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From: Thomas Gleixner <tglx@linutronix.de>
To: Steven Rostedt <rostedt@goodmis.org>
Cc: Greg KH <gregkh@linuxfoundation.org>,
	"ksummit-discuss@lists.linuxfoundation.org"
	<ksummit-discuss@lists.linuxfoundation.org>
Subject: Re: [Ksummit-discuss] [MAINTAINER SUMMIT] Stable trees and release time
Date: Thu, 6 Sep 2018 10:48:42 +0200 (CEST)	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <alpine.DEB.2.21.1809061046110.1416@nanos.tec.linutronix.de> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <20180905111849.1d08653c@gandalf.local.home>

On Wed, 5 Sep 2018, Steven Rostedt wrote:
> It's not the distros that need convincing, it's the vendors that pay to
> have it done. When I first started at Red Hat and was told about the
> "Stable Kernel ABI", the person telling me about this (a very
> established kernel developer) also said "Yeah it really sucks, but
> companies are willing to pay a shite load of money to have it done". And
> it's in the distros best interest to get that shite load of money. It
> also funds the same developers to do this work, and hopefully continue
> to help upstream as well.
> 
> If we remove that nasty work, these companies wont need to continue
> paying that shite load anymore, and they may not be able to afford
> paying these talented developers.

Come on. Unless you have hard evidence for this, you are merily
proliferating a decades old distro fairy tale.

Seriously, those old kernels are part of the revenue stream, but if any
vendors engineering investment, which is securing the future, depends on
this, then the company is close to the state of the dead kernels.

Thanks,

	tglx

  reply	other threads:[~2018-09-06  8:48 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 74+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2018-09-04 20:58 [Ksummit-discuss] [MAINTAINER SUMMIT] Stable trees and release time Laura Abbott
2018-09-04 21:12 ` Jiri Kosina
2018-09-05 14:31   ` Greg KH
2018-09-04 21:22 ` Justin Forbes
2018-09-05 14:42   ` Greg KH
2018-09-05 15:10     ` Mark Brown
2018-09-05 15:10     ` Sasha Levin
2018-09-05 16:19     ` Guenter Roeck
2018-09-05 18:31     ` Laura Abbott
2018-09-05 21:23     ` Justin Forbes
2018-09-06  2:17     ` Eduardo Valentin
2018-09-04 21:33 ` Sasha Levin
2018-09-04 21:55   ` Guenter Roeck
2018-09-04 22:03     ` Laura Abbott
2018-09-04 23:14       ` Sasha Levin
2018-09-04 23:43         ` Guenter Roeck
2018-09-05  1:17           ` Laura Abbott
2018-09-06  3:56             ` Benjamin Gilbert
2018-09-04 21:58   ` Laura Abbott
2018-09-05  4:53     ` Sasha Levin
2018-09-05  6:48   ` Jiri Kosina
2018-09-05  8:16     ` Jan Kara
2018-09-05  8:32       ` Jiri Kosina
2018-09-05  8:56         ` Greg KH
2018-09-05  9:13           ` Geert Uytterhoeven
2018-09-05  9:33             ` Greg KH
2018-09-05 10:11           ` Mark Brown
2018-09-05 14:44             ` Steven Rostedt
2018-09-05  9:58         ` James Bottomley
2018-09-05 10:47           ` Mark Brown
2018-09-05 12:24             ` James Bottomley
2018-09-05 12:53               ` Jiri Kosina
2018-09-05 13:05                 ` Greg KH
2018-09-05 13:15                   ` Jiri Kosina
2018-09-05 14:00                     ` Greg KH
2018-09-05 14:06                     ` Sasha Levin
2018-09-05 21:02                       ` Jiri Kosina
2018-09-05 16:39                 ` James Bottomley
2018-09-05 17:06                   ` Dmitry Torokhov
2018-09-05 17:33                   ` Steven Rostedt
2018-09-05 13:03               ` Takashi Iwai
2018-09-05 13:27                 ` Daniel Vetter
2018-09-05 14:05                   ` Greg KH
2018-09-05 15:54                     ` Daniel Vetter
2018-09-05 16:19                       ` Sasha Levin
2018-09-05 16:26                         ` Daniel Vetter
2018-09-05 19:09                           ` Sasha Levin
2018-09-05 20:18                             ` Sasha Levin
2018-09-05 20:33                               ` Daniel Vetter
2018-09-05 14:20                 ` Sasha Levin
2018-09-05 14:30                   ` Takashi Iwai
2018-09-05 14:41                     ` Sasha Levin
2018-09-05 14:46                       ` Takashi Iwai
2018-09-05 14:54                         ` Sasha Levin
2018-09-05 15:12                           ` Takashi Iwai
2018-09-05 15:19                           ` Thomas Gleixner
2018-09-05 15:29                             ` Sasha Levin
2018-09-05 13:16               ` Mark Brown
2018-09-05 14:27                 ` Sasha Levin
2018-09-05 14:50                   ` Mark Brown
2018-09-05 15:00                     ` Sasha Levin
2018-09-05 10:28       ` Thomas Gleixner
2018-09-05 11:20         ` Jiri Kosina
2018-09-05 14:41           ` Thomas Gleixner
2018-09-05 15:18             ` Steven Rostedt
2018-09-06  8:48               ` Thomas Gleixner [this message]
2018-09-06 12:47                 ` Thomas Gleixner
2018-09-04 21:49 ` Guenter Roeck
2018-09-04 22:06   ` Laura Abbott
2018-09-04 23:35     ` Guenter Roeck
2018-09-05  1:45       ` Laura Abbott
2018-09-05  2:54         ` Guenter Roeck
2018-09-05  8:31           ` Jan Kara
2018-09-05  3:44 ` Eduardo Valentin

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