From: Jamie Lentin <jm@lentin.co.uk> To: Andrew Lunn <andrew@lunn.ch> Cc: Jason Cooper <jason@lakedaemon.net>, Arnd Bergmann <arnd@arndb.de>, Vivien Didelot <vivien.didelot@savoirfairelinux.com>, devicetree@vger.kernel.org, Gregory Clement <gregory.clement@free-electrons.com>, Imre Kaloz <kaloz@openwrt.org>, linux-arm-kernel@lists.infradead.org, Sebastian Hesselbarth <sebastian.hesselbarth@gmail.com> Subject: Re: [PATCH 0/8] Convert Netgear WNR854T to devicetree Date: Fri, 26 Aug 2016 17:50:33 +0100 (BST) [thread overview] Message-ID: <alpine.DEB.2.11.1608261703460.19980@marmot.wormnet.eu> (raw) In-Reply-To: <20160826143358.GI25046@lunn.ch> On Fri, 26 Aug 2016, Andrew Lunn wrote: >>> - the factory layout gives you almost no space to play with > > Given that the kernel has grown in size over the years, does the > mainline kernel fit in the factory layout? The factory layout has a 6MB JFFS2 for root & uImage (uboot mounts it by default) + 1MB miscellany. So the main restriction on kernel size is the size of your userland. The non-DT mainline layout is 1MB JFFS2 for uImage + 7MB rootfs. Which is a closer approximation to other devices with a uImage in it's own partition. >> Of course, one could also argue I'm breaking backwards compatibility >> at this point by changing it, so maybe I should put it back. > > I don't mind breaking backwards compatibility, if the factory defaults > no longer actually work..... > > Also, lets think about the users here. This is a very old box. Anybody > playing with one are probably of the sort who tinker with a classic > car in the garage, taking the engine apart and putting it back > together again. I doubt there are users of this box who take their car > in for a service once they are out of windscreen washing water. My line of thinking was that the only people that will see this default partition scheme are people that have just compiled a mainline kernel and booted it to see what happens. At which point you probably still have the Netgear image in Flash. If you had OpenWRT in Flash then in all likelihood you'd already be using an OpenWRT kernel too, with it's own flash layout. Finally, you could have rolled your own userland and put that on Flash, but by then you should know enough to do what you like :) > > Andrew > -- Jamie Lentin
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From: jm@lentin.co.uk (Jamie Lentin) To: linux-arm-kernel@lists.infradead.org Subject: [PATCH 0/8] Convert Netgear WNR854T to devicetree Date: Fri, 26 Aug 2016 17:50:33 +0100 (BST) [thread overview] Message-ID: <alpine.DEB.2.11.1608261703460.19980@marmot.wormnet.eu> (raw) In-Reply-To: <20160826143358.GI25046@lunn.ch> On Fri, 26 Aug 2016, Andrew Lunn wrote: >>> - the factory layout gives you almost no space to play with > > Given that the kernel has grown in size over the years, does the > mainline kernel fit in the factory layout? The factory layout has a 6MB JFFS2 for root & uImage (uboot mounts it by default) + 1MB miscellany. So the main restriction on kernel size is the size of your userland. The non-DT mainline layout is 1MB JFFS2 for uImage + 7MB rootfs. Which is a closer approximation to other devices with a uImage in it's own partition. >> Of course, one could also argue I'm breaking backwards compatibility >> at this