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From: Stefan Hajnoczi <stefanha@gmail.com>
To: "Philippe Mathieu-Daudé" <philmd@redhat.com>
Cc: Emanuele Giuseppe Esposito <eesposit@redhat.com>,
	Peter Maydell <peter.maydell@linaro.org>,
	"Michael S. Tsirkin" <mst@redhat.com>,
	Huacai Chen <chenhuacai@kernel.org>,
	Richard Henderson <richard.henderson@linaro.org>,
	QEMU Developers <qemu-devel@nongnu.org>,
	Peter Xu <peterx@redhat.com>, Bibo Mao <maobibo@loongson.cn>,
	Stefan Hajnoczi <stefanha@redhat.com>,
	Paolo Bonzini <pbonzini@redhat.com>
Subject: Re: [RFC PATCH 14/25] qemu/bswap: Introduce load/store for aligned pointer
Date: Wed, 19 May 2021 10:08:55 +0100	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <YKTVp6potto1UR9V@stefanha-x1.localdomain> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <82c66450-24de-89a2-71fb-79dcdebd1baa@redhat.com>

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On Wed, May 19, 2021 at 07:56:51AM +0200, Philippe Mathieu-Daudé wrote:
> On 5/18/21 10:15 PM, Peter Maydell wrote:
> > On Tue, 18 May 2021 at 19:38, Philippe Mathieu-Daudé <philmd@redhat.com> wrote:
> >>
> >> When the pointer alignment is known to be safe, we can
> >> directly swap the data in place, without having to rely
> >> on the compiler builtin code.
> >>
> >> Load/store methods expecting aligned pointer use the 'a'
> >> infix. For example to read a 16-bit unsigned value stored
> >> in little endianess at an unaligned pointer:
> >>
> >>   val = lduw_le_p(&unaligned_ptr);
> >>
> >> then to store it in big endianess at an aligned pointer:
> >>
> >>   stw_be_ap(&aligned_ptr, val);
> > 
> > It sounded from the bug report as if the desired effect
> > was "this access is atomic". Nothing in the documentation here
> > makes that guarantee of the implementation -- it merely imposes
> > an extra requirement on the caller that the pointer alignment
> > is "safe" (which term it does not define...) and a valid
> > implementation would be to implement the "aligned" versions
> > identically to the "unaligned" versions...
> > 
> > Q: should the functions at the bottom of this stack of APIs
> > be using something from the atomic.h header? If not, why not?
> > Do we need any of the other atomic primitives ?
> 
> I'll defer this question to Stefan/Paolo...

Stricly speaking qatomic_read() and qatomic_set() are necessary for
__ATOMIC_RELAXED semantics.

The comment in atomic.h mentions this generally has no effect on
generated code. That's probably because aligned 16/32/64-bit accesses
don't tear on modern CPUs so no special instructions are needed. This is
why not using atomic.h usually works.

Even qatomic_read()/qatomic_set() is too strong since the doc comment
mentions it prevents the compiler moving other loads/stores past the
atomic operation. The hw/virtio/ code already has explicit memory
barriers and doesn't need the additional compiler barrier.

For safety I suggest using qatomic_read()/qatomic_set().

