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From: Jamal Hadi Salim <jhs@mojatatu.com>
To: Jiri Pirko <jiri@resnulli.us>, netdev@vger.kernel.org
Cc: davem@davemloft.net, xiyou.wangcong@gmail.com,
	jakub.kicinski@netronome.com, simon.horman@netronome.com,
	john.hurley@netronome.com, dsahern@gmail.com, mlxsw@mellanox.com
Subject: Re: [patch net-next v2 0/9] net: sched: introduce chain templates support with offloading to mlxsw
Date: Thu, 28 Jun 2018 09:13:30 -0400	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <a0885166-cad9-f21d-32d7-3000c0083384@mojatatu.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <20180626080000.12964-1-jiri@resnulli.us>


On 26/06/18 03:59 AM, Jiri Pirko wrote:
> From: Jiri Pirko <jiri@mellanox.com>
> 
> For the TC clsact offload these days, some of HW drivers need
> to hold a magic ball. The reason is, with the first inserted rule inside
> HW they need to guess what fields will be used for the matching. If
> later on this guess proves to be wrong and user adds a filter with a
> different field to match, there's a problem. Mlxsw resolves it now with
> couple of patterns. Those try to cover as many match fields as possible.
> This aproach is far from optimal, both performance-wise and scale-wise.
> Also, there is a combination of filters that in certain order won't
> succeed.
> 
 >
> Most of the time, when user inserts filters in chain, he knows right away
> how the filters are going to look like - what type and option will they
> have. For example, he knows that he will only insert filters of type
> flower matching destination IP address. He can specify a template that
> would cover all the filters in the chain.
> 

Is this just restricted to hardware offload? Example it will make sense
for u32 in s/ware as well (i.e flexible TCAM like TCAM based
classification). i.e it is possible that rules the user enters
end up being worst case a linked list lookup, yes? And allocating
space for a tuple that is not in use is a waste of space.

If yes, then I would reword the above as something like:

For very flexible classifiers such as TCAM based ones,
one could add arbitrary tuple rules which tend to be inefficient both
from a space and lookup performance. One approach, taken by Mlxsw,
is to assume a multi filter tuple arrangement which is inefficient
from a space perspective when the user-specified rules dont make
use of pre-provisioned tuple space.
Typically users already know what tuples are of interest to them:
for example for ipv4 route lookup purposes they may just want to
lookup destination IP with a specified mask etc.
This feature allows user to provide good hints to the classifier to
optimize.


> This patchset is providing the possibility to user to provide such
> template  to kernel and propagate it all the way down to device
> drivers.
> 
> See the examples below.
> 
> Create dummy device with clsact first:
> # ip link add type dummy
> # tc qdisc add dev dummy0 clsact
> 
> There is no template assigned by default:
> # tc filter template show dev dummy0 ingress
> 
> Add a template of type flower allowing to insert rules matching on last
> 2 bytes of destination mac address:
> # tc filter template add dev dummy0 ingress proto ip flower dst_mac 00:00:00:00:00:00/00:00:00:00:FF:FF
> 
> The template is now showed in the list:
> # tc filter template show dev dummy0 ingress
> filter flower chain 0
>    dst_mac 00:00:00:00:00:00/00:00:00:00:ff:ff
>    eth_type ipv4
> 
> Add another template, this time for chain number 22:
> # tc filter template add dev dummy0 ingress proto ip chain 22 flower dst_ip 0.0.0.0/16
> # tc filter template show dev dummy0 ingress
> filter flower chain 0
>    dst_mac 00:00:00:00:00:00/00:00:00:00:ff:ff
>    eth_type ipv4
> filter flower chain 22
>    eth_type ipv4
>    dst_ip 0.0.0.0/16
> 
> Add a filter that fits the template:
> # tc filter add dev dummy0 ingress proto ip flower dst_mac aa:bb:cc:dd:ee:ff/00:00:00:00:00:0F action drop
> 
> Addition of filters that does not fit the template would fail:
> # tc filter add dev dummy0 ingress proto ip flower dst_mac aa:11:22:33:44:55/00:00:00:FF:00:00 action drop
> Error: Mask does not fit the template.
> We have an error talking to the kernel, -1
> # tc filter add dev dummy0 ingress proto ip flower dst_ip 10.0.0.1 action drop
> Error: Mask does not fit the template.
> We have an error talking to the kernel, -1
> 
> Additions of filters to chain 22:
> # tc filter add dev dummy0 ingress proto ip chain 22 flower dst_ip 10.0.0.1/8 action drop
> # tc filter add dev dummy0 ingress proto ip chain 22 flower dst_ip 10.0.0.1 action drop
> Error: Mask does not fit the template.
> We have an error talking to the kernel, -1
> # tc filter add dev dummy0 ingress proto ip chain 22 flower dst_ip 10.0.0.1/24 action drop
> Error: Mask does not fit the template.
> We have an error talking to the kernel, -1
> 
> Removal of a template from non-empty chain would fail:
> # tc filter template del dev dummy0 ingress
> Error: The chain is not empty, unable to delete template.
> We have an error talking to the kernel, -1
> 
> Once the chain is flushed, the template could be removed:
> # tc filter del dev dummy0 ingress
> # tc filter template del dev dummy0 ingress
> 

