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From: "Christian König" <christian.koenig@amd.com>
To: Andrey Grodzovsky <Andrey.Grodzovsky@amd.com>,
	Daniel Vetter <daniel@ffwll.ch>
Cc: amd-gfx@lists.freedesktop.org, daniel.vetter@ffwll.ch,
	dri-devel@lists.freedesktop.org, yuq825@gmail.com,
	gregkh@linuxfoundation.org, Alexander.Deucher@amd.com
Subject: Re: [PATCH v3 01/12] drm: Add dummy page per device or GEM object
Date: Fri, 8 Jan 2021 15:33:34 +0100	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <b73319b2-1723-6650-8d03-d8f775119e53@amd.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <a140ca34-9cfc-9c2f-39e2-1af156faabfe@amd.com>

Am 08.01.21 um 15:26 schrieb Andrey Grodzovsky:
> Hey Christian, just a ping.

Was there any question for me here?

As far as I can see the best approach would still be to fill the VMA 
with a single dummy page and avoid pointers in the GEM object.

Christian.

>
> Andrey
>
> On 1/7/21 11:37 AM, Andrey Grodzovsky wrote:
>>
>> On 1/7/21 11:30 AM, Daniel Vetter wrote:
>>> On Thu, Jan 07, 2021 at 11:26:52AM -0500, Andrey Grodzovsky wrote:
>>>> On 1/7/21 11:21 AM, Daniel Vetter wrote:
>>>>> On Tue, Jan 05, 2021 at 04:04:16PM -0500, Andrey Grodzovsky wrote:
>>>>>> On 11/23/20 3:01 AM, Christian König wrote:
>>>>>>> Am 23.11.20 um 05:54 schrieb Andrey Grodzovsky:
>>>>>>>> On 11/21/20 9:15 AM, Christian König wrote:
>>>>>>>>> Am 21.11.20 um 06:21 schrieb Andrey Grodzovsky:
>>>>>>>>>> Will be used to reroute CPU mapped BO's page faults once
>>>>>>>>>> device is removed.
>>>>>>>>> Uff, one page for each exported DMA-buf? That's not something 
>>>>>>>>> we can do.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> We need to find a different approach here.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Can't we call alloc_page() on each fault and link them together
>>>>>>>>> so they are freed when the device is finally reaped?
>>>>>>>> For sure better to optimize and allocate on demand when we reach
>>>>>>>> this corner case, but why the linking ?
>>>>>>>> Shouldn't drm_prime_gem_destroy be good enough place to free ?
>>>>>>> I want to avoid keeping the page in the GEM object.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> What we can do is to allocate a page on demand for each fault 
>>>>>>> and link
>>>>>>> the together in the bdev instead.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> And when the bdev is then finally destroyed after the last 
>>>>>>> application
>>>>>>> closed we can finally release all of them.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Christian.
>>>>>> Hey, started to implement this and then realized that by 
>>>>>> allocating a page
>>>>>> for each fault indiscriminately
>>>>>> we will be allocating a new page for each faulting virtual 
>>>>>> address within a
>>>>>> VA range belonging the same BO
>>>>>> and this is obviously too much and not the intention. Should I 
>>>>>> instead use
>>>>>> let's say a hashtable with the hash
>>>>>> key being faulting BO address to actually keep allocating and 
>>>>>> reusing same
>>>>>> dummy zero page per GEM BO
>>>>>> (or for that matter DRM file object address for non imported BOs) ?
>>>>> Why do we need a hashtable? All the sw structures to track this 
>>>>> should
>>>>> still be around:
>>>>> - if gem_bo->dma_buf is set the buffer is currently exported as a 
>>>>> dma-buf,
>>>>>     so defensively allocate a per-bo page
>>>>> - otherwise allocate a per-file page
>>>>
>>>> That exactly what we have in current implementation
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>> Or is the idea to save the struct page * pointer? That feels a bit 
>>>>> like
>>>>> over-optimizing stuff. Better to have a simple implementation 
>>>>> first and
>>>>> then tune it if (and only if) any part of it becomes a problem for 
>>>>> normal
>>>>> usage.
>>>>
>>>> Exactly - the idea is to avoid adding extra pointer to drm_gem_object,
>>>> Christian suggested to instead keep a linked list of dummy pages to be
>>>> allocated on demand once we hit a vm_fault. I will then also 
>>>> prefault the entire
>>>> VA range from vma->vm_end - vma->vm_start to vma->vm_end and map them
>>>> to that single dummy page.
>>> This strongly feels like premature optimization. If you're worried 
>>> about
>>> the overhead on amdgpu, pay down the debt by removing one of the 
>>> redundant
>>> pointers between gem and ttm bo structs (I think we still have some) 
>>> :-)
>>>
>>> Until we've nuked these easy&obvious ones we shouldn't play "avoid 1
>>> pointer just because" games with hashtables.
>>> -Daniel
>>
>>
>> Well, if you and Christian can agree on this approach and suggest 
>> maybe what pointer is
>> redundant and can be removed from GEM struct so we can use the 
>> 'credit' to add the dummy page
>> to GEM I will be happy to follow through.
>>
>> P.S Hash table is off the table anyway and we are talking only about 
>> linked list here since by prefaulting
>> the entire VA range for a vmf->vma i will be avoiding redundant page 
>> faults to same VMA VA range and so
>> don't need to search and reuse an existing dummy page but simply 
>> create a new one for each next fault.
>>
>> Andrey

