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From: Patrick Steinhardt <ps@pks.im>
To: Jeff King <peff@peff.net>
Cc: git@vger.kernel.org,
	"Johannes Schindelin" <Johannes.Schindelin@gmx.de>,
	"Ævar Arnfjörð Bjarmason" <avarab@gmail.com>,
	"Junio C Hamano" <gitster@pobox.com>, "Eric Wong" <e@80x24.org>,
	"Neeraj K. Singh" <neerajsi@microsoft.com>
Subject: Re: [PATCH v2 0/3] refs: sync loose refs to disk before committing them
Date: Thu, 11 Nov 2021 12:47:36 +0100	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <YY0C2ES1aGpSAW4v@ncase> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <YYwvVy6AWDjkWazn@coredump.intra.peff.net>

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On Wed, Nov 10, 2021 at 03:45:11PM -0500, Jeff King wrote:
> On Wed, Nov 10, 2021 at 12:40:50PM +0100, Patrick Steinhardt wrote:
> 
> > Please note that I didn't yet add any performance numbers or tests.
> > Performance tests didn't show any conclusive results on my machine given
> > that I couldn't observe any noticeable impact at all, and I didn't write
> > tests yet given that I first wanted to get some feedback on this series.
> > If we agree that this is the correct way to go forward I'll of course
> > put in some more time to add them.
> 
> Here's a mild adjustment of the quick test I showed earlier in [1]. It
> uses your version for all cases, but swaps between the three config
> options, and it uses --atomic to put everything into a single
> transaction:
> 
>   $ hyperfine -L v false,true,batch -p ./setup 'git -C dst.git config core.fsyncreffiles {v}; git.compile push --atomic dst.git refs/heads/*'
>   Benchmark 1: git -C dst.git config core.fsyncreffiles false; git.compile push --atomic dst.git refs/heads/*
>     Time (mean ± σ):      10.5 ms ±   0.2 ms    [User: 7.8 ms, System: 3.9 ms]
>     Range (min … max):    10.1 ms …  11.0 ms    108 runs
>    
>   Benchmark 2: git -C dst.git config core.fsyncreffiles true; git.compile push --atomic dst.git refs/heads/*
>     Time (mean ± σ):     402.5 ms ±   6.2 ms    [User: 13.9 ms, System: 10.7 ms]
>     Range (min … max):   387.3 ms … 408.9 ms    10 runs
>    
>   Benchmark 3: git -C dst.git config core.fsyncreffiles batch; git.compile push --atomic dst.git refs/heads/*
>     Time (mean ± σ):      21.4 ms ±   0.6 ms    [User: 8.0 ms, System: 5.2 ms]
>     Range (min … max):    20.7 ms …  24.9 ms    99 runs
>    
>   Summary
>     'git -C dst.git config core.fsyncreffiles false; git.compile push --atomic dst.git refs/heads/*' ran
>       2.05 ± 0.07 times faster than 'git -C dst.git config core.fsyncreffiles batch; git.compile push --atomic dst.git refs/heads/*'
>      38.51 ± 1.06 times faster than 'git -C dst.git config core.fsyncreffiles true; git.compile push --atomic dst.git refs/heads/*'
> 
> So yes, the "batch" case is much improved. It's still more expensive
> than skipping the fsync entirely, but it's within reason. The trick,
> though is the --atomic. If I drop that flag, then "batch" takes as long
> as "true". And of course that's the default.

Great, thanks for doing these tests.

> I wonder if that means we'd want an extra mode: do the WRITEOUT_ONLY
> flush, but _don't_ do a HARDWARE_FLUSH for each transaction. That
> doesn't give you durability, but it (in theory) solves the out-of-order
> journal problem without paying any performance cost.
> 
> I say "in theory" because I'm just assuming that the WRITEOUT thing
> works as advertised. I don't have an easy way to test the outcome on a
> power failure at the right moment here.
> 
> -Peff
> 
> [1] https://lore.kernel.org/git/YYTaiIlEKxHRVdCy@coredump.intra.peff.net/

Yeah, it's also one of the things I'm currently wondering about. I just
piggy-backed on the preexisting patch series which claim that it at
least ought to work on macOS and Windows, but left out of the equation
were Linux filesystems. I'm hoping that we'll get an answer to this
question via <211111.86pmr7pk9o.gmgdl@evledraar.gmail.com>, where Ævar
put Linus and Christopher Hellwig on Cc.

In any case, if the outcome of a WRITEOUT_ONLY flush would be that we
may not see all renames, but that every refs' contents would be
well-defined, then this is a tradeoff we'd probably want to make at
GitLab.

Patrick

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      reply	other threads:[~2021-11-11 11:48 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 34+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2021-11-04 12:38 [PATCH] refs: sync loose refs to disk before committing them Patrick Steinhardt
2021-11-04 13:14 ` Ævar Arnfjörð Bjarmason
2021-11-04 14:51   ` Patrick Steinhardt
2021-11-04 21:24   ` Junio C Hamano
2021-11-04 22:36     ` Neeraj Singh
2021-11-05  1:40       ` Junio C Hamano
2021-11-05  6:36         ` Jeff King
2021-11-05  8:35       ` Ævar Arnfjörð Bjarmason
2021-11-05  9:04         ` Jeff King
2021-11-05  7:07 ` Jeff King
2021-11-05  7:17   ` Jeff King
2021-11-05  9:12     ` Johannes Schindelin
2021-11-05  9:22       ` Patrick Steinhardt
2021-11-05  9:34       ` Jeff King
2021-11-09 11:25         ` Patrick Steinhardt
2021-11-10  8:36           ` Jeff King
2021-11-10  9:16             ` Patrick Steinhardt
2021-11-10 11:40 ` [PATCH v2 0/3] " Patrick Steinhardt
2021-11-10 11:40   ` [PATCH v2 1/3] wrapper: handle EINTR in `git_fsync()` Patrick Steinhardt
2021-11-10 14:33     ` Johannes Schindelin
2021-11-10 14:39     ` Ævar Arnfjörð Bjarmason
2021-11-10 11:40   ` [PATCH v2 2/3] wrapper: provide function to sync directories Patrick Steinhardt
2021-11-10 14:40     ` Ævar Arnfjörð Bjarmason
2021-11-10 11:41   ` [PATCH v2 3/3] refs: add configuration to enable flushing of refs Patrick Steinhardt
2021-11-10 14:49     ` Ævar Arnfjörð Bjarmason
2021-11-10 19:15       ` Neeraj Singh
2021-11-10 20:23         ` Ævar Arnfjörð Bjarmason
2021-11-11  0:03           ` Neeraj Singh
2021-11-11 12:14           ` Patrick Steinhardt
2021-11-11 12:06       ` Patrick Steinhardt
2021-11-11  0:18     ` Neeraj Singh
2021-11-10 14:44   ` [PATCH v2 0/3] refs: sync loose refs to disk before committing them Johannes Schindelin
2021-11-10 20:45   ` Jeff King
2021-11-11 11:47     ` Patrick Steinhardt [this message]

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