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From: Kay Sievers <kay.sievers@vrfy.org>
To: Matthew Garrett <mjg59@srcf.ucam.org>
Cc: David Zeuthen <david@fubar.dk>,
	linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org, axboe@kernel.dk,
	linux-hotplug@vger.kernel.org
Subject: Re: [PATCH] [RFC] Add support for uevents on block device idle  changes
Date: Wed, 18 Nov 2009 22:06:33 +0100	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <ac3eb2510911181306g221e8940xfbcf8b8e7fa9a56e@mail.gmail.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <20091118200712.GA14026@srcf.ucam.org>

On Wed, Nov 18, 2009 at 21:07, Matthew Garrett <mjg59@srcf.ucam.org> wrote:
> On Wed, Nov 18, 2009 at 09:03:21PM +0100, Kay Sievers wrote:
>
>> Sure, but what's wrong with reading that file every 50 seconds? Almost
>> all boxes poll for media changes of optical drives and usb card
>> readers anyway, so it's not that we are not doing stuff like this
>> already.
>
> We poll for media because there's no event-based way of avoiding it - in
> this case there is.

That's true, but I think there is a significant difference between
polling every one or two seconds for media changes, and usually one or
two minutes for a disk idle. It's not that we poll in a rather hight
frequency, in an arbitrary interval, and check if some condition is
met.

I still don't think that we should add new event interfaces which are
single-subscriber only, and use global values for a specific user.
What if there will be another independent user for this, which might
want a different timeout? They fight over the trigger value to set in
sysfs?

>From my perspective, the once-at-timeout wakeup is more acceptable
than an in-kernel policy setting for a single-subscriber event
interface.

Thanks,
Kay

WARNING: multiple messages have this Message-ID (diff)
From: Kay Sievers <kay.sievers@vrfy.org>
To: Matthew Garrett <mjg59@srcf.ucam.org>
Cc: David Zeuthen <david@fubar.dk>,
	linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org, axboe@kernel.dk,
	linux-hotplug@vger.kernel.org
Subject: Re: [PATCH] [RFC] Add support for uevents on block device idle
Date: Wed, 18 Nov 2009 21:06:33 +0000	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <ac3eb2510911181306g221e8940xfbcf8b8e7fa9a56e@mail.gmail.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <20091118200712.GA14026@srcf.ucam.org>

On Wed, Nov 18, 2009 at 21:07, Matthew Garrett <mjg59@srcf.ucam.org> wrote:
> On Wed, Nov 18, 2009 at 09:03:21PM +0100, Kay Sievers wrote:
>
>> Sure, but what's wrong with reading that file every 50 seconds? Almost
>> all boxes poll for media changes of optical drives and usb card
>> readers anyway, so it's not that we are not doing stuff like this
>> already.
>
> We poll for media because there's no event-based way of avoiding it - in
> this case there is.

That's true, but I think there is a significant difference between
polling every one or two seconds for media changes, and usually one or
two minutes for a disk idle. It's not that we poll in a rather hight
frequency, in an arbitrary interval, and check if some condition is
met.

I still don't think that we should add new event interfaces which are
single-subscriber only, and use global values for a specific user.
What if there will be another independent user for this, which might
want a different timeout? They fight over the trigger value to set in
sysfs?

From my perspective, the once-at-timeout wakeup is more acceptable
than an in-kernel policy setting for a single-subscriber event
interface.

