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From: Hugh Dickins <hughd@google.com>
To: "Kirill A. Shutemov" <kirill.shutemov@linux.intel.com>
Cc: Andrew Morton <akpm@linux-foundation.org>,
	Andrea Arcangeli <aarcange@redhat.com>,
	Hugh Dickins <hughd@google.com>,
	Dave Hansen <dave.hansen@intel.com>, Mel Gorman <mgorman@suse.de>,
	Rik van Riel <riel@redhat.com>, Vlastimil Babka <vbabka@suse.cz>,
	Christoph Lameter <cl@gentwo.org>,
	Naoya Horiguchi <n-horiguchi@ah.jp.nec.com>,
	Steve Capper <steve.capper@linaro.org>,
	"Aneesh Kumar K.V" <aneesh.kumar@linux.vnet.ibm.com>,
	Johannes Weiner <hannes@cmpxchg.org>,
	Michal Hocko <mhocko@suse.cz>,
	Jerome Marchand <jmarchan@redhat.com>,
	linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org, linux-mm@kvack.org
Subject: Re: [PATCH 00/16] Sanitize usage of ->flags and ->mapping for tail pages
Date: Sun, 22 Mar 2015 17:28:47 -0700 (PDT)	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <alpine.LSU.2.11.1503221713370.3913@eggly.anvils> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <1426784902-125149-1-git-send-email-kirill.shutemov@linux.intel.com>

On Thu, 19 Mar 2015, Kirill A. Shutemov wrote:

> Currently we take naive approach to page flags on compound -- we set the
> flag on the page without consideration if the flag makes sense for tail
> page or for compound page in general. This patchset try to sort this out
> by defining per-flag policy on what need to be done if page-flag helper
> operate on compound page.
> 
> The last patch in patchset also sanitize usege of page->mapping for tail
> pages. We don't define meaning of page->mapping for tail pages. Currently
> it's always NULL, which can be inconsistent with head page and potentially
> lead to problems.
> 
> For now I catched one case of illigal usage of page flags or ->mapping:
> sound subsystem allocates pages with __GFP_COMP and maps them with PTEs.
> It leads to setting dirty bit on tail pages and access to tail_page's
> ->mapping. I don't see any bad behaviour caused by this, but worth fixing
> anyway.

But there's nothing to fix there.  We're more used to having page->mapping
set by filesystems, but it is normal for drivers to have pages with NULL
page->mapping mapped into userspace (and it's not accidental that they
appear !PageAnon); and subpages of compound pages mapped into userspace,
and set_page_dirty applied to them.

> 
> This patchset makes more sense if you take my THP refcounting into
> account: we will see more compound pages mapped with PTEs and we need to
> define behaviour of flags on compound pages to avoid bugs.

Yes, I quite understand that you want to clarify the usage of different
page flags to yourself, to help towards a policy of what to do with each
of them when subpages of a huge compound page are mapped into userspace;
but I don't see that we need this patchset in the kernel now, given that
it adds unnecessary overhead into several low-level inline functions.

I'm surprised that Andrew has fast-tracked it into his mmotm tree:
I don't think it's harmful beyond the overhead, but it seems premature:
let's wait until we get some benefit too?

Hugh

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From: Hugh Dickins <hughd@google.com>
To: "Kirill A. Shutemov" <kirill.shutemov@linux.intel.com>
Cc: Andrew Morton <akpm@linux-foundation.org>,
	Andrea Arcangeli <aarcange@redhat.com>,
	Hugh Dickins <hughd@google.com>,
	Dave Hansen <dave.hansen@intel.com>, Mel Gorman <mgorman@suse.de>,
	Rik van Riel <riel@redhat.com>, Vlastimil Babka <vbabka@suse.cz>,
	Christoph Lameter <cl@gentwo.org>,
	Naoya Horiguchi <n-horiguchi@ah.jp.nec.com>,
	Steve Capper <steve.capper@linaro.org>,
	"Aneesh Kumar K.V" <aneesh.kumar@linux.vnet.ibm.com>,
	Johannes Weiner <hannes@cmpxchg.org>,
	Michal Hocko <mhocko@suse.cz>,
	Jerome Marchand <jmarchan@redhat.com>,
	linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org, linux-mm@kvack.org
Subject: Re: [PATCH 00/16] Sanitize usage of ->flags and ->mapping for tail pages
Date: Sun, 22 Mar 2015 17:28:47 -0700 (PDT)	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <alpine.LSU.2.11.1503221713370.3913@eggly.anvils> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <1426784902-125149-1-git-send-email-kirill.shutemov@linux.intel.com>

On Thu, 19 Mar 2015, Kirill A. Shutemov wrote:

> Currently we take naive approach to page flags on compound -- we set the
> flag on the page without consideration if the flag makes sense for tail
> page or for compound page in general. This patchset try to sort this out
> by defining per-flag policy on what need to be done if page-flag helper
> operate on compound page.
> 
> The last patch in patchset also sanitize usege of page->mapping for tail
> pages. We don't define meaning of page->mapping for tail pages. Currently
> it's always NULL, which can be inconsistent with head page and potentially
> lead to problems.
> 
> For now I catched one case of illigal usage of page flags or ->mapping:
> sound subsystem allocates pages with __GFP_COMP and maps them with PTEs.
> It leads to setting dirty bit on tail pages and access to tail_page's
> ->mapping. I don't see any bad behaviour caused by this, but worth fixing
> anyway.

