* Enabling tstamp in proc status file externally @ 2022-06-09 12:38 Pavel Hofman 2022-06-18 20:52 ` Takashi Sakamoto 0 siblings, 1 reply; 4+ messages in thread From: Pavel Hofman @ 2022-06-09 12:38 UTC (permalink / raw) To: alsa-devel Hi, Please is there any way to enable the tstamp in stream status without modifying the client calling the alsa-lib API? I wanted to measure samplerate ratio between soundcards using data in their status proc files (comparing advancement of tstamp vs. hw_ptr). The method seems to work quite good, but some clients enable the stream status tstamp (e.g. pulseaudio) and some don't (e.g. sox, aplay), resulting in zeros in the status proc file. Thanks a lot for any help or hint. Best regards, Pavel. ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 4+ messages in thread
* Re: Enabling tstamp in proc status file externally 2022-06-09 12:38 Enabling tstamp in proc status file externally Pavel Hofman @ 2022-06-18 20:52 ` Takashi Sakamoto 2022-06-19 8:03 ` Pavel Hofman 0 siblings, 1 reply; 4+ messages in thread From: Takashi Sakamoto @ 2022-06-18 20:52 UTC (permalink / raw) To: Pavel Hofman; +Cc: alsa-devel Hi Pavel, On Thu, Jun 09, 2022 at 02:38:58PM +0200, Pavel Hofman wrote: > Hi, > > Please is there any way to enable the tstamp in stream status without > modifying the client calling the alsa-lib API? I wanted to measure > samplerate ratio between soundcards using data in their status proc files > (comparing advancement of tstamp vs. hw_ptr). The method seems to work quite > good, but some clients enable the stream status tstamp (e.g. pulseaudio) and > some don't (e.g. sox, aplay), resulting in zeros in the status proc file. > > Thanks a lot for any help or hint. One night sleep after posting my comment to your patch for aplay[1] brings me an idea to use tracepoints events for your purpose (it's 5:00 am at UTC+07:00). ALSA PCM core supports some kinds of tracepoints events[2]. They are categorized to two parts; the history of hwptr/applptr and hardware parameters of PCM substream. I think the former category of tracepoints events are available for your work to invent diagnostics tools since all of tracepoints events can be retrieved by user space application with system time stamp. I think the type of time stamp is selectable by options when retrieving records of tracepoints events. Furthermore the time stamp is essentially the same as the ones of trigger/current/driver time stamps in ALSA PCM interface. I did not add enough description about the category of tracepoints when committed to document [2], but roughly describe here: - hwptr - the position for audio frame transmission (e.g. DMA). - applptr - the position for user space application to read/write audio frame except for operations over mmapped buffer (but depending on audio hardware) This is call graph when operating the procfs node: (sound/core/pcm.c) ->snd_pcm_substream_proc_status_read() (sound/core/pcm_native.c) ->snd_pcm_status64() (sound/core/pcm_lib.c) ->snd_pcm_update_hw_ptr() (sound/core/pcm_trace.h) ->trace_hwptr() You can see hwptr event is triggered as well. Actually, trace_hwptr() is called more frequently by usual ALSA PCM applications; e.g. ioctl(2) with PCM hwptr request. We have some ways to retrieve the tracepoints events in user space: - tracefs - perf system call - bpf You can easily find many good documentations about them; e.g. - BPF Performance Tools (Brendan Gregg 2020, Addison Wesley, ISBN-13 78-0136554820 ) I prefer your intention diagnose the runtime of PCM substream. I think every one almost certainly love the work. So it's nice to go forward without discouraged. [1] Re: [PATCH] aplay: Support setting timestamp https://lore.kernel.org/alsa-devel/Yq2Lfn+RJx96Qqvh@workstation/ [2] Documentation/sound/designs/tracepoints.rst in source of Linux kernel https://www.kernel.org/doc/html/latest/sound/designs/tracepoints.html Cheerss Takashi Sakamoto ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 4+ messages in thread
* Re: Enabling tstamp in proc status file externally 2022-06-18 20:52 ` Takashi Sakamoto @ 2022-06-19 8:03 ` Pavel Hofman 2022-06-20 4:48 ` Takashi Sakamoto 0 siblings, 1 reply; 4+ messages in thread From: Pavel Hofman @ 2022-06-19 8:03 UTC (permalink / raw) To: Takashi Sakamoto; +Cc: alsa-devel Hi Takashi, Dne 18. 06. 22 v 22:52 Takashi Sakamoto napsal(a): > Hi Pavel, > > On Thu, Jun 09, 2022 at 02:38:58PM +0200, Pavel Hofman wrote: >> Hi, >> >> Please is there any way to enable the tstamp in stream status without >> modifying the client calling the alsa-lib API? I wanted to measure >> samplerate ratio between soundcards using data in their status proc files >> (comparing advancement of tstamp vs. hw_ptr). The method seems to work quite >> good, but some clients enable the stream status tstamp (e.g. pulseaudio) and >> some don't (e.g. sox, aplay), resulting in zeros in the status proc file. >> >> Thanks a lot for any help or hint. > > One night sleep after posting my comment to your patch for aplay[1] brings > me an idea to use tracepoints events for your purpose (it's 5:00 am at > UTC+07:00). > > ALSA PCM core supports some kinds of tracepoints events[2]. They are > categorized to two parts; the history of hwptr/applptr and hardware > parameters of PCM substream. I think the former category of tracepoints > events are available for your work to invent diagnostics tools since all > of tracepoints events can be retrieved by user space application with > system time stamp. I think the type of time stamp is selectable by > options when retrieving records of tracepoints events. Furthermore the > time stamp is essentially the same as the ones of trigger/current/driver > time stamps in ALSA PCM interface. > > I did not add enough description about the category