Thanks,
Kay

  reply	other threads:[~2009-11-18 21:06 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 73+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2009-11-17 14:37 [PATCH] [RFC] Add support for uevents on block device idle changes Matthew Garrett
2009-11-17 14:37 ` Matthew Garrett
2009-11-17 15:55 ` Kay Sievers
2009-11-17 15:55   ` [PATCH] [RFC] Add support for uevents on block device idle Kay Sievers
2009-11-17 16:09   ` [PATCH] [RFC] Add support for uevents on block device idle changes David Zeuthen
2009-11-17 16:09     ` [PATCH] [RFC] Add support for uevents on block device idle David Zeuthen
2009-11-17 18:57     ` [PATCH] [RFC] Add support for uevents on block device idle changes Matthew Garrett
2009-11-17 18:57       ` [PATCH] [RFC] Add support for uevents on block device idle Matthew Garrett
2009-11-18 19:30       ` [PATCH] [RFC] Add support for uevents on block device idle changes Kay Sievers
2009-11-18 19:30         ` [PATCH] [RFC] Add support for uevents on block device idle Kay Sievers
2009-11-18 19:40         ` [PATCH] [RFC] Add support for uevents on block device idle changes Matthew Garrett
2009-11-18 19:40           ` [PATCH] [RFC] Add support for uevents on block device idle Matthew Garrett
2009-11-18 19:47           ` [PATCH] [RFC] Add support for uevents on block device idle changes Kay Sievers
2009-11-18 19:47             ` [PATCH] [RFC] Add support for uevents on block device idle Kay Sievers
2009-11-18 19:53             ` [PATCH] [RFC] Add support for uevents on block device idle changes Matthew Garrett
2009-11-18 19:53               ` [PATCH] [RFC] Add support for uevents on block device idle Matthew Garrett
2009-11-18 20:03               ` [PATCH] [RFC] Add support for uevents on block device idle changes Kay Sievers
2009-11-18 20:03                 ` [PATCH] [RFC] Add support for uevents on block device idle Kay Sievers
2009-11-18 20:07                 ` [PATCH] [RFC] Add support for uevents on block device idle changes Matthew Garrett
2009-11-18 20:07                   ` [PATCH] [RFC] Add support for uevents on block device idle Matthew Garrett
2009-11-18 21:06                   ` Kay Sievers [this message]
2009-11-18 21:06                     ` Kay Sievers
2009-11-18 21:29                     ` [PATCH] [RFC] Add support for uevents on block device idle changes Kay Sievers
2009-11-18 21:29                       ` [PATCH] [RFC] Add support for uevents on block device idle Kay Sievers
2009-11-18 21:35                       ` [PATCH] [RFC] Add support for uevents on block device idle changes Matthew Garrett
2009-11-18 21:35                         ` [PATCH] [RFC] Add support for uevents on block device idle Matthew Garrett
2009-11-18 21:39                         ` [PATCH] [RFC] Add support for uevents on block device idle changes Kay Sievers
2009-11-18 21:39                           ` [PATCH] [RFC] Add support for uevents on block device idle Kay Sievers
2009-11-18 21:45                           ` [PATCH] [RFC] Add support for uevents on block device idle changes Matthew Garrett
2009-11-18 21:45                             ` [PATCH] [RFC] Add support for uevents on block device idle Matthew Garrett
2009-11-18 21:33                     ` [PATCH] [RFC] Add support for uevents on block device idle changes Matthew Garrett
2009-11-18 21:33                       ` [PATCH] [RFC] Add support for uevents on block device idle Matthew Garrett
2009-11-18 21:40                       ` [PATCH] [RFC] Add support for uevents on block device idle changes Kay Sievers
2009-11-18 21:40                         ` [PATCH] [RFC] Add support for uevents on block device idle Kay Sievers
2009-11-19 11:09                       ` [PATCH] [RFC] Add support for uevents on block device idle changes Kay Sievers
2009-11-19 11:09                         ` [PATCH] [RFC] Add support for uevents on block device idle Kay Sievers
2009-11-19 13:01                         ` [PATCH] [RFC] Add support for uevents on block device idle changes Matthew Garrett
2009-11-19 13:01                           ` [PATCH] [RFC] Add support for uevents on block device idle Matthew Garrett
2009-11-19 13:29                           ` [PATCH] [RFC] Add support for uevents on block device idle changes Kay Sievers
