All of lore.kernel.org
 help / color / mirror / Atom feed
From: Dietmar Eggemann <dietmar.eggemann@arm.com>
To: Quentin Perret <quentin.perret@arm.com>
Cc: Juri Lelli <juri.lelli@redhat.com>,
	peterz@infradead.org, rjw@rjwysocki.net,
	gregkh@linuxfoundation.org, linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org,
	linux-pm@vger.kernel.org, mingo@redhat.com,
	morten.rasmussen@arm.com, chris.redpath@arm.com,
	patrick.bellasi@arm.com, valentin.schneider@arm.com,
	vincent.guittot@linaro.org, thara.gopinath@linaro.org,
	viresh.kumar@linaro.org, tkjos@google.com, joelaf@google.com,
	smuckle@google.com, adharmap@quicinc.com, skannan@quicinc.com,
	pkondeti@codeaurora.org, edubezval@gmail.com,
	srinivas.pandruvada@linux.intel.com, currojerez@riseup.net,
	javi.merino@kernel.org
Subject: Re: [RFC PATCH v3 03/10] PM: Introduce an Energy Model management framework
Date: Fri, 8 Jun 2018 18:39:56 +0200	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <a51f0aee-8d4b-1149-9cb5-ad1777a93f34@arm.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <20180608131104.GA7838@e108498-lin.cambridge.arm.com>

On 06/08/2018 03:11 PM, Quentin Perret wrote:
> On Friday 08 Jun 2018 at 14:39:33 (+0200), Dietmar Eggemann wrote:

[...]

>>>> Even though we would be forced to get cpufreq's related cpumask from
>>>> somewhere.
>>>
>>> That's the easy part. The difficult part is, where do you get power
>>> values from ? You have to let the lower layers register those values
>>> in a centralized location on a voluntary basis. And then it becomes easy
>>> for consumers to access that data, because they know where it is.
>>
>> The code in the arch could use the same struct em_data_callback em_cb = {
>> &dev_pm_opp_of_estimate_power } that the cpufreq driver is currently using?
> 
> How do you know from the arch code if you should get power from DT
> with dev_pm_opp_of_estimate_power or use another callback that reads
> power from firmware (SCMI) ?

Ah, ok, cpufreq dt, scpi and arm_big_little are dt, cpufreq scmi can be 
different ...

> 
> I don't think it is reasonable to assume a single source of information for
> an arch. It is is already an incorrect assumption even if just you look at
> the Arm world.

Ok, I see.

> 
>>> Again, I don't think that's possible. You have to let the lower layers
>>> tell you where the power values come from, at the very least. You could
>>> let the archs do that aggregation I suppose, but I don't really see the
>>> benefit over one centralized framework with a generic interface ...
>>> What's your opinion ?
>>
>> Don't understand the '... let the lower layers tell you where the power
>> values come from ...' part. Where is the difference whether the arch or the
>> cpufreq driver uses em_data_callback?
> 
> Because different CPUFreq drivers can be used for one arch. There are
> different CPUFreq drivers because there are different ways of getting
> information about the platform, even just for the Arm world (DT, SCPI,
> SCMI, ...). It's the same thing for power values, they don't necessarily
> come from DT.

scpi is dt ? At least scpi-cpufreq.c uses this 
dev_pm_opp_of_estimate_power too.

> The point of having a centralized EM framework with a standardized
> callback prototype is flexibility. You can implement a callback that
> estimates power from the DT. You can implement a callback that reads
> power from firmware. But you can also have a completely ad-hoc EM
> provider in a module if you like. All you have to do to provide data to
> the framework is respect the callback API.

IMHO, this idea is good, there should be also user of this outside 
arm/arm64 ...

[...]