But there's nothing to fix there.  We're more used to having page->mapping
set by filesystems, but it is normal for drivers to have pages with NULL
page->mapping mapped into userspace (and it's not accidental that they
appear !PageAnon); and subpages of compound pages mapped into userspace,
and set_page_dirty applied to them.

> 
> This patchset makes more sense if you take my THP refcounting into
> account: we will see more compound pages mapped with PTEs and we need to
> define behaviour of flags on compound pages to avoid bugs.

Yes, I quite understand that you want to clarify the usage of different
page flags to yourself, to help towards a policy of what to do with each
of them when subpages of a huge compound page are mapped into userspace;
but I don't see that we need this patchset in the kernel now, given that
it adds unnecessary overhead into several low-level inline functions.

I'm surprised that Andrew has fast-tracked it into his mmotm tree:
I don't think it's harmful beyond the overhead, but it seems premature:
let's wait until we get some benefit too?

Hugh

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  parent reply	other threads:[~2015-03-23  0:28 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 117+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2015-03-19 17:08 [PATCH 00/16] Sanitize usage of ->flags and ->mapping for tail pages Kirill A. Shutemov
2015-03-19 17:08 ` Kirill A. Shutemov
2015-03-19 17:08 ` [PATCH 01/16] mm: consolidate all page-flags helpers in <linux/page-flags.h> Kirill A. Shutemov
2015-03-19 17:08   ` Kirill A. Shutemov
2015-03-23  0:10   ` Hugh Dickins
2015-03-23  0:10     ` Hugh Dickins
2015-03-19 17:08 ` [PATCH 02/16] page-flags: trivial cleanup for PageTrans* helpers Kirill A. Shutemov
2015-03-19 17:08   ` Kirill A. Shutemov
2015-03-23  0:12   ` Hugh Dickins
2015-03-23  0:12     ` Hugh Dickins
2015-03-19 17:08 ` [PATCH 03/16] page-flags: introduce page flags policies wrt compound pages Kirill A. Shutemov
2015-03-19 17:08   ` Kirill A. Shutemov
2015-03-20 20:35   ` Andrew Morton
2015-03-20 20:35     ` Andrew Morton
2015-03-20 21:34     ` Kirill A. Shutemov
2015-03-20 21:34       ` Kirill A. Shutemov
2015-03-19 17:08 ` [PATCH 04/16] page-flags: define PG_locked behavior on " Kirill A. Shutemov
2015-03-19 17:08   ` Kirill A. Shutemov
2015-03-27 15:11   ` Mateusz Krawczuk
2015-03-27 15:11     ` Mateusz Krawczuk
2015-03-27 15:13   ` Mateusz Krawczuk
2015-03-27 15:13     ` Mateusz Krawczuk
2015-03-27 15:13     ` Mateusz Krawczuk
2015-03-27 16:37     ` Kirill A. Shutemov
2015-03-27 16:37       ` Kirill A. Shutemov
2015-03-27 16:37       ` Kirill A. Shutemov
2015-07-15 20:20   ` Christoph Lameter
2015-07-15 20:20     ` Christoph Lameter
2015-08-06  4:15   ` page-flags behavior on compound pages: a worry Hugh Dickins
2015-08-06  4:15     ` Hugh Dickins
2015-08-06 15:33     ` Kirill A. Shutemov
2015-08-06 15:33       ` Kirill A. Shutemov
2015-08-06 19:24       ` Hugh Dickins
2015-08-06 19:24         ` Hugh Dickins
2015-08-06 20:45         ` Christoph Lameter
2015-08-06 20:45           ` Christoph Lameter
2015-08-07 14:50           ` Kirill A. Shutemov
2015-08-07 14:50             ` Kirill A. Shutemov
2015-08-07 15:28             ` Christoph Lameter
2015-08-07 15:28               ` Christoph Lameter
2015-08-10 11:09               ` Kirill A. Shutemov
2015-08-10 11:09                 ` Kirill A. Shutemov
2015-08-10 13:50                 ` Christoph Lameter
2015-08-10 13:50                   ` Christoph Lameter
2015-08-07 14:49         ` Kirill A. Shutemov
2015-08-07 14:49           ` Kirill A. Shutemov
2015-08-13  5:10           ` Hugh Dickins
2015-08-13  5:10             ` Hugh Dickins
