From: Linus Torvalds <torvalds@linux-foundation.org>
To: Arjan van de Ven <arjan@infradead.org>
Cc: Christoph Lameter <cl@linux-foundation.org>,
Peter Zijlstra <a.p.zijlstra@chello.nl>,
"Paul E. McKenney" <paulmck@linux.vnet.ibm.com>,
Peter Zijlstra <peterz@infradead.org>,
KAMEZAWA Hiroyuki <kamezawa.hiroyu@jp.fujitsu.com>,
"linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org" <linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org>,
"linux-mm@kvack.org" <linux-mm@kvack.org>,
"minchan.kim@gmail.com" <minchan.kim@gmail.com>,
"hugh.dickins" <hugh.dickins@tiscali.co.uk>,
Nick Piggin <nickpiggin@yahoo.com.au>,
Ingo Molnar <mingo@elte.hu>
Subject: Re: [RFC][PATCH 6/8] mm: handle_speculative_fault()
Date: Thu, 7 Jan 2010 21:00:34 -0800 (PST) [thread overview]
Message-ID: <alpine.LFD.2.00.1001072058010.7821@localhost.localdomain> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <20100107204940.253ed753@infradead.org>
On Thu, 7 Jan 2010, Arjan van de Ven wrote:
>
> if an app has to change because our kernel sucks (for no good reason),
> "change the app" really is the lame type of answer.
Well, in all fairness, I doubt other kernels do any better. So changing
the app is likely to help in general, and thus be at least part of the
right solution.
But as outlined, we _can_ almost certainly do better on many simple and
common cases, so changing the kernel - in addition to fixing app memory
allocation patterns - sounds like a good avenue.
Linus
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From: Linus Torvalds <torvalds@linux-foundation.org>
To: Arjan van de Ven <arjan@infradead.org>
Cc: Christoph Lameter <cl@linux-foundation.org>,
Peter Zijlstra <a.p.zijlstra@chello.nl>,
"Paul E. McKenney" <paulmck@linux.vnet.ibm.com>,
Peter Zijlstra <peterz@infradead.org>,
KAMEZAWA Hiroyuki <kamezawa.hiroyu@jp.fujitsu.com>,
"linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org" <linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org>,
"linux-mm@kvack.org" <linux-mm@kvack.org>,
"minchan.kim@gmail.com" <minchan.kim@gmail.com>,
"hugh.dickins" <hugh.dickins@tiscali.co.uk>,
Nick Piggin <nickpiggin@yahoo.com.au>,
Ingo Molnar <mingo@elte.hu>
Subject: Re: [RFC][PATCH 6/8] mm: handle_speculative_fault()
Date: Thu, 7 Jan 2010 21:00:34 -0800 (PST) [thread overview]
Message-ID: <alpine.LFD.2.00.1001072058010.7821@localhost.localdomain> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <20100107204940.253ed753@infradead.org>
On Thu, 7 Jan 2010, Arjan van de Ven wrote:
>
> if an app has to change because our kernel sucks (for no good reason),
> "change the app" really is the lame type of answer.
Well, in all fairness, I doubt other kernels do any better. So changing
the app is likely to help in general, and thus be at least part of the
right solution.
But as outlined, we _can_ almost certainly do better on many simple and
common cases, so changing the kernel - in addition to fixing app memory
allocation patterns - sounds like a good avenue.