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From: "Christian König" <christian.koenig@amd.com>
To: Andrey Grodzovsky <Andrey.Grodzovsky@amd.com>,
	Daniel Vetter <daniel@ffwll.ch>
Cc: robh@kernel.org, amd-gfx@lists.freedesktop.org,
	daniel.vetter@ffwll.ch, dri-devel@lists.freedesktop.org,
	eric@anholt.net, ppaalanen@gmail.com, yuq825@gmail.com,
	gregkh@linuxfoundation.org, Alexander.Deucher@amd.com,
	Harry.Wentland@amd.com, l.stach@pengutronix.de
Subject: Re: [PATCH v3 01/12] drm: Add dummy page per device or GEM object
Date: Fri, 8 Jan 2021 15:33:34 +0100	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <b73319b2-1723-6650-8d03-d8f775119e53@amd.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <a140ca34-9cfc-9c2f-39e2-1af156faabfe@amd.com>

Am 08.01.21 um 15:26 schrieb Andrey Grodzovsky:
> Hey Christian, just a ping.

Was there any question for me here?

As far as I can see the best approach would still be to fill the VMA 
with a single dummy page and avoid pointers in the GEM object.

Christian.

>
> Andrey
>
> On 1/7/21 11:37 AM, Andrey Grodzovsky wrote:
>>
>> On 1/7/21 11:30 AM, Daniel Vetter wrote:
>>> On Thu, Jan 07, 2021 at 11:26:52AM -0500, Andrey Grodzovsky wrote:
>>>> On 1/7/21 11:21 AM, Daniel Vetter wrote:
>>>>> On Tue, Jan 05, 2021 at 04:04:16PM -0500, Andrey Grodzovsky wrote:
>>>>>> On 11/23/20 3:01 AM, Christian König wrote:
>>>>>>> Am 23.11.20 um 05:54 schrieb Andrey Grodzovsky:
>>>>>>>> On 11/21/20 9:15 AM, Christian König wrote:
>>>>>>>>> Am 21.11.20 um 06:21 schrieb Andrey Grodzovsky:
>>>>>>>>>> Will be used to reroute CPU mapped BO's page faults once
>>>>>>>>>> device is removed.
>>>>>>>>> Uff, one page for each exported DMA-buf? That's not something 
>>>>>>>>> we can do.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> We need to find a different approach here.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Can't we call alloc_page() on each fault and link them together
>>>>>>>>> so they are freed when the device is finally reaped?
>>>>>>>> For sure better to optimize and allocate on demand when we reach
>>>>>>>> this corner case, but why the linking ?
>>>>>>>> Shouldn't drm_prime_gem_destroy be good enough place to free ?
>>>>>>> I want to avoid keeping the page in the GEM object.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> What we can do is to allocate a page on demand for each fault 
>>>>>>> and link
>>>>>>> the together in the bdev instead.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> And when the bdev is then finally destroyed after the last 
>>>>>>> application
>>>>>>> closed we can finally release all of them.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Christian.
