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From: Christoph Lameter <cl@gentwo.org>
To: "Kirill A. Shutemov" <kirill.shutemov@linux.intel.com>
Cc: Andrew Morton <akpm@linux-foundation.org>,
	Andrea Arcangeli <aarcange@redhat.com>,
	Dave Hansen <dave.hansen@intel.com>,
	Hugh Dickins <hughd@google.com>, Mel Gorman <mgorman@suse.de>,
	Rik van Riel <riel@redhat.com>, Vlastimil Babka <vbabka@suse.cz>,
	linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org, linux-mm@kvack.org
Subject: Re: [PATCH, RFC 00/10] THP refcounting redesign
Date: Tue, 10 Jun 2014 15:25:42 -0500 (CDT)	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <alpine.DEB.2.10.1406101518510.19364@gentwo.org> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <1402329861-7037-1-git-send-email-kirill.shutemov@linux.intel.com>

On Mon, 9 Jun 2014, Kirill A. Shutemov wrote:

> To be able to split huge page at any point we have to track which tail
> page was pinned. It leads to tricky and expensive get_page() on tail pages
> and also occupy tail_page->_mapcount.

Maybe we should give up the requirement to be able to split a huge page at
any point? This got us into the mess AFAICT. Instead we could use the
locking mechanisms that we have to stop all access to the page and then do
the conversion? Page migration can do that so it should be fine with
refcounting for huge pages exclusively in the head page exactly like a
regular page.

The problem is then dealing with the locations where we now do rely on
the ability to split at "any point" (notion is weird in itself and
suggests issues with synchronization). Use the standard locking schemes
for pages instead?

I thought the idea was that we would modify the relevant code and
that at some point this requirement could go away?

Huge pages (and other larger order pages) will become increasingly
difficult to handle if relevant page state has to be maintained in tail
pages and if it differs significantly from regular pages.


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From: Christoph Lameter <cl@gentwo.org>
To: "Kirill A. Shutemov" <kirill.shutemov@linux.intel.com>
Cc: Andrew Morton <akpm@linux-foundation.org>,
	Andrea Arcangeli <aarcange@redhat.com>,
	Dave Hansen <dave.hansen@intel.com>,
	Hugh Dickins <hughd@google.com>, Mel Gorman <mgorman@suse.de>,
	Rik van Riel <riel@redhat.com>, Vlastimil Babka <vbabka@suse.cz>,
	linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org, linux-mm@kvack.org
Subject: Re: [PATCH, RFC 00/10] THP refcounting redesign
Date: Tue, 10 Jun 2014 15:25:42 -0500 (CDT)	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <alpine.DEB.2.10.1406101518510.19364@gentwo.org> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <1402329861-7037-1-git-send-email-kirill.shutemov@linux.intel.com>

On Mon, 9 Jun 2014, Kirill A. Shutemov wrote:

> To be able to split huge page at any point we have to track which tail
> page was pinned. It leads to tricky and expensive get_page() on tail pages
> and also occupy tail_page->_mapcount.

Maybe we should give up the requirement to be able to split a huge page at
any point? This got us into the mess AFAICT. Instead we could use the
locking mechanisms that we have to stop all access to the page and then do
the conversion? Page migration can do that so it should be fine with
refcounting for huge pages exclusively in the head page exactly like a
regular page.

The problem is then dealing with the locations where we now do rely on
the ability to split at "any point" (notion is weird in itself and
suggests issues with synchronization). Use the standard locking schemes
for pages instead?

I thought the idea was that we would modify the relevant code and
that at some point this requirement could go away?

Huge pages (and other larger order pages) will become increasingly
difficult to handle if relevant page state has to be maintained in tail
pages and if it differs significantly from regular pages.

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  parent reply	other threads:[~2014-06-10 20:25 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 44+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2014-06-09 16:04 [PATCH, RFC 00/10] THP refcounting redesign Kirill A. Shutemov
2014-06-09 16:04 ` Kirill A. Shutemov
2014-06-09 16:04 ` [PATCH, RFC 01/10] mm, thp: drop FOLL_SPLIT Kirill A. Shutemov
2014-06-09 16:04   ` Kirill A. Shutemov
2014-06-09 16:04 ` [PATCH, RFC 02/10] mm: change PageAnon() to work on tail pages Kirill A. Shutemov
2014-06-09 16:04   ` Kirill A. Shutemov
2014-06-09 16:04 ` [PATCH, RFC 03/10] thp: rename split_huge_page_pmd() to split_huge_pmd() Kirill A. Shutemov
2014-06-09 16:04   ` Kirill A. Shutemov
2014-06-09 16:04 ` [PATCH, RFC 04/10] thp: PMD splitting without splitting compound page Kirill A. Shutemov
2014-06-09 16:04   ` Kirill A. Shutemov
2014-06-09 16:04 ` [PATCH, RFC 05/10] mm, vmstats: new THP splitting event Kirill A. Shutemov
2014-06-09 16:04   ` Kirill A. Shutemov
2014-06-09 16:04 ` [PATCH, RFC 06/10] thp: implement new split_huge_page() Kirill A. Shutemov
2014-06-09 16:04   ` Kirill A. Shutemov
2014-06-09 16:04 ` [PATCH, RFC 07/10] mm, thp: remove infrastructure for handling splitting PMDs Kirill A. Shutemov
2014-06-09 16:04   ` Kirill A. Shutemov
2014-06-09 16:04 ` [PATCH, RFC 08/10] x86, thp: remove " Kirill A. Shutemov
2014-06-09 16:04   ` Kirill A. Shutemov
2014-06-09 16:04 ` [PATCH, RFC 09/10] futex, thp: remove special case for THP in get_futex_key Kirill A. Shutemov
2014-06-09 16:04   ` Kirill A. Shutemov
2014-06-09 16:04 ` [PATCH, RFC 10/10] thp: update documentation Kirill A. Shutemov
2014-06-09 16:04   ` Kirill A. Shutemov
2014-06-10  8:10 ` [PATCH, RFC 00/10] THP refcounting redesign Vlastimil Babka
2014-06-10  8:10   ` Vlastimil Babka
2014-06-10 13:52   ` Kirill A. Shutemov
2014-06-10 13:52     ` Kirill A. Shutemov
2014-06-10 14:29     ` Andrea Arcangeli
2014-06-10 14:29       ` Andrea Arcangeli
2014-06-10 15:24       ` Kirill A. Shutemov
2014-06-10 15:24         ` Kirill A. Shutemov
2014-06-10 20:25 ` Christoph Lameter [this message]
2014-06-10 20:25   ` Christoph Lameter
2014-06-10 20:46   ` Kirill A. Shutemov
2014-06-10 20:46     ` Kirill A. Shutemov
2014-06-10 21:21     ` Christoph Lameter
2014-06-10 21:21       ` Christoph Lameter
2014-06-10 22:04     ` Andrea Arcangeli
2014-06-10 22:04       ` Andrea Arcangeli
2014-06-10 22:14       ` Kirill A. Shutemov
2014-06-10 22:14         ` Kirill A. Shutemov
2014-06-10 22:37         ` Andrea Arcangeli
2014-06-10 22:37           ` Andrea Arcangeli
2014-06-10 21:58   ` Andrea Arcangeli
2014-06-10 21:58     ` Andrea Arcangeli

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