point by changing it, so maybe I should put it back. > > I don't mind breaking backwards compatibility, if the factory defaults > no longer actually work..... > > Also, lets think about the users here. This is a very old box. Anybody > playing with one are probably of the sort who tinker with a classic > car in the garage, taking the engine apart and putting it back > together again. I doubt there are users of this box who take their car > in for a service once they are out of windscreen washing water. My line of thinking was that the only people that will see this default partition scheme are people that have just compiled a mainline kernel and booted it to see what happens. At which point you probably still have the Netgear image in Flash. If you had OpenWRT in Flash then in all likelihood you'd already be using an OpenWRT kernel too, with it's own flash layout. Finally, you could have rolled your own userland and put that on Flash, but by then you should know enough to do what you like :) > > Andrew > -- Jamie Lentin
next prev parent reply other threads:[~2016-08-26 16:50 UTC|newest] Thread overview: 179+ messages / expand[flat|nested] mbox.gz Atom feed top 2016-07-16 14:28 [PATCH v0 00/10] Convert Netgear WNR854T to devicetree Jamie Lentin 2016-07-16 14:28 ` Jamie Lentin 2016-07-16 14:28 ` Jamie Lentin 2016-07-16 14:28 ` [PATCH v0 01/10] arm: orion5x: Add required properties for orion-wdt to DT node Jamie Lentin 2016-07-16 14:28 ` Jamie Lentin 2016-07-16 14:28 ` Jamie Lentin 2016-07-16 16:03 ` Andrew Lunn 2016-07-16 16:03 ` Andrew Lunn 2016-07-16 14:29 ` [PATCH v0 02/10] arm: orion5x: Add documentation for SoC and board bindings Jamie Lentin 2016-07-16 14:29 ` Jamie Lentin 2016-07-16 14:29 ` Jamie Lentin 2016-07-16 16:05 ` Andrew Lunn 2016-07-16 16:05 ` Andrew Lunn 2016-07-16 16:05 ` Andrew Lunn 2016-07-17 20:35 ` Rob Herring 2016-07-17 20:35 ` Rob Herring 2016-07-17 20:35 ` Rob Herring 2016-07-16 14:29 ` [PATCH v0 03/10] arm: orion5x: Add clk support for mv88f5181 Jamie Lentin 2016-07-16 14:29 ` Jamie Lentin 2016-07-16 14:29 ` Jamie Lentin 2016-07-16 16:10 ` Andrew Lunn 2016-07-16 16:10 ` Andrew Lunn 2016-07-16 16:10 ` Andrew Lunn 2016-07-16 17:34 ` Sergei Shtylyov 2016-07-16 17:34 ` Sergei Shtylyov 2016-07-16 17:34 ` Sergei Shtylyov 2016-07-17 20:36 ` Rob Herring 2016-07-17 20:36 ` Rob Herring 2016-07-17 20:36 ` Rob Herring 2016-07-16 14:29 ` [PATCH v0 04/10] arm: orion5x: Generalise mv88f5181l pinctrl support for 88f5181 Jamie Lentin 2016-07-16 14:29 ` Jamie Lentin 2016-07-16 14:29 ` Jamie Lentin 2016-07-16 16:15 ` Andrew Lunn 2016-07-16 16:15 ` Andrew Lunn 2016-07-17 20:40 ` Rob Herring 2016-07-17 20:40 ` Rob Herring 2016-07-17 20:40 ` Rob Herring 2016-07-16 14:29 ` [PATCH v0 05/10] arm: orion5x: Add DT include for mv88f5181 Jamie Lentin 2016-07-16 14:29 ` Jamie Lentin 2016-07-16 14:29 ` Jamie Lentin 2016-07-16 16:17 ` Andrew Lunn 2016-07-16 16:17 ` Andrew Lunn 2016-07-16 16:17 ` Andrew Lunn 2016-07-17 20:41 ` Rob Herring 2016-07-17 20:41 ` Rob Herring 2016-07-16 14:29 ` [PATCH v0 06/10] arm: orion5x: Add DT-based support for Netgear WNR854T Jamie Lentin 2016-07-16 14:29 ` Jamie Lentin 2016-07-16 14:29 ` Jamie Lentin 2016-07-16 16:34 ` Andrew Lunn 2016-07-16 16:34 ` Andrew Lunn 2016-07-16 16:34 ` Andrew Lunn 2016-07-16 16:39 ` Andrew