:01   ` Paul Kocialkowski
2021-01-15 20:01 ` [PATCH v5 13/16] dt-bindings: media: Add A83T MIPI CSI-2 bindings documentation Paul Kocialkowski
2021-01-15 20:01   ` Paul Kocialkowski
2021-01-15 20:01   ` Paul Kocialkowski
2021-01-15 20:01 ` [PATCH v5 14/16] media: sunxi: Add support for the A83T MIPI CSI-2 controller Paul Kocialkowski
2021-01-15 20:01   ` Paul Kocialkowski
2021-01-15 20:01   ` Paul Kocialkowski
2021-01-15 20:01 ` [PATCH v5 15/16] ARM: dts: sun8i: a83t: Add MIPI CSI-2 controller node Paul Kocialkowski
2021-01-15 20:01   ` Paul Kocialkowski
2021-01-15 20:01   ` Paul Kocialkowski
2021-01-15 20:01 ` [PATCH v5 16/16] MAINTAINERS: Add entry for the Allwinner A83T MIPI CSI-2 bridge Paul Kocialkowski
2021-01-15 20:01   ` Paul Kocialkowski
2021-01-15 20:01   ` Paul Kocialkowski
2021-05-26 12:00 ` [PATCH v5 00/16] Allwinner MIPI CSI-2 support for A31/V3s/A83T Hans Verkuil
2021-05-26 12:00   ` Hans Verkuil
2021-05-26 12:00   ` Hans Verkuil
2021-05-26 13:28   ` Paul Kocialkowski
2021-05-26 13:28     ` Paul Kocialkowski
2021-05-26 13:28     ` Paul Kocialkowski
2021-05-26 17:14     ` Sakari Ailus
2021-05-26 17:14       ` Sakari Ailus
2021-05-26 17:14       ` Sakari Ailus

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