>>>>>> Hey, started to implement this and then realized that by 
>>>>>> allocating a page
>>>>>> for each fault indiscriminately
>>>>>> we will be allocating a new page for each faulting virtual 
>>>>>> address within a
>>>>>> VA range belonging the same BO
>>>>>> and this is obviously too much and not the intention. Should I 
>>>>>> instead use
>>>>>> let's say a hashtable with the hash
>>>>>> key being faulting BO address to actually keep allocating and 
>>>>>> reusing same
>>>>>> dummy zero page per GEM BO
>>>>>> (or for that matter DRM file object address for non imported BOs) ?
>>>>> Why do we need a hashtable? All the sw structures to track this 
>>>>> should
>>>>> still be around:
>>>>> - if gem_bo->dma_buf is set the buffer is currently exported as a 
>>>>> dma-buf,
>>>>>     so defensively allocate a per-bo page
>>>>> - otherwise allocate a per-file page
>>>>
>>>> That exactly what we have in current implementation
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>> Or is the idea to save the struct page * pointer? That feels a bit 
>>>>> like
>>>>> over-optimizing stuff. Better to have a simple implementation 
>>>>> first and
>>>>> then tune it if (and only if) any part of it becomes a problem for 
>>>>> normal
>>>>> usage.
>>>>
>>>> Exactly - the idea is to avoid adding extra pointer to drm_gem_object,
>>>> Christian suggested to instead keep a linked list of dummy pages to be
>>>> allocated on demand once we hit a vm_fault. I will then also 
>>>> prefault the entire
>>>> VA range from vma->vm_end - vma->vm_start to vma->vm_end and map them
>>>> to that single dummy page.
>>> This strongly feels like premature optimization. If you're worried 
>>> about
>>> the overhead on amdgpu, pay down the debt by removing one of the 
>>> redundant
>>> pointers between gem and ttm bo structs (I think we still have some) 
>>> :-)
>>>
>>> Until we've nuked these easy&obvious ones we shouldn't play "avoid 1
>>> pointer just because" games with hashtables.
>>> -Daniel
>>
>>
>> Well, if you and Christian can agree on this approach and suggest 
>> maybe what pointer is
>> redundant and can be removed from GEM struct so we can use the 
>> 'credit' to add the dummy page
>> to GEM I will be happy to follow through.
>>
>> P.S Hash table is off the table anyway and we are talking only about 
>> linked list here since by prefaulting
>> the entire VA range for a vmf->vma i will be avoiding redundant page 
>> faults to same VMA VA range and so
>> don't need to search and reuse an existing dummy page but simply 
>> create a new one for each next fault.
>>
>> Andrey