Lunn 2016-07-16 16:39 ` Andrew Lunn 2016-07-16 19:10 ` Arnd Bergmann 2016-07-16 19:10 ` Arnd Bergmann 2016-07-17 9:39 ` Jamie Lentin 2016-07-17 9:39 ` Jamie Lentin 2016-07-17 9:39 ` Jamie Lentin 2016-07-17 20:41 ` Arnd Bergmann 2016-07-17 20:41 ` Arnd Bergmann 2016-07-18 9:44 ` Thomas Petazzoni 2016-07-18 9:44 ` Thomas Petazzoni 2016-07-18 10:06 ` Arnd Bergmann 2016-07-18 10:06 ` Arnd Bergmann 2016-07-18 10:06 ` Arnd Bergmann 2016-07-19 9:40 ` Jamie Lentin 2016-07-19 9:40 ` Jamie Lentin 2016-07-19 9:46 ` Arnd Bergmann 2016-07-19 9:46 ` Arnd Bergmann 2016-07-17 20:51 ` Rob Herring 2016-07-17 20:51 ` Rob Herring 2016-07-19 9:46 ` Jamie Lentin 2016-07-19 9:46 ` Jamie Lentin 2016-07-19 9:46 ` Jamie Lentin 2016-07-16 14:29 ` [PATCH v0 07/10] arm: orion5x: Remove old non-DT-based WNR854T support Jamie Lentin 2016-07-16 14:29 ` Jamie Lentin 2016-07-16 14:29 ` Jamie Lentin 2016-07-16 16:36 ` Andrew Lunn 2016-07-16 16:36 ` Andrew Lunn 2016-07-16 14:29 ` [PATCH v0 08/10] net: phy: Try looking for a phy-handle property to find the OF node Jamie Lentin 2016-07-16 14:29 ` Jamie Lentin 2016-07-16 14:29 ` Jamie Lentin 2016-07-16 16:44 ` Andrew Lunn 2016-07-16 16:44 ` Andrew Lunn 2016-07-16 14:29 ` [PATCH v0 09/10] net: phy: Re-attempt custom DT configuration after configuration Jamie Lentin 2016-07-16 14:29 ` Jamie Lentin 2016-07-16 14:29 ` Jamie Lentin 2016-07-16 16:44 ` Andrew Lunn 2016-07-16 16:44 ` Andrew Lunn 2016-07-16 16:44 ` Andrew Lunn 2016-07-16 14:29 ` [PATCH v0 10/10] arm: orion5x: Configure Netgear WNR854T network port LEDs Jamie Lentin 2016-07-16 14:29 ` Jamie Lentin 2016-07-16 14:29 ` Jamie Lentin 2016-07-16 20:53 ` [PATCH v0 00/10] Convert Netgear WNR854T to devicetree Andrew Lunn 2016-07-16 20:53 ` Andrew Lunn 2016-07-17 12:52 ` Jamie Lentin 2016-07-17 12:52 ` Jamie Lentin 2016-07-17 15:33 ` Andrew Lunn 2016-07-17 15:33 ` Andrew Lunn 2016-07-19 9:33 ` Jamie Lentin 2016-07-19 9:33 ` Jamie Lentin 2016-07-19 14:01 ` Andrew Lunn 2016-07-19 14:01 ` Andrew Lunn 2016-07-19 14:16 ` Andrew Lunn 2016-07-19 15:04 ` Vivien Didelot [not found] ` <1468679348-10522-1-git-send-email-jm-Pj/HzkgeCk7QXOPxS62xeg@public.gmane.org> 2016-08-26 9:20 ` [PATCH 0/8] " Jamie Lentin 2016-08-26 9:20 ` Jamie Lentin [not found] ` <1472203264-21089-1-git-send-email-jm-Pj/HzkgeCk7QXOPxS62xeg@public.gmane.org> 2016-08-26 9:20 ` [PATCH 1/8] arm: orion5x: Add documentation for SoC and board bindings Jamie Lentin 2016-08-26 9:20 ` Jamie Lentin 2016-08-26 9:20 ` [PATCH 2/8] arm: orion5x: Add clk support for mv88f5181 Jamie Lentin 2016-08-26 9:20 ` Jamie Lentin [not found] ` <1472203264-21089-3-git-send-email-jm-Pj/HzkgeCk7QXOPxS62xeg@public.gmane.org> 2016-08-26 11:34 ` LABBE Corentin 2016-08-26 11:34 ` LABBE Corentin 2016-08-26 12:24 ` Jamie Lentin 2016-08-26 12:24 ` Jamie Lentin 2016-08-26 14:24 ` Andrew Lunn 2016-08-26 14:24 ` Andrew Lunn 2016-08-26 9:20 ` [PATCH 3/8] arm: orion5x: Generalise mv88f5181l pinctrl support for 88f5181 Jamie Lentin 2016-08-26 9:20 ` Jamie Lentin 2016-08-26 9:21 ` [PATCH 4/8] arm: orion5x: Alias uart0 to serial0 for all orion5x Jamie Lentin 2016-08-26 9:21 ` Jamie Lentin [not found] ` <1472203264-21089-5-git-send-email-jm-Pj/HzkgeCk7QXOPxS62xeg@public.gmane.org> 2016-08-26 14:54 ` Andrew Lunn 2016-08-26 14:54 ` Andrew Lunn 2016-09-12 21:12 ` Arnd