of tracepoints when > committed to document [2], but roughly describe here: > > - hwptr > - the position for audio frame transmission (e.g. DMA). > - applptr > - the position for user space application to read/write audio frame > except for operations over mmapped buffer (but depending on audio > hardware) > > This is call graph when operating the procfs node: > > (sound/core/pcm.c) > ->snd_pcm_substream_proc_status_read() > (sound/core/pcm_native.c) > ->snd_pcm_status64() > (sound/core/pcm_lib.c) > ->snd_pcm_update_hw_ptr() > (sound/core/pcm_trace.h) > ->trace_hwptr() > > You can see hwptr event is triggered as well. Actually, trace_hwptr() is > called more frequently by usual ALSA PCM applications; e.g. ioctl(2) > with PCM hwptr request. > > We have some ways to retrieve the tracepoints events in user space: > - tracefs > - perf system call > - bpf Thanks a lot for your detailed explanation. Please correct me if I am wrong but IIUC the snd_pcm_update_hw_ptr does not update the timestamp if it's not enabled. I already have access to the timestamp via the procfs status file, but if the client does not enable the timestamp specifically, the struct field will not be updated. That's why I added the timestamp-enable code to the alsa clients aplay/axfer. Can the tracepoints modify the status struct and enable the timestamping from aside? Thanks a lot, Pavel. ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 4+ messages in thread
* Re: Enabling tstamp in proc status file externally 2022-06-19 8:03 ` Pavel Hofman @ 2022-06-20 4:48 ` Takashi Sakamoto 0 siblings, 0 replies; 4+ messages in thread From: Takashi Sakamoto @ 2022-06-20 4:48 UTC (permalink / raw) To: Pavel Hofman; +Cc: alsa-devel On Sun, Jun 19, 2022 at 10:03:24AM +0200, Pavel Hofman wrote: > Hi Takashi, > > Dne 18. 06. 22 v 22:52 Takashi Sakamoto napsal(a): > > Hi Pavel, > > > > On Thu, Jun 09, 2022 at 02:38:58PM +0200, Pavel Hofman wrote: > > > Hi, > > > > > > Please is there any way to enable the tstamp in stream status without > > > modifying the client calling the alsa-lib API? I wanted to measure > > > samplerate ratio between soundcards using data in their status proc files > > > (comparing advancement of tstamp vs. hw_ptr). The method seems to work quite > > > good, but some clients enable the stream status tstamp (e.g. pulseaudio) and > > > some don't (e.g. sox, aplay), resulting in zeros in the status proc file. > > > > > > Thanks a lot for any help or hint. > > > > One night sleep after posting my comment to your patch for aplay[1] brings > > me an idea to use tracepoints events for your purpose (it's 5:00 am at > > UTC+07:00). > > > > ALSA PCM core supports some kinds of tracepoints events[2]. They are > > categorized to two parts; the history of hwptr/applptr and hardware > > parameters of PCM substream. I think the former category of tracepoints > > events are available for your work to invent diagnostics tools since all > > of tracepoints events can be retrieved by user space application with > > system time stamp. I think the type of time stamp is selectable by > > options when retrieving records of tracepoints events. Furthermore the > > time stamp is essentially the same as the ones of trigger/current/driver > > time stamps in ALSA PCM interface. > > > > I did not add enough description about the category of tracepoints when > > committed to document [2], but roughly describe here: > > > > - hwptr > > - the position for audio frame transmission (e.g. DMA). > > - applptr > > - the position for user space application to read/write audio frame > > except for operations over mmapped buffer (but depending on audio > > hardware) > > > > This is call graph when operating the procfs node: > > > > (sound/core/pcm.c) > > ->snd_pcm_substream_proc_status_read() > > (sound/core/pcm_native.c) > > ->snd_pcm_status64() > > (sound/core/pcm_lib.c) > > ->snd_pcm_update_hw_ptr() > > (sound/core/pcm_trace.h) > > ->trace_hwptr() > > > > You can see hwptr event is triggered as well. Actually, trace_hwptr() is > > called more frequently by usual ALSA PCM applications; e.g. ioctl(2) > > with PCM hwptr request. > > > > We have some ways to retrieve the tracepoints events in user space: > > - tracefs > > - perf system call > > - bpf > > > Thanks a lot for your detailed explanation. Please correct me if I am wrong > but IIUC the snd_pcm_update_hw_ptr does not update the timestamp if it's not > enabled. I already have access to the timestamp via the procfs status file, > but if the client does not enable the timestamp specifically, the struct > field will not be updated. That's why I added the timestamp-enable code to > the alsa clients aplay/axfer. > > Can the tracepoints modify the status struct and enable the timestamping > from aside? The configuration of runtime of PCM bustream is immutable from tracepoints, thus we have no way to enable it unless changing code of PCM application. In my understanding, your aim is to estimate samplerate ratio by computing the history of hw_ptr with time stamp in running PCM substream. Both of them are provided by the tracepoints events, In the case, Linux tracepoints framework record time stamp. I think the time stamp is mostly equivalent to the time stamp which ALSA PCM core put into the structure and expose to user space, since both of them are sampled from system time within atomic context. The clock_id is selectable; e.g. perf_event_open system call receive 'struct perf_event_attr' which includes clockid field since Linux kernel 4.1 or later[1]. [1] https://git.kernel.org/pub/scm/linux/kernel/git/torvalds/linux.git/commit/?id=34f439278cef Regards Takashi Sakamoto ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 4+ messages in thread
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