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From: Greg Kroah-Hartman <gregkh@linuxfoundation.org>
To: Andi Kleen <ak@linux.intel.com>
Cc: "Kuppuswamy,
	Sathyanarayanan"  <sathyanarayanan.kuppuswamy@linux.intel.com>,
	Dan Williams <dan.j.williams@intel.com>,
	"Rafael J . Wysocki" <rafael@kernel.org>,
	Jonathan Corbet <corbet@lwn.net>,
	Kuppuswamy Sathyanarayanan <knsathya@kernel.org>,
	Linux Kernel Mailing List <linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org>,
	Linux Doc Mailing List <linux-doc@vger.kernel.org>
Subject: Re: [PATCH v1] driver: base: Add driver filter support
Date: Thu, 5 Aug 2021 20:11:43 +0200	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <YQwp33gKxab6RB/e@kroah.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <f4dedead-5b6c-2712-deca-0d59d314016b@linux.intel.com>

On Thu, Aug 05, 2021 at 10:52:10AM -0700, Andi Kleen wrote:
> 
> On 8/5/2021 10:25 AM, Kuppuswamy, Sathyanarayanan wrote:
> > 
> > 
> > On 8/5/21 9:37 AM, Dan Williams wrote:
> > > I overlooked the "authorized" attribute in usb and thunderbolt. The
> > > collision problem makes sense. Are you open to a core "authorized"
> > > attribute that buses like usb and thunderbolt would override in favor
> > > of their local implementation? I.e. similar to suppress_bind_attrs:
> > 
> > Even if such overriding is allowed in default boot, it should not be
> > allowed in protected guest + driver_filter model.
> 
> 
> Allowing overriding would be acceptable, as long as nobody does it by
> default. In theory a (root) user program can already do other things that
> make the guest insecure.
> 
> Still it's not clear to me how this proposal solves the builtin and platform
> drivers problem. AFAIK that needs a builtin allowlist in any case. And once
> we have that likely we don't need anything else for current TDX at least,
> because the allowlist is so small and there is no concept of hotplug or
> similar.

What specific platform drivers do you need on these systems that you
would ever want to exclude some and not just allow them all?

> Also another consideration is that we were trying to avoid relying too much
> on user space for this. One of the goals was to move an existing guest image
> to a confidential guest with only minor changes (new kernel / enable
> attestation). Complex changes for securing it would make that much harder.

Just deny all and only allow the ones you "trust".  That is a
well-defined policy that (/me checks notes) Intel created for USB a very
long time ago.

greg k-h

  reply	other threads:[~2021-08-05 18:11 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 44+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2021-08-04 17:43 [PATCH v1] driver: base: Add driver filter support Kuppuswamy Sathyanarayanan
2021-08-04 18:08 ` Matthew Wilcox
2021-08-04 18:29   ` Kuppuswamy, Sathyanarayanan
2021-08-04 18:33     ` Matthew Wilcox
2021-08-04 19:27     ` Andi Kleen
2021-08-04 18:45   ` Dan Williams
2021-08-04 19:29 ` Greg Kroah-Hartman
2021-08-04 19:50   ` Andi Kleen
2021-08-04 20:09     ` Kuppuswamy, Sathyanarayanan
2021-08-05  7:50       ` Greg Kroah-Hartman
2021-08-05  7:49     ` Greg Kroah-Hartman
2021-08-05  7:55       ` Greg Kroah-Hartman
2021-08-05  7:58         ` Greg Kroah-Hartman
2021-08-05 13:52           ` Andi Kleen
2021-08-05 17:51             ` Greg Kroah-Hartman
2021-08-05 17:58               ` Andi Kleen
2021-08-05 18:09                 ` Greg Kroah-Hartman
2021-08-05 18:44                   ` Andi Kleen
2021-08-05 19:01                     ` Dan Williams
2021-08-05 19:08                       ` Kuppuswamy, Sathyanarayanan
2021-08-05 19:28                         ` Greg Kroah-Hartman
2021-08-05 21:10                       ` Andi Kleen
2021-08-06  1:00                         ` Dan Williams
2021-08-06  5:17                           ` Greg Kroah-Hartman
2021-08-06 14:36                             ` Dan Williams
2021-08-06  5:07                     ` Greg Kroah-Hartman
2021-08-05 18:53                   ` Kuppuswamy, Sathyanarayanan
2021-08-05 19:12                     ` Greg Kroah-Hartman
2021-08-05 19:18                       ` Dan Williams
2021-08-05 19:28                         ` Greg Kroah-Hartman
2021-08-05 19:52                           ` Dan Williams
2021-08-06 11:15                             ` Jonathan Cameron
2021-08-05 16:37           ` Dan Williams
2021-08-05 17:25             ` Kuppuswamy, Sathyanarayanan
2021-08-05 17:48               ` Greg Kroah-Hartman
2021-08-05 17:52               ` Andi Kleen
2021-08-05 18:11                 ` Greg Kroah-Hartman [this message]
2021-08-05 17:49             ` Greg Kroah-Hartman
2021-08-04 20:11   ` Dan Williams
2021-08-04 20:29     ` Kuppuswamy, Sathyanarayanan
2021-08-04 21:07     ` Matthew Wilcox
2021-08-04 21:28       ` Dan Williams
2021-08-05  4:45         ` Andi Kleen
2021-08-05  7:59         ` Greg Kroah-Hartman

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