bazaar mirror available

bazaar mirror available

[Robert Millan]

Hi,

As you may have noticed, a GNU Bazaar mirror of SVN trunk is now available.
It can be accessed via:

  bzr branch http://bzr.savannah.gnu.org/r/grub/trunk

  bzr branch sftp://<membername>@bzr.savannah.gnu.org/srv/bzr/grub/trunk

It'll be regularly resynced to latest SVN.

-- 
Robert Millan

  The DRM opt-in fallacy: "Your data belongs to us. We will decide when (and
  how) you may access your data; but nobody's threatening your freedom: we
  still allow you to remove your data and not access it at all."

Re: bazaar mirror available

[Vladimir 'phcoder' Serbinenko]

Robert Millan wrote:
> Hi,
>
> As you may have noticed, a GNU Bazaar mirror of SVN trunk is now available.
> It can be accessed via:
>
>   bzr branch http://bzr.savannah.gnu.org/r/grub/trunk
>
>   bzr branch sftp://<membername>@bzr.savannah.gnu.org/srv/bzr/grub/trunk
>
> It'll be regularly resynced to latest SVN.
>
>   
What's preventing of using it as a main repository? This should allow
easy resync


-- 
Regards
Vladimir 'phcoder' Serbinenko
Personal git repository: http://repo.or.cz/w/grub2/phcoder.git 

Re: bazaar mirror available

[Robert Millan]

On Fri, Oct 23, 2009 at 04:40:06PM +0200, Vladimir 'phcoder' Serbinenko wrote:
> What's preventing of using it as a main repository? This should allow
> easy resync

Historically, it's been very hard for us to reach consensus on which revision
control system to use.  When we settled on SVN, it happened because we were
all fed up with CVS, not because it completely satisfied everyone.  In fact,
it was Bean who proposed it, even if he used GIT himself at the time!

Other developers were unsatisfied with this decision, but chose not to object
to it just so we could get rid of CVS.

Since a very wide consensus was reached, and it was so hard to archieve it,
I'm very reluctant to push for Bazaar as our trunk repository unless everyone
agrees this is what we want.

Personally, I prefer if we did this switch, but I also think SVN does a good
job at managing a trunk.  I don't mind living with it for the time being.

When I feel something is important, I don't hesitate to use my authority as
maintainer, but in this case I don't consider it necessary.  That said, if
I see consensus that we should switch to Bazaar as main repository, I won't
be the one to stop it.

-- 
Robert Millan

  The DRM opt-in fallacy: "Your data belongs to us. We will decide when (and
  how) you may access your data; but nobody's threatening your freedom: we
  still allow you to remove your data and not access it at all."

Re: bazaar mirror available

[Vladimir 'phcoder' Serbinenko]

Robert Millan wrote:
> On Fri, Oct 23, 2009 at 04:40:06PM +0200, Vladimir 'phcoder' Serbinenko wrote:
>   
>> What's preventing of using it as a main repository? This should allow
>> easy resync
>>     
>
> Historically, it's been very hard for us to reach consensus on which revision
> control system to use.  When we settled on SVN, it happened because we were
> all fed up with CVS, not because it completely satisfied everyone.  In fact,
> it was Bean who proposed it, even if he used GIT himself at the time!
>
> Other developers were unsatisfied with this decision, but chose not to object
> to it just so we could get rid of CVS.
>
> Since a very wide consensus was reached, and it was so hard to archieve it,
> I'm very reluctant to push for Bazaar as our trunk repository unless everyone
> agrees this is what we want.
>
> Personally, I prefer if we did this switch, but I also think SVN does a good
> job at managing a trunk.  I don't mind living with it for the time being.
>
> When I feel something is important, I don't hesitate to use my authority as
> maintainer, but in this case I don't consider it necessary.  That said, if
> I see consensus that we should switch to Bazaar as main repository, I won't
> be the one to stop it.
>
>   
Even though I'm git user and only bzr newbie, now when I started to
learn it I like it and am for its adoption as main repo

-- 
Regards
Vladimir 'phcoder' Serbinenko
Personal git repository: http://repo.or.cz/w/grub2/phcoder.git 

Bazaar as main repository

[Robert Millan]

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On Sun, Oct 25, 2009 at 01:04:48AM +0200, Vladimir 'phcoder' Serbinenko wrote:
> Robert Millan wrote:
> > On Fri, Oct 23, 2009 at 04:40:06PM +0200, Vladimir 'phcoder' Serbinenko wrote:
> >   
> >> What's preventing of using it as a main repository? This should allow
> >> easy resync
> >
> > Historically, it's been very hard for us to reach consensus on which revision
> > control system to use.  When we settled on SVN, it happened because we were
> > all fed up with CVS, not because it completely satisfied everyone.  In fact,
> > it was Bean who proposed it, even if he used GIT himself at the time!
> >
> > Other developers were unsatisfied with this decision, but chose not to object
> > to it just so we could get rid of CVS.
> >
> > Since a very wide consensus was reached, and it was so hard to archieve it,
> > I'm very reluctant to push for Bazaar as our trunk repository unless everyone
> > agrees this is what we want.
> >
> > Personally, I prefer if we did this switch, but I also think SVN does a good
> > job at managing a trunk.  I don't mind living with it for the time being.
> >
> > When I feel something is important, I don't hesitate to use my authority as
> > maintainer, but in this case I don't consider it necessary.  That said, if
> > I see consensus that we should switch to Bazaar as main repository, I won't
> > be the one to stop it.
> >
> >   
> Even though I'm git user and only bzr newbie, now when I started to
> learn it I like it and am for its adoption as main repo

Hi,

Vladimir would like to do this move;  I would like too, and can only assume
that Colin Watson would be satisfied with it.