2009-11-19 13:29                             ` [PATCH] [RFC] Add support for uevents on block device idle Kay Sievers
2009-11-19 14:16                             ` [PATCH] [RFC] Add support for uevents on block device idle changes Matthew Garrett
2009-11-19 14:16                               ` [PATCH] [RFC] Add support for uevents on block device idle Matthew Garrett
2009-11-19 14:25                               ` [PATCH] [RFC] Add support for uevents on block device idle changes Kay Sievers
2009-11-19 14:25                                 ` [PATCH] [RFC] Add support for uevents on block device idle Kay Sievers
2009-11-19 14:30                                 ` [PATCH] [RFC] Add support for uevents on block device idle changes Matthew Garrett
2009-11-19 14:30                                   ` [PATCH] [RFC] Add support for uevents on block device idle Matthew Garrett
2009-11-19 14:34                                   ` [PATCH] [RFC] Add support for uevents on block device idle changes Kay Sievers
2009-11-19 14:34                                     ` [PATCH] [RFC] Add support for uevents on block device idle Kay Sievers
2009-11-19 14:48                                     ` [PATCH] [RFC] Add support for uevents on block device idle changes Matthew Garrett
2009-11-19 14:48                                       ` [PATCH] [RFC] Add support for uevents on block device idle Matthew Garrett
2009-11-19 15:00                                       ` [PATCH] [RFC] Add support for uevents on block device idle changes Kay Sievers
2009-11-19 15:00                                         ` [PATCH] [RFC] Add support for uevents on block device idle Kay Sievers
2009-11-20 20:29                                         ` [PATCH] [RFC] Add support for uevents on block device idle changes Matthew Garrett
2009-11-20 20:29                                           ` [PATCH] [RFC] Add support for uevents on block device idle Matthew Garrett
2009-11-22 23:37                   ` [PATCH] [RFC] Add support for uevents on block device idle changes Pavel Machek
2009-11-22 23:37                     ` [PATCH] [RFC] Add support for uevents on block device idle Pavel Machek
2009-11-23 14:12                     ` [PATCH] [RFC] Add support for uevents on block device idle changes Matthew Garrett
2009-11-23 14:12                       ` [PATCH] [RFC] Add support for uevents on block device idle Matthew Garrett
2009-11-23 14:17                     ` [PATCH] [RFC] Add support for uevents on block device idle changes Jens Axboe
2009-11-23 14:17                       ` [PATCH] [RFC] Add support for uevents on block device idle Jens Axboe
2009-11-23 14:25                       ` [PATCH] [RFC] Add support for uevents on block device idle changes Matthew Garrett
2009-11-23 14:25                         ` [PATCH] [RFC] Add support for uevents on block device idle Matthew Garrett
2009-11-23 14:31                         ` [PATCH] [RFC] Add support for uevents on block device idle changes Jens Axboe
2009-11-23 14:31                           ` [PATCH] [RFC] Add support for uevents on block device idle Jens Axboe
2009-11-23 14:42                           ` [PATCH] [RFC] Add support for uevents on block device idle changes Matthew Garrett
2009-11-23 14:42                             ` [PATCH] [RFC] Add support for uevents on block device idle Matthew Garrett
2009-11-23 19:50                             ` [PATCH] [RFC] Add support for uevents on block device idle changes Jens Axboe
2009-11-23 19:50                               ` [PATCH] [RFC] Add support for uevents on block device idle Jens Axboe
2009-11-23 19:54                               ` [PATCH] [RFC] Add support for uevents on block device idle changes Matthew Garrett
2009-11-23 19:54                                 ` [PATCH] [RFC] Add support for uevents on block device idle Matthew Garrett
2009-12-11 21:20                               ` [RFC] Add support for events on block device idle changes Matthew Garrett
2009-11-18 22:10 ` [PATCH] [RFC] Add support for uevents " Bartlomiej Zolnierkiewicz
2009-11-18 22:10   ` Bartlomiej Zolnierkiewicz

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