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Thread overview: 212+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2020-11-21  5:21 [PATCH v3 00/12] RFC Support hot device unplug in amdgpu Andrey Grodzovsky
2020-11-21  5:21 ` Andrey Grodzovsky
2020-11-21  5:21 ` [PATCH v3 01/12] drm: Add dummy page per device or GEM object Andrey Grodzovsky
2020-11-21  5:21   ` Andrey Grodzovsky
2020-11-21 14:15   ` Christian König
2020-11-21 14:15     ` Christian König
2020-11-23  4:54     ` Andrey Grodzovsky
2020-11-23  4:54       ` Andrey Grodzovsky
2020-11-23  8:01       ` Christian König
2020-11-23  8:01         ` Christian König
2021-01-05 21:04         ` Andrey Grodzovsky
2021-01-05 21:04           ` Andrey Grodzovsky
2021-01-07 16:21           ` Daniel Vetter
2021-01-07 16:21             ` Daniel Vetter
2021-01-07 16:26             ` Andrey Grodzovsky
2021-01-07 16:26               ` Andrey Grodzovsky
2021-01-07 16:28               ` Andrey Grodzovsky
2021-01-07 16:28                 ` Andrey Grodzovsky
2021-01-07 16:30               ` Daniel Vetter
2021-01-07 16:30                 ` Daniel Vetter
2021-01-07 16:37                 ` Andrey Grodzovsky
2021-01-07 16:37                   ` Andrey Grodzovsky
2021-01-08 14:26                   ` Andrey Grodzovsky
2021-01-08 14:26                     ` Andrey Grodzovsky
2021-01-08 14:33                     ` Christian König [this message]
2021-01-08 14:33                       ` Christian König
2021-01-08 14:46                       ` Andrey Grodzovsky
2021-01-08 14:46                         ` Andrey Grodzovsky
2021-01-08 14:52                         ` Christian König
2021-01-08 14:52                           ` Christian König
2021-01-08 16:49                           ` Grodzovsky, Andrey
2021-01-08 16:49                             ` Grodzovsky, Andrey
2021-01-11 16:13                             ` Daniel Vetter
2021-01-11 16:13                               ` Daniel Vetter
2021-01-11 16:15                               ` Daniel Vetter
2021-01-11 16:15                                 ` Daniel Vetter
2021-01-11 17:41                                 ` Andrey Grodzovsky
2021-01-11 17:41                                   ` Andrey Grodzovsky
2021-01-11 18:31                                   ` Andrey Grodzovsky
2021-01-12  9:07                                     ` Daniel Vetter
2021-01-11 20:45                                 ` Andrey Grodzovsky
2021-01-11 20:45                                   ` Andrey Grodzovsky
2021-01-12  9:10                                   ` Daniel Vetter
2021-01-12  9:10                                     ` Daniel Vetter
2021-01-12 12:32                                     ` Christian König
2021-01-12 12:32                                       ` Christian König
2021-01-12 15:59                                       ` Andrey Grodzovsky
2021-01-12 15:59                                         ` Andrey Grodzovsky
2021-01-13  9:14                                         ` Christian König
2021-01-13  9:14                                           ` Christian König
2021-01-13 14:40                                           ` Andrey Grodzovsky
2021-01-13 14:40                                             ` Andrey Grodzovsky
2021-01-12 15:54                                     ` Andrey Grodzovsky
2021-01-12 15:54                                       ` Andrey Grodzovsky
2021-01-12  8:12                               ` Christian König
2021-01-12  8:12                                 ` Christian König
2021-01-12  9:13                                 ` Daniel Vetter
2021-01-12  9:13                                   ` Daniel Vetter
2020-11-21  5:21 ` [PATCH v3 02/12] drm: Unamp the entire device address space on device unplug Andrey Grodzovsky
2020-11-21  5:21   ` Andrey Grodzovsky
2020-11-21 14:16   ` Christian König
2020-11-21 14:16     ` Christian König
2020-11-24 14:44     ` Daniel Vetter
2020-11-24 14:44       ` Daniel Vetter
2020-11-21  5:21 ` [PATCH v3 03/12] drm/ttm: Remap all page faults to per process dummy page Andrey Grodzovsky
2020-11-21  5:21   ` Andrey Grodzovsky
2020-11-21  5:21 ` [PATCH v3 04/12] drm/ttm: Set dma addr to null after freee Andrey Grodzovsky