Stefan

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  reply	other threads:[~2021-05-19  9:11 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 37+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2021-05-18 18:36 [RFC PATCH 00/25] exec: Add load/store API for aligned pointers Philippe Mathieu-Daudé
2021-05-18 18:36 ` [RFC PATCH 01/25] exec/memory_ldst_cached: Sort declarations Philippe Mathieu-Daudé
2021-05-18 18:36 ` [RFC PATCH 02/25] exec/memory_ldst_phys: " Philippe Mathieu-Daudé
2021-05-18 18:36 ` [RFC PATCH 03/25] exec/memory_ldst: Use correct type sizes Philippe Mathieu-Daudé
2021-05-18 18:36 ` [RFC PATCH 04/25] exec/memory_ldst_phys: " Philippe Mathieu-Daudé
2021-05-18 18:36 ` [RFC PATCH 05/25] exec/memory_ldst_cached: Use correct type size Philippe Mathieu-Daudé
2021-05-18 18:36 ` [RFC PATCH 06/25] exec/memory: " Philippe Mathieu-Daudé
2021-05-18 18:36 ` [RFC PATCH 07/25] qemu/bswap: Introduce ST_CONVERT() macro Philippe Mathieu-Daudé
2021-05-18 18:36 ` [RFC PATCH 08/25] qemu/bswap: Use ST_CONVERT() macro to emit 16-bit load/store functions Philippe Mathieu-Daudé
2021-05-18 20:08   ` Peter Maydell
2021-05-19 17:30     ` Philippe Mathieu-Daudé
2021-05-18 18:36 ` [RFC PATCH 09/25] qemu/bswap: Introduce LD_CONVERT() macro Philippe Mathieu-Daudé
2021-05-18 18:36 ` [RFC PATCH 10/25] qemu/bswap: Use LD_CONVERT macro to emit 16-bit signed load/store code Philippe Mathieu-Daudé
2021-05-18 18:36 ` [RFC PATCH 11/25] qemu/bswap: Use LD_CONVERT macro to emit 16-bit unsigned " Philippe Mathieu-Daudé
2021-05-18 18:36 ` [RFC PATCH 12/25] qemu/bswap: Use LDST_CONVERT macro to emit 32-bit load/store functions Philippe Mathieu-Daudé
2021-05-18 18:36 ` [RFC PATCH 13/25] qemu/bswap: Use LDST_CONVERT macro to emit 64-bit " Philippe Mathieu-Daudé
2021-05-18 18:36 ` [RFC PATCH 14/25] qemu/bswap: Introduce load/store for aligned pointer Philippe Mathieu-Daudé
2021-05-18 20:15   ` Peter Maydell
2021-05-19  5:56     ` Philippe Mathieu-Daudé
2021-05-19  9:08       ` Stefan Hajnoczi [this message]
2021-05-18 18:36 ` [RFC PATCH 15/25] exec/memory: Add methods for aligned pointer access (address space) Philippe Mathieu-Daudé
2021-05-18 18:36 ` [RFC PATCH 16/25] exec/memory: Add methods for aligned pointer access (physical memory) Philippe Mathieu-Daudé
2021-05-18 18:36 ` [RFC PATCH 17/25] hw/virtio: Use correct type sizes Philippe Mathieu-Daudé
2021-05-20 16:27   ` Richard Henderson
2021-05-20 19:13     ` Philippe Mathieu-Daudé
2021-05-18 18:36 ` [RFC PATCH 18/25] hw/virtio: Introduce VIRTIO_LD_CONVERT() macro Philippe Mathieu-Daudé
2021-05-18 18:36 ` [RFC PATCH 19/25] hw/virtio: Use LD_CONVERT macro to emit 16-bit unsigned load/store code Philippe Mathieu-Daudé
2021-05-18 18:36 ` [RFC PATCH 20/25] hw/virtio: Introduce VIRTIO_ST_CONVERT() macro Philippe Mathieu-Daudé
2021-05-18 18:36 ` [RFC PATCH 21/25] hw/virtio: Use ST_CONVERT() macro to emit 16-bit load/store functions Philippe Mathieu-Daudé
2021-05-18 18:36 ` [RFC PATCH 22/25] hw/virtio: Use LDST_CONVERT macro to emit 32-bit " Philippe Mathieu-Daudé
2021-05-18 18:36 ` [RFC PATCH 23/25] hw/virtio: Use LDST_CONVERT macro to emit 64-bit " Philippe Mathieu-Daudé
2021-05-18 18:36 ` [RFC PATCH 24/25] hw/virtio: Add methods for aligned pointer access Philippe Mathieu-Daudé
2021-05-18 18:36 ` [RFC PATCH 25/25] hw/virtio: Optimize accesses on vring aligned pointers Philippe Mathieu-Daudé
2021-05-18 18:42 ` [RFC PATCH 00/25] exec: Add load/store API for " no-reply
2021-05-19 19:20 ` Richard Henderson
2021-05-19 19:40   ` Philippe Mathieu-Daudé
2021-05-20 16:28     ` Richard Henderson

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