  reply	other threads:[~2018-06-08 16:40 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 80+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2018-05-21 14:24 [RFC PATCH v3 00/10] Energy Aware Scheduling Quentin Perret
2018-05-21 14:24 ` [RFC PATCH v3 01/10] sched: Relocate arch_scale_cpu_capacity Quentin Perret
2018-05-21 14:24 ` [RFC PATCH v3 02/10] sched/cpufreq: Factor out utilization to frequency mapping Quentin Perret
2018-05-21 14:24 ` [RFC PATCH v3 03/10] PM: Introduce an Energy Model management framework Quentin Perret
2018-06-06 13:12   ` Dietmar Eggemann
2018-06-06 14:37     ` Quentin Perret
2018-06-06 15:20       ` Juri Lelli
2018-06-06 15:29         ` Quentin Perret
2018-06-06 16:26           ` Quentin Perret
2018-06-07 15:58             ` Dietmar Eggemann
2018-06-08 13:39             ` Javi Merino
2018-06-08 15:47               ` Quentin Perret
2018-06-09  8:24                 ` Javi Merino
2018-06-06 16:47   ` Juri Lelli
2018-06-06 16:59     ` Quentin Perret
2018-06-07 14:44   ` Juri Lelli
2018-06-07 15:19     ` Quentin Perret
2018-06-07 15:55       ` Dietmar Eggemann
2018-06-08  8:25         ` Quentin Perret
2018-06-08  9:36           ` Juri Lelli
2018-06-08 10:31             ` Quentin Perret
2018-06-08 12:39           ` Dietmar Eggemann
2018-06-08 13:11             ` Quentin Perret
2018-06-08 16:39               ` Dietmar Eggemann [this message]
2018-06-08 17:02                 ` Quentin Perret
2018-06-07 16:04       ` Juri Lelli
2018-06-07 17:31         ` Quentin Perret
2018-06-09  8:13         ` Javi Merino
2018-06-19 11:07   ` Peter Zijlstra
2018-06-19 12:35     ` Quentin Perret
2018-06-19 11:31   ` Peter Zijlstra
2018-06-19 12:40     ` Quentin Perret
2018-06-19 11:34   ` Peter Zijlstra
2018-06-19 12:58     ` Quentin Perret
2018-06-19 13:23       ` Peter Zijlstra
2018-06-19 13:38         ` Quentin Perret
2018-06-19 14:16           ` Peter Zijlstra
2018-06-19 14:21             ` Peter Zijlstra
2018-06-19 14:30               ` Peter Zijlstra
2018-06-19 14:23             ` Quentin Perret
2018-05-21 14:24 ` [RFC PATCH v3 04/10] PM / EM: Expose the Energy Model in sysfs Quentin Perret
2018-06-19 12:16   ` Peter Zijlstra
2018-06-19 13:06     ` Quentin Perret
2018-05-21 14:25 ` [RFC PATCH v3 05/10] sched/topology: Reference the Energy Model of CPUs when available Quentin Perret
2018-06-07 14:44   ` Juri Lelli
2018-06-07 16:02     ` Quentin Perret
2018-06-07 16:29       ` Juri Lelli
2018-06-07 17:26         ` Quentin Perret
2018-06-19 12:26   ` Peter Zijlstra
2018-06-19 13:24     ` Quentin Perret
2018-06-19 16:20       ` Peter Zijlstra
2018-06-19 17:13         ` Quentin Perret
2018-06-19 18:42           ` Peter Zijlstra
2018-06-20  7:58             ` Quentin Perret
2018-05-21 14:25 ` [RFC PATCH v3 06/10] sched: Add over-utilization/tipping point indicator Quentin Perret
2018-06-19  7:01   ` Pavan Kondeti
2018-06-19 10:26     ` Dietmar Eggemann
2018-05-21 14:25 ` [RFC PATCH v3 07/10] sched/fair: Introduce an energy estimation helper function Quentin Perret
2018-06-08 10:30   ` Juri Lelli
2018-06-19  9:51   ` Pavan Kondeti
2018-06-19  9:53     ` Quentin Perret
2018-05-21 14:25 ` [RFC PATCH v3 08/10] sched: Lowest energy aware balancing sched_domain level pointer Quentin Perret
2018-05-21 14:25 ` [RFC PATCH v3 09/10] sched/fair: Select an energy-efficient CPU on task wake-up Quentin Perret
2018-06-08 10:24   ` Juri Lelli
2018-06-08 11:19     ` Quentin Perret
2018-06-08 11:59       ` Juri Lelli
2018-06-08 16:26         ` Quentin Perret
2018-06-19  5:06   ` Pavan Kondeti
2018-06-19  7:57     ` Quentin Perret
2018-06-19  8:41       ` Pavan Kondeti
2018-05-21 14:25 ` [RFC PATCH v3 10/10] arch_topology: Start Energy Aware Scheduling Quentin Perret
2018-06-19  9:18   ` Pavan Kondeti
2018-06-19  9:40     ` Quentin Perret
2018-06-19  9:47       ` Juri Lelli
2018-06-19 10:02         ` Quentin Perret
2018-06-19 10:19           ` Juri Lelli
2018-06-19 10:25             ` Quentin Perret
2018-06-19 10:31               ` Juri Lelli
2018-06-19 10:49                 ` Quentin Perret
2018-06-01  9:29 ` [RFC PATCH v3 00/10] " Quentin Perret

Reply instructions:

You may reply publicly to this message via plain-text email
using any one of the following methods:

* Save the following mbox file, import it into your mail client,
  and reply-to-all from there: mbox

  Avoid top-posting and favor interleaved quoting:
  https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Posting_style#Interleaved_style

* Reply using the --to, --cc, and --in-reply-to
  switches of git-send-email(1):

  git send-email \
    --in-reply-to=a51f0aee-8d4b-1149-9cb5-ad1777a93f34@arm.com \
    --to=dietmar.eggemann@arm.com \
    --cc=adharmap@quicinc.com \
    --cc=chris.redpath@arm.com \
    --cc=currojerez@riseup.net \
    --cc=edubezval@gmail.com \
    --cc=gregkh@linuxfoundation.org \
    --cc=javi.merino@kernel.org \
    --cc=joelaf@google.com \
    --cc=juri.lelli@redhat.com \
    --cc=linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org \
    --cc=linux-pm@vger.kernel.org \
    --cc=mingo@redhat.com \
    --cc=morten.rasmussen@arm.com \
    --cc=patrick.bellasi@arm.com \
    --cc=peterz@infradead.org \
    --cc=pkondeti@codeaurora.org \
    --cc=quentin.perret@arm.com \
    --cc=rjw@rjwysocki.net \
    --cc=skannan@quicinc.com \
    --cc=smuckle@google.com \
    --cc=srinivas.pandruvada@linux.intel.com \
    --cc=thara.gopinath@linaro.org \
    --cc=tkjos@google.com \
    --cc=valentin.schneider@arm.com \
    --cc=vincent.guittot@linaro.org \
    --cc=viresh.kumar@linaro.org \
    /path/to/YOUR_REPLY

  https://kernel.org/pub/software/scm/git/docs/git-send-email.html

* If your mail client supports setting the In-Reply-To header
  via mailto: links, try the mailto: link
Be sure your reply has a Subject: header at the top and a blank line before the message body.
This is an external index of several public inboxes,
see mirroring instructions on how to clone and mirror
all data and code used by this external index.