2020-11-21  5:21   ` Andrey Grodzovsky
2020-11-21 14:13   ` Christian König
2020-11-21 14:13     ` Christian König
2020-11-23  5:15     ` Andrey Grodzovsky
2020-11-23  5:15       ` Andrey Grodzovsky
2020-11-23  8:04       ` Christian König
2020-11-23  8:04         ` Christian König
2020-11-21  5:21 ` [PATCH v3 05/12] drm/ttm: Expose ttm_tt_unpopulate for driver use Andrey Grodzovsky
2020-11-21  5:21   ` Andrey Grodzovsky
2020-11-25 10:42   ` Christian König
2020-11-25 10:42     ` Christian König
2020-11-23 20:05     ` Andrey Grodzovsky
2020-11-23 20:05       ` Andrey Grodzovsky
2020-11-23 20:20       ` Christian König
2020-11-23 20:20         ` Christian König
2020-11-23 20:38         ` Andrey Grodzovsky
2020-11-23 20:38           ` Andrey Grodzovsky
2020-11-23 20:41           ` Christian König
2020-11-23 20:41             ` Christian König
2020-11-23 21:08             ` Andrey Grodzovsky
2020-11-23 21:08               ` Andrey Grodzovsky
2020-11-24  7:41               ` Christian König
2020-11-24  7:41                 ` Christian König
2020-11-24 16:22                 ` Andrey Grodzovsky
2020-11-24 16:22                   ` Andrey Grodzovsky
2020-11-24 16:44                   ` Christian König
2020-11-24 16:44                     ` Christian König
2020-11-25 10:40                     ` Daniel Vetter
2020-11-25 10:40                       ` Daniel Vetter
2020-11-25 12:57                       ` Christian König
2020-11-25 12:57                         ` Christian König
2020-11-25 16:36                         ` Daniel Vetter
2020-11-25 16:36                           ` Daniel Vetter
2020-11-25 19:34                           ` Andrey Grodzovsky
2020-11-25 19:34                             ` Andrey Grodzovsky
2020-11-27 13:10                             ` Grodzovsky, Andrey
2020-11-27 13:10                               ` Grodzovsky, Andrey
2020-11-27 14:59                             ` Daniel Vetter
2020-11-27 14:59                               ` Daniel Vetter
2020-11-27 16:04                               ` Andrey Grodzovsky
2020-11-27 16:04                                 ` Andrey Grodzovsky
2020-11-30 14:15                                 ` Daniel Vetter
2020-11-30 14:15                                   ` Daniel Vetter
2020-11-25 16:56                         ` Michel Dänzer
2020-11-25 16:56                           ` Michel Dänzer
2020-11-25 17:02                           ` Daniel Vetter
2020-11-25 17:02                             ` Daniel Vetter
2020-12-15 20:18                     ` Andrey Grodzovsky
2020-12-15 20:18                       ` Andrey Grodzovsky
2020-12-16  8:04                       ` Christian König
2020-12-16  8:04                         ` Christian König
2020-12-16 14:21                         ` Daniel Vetter
2020-12-16 14:21                           ` Daniel Vetter
2020-12-16 16:13                           ` Andrey Grodzovsky
2020-12-16 16:13                             ` Andrey Grodzovsky
2020-12-16 16:18                             ` Christian König
2020-12-16 16:18                               ` Christian König
2020-12-16 17:12                               ` Daniel Vetter
2020-12-16 17:12                                 ` Daniel Vetter
2020-12-16 17:20                                 ` Daniel Vetter
2020-12-16 17:20                                   ` Daniel Vetter
2020-12-16 18:26                                 ` Andrey Grodzovsky
2020-12-16 18:26                                   ` Andrey Grodzovsky
2020-12-16 23:15                                   ` Daniel Vetter
2020-12-16 23:15                                     ` Daniel Vetter
2020-12-17  0:20                                     ` Andrey Grodzovsky
2020-12-17  0:20                                       ` Andrey Grodzovsky
2020-12-17 12:01                                       ` Daniel Vetter
2020-12-17 12:01                                         ` Daniel Vetter
2020-12-17 19:19                                         ` Andrey Grodzovsky
2020-12-17 19:19                                           ` Andrey Grodzovsky
2020-12-17 20:10                                           ` Christian König
2020-12-17 20:10                                             ` Christian König