BTW: unlike the other comments on this - I think the syntax above
is fine ;-> Chain are already either explicitly or are implicitly
(case of chain 0) specified.

Assuming that one cant add a new template to a chain if it already
has at least one filter (even if no template has been added).

I like it - it may help making u32 more friendly to humans in some
cases.

cheers,
jamal

  parent reply	other threads:[~2018-06-28 13:13 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 41+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2018-06-26  7:59 [patch net-next v2 0/9] net: sched: introduce chain templates support with offloading to mlxsw Jiri Pirko
2018-06-26  7:59 ` [patch net-next v2 1/9] net: sched: push ops lookup bits into tcf_proto_lookup_ops() Jiri Pirko
2018-06-26  7:59 ` [patch net-next v2 2/9] net: sched: introduce chain templates Jiri Pirko
2018-06-26  7:59 ` [patch net-next v2 3/9] net: sched: cls_flower: move key/mask dumping into a separate function Jiri Pirko
2018-06-26  7:59 ` [patch net-next v2 4/9] net: sched: cls_flower: change fl_init_dissector to accept mask and dissector Jiri Pirko
2018-06-26  7:59 ` [patch net-next v2 5/9] net: sched: cls_flower: implement chain templates Jiri Pirko
2018-06-26  7:59 ` [patch net-next v2 6/9] net: sched: cls_flower: propagate chain teplate creation and destruction to drivers Jiri Pirko
2018-06-26  7:59 ` [patch net-next v2 7/9] mlxsw: spectrum: Implement chain template hinting Jiri Pirko
2018-06-26 10:20   ` Ido Schimmel
2018-06-26  7:59 ` [patch net-next v2 8/9] selftests: forwarding: move shblock tc support check to a separate helper Jiri Pirko
2018-06-26  8:00 ` [patch net-next v2 9/9] selftests: forwarding: add tests for TC chain templates Jiri Pirko
2018-06-27  0:04 ` [patch net-next v2 0/9] net: sched: introduce chain templates support with offloading to mlxsw Cong Wang
2018-06-27  6:05   ` Jiri Pirko
2018-06-27  6:34     ` Samudrala, Sridhar
2018-06-27  7:03       ` Jiri Pirko
2018-06-28  4:48 ` David Miller
2018-06-28  6:25   ` Jiri Pirko
2018-06-28 17:38   ` Cong Wang
2018-06-28 13:13 ` Jamal Hadi Salim [this message]
2018-06-28 13:22   ` Jiri Pirko
2018-06-28 13:54     ` Jamal Hadi Salim
2018-06-28 14:17       ` Jiri Pirko
2018-06-28 13:08 Jiri Pirko
2018-06-28 13:24 ` Jiri Pirko
2018-06-28 14:18 ` David Ahern
2018-06-28 14:29   ` Jiri Pirko
2018-06-28 15:10     ` David Ahern
2018-06-28 15:37       ` Jiri Pirko
2018-06-28 15:50         ` David Ahern
2018-06-28 16:08           ` Jiri Pirko
2018-06-28 22:25 ` Cong Wang
2018-06-29  8:39   ` Jiri Pirko
2018-06-29 12:12     ` Jamal Hadi Salim
2018-06-29 12:48       ` Jiri Pirko
2018-06-29 12:54         ` David Ahern
2018-06-29 13:05           ` Jiri Pirko
2018-06-29 17:06             ` Samudrala, Sridhar
2018-06-29 22:18               ` Cong Wang
2018-06-30 10:12                 ` Jiri Pirko
2018-07-02 19:33                   ` Cong Wang
2018-06-29 13:32           ` David Miller

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