Linus
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2010-01-04 18:24 [RFC][PATCH 0/8] Speculative pagefault -v3 Peter Zijlstra
2010-01-04 18:24 ` Peter Zijlstra
2010-01-04 18:24 ` [RFC][PATCH 1/8] mm: Remove pte reference from fault path Peter Zijlstra
2010-01-04 18:24 ` Peter Zijlstra
2010-01-04 18:24 ` [RFC][PATCH 2/8] mm: Speculative pagefault infrastructure Peter Zijlstra
2010-01-04 18:24 ` Peter Zijlstra
2010-01-04 18:24 ` [RFC][PATCH 3/8] mm: Add vma sequence count Peter Zijlstra
2010-01-04 18:24 ` Peter Zijlstra
2010-01-04 18:24 ` [RFC][PATCH 4/8] mm: RCU free vmas Peter Zijlstra
2010-01-04 18:24 ` Peter Zijlstra
2010-01-05 2:43 ` Paul E. McKenney
2010-01-05 2:43 ` Paul E. McKenney
2010-01-05 8:28 ` Peter Zijlstra
2010-01-05 8:28 ` Peter Zijlstra
2010-01-05 16:05 ` Paul E. McKenney
2010-01-05 16:05 ` Paul E. McKenney
2010-01-04 18:24 ` [RFC][PATCH 5/8] mm: Speculative pte_map_lock() Peter Zijlstra
2010-01-04 18:24 ` Peter Zijlstra
2010-01-04 18:24 ` [RFC][PATCH 6/8] mm: handle_speculative_fault() Peter Zijlstra
2010-01-04 18:24 ` Peter Zijlstra
2010-01-05 0:25 ` KAMEZAWA Hiroyuki
2010-01-05 0:25 ` KAMEZAWA Hiroyuki
2010-01-05 3:13 ` Linus Torvalds
2010-01-05 3:13 ` Linus Torvalds
2010-01-05 8:17 ` Peter Zijlstra
2010-01-05 8:17 ` Peter Zijlstra
2010-01-05 8:57 ` Peter Zijlstra
2010-01-05 8:57 ` Peter Zijlstra
2010-01-05 15:34 ` Linus Torvalds
2010-01-05 15:34 ` Linus Torvalds
2010-01-05 15:40 ` Al Viro
2010-01-05 15:40 ` Al Viro
2010-01-05 16:10 ` Linus Torvalds
2010-01-05 16:10 ` Linus Torvalds
2010-01-06 15:41 ` Peter Zijlstra
2010-01-06 15:41 ` Peter Zijlstra
2010-01-05 9:37 ` Peter Zijlstra
2010-01-05 9:37 ` Peter Zijlstra
2010-01-05 23:35 ` Linus Torvalds
2010-01-05 23:35 ` Linus Torvalds
2010-01-05 4:29 ` Minchan Kim
2010-01-05 4:29 ` Minchan Kim
2010-01-05 4:43 ` KAMEZAWA Hiroyuki
2010-01-05 4:43 ` KAMEZAWA Hiroyuki
2010-01-05 5:10 ` Linus Torvalds
2010-01-05 5:10 ` Linus Torvalds
2010-01-05 5:30 ` KAMEZAWA Hiroyuki
2010-01-05 5:30 ` KAMEZAWA Hiroyuki
2010-01-05 7:39 ` KAMEZAWA Hiroyuki
2010-01-05 15:26 ` Linus Torvalds
2010-01-05 15:26 ` Linus Torvalds
2010-01-05 16:14 ` Linus Torvalds
2010-01-05 16:14 ` Linus Torvalds
2010-01-05 17:25 ` Andi Kleen
2010-01-05 17:25 ` Andi Kleen
2010-01-05 17:47 ` Christoph Lameter
2010-01-05 17:47 ` Christoph Lameter
2010-01-05 18:00 ` Andi Kleen
2010-01-05 18:00 ` Andi Kleen
2010-01-05 17:55 ` Linus Torvalds
2010-01-05 17:55 ` Linus Torvalds
2010-01-05 18:13 ` Christoph Lameter
2010-01-05 18:13 ` Christoph Lameter
2010-01-05 18:25 ` Linus Torvalds
2010-01-05 18:25 ` Linus Torvalds
2010-01-05 18:46 ` Christoph Lameter
2010-01-05 18:46 ` Christoph Lameter
2010-01-05 18:56 ` Linus Torvalds
2010-01-05 18:56 ` Linus Torvalds
2010-01-05 19:15 ` Christoph Lameter
2010-01-05 19:15 ` Christoph Lameter
2010-01-05 19:28 ` Linus Torvalds
2010-01-05 19:28 ` Linus Torvalds
2010-01-05 18:55 ` Paul E. McKenney