2020-12-17 20:38                                             ` Andrey Grodzovsky
2020-12-17 20:38                                               ` Andrey Grodzovsky
2020-12-17 20:48                                               ` Daniel Vetter
2020-12-17 20:48                                                 ` Daniel Vetter
2020-12-17 21:06                                                 ` Andrey Grodzovsky
2020-12-17 21:06                                                   ` Andrey Grodzovsky
2020-12-18 14:30                                                   ` Daniel Vetter
2020-12-18 14:30                                                     ` Daniel Vetter
2020-12-17 20:42                                           ` Daniel Vetter
2020-12-17 20:42                                             ` Daniel Vetter
2020-12-17 21:13                                             ` Andrey Grodzovsky
2020-12-17 21:13                                               ` Andrey Grodzovsky
2021-01-04 16:33                                               ` Andrey Grodzovsky
2021-01-04 16:33                                                 ` Andrey Grodzovsky
2020-11-21  5:21 ` [PATCH v3 06/12] drm/sched: Cancel and flush all oustatdning jobs before finish Andrey Grodzovsky
2020-11-21  5:21   ` Andrey Grodzovsky
2020-11-22 11:56   ` Christian König
2020-11-22 11:56     ` Christian König
2020-11-21  5:21 ` [PATCH v3 07/12] drm/sched: Prevent any job recoveries after device is unplugged Andrey Grodzovsky
2020-11-21  5:21   ` Andrey Grodzovsky
2020-11-22 11:57   ` Christian König
2020-11-22 11:57     ` Christian König
2020-11-23  5:37     ` Andrey Grodzovsky
2020-11-23  5:37       ` Andrey Grodzovsky
2020-11-23  8:06       ` Christian König
2020-11-23  8:06         ` Christian König
2020-11-24  1:12         ` Luben Tuikov
2020-11-24  1:12           ` Luben Tuikov
2020-11-24  7:50           ` Christian König
2020-11-24  7:50             ` Christian König
2020-11-24 17:11             ` Luben Tuikov
2020-11-24 17:11               ` Luben Tuikov
2020-11-24 17:17               ` Andrey Grodzovsky
2020-11-24 17:17                 ` Andrey Grodzovsky
2020-11-24 17:41                 ` Luben Tuikov
2020-11-24 17:41                   ` Luben Tuikov
2020-11-24 17:40               ` Christian König
2020-11-24 17:40                 ` Christian König
2020-11-24 17:44                 ` Luben Tuikov
2020-11-24 17:44                   ` Luben Tuikov
2020-11-21  5:21 ` [PATCH v3 08/12] drm/amdgpu: Split amdgpu_device_fini into early and late Andrey Grodzovsky
2020-11-21  5:21   ` Andrey Grodzovsky
2020-11-24 14:53   ` Daniel Vetter
2020-11-24 14:53     ` Daniel Vetter
2020-11-24 15:51     ` Andrey Grodzovsky
2020-11-24 15:51       ` Andrey Grodzovsky
2020-11-25 10:41       ` Daniel Vetter
2020-11-25 10:41         ` Daniel Vetter
2020-11-25 17:41         ` Andrey Grodzovsky
2020-11-25 17:41           ` Andrey Grodzovsky
2020-11-21  5:21 ` [PATCH v3 09/12] drm/amdgpu: Add early fini callback Andrey Grodzovsky
2020-11-21  5:21   ` Andrey Grodzovsky
2020-11-21  5:21 ` [PATCH v3 10/12] drm/amdgpu: Avoid sysfs dirs removal post device unplug Andrey Grodzovsky
2020-11-21  5:21   ` Andrey Grodzovsky
2020-11-24 14:49   ` Daniel Vetter
2020-11-24 14:49     ` Daniel Vetter
2020-11-24 22:27     ` Andrey Grodzovsky
2020-11-24 22:27       ` Andrey Grodzovsky
2020-11-25  9:04       ` Daniel Vetter
2020-11-25  9:04         ` Daniel Vetter
2020-11-25 17:39         ` Andrey Grodzovsky
2020-11-25 17:39           ` Andrey Grodzovsky
2020-11-27 13:12           ` Grodzovsky, Andrey
2020-11-27 13:12             ` Grodzovsky, Andrey
2020-11-27 15:04           ` Daniel Vetter
2020-11-27 15:04             ` Daniel Vetter
2020-11-27 15:34             ` Andrey Grodzovsky
2020-11-27 15:34               ` Andrey Grodzovsky
2020-11-21  5:21 ` [PATCH v3 11/12] drm/amdgpu: Register IOMMU topology notifier per device Andrey Grodzovsky
2020-11-21  5:21   ` Andrey Grodzovsky
2020-11-21  5:21 ` [PATCH v3 12/12] drm/amdgpu: Fix a bunch of sdma code crash post device unplug Andrey Grodzovsky
2020-11-21  5:21   ` Andrey Grodzovsky

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