2015-08-12 14:35         ` Kirill A. Shutemov
2015-08-12 14:35           ` Kirill A. Shutemov
2015-08-12 14:47           ` Vlastimil Babka
2015-08-12 14:47             ` Vlastimil Babka
2015-08-12 21:16           ` Andrew Morton
2015-08-12 21:16             ` Andrew Morton
2015-08-12 22:21             ` Kirill A. Shutemov
2015-08-12 22:21               ` Kirill A. Shutemov
2015-08-13  4:12               ` Hugh Dickins
2015-08-13  4:12                 ` Hugh Dickins
2015-03-19 17:08 ` [PATCH 05/16] page-flags: define behavior of FS/IO-related flags on compound pages Kirill A. Shutemov
2015-03-19 17:08   ` Kirill A. Shutemov
2015-03-19 18:29   ` Dave Hansen
2015-03-19 18:29     ` Dave Hansen
2015-03-19 20:02     ` Kirill A. Shutemov
2015-03-19 20:02       ` Kirill A. Shutemov
2015-03-23  0:02       ` Hugh Dickins
2015-03-23  0:02         ` Hugh Dickins
2015-03-23 12:17         ` Kirill A. Shutemov
2015-03-23 12:17           ` Kirill A. Shutemov
2015-03-24 22:54           ` Hugh Dickins
2015-03-24 22:54             ` Hugh Dickins
2015-03-25 10:23             ` Kirill A. Shutemov
2015-03-25 10:23               ` Kirill A. Shutemov
2015-03-25 18:56               ` Hugh Dickins
2015-03-25 18:56                 ` Hugh Dickins
2015-03-19 17:08 ` [PATCH 06/16] page-flags: define behavior of LRU-related " Kirill A. Shutemov
2015-03-19 17:08   ` Kirill A. Shutemov
2015-03-19 17:08 ` [PATCH 07/16] page-flags: define behavior SL*B-related " Kirill A. Shutemov
2015-03-19 17:08   ` Kirill A. Shutemov
2015-03-19 17:08 ` [PATCH 08/16] page-flags: define behavior of Xen-related " Kirill A. Shutemov
2015-03-19 17:08   ` Kirill A. Shutemov
2015-03-19 17:08 ` [PATCH 09/16] page-flags: define PG_reserved behavior " Kirill A. Shutemov
2015-03-19 17:08   ` Kirill A. Shutemov
2020-01-31 15:24   ` Chris Wilson
2020-02-03 15:18     ` Kirill A. Shutemov
2020-02-03 15:24       ` Chris Wilson
2020-02-03 17:10         ` David Hildenbrand
2020-02-03 17:29       ` Christoph Hellwig
2015-03-19 17:08 ` [PATCH 10/16] page-flags: define PG_swapbacked " Kirill A. Shutemov
2015-03-19 17:08   ` Kirill A. Shutemov
2015-03-19 17:08 ` [PATCH 11/16] page-flags: define PG_swapcache " Kirill A. Shutemov
2015-03-19 17:08   ` Kirill A. Shutemov
2015-03-19 17:08 ` [PATCH 12/16] page-flags: define PG_mlocked " Kirill A. Shutemov
2015-03-19 17:08   ` Kirill A. Shutemov
2015-03-19 17:08 ` [PATCH 13/16] page-flags: define PG_uncached " Kirill A. Shutemov
2015-03-19 17:08   ` Kirill A. Shutemov
2015-03-19 17:08 ` [PATCH 14/16] page-flags: define PG_uptodate " Kirill A. Shutemov
2015-03-19 17:08   ` Kirill A. Shutemov
2015-03-19 17:08 ` [PATCH 15/16] page-flags: look on head page if the flag is encoded in page->mapping Kirill A. Shutemov
2015-03-19 17:08   ` Kirill A. Shutemov
2015-03-19 17:08 ` [PATCH 16/16] mm: sanitize page->mapping for tail pages Kirill A. Shutemov
2015-03-19 17:08   ` Kirill A. Shutemov
2015-03-23  0:28 ` Hugh Dickins [this message]
2015-03-23  0:28   ` [PATCH 00/16] Sanitize usage of ->flags and ->mapping " Hugh Dickins
2015-03-23 10:04   ` Kirill A. Shutemov
2015-03-23 10:04     ` Kirill A. Shutemov
2015-03-24 23:42     ` Hugh Dickins
2015-03-24 23:42       ` Hugh Dickins
2015-03-25 10:55       ` Kirill A. Shutemov
2015-03-25 10:55         ` Kirill A. Shutemov
2015-03-24 17:39 ` Konstantin Khlebnikov
2015-03-24 17:39   ` Konstantin Khlebnikov
2015-03-24 20:04   ` Kirill A. Shutemov
2015-03-24 20:04     ` Kirill A. Shutemov
2015-07-15 20:20 ` Christoph Lameter
2015-07-15 20:20   ` Christoph Lameter
2015-07-15 21:18   ` Kirill A. Shutemov
2015-07-15 21:18     ` Kirill A. Shutemov

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