2010-01-05 18:55 ` Paul E. McKenney
2010-01-05 19:08 ` Linus Torvalds
2010-01-05 19:08 ` Linus Torvalds
2010-01-05 19:23 ` Paul E. McKenney
2010-01-05 19:23 ` Paul E. McKenney
2010-01-05 20:29 ` Peter Zijlstra
2010-01-05 20:29 ` Peter Zijlstra
2010-01-05 20:46 ` Linus Torvalds
2010-01-05 20:46 ` Linus Torvalds
2010-01-05 21:00 ` Linus Torvalds
2010-01-05 21:00 ` Linus Torvalds
2010-01-05 23:29 ` Paul E. McKenney
2010-01-05 23:29 ` Paul E. McKenney
2010-01-06 0:22 ` KAMEZAWA Hiroyuki
2010-01-06 0:22 ` KAMEZAWA Hiroyuki
2010-01-06 1:37 ` Linus Torvalds
2010-01-06 1:37 ` Linus Torvalds
2010-01-06 2:52 ` KAMEZAWA Hiroyuki
2010-01-06 2:52 ` KAMEZAWA Hiroyuki
2010-01-06 3:27 ` Linus Torvalds
2010-01-06 3:27 ` Linus Torvalds
2010-01-06 3:56 ` KAMEZAWA Hiroyuki
2010-01-06 3:56 ` KAMEZAWA Hiroyuki
2010-01-06 4:20 ` Linus Torvalds
2010-01-06 4:20 ` Linus Torvalds
2010-01-06 7:06 ` KAMEZAWA Hiroyuki
2010-01-06 7:49 ` Minchan Kim
2010-01-06 7:49 ` Minchan Kim
2010-01-06 9:39 ` Linus Torvalds
2010-01-06 9:39 ` Linus Torvalds
2010-01-07 1:00 ` KAMEZAWA Hiroyuki
2010-01-07 1:00 ` KAMEZAWA Hiroyuki
2010-01-08 16:53 ` Peter Zijlstra
2010-01-08 16:53 ` Peter Zijlstra
2010-01-08 17:22 ` Linus Torvalds
2010-01-08 17:22 ` Linus Torvalds
2010-01-08 17:43 ` Christoph Lameter
2010-01-08 17:43 ` Christoph Lameter
2010-01-08 17:52 ` Linus Torvalds
2010-01-08 17:52 ` Linus Torvalds
2010-01-08 18:33 ` Christoph Lameter
2010-01-08 18:33 ` Christoph Lameter
2010-01-08 18:46 ` Andi Kleen
2010-01-08 18:46 ` Andi Kleen
2010-01-08 18:56 ` Christoph Lameter
2010-01-08 18:56 ` Christoph Lameter
2010-01-08 19:10 ` Andi Kleen
2010-01-08 19:10 ` Andi Kleen
2010-01-08 19:11 ` Linus Torvalds
2010-01-08 19:11 ` Linus Torvalds
2010-01-08 19:28 ` Andi Kleen
2010-01-08 19:28 ` Andi Kleen
2010-01-08 19:39 ` Linus Torvalds
2010-01-08 19:39 ` Linus Torvalds
2010-01-08 19:42 ` Linus Torvalds
2010-01-08 19:42 ` Linus Torvalds
2010-01-08 21:36 ` Linus Torvalds
2010-01-08 21:36 ` Linus Torvalds
2010-01-08 21:46 ` Christoph Lameter
2010-01-08 21:46 ` Christoph Lameter
2010-01-08 22:43 ` Linus Torvalds
2010-01-08 22:43 ` Linus Torvalds
2010-01-08 22:43 ` Linus Torvalds
2010-01-09 14:47 ` Ed Tomlinson
2010-01-09 14:47 ` Ed Tomlinson
2010-01-10 5:27 ` Nitin Gupta
2010-01-10 5:27 ` Nitin Gupta
2010-01-05 15:14 ` Christoph Lameter
2010-01-05 15:14 ` Christoph Lameter
2010-01-05 8:18 ` Peter Zijlstra
2010-01-05 8:18 ` Peter Zijlstra
2010-01-05 6:00 ` Minchan Kim
2010-01-05 6:00 ` Minchan Kim
2010-01-05 4:48 ` Linus Torvalds
2010-01-05 4:48 ` Linus Torvalds
2010-01-05 6:09 ` Minchan Kim
2010-01-05 6:09 ` Minchan Kim
2010-01-05 6:09 ` KAMEZAWA Hiroyuki
2010-01-05 6:09 ` KAMEZAWA Hiroyuki
2010-01-05 6:24 ` Minchan Kim
2010-01-05 6:24 ` Minchan Kim
2010-01-05 8:35 ` Peter Zijlstra
2010-01-05 8:35 ` Peter Zijlstra
2010-01-05 13:45 ` Arjan van de Ven
2010-01-05 13:45 ` Arjan van de Ven
2010-01-05 14:15 ` Andi Kleen
2010-01-05 14:15 ` Andi Kleen