Bergmann 2016-09-12 21:12 ` Arnd Bergmann 2016-08-26 9:21 ` [PATCH 5/8] arm: orion5x: Add DT include for mv88f5181 Jamie Lentin 2016-08-26 9:21 ` Jamie Lentin [not found] ` <1472203264-21089-6-git-send-email-jm-Pj/HzkgeCk7QXOPxS62xeg@public.gmane.org> 2016-08-26 14:55 ` Andrew Lunn 2016-08-26 14:55 ` Andrew Lunn 2016-08-31 15:15 ` Rob Herring 2016-08-31 15:15 ` Rob Herring 2016-08-26 9:21 ` [PATCH 6/8] arm: orion5x: Add DT-based support for Netgear WNR854T Jamie Lentin 2016-08-26 9:21 ` Jamie Lentin [not found] ` <1472203264-21089-7-git-send-email-jm-Pj/HzkgeCk7QXOPxS62xeg@public.gmane.org> 2016-08-31 15:26 ` Rob Herring 2016-08-31 15:26 ` Rob Herring 2016-09-05 21:07 ` [PATCH 6/8 v2] " Jamie Lentin 2016-09-05 21:07 ` Jamie Lentin [not found] ` <1473109646-23366-1-git-send-email-jm-Pj/HzkgeCk7QXOPxS62xeg@public.gmane.org> 2016-09-08 12:41 ` Gregory CLEMENT 2016-09-08 12:41 ` Gregory CLEMENT [not found] ` <87d1kebm2o.fsf-wi1+55ScJUtKEb57/3fJTNBPR1lH4CV8@public.gmane.org> 2016-09-08 16:47 ` Jamie Lentin 2016-09-08 16:47 ` Jamie Lentin 2016-09-12 17:06 ` Rob Herring 2016-09-12 17:06 ` Rob Herring 2016-09-12 21:13 ` Arnd Bergmann 2016-09-12 21:13 ` Arnd Bergmann 2016-09-12 21:19 ` Arnd Bergmann 2016-09-12 21:19 ` Arnd Bergmann 2016-09-12 22:03 ` Andrew Lunn 2016-09-12 22:03 ` Andrew Lunn [not found] ` <20160912220344.GM11400-g2DYL2Zd6BY@public.gmane.org> 2016-09-13 9:10 ` Jamie Lentin 2016-09-13 9:10 ` Jamie Lentin [not found] ` <88e40f0c6cafec244dc16af5a03cfb44-SBYVURHw+sBNwP/n92qj9LVCufUGDwFn@public.gmane.org> 2016-09-13 12:36 ` Andrew Lunn 2016-09-13 12:36 ` Andrew Lunn [not found] ` <20160913123639.GB15332-g2DYL2Zd6BY@public.gmane.org> 2016-09-13 14:15 ` Jamie Lentin 2016-09-13 14:15 ` Jamie Lentin [not found] ` <b7d442f9d26249976d7698b6a32db2a3-SBYVURHw+sBNwP/n92qj9LVCufUGDwFn@public.gmane.org> 2016-09-13 19:16 ` Gregory CLEMENT 2016-09-13 19:16 ` Gregory CLEMENT [not found] ` <87r38nehkj.fsf-wi1+55ScJUtKEb57/3fJTNBPR1lH4CV8@public.gmane.org> 2016-09-13 20:39 ` Arnd Bergmann 2016-09-13 20:39 ` Arnd Bergmann 2016-08-26 9:21 ` [PATCH 7/8] arm: orion5x: Remove old non-DT-based WNR854T support Jamie Lentin 2016-08-26 9:21 ` Jamie Lentin [not found] ` <1472203264-21089-8-git-send-email-jm-Pj/HzkgeCk7QXOPxS62xeg@public.gmane.org> 2016-08-26 14:59 ` Andrew Lunn 2016-08-26 14:59 ` Andrew Lunn 2016-08-26 9:21 ` [PATCH 8/8] arm: orion5x: Configure WNR854T ethernet PHY LEDs Jamie Lentin 2016-08-26 9:21 ` Jamie Lentin [not found] ` <1472203264-21089-9-git-send-email-jm-Pj/HzkgeCk7QXOPxS62xeg@public.gmane.org> 2016-08-26 15:05 ` Andrew Lunn 2016-08-26 15:05 ` Andrew Lunn 2016-08-26 15:05 ` Andrew Lunn 2016-08-26 15:05 ` Andrew Lunn 2016-08-26 12:09 ` [PATCH 0/8] Convert Netgear WNR854T to devicetree Imre Kaloz 2016-08-26 12:09 ` Imre Kaloz 2016-08-26 12:56 ` Jamie Lentin 2016-08-26 12:56 ` Jamie Lentin [not found] ` <alpine.DEB.2.11.1608261325310.19980-5X291BYdrx55rAo4AelP/Ydd74u8MsAO@public.gmane.org> 2016-08-26 14:33 ` Andrew Lunn 2016-08-26 14:33 ` Andrew Lunn 2016-08-26 16:50 ` Jamie Lentin [this message] 2016-08-26 16:50 ` Jamie Lentin [not found] ` <alpine.DEB.2.11.1608261703460.19980-5X291BYdrx55rAo4AelP/Ydd74u8MsAO@public.gmane.org> 2016-08-26 20:30 ` Imre Kaloz 2016-08-26 20:30 ` Imre Kaloz
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