So far nobody protested, and we finally sorted out the corruption problems.

I stop resyncing with SVN now.  All developers are encouraged to commit
directly to Bazaar (either trunk, experimental or personal branch depending
on the nature of changes).

Please remember to use sftp:// protocol, NOT bzr+ssh://.  If/when Savannah
upgrades their bzr daemon, we might consider using bzr+ssh:// in the future.

-- 
Robert Millan

  The DRM opt-in fallacy: "Your data belongs to us. We will decide when (and
  how) you may access your data; but nobody's threatening your freedom: we
  still allow you to remove your data and not access it at all."

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Re: Bazaar as main repository

[Michal Suchanek]

2009/11/8 Robert Millan <rmh@aybabtu.com>:
>
> Hi,
>
> Vladimir would like to do this move;  I would like too, and can only assume
> that Colin Watson would be satisfied with it.
>
> So far nobody protested, and we finally sorted out the corruption problems.
>
> I stop resyncing with SVN now.  All developers are encouraged to commit
> directly to Bazaar (either trunk, experimental or personal branch depending
> on the nature of changes).

Hello,

is there a tool similar to git-svn that would import bzr repository into git?

Or will the be the bzr development mirrored in the svn repository?

brz is very obscure system and even if it's good it may be hard to get
started with.

Thanks

Michal

Re: Bazaar as main repository

[Robert Millan]

On Mon, Nov 09, 2009 at 04:49:58PM +0100, Michal Suchanek wrote:
> 2009/11/8 Robert Millan <rmh@aybabtu.com>:
> >
> > Hi,
> >
> > Vladimir would like to do this move;  I would like too, and can only assume
> > that Colin Watson would be satisfied with it.
> >
> > So far nobody protested, and we finally sorted out the corruption problems.
> >
> > I stop resyncing with SVN now.  All developers are encouraged to commit
> > directly to Bazaar (either trunk, experimental or personal branch depending
> > on the nature of changes).
> 
> Hello,
> 
> is there a tool similar to git-svn that would import bzr repository into git?

I think there is, but I'll let someone who knows better reply on that.

> Or will the be the bzr development mirrored in the svn repository?

No plans for that.

> brz is very obscure system and even if it's good it may be hard to get
> started with.

Can you be more specific?  I've only used it for a few weeks, and let aside
the problems related to svn->bzr conversion or bzr+ssh:// interaction, I
found it very easy to figure out.

-- 
Robert Millan

  The DRM opt-in fallacy: "Your data belongs to us. We will decide when (and
  how) you may access your data; but nobody's threatening your freedom: we
  still allow you to remove your data and not access it at all."

Re: Bazaar as main repository

[Michal Suchanek]

2009/11/9 Robert Millan <rmh@aybabtu.com>:
> On Mon, Nov 09, 2009 at 04:49:58PM +0100, Michal Suchanek wrote:
>> 2009/11/8 Robert Millan <rmh@aybabtu.com>:
>> >
>> > Hi,
>> >
>> > Vladimir would like to do this move;  I would like too, and can only assume
>> > that Colin Watson would be satisfied with it.
>> >
>> > So far nobody protested, and we finally sorted out the corruption problems.
>> >
>> > I stop resyncing with SVN now.  All developers are encouraged to commit
>> > directly to Bazaar (either trunk, experimental or personal branch depending
>> > on the nature of changes).
>>
>> Hello,
>>
>> is there a tool similar to git-svn that would import bzr repository into git?
>
> I think there is, but I'll let someone who knows better reply on that.
>
>> Or will the be the bzr development mirrored in the svn repository?
>
> No plans for that.
>
>> brz is very obscure system and even if it's good it may be hard to get
>> started with.
>
> Can you be more specific?  I've only used it for a few weeks, and let aside
> the problems related to svn->bzr conversion or bzr+ssh:// interaction, I
> found it very easy to figure out.
>

At the very least there is the problem of existing git branches/local
repositories.

Thanks

Michal

Re: Bazaar as main repository

[Felix Zielcke]

Am Montag, den 09.11.2009, 16:49 +0100 schrieb Michal Suchanek:
> 
> is there a tool similar to git-svn that would import bzr repository
> into git? 

You can use the bzr fast-export , git fast-import method for a one time
conversion.
If I understood Vladimir on IRC right, incremental mirroring should also
be possible with it.

There also seems to be some git-bzr stuff:
http://github.com/pieter/git-bzr/network

-- 
Felix Zielcke
Proud Debian Maintainer and GNU GRUB developer