2010-01-05 15:17 ` Christoph Lameter
2010-01-05 15:17 ` Christoph Lameter
2010-01-06 3:22 ` Arjan van de Ven
2010-01-06 3:22 ` Arjan van de Ven
2010-01-07 16:11 ` Christoph Lameter
2010-01-07 16:11 ` Christoph Lameter
2010-01-07 16:19 ` Linus Torvalds
2010-01-07 16:19 ` Linus Torvalds
2010-01-07 16:31 ` Linus Torvalds
2010-01-07 16:31 ` Linus Torvalds
2010-01-07 16:34 ` Paul E. McKenney
2010-01-07 16:34 ` Paul E. McKenney
2010-01-07 16:36 ` Christoph Lameter
2010-01-07 16:36 ` Christoph Lameter
2010-01-08 4:49 ` Arjan van de Ven
2010-01-08 4:49 ` Arjan van de Ven
2010-01-08 5:00 ` Linus Torvalds [this message]
2010-01-08 5:00 ` Linus Torvalds
2010-01-08 15:51 ` Christoph Lameter
2010-01-08 15:51 ` Christoph Lameter
2010-01-09 15:55 ` Arjan van de Ven
2010-01-09 15:55 ` Arjan van de Ven
2010-01-07 17:22 ` Peter Zijlstra
2010-01-07 17:22 ` Peter Zijlstra
2010-01-07 17:36 ` Linus Torvalds
2010-01-07 17:36 ` Linus Torvalds
2010-01-07 17:49 ` Linus Torvalds
2010-01-07 17:49 ` Linus Torvalds
2010-01-07 18:00 ` Peter Zijlstra
2010-01-07 18:00 ` Peter Zijlstra
2010-01-07 18:15 ` Linus Torvalds
2010-01-07 18:15 ` Linus Torvalds
2010-01-07 21:49 ` Peter Zijlstra
2010-01-07 21:49 ` Peter Zijlstra
2010-01-07 18:44 ` Linus Torvalds
2010-01-07 18:44 ` Linus Torvalds
2010-01-07 19:20 ` Paul E. McKenney
2010-01-07 19:20 ` Paul E. McKenney
2010-01-07 20:06 ` Linus Torvalds
2010-01-07 20:06 ` Linus Torvalds
2010-01-07 20:25 ` Paul E. McKenney
2010-01-07 20:25 ` Paul E. McKenney
2010-01-07 19:24 ` Christoph Lameter
2010-01-07 19:24 ` Christoph Lameter
2010-01-07 20:08 ` Linus Torvalds
2010-01-07 20:08 ` Linus Torvalds
2010-01-07 20:13 ` Linus Torvalds
2010-01-07 20:13 ` Linus Torvalds
2010-01-07 21:44 ` Peter Zijlstra
2010-01-07 21:44 ` Peter Zijlstra
2010-01-07 22:33 ` Linus Torvalds
2010-01-07 22:33 ` Linus Torvalds
2010-01-08 0:23 ` KAMEZAWA Hiroyuki
2010-01-08 0:23 ` KAMEZAWA Hiroyuki
2010-01-08 0:25 ` KAMEZAWA Hiroyuki
2010-01-08 0:25 ` KAMEZAWA Hiroyuki
2010-01-08 0:39 ` Linus Torvalds
2010-01-08 0:39 ` Linus Torvalds
2010-01-08 0:41 ` Linus Torvalds
2010-01-08 0:41 ` Linus Torvalds
2010-01-07 23:51 ` Rik van Riel
2010-01-07 23:51 ` Rik van Riel
2010-01-04 18:24 ` [RFC][PATCH 7/8] mm,x86: speculative pagefault support Peter Zijlstra
2010-01-04 18:24 ` Peter Zijlstra
2010-01-04 18:24 ` [RFC][PATCH 8/8] mm: Optimize pte_map_lock() Peter Zijlstra
2010-01-04 18:24 ` Peter Zijlstra
2010-01-04 21:41 ` [RFC][PATCH 0/8] Speculative pagefault -v3 Rik van Riel
2010-01-04 21:41 ` Rik van Riel
2010-01-04 21:46 ` Peter Zijlstra
2010-01-04 21:46 ` Peter Zijlstra
2010-01-04 23:20 ` Rik van Riel
2010-01-04 23:20 ` Rik van Riel
2010-01-04 21:59 ` Christoph Lameter
2010-01-04 21:59 ` Christoph Lameter
2010-01-05 0:28 ` KAMEZAWA Hiroyuki
2010-01-05 0:28 ` KAMEZAWA Hiroyuki
2010-01-05 2:26 ` Minchan Kim
2010-01-05 2:26 ` Minchan Kim
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