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From: John Snow <jsnow@redhat.com>
To: "Paolo Bonzini" <pbonzini@redhat.com>,
	"Daniel P. Berrangé" <berrange@redhat.com>,
	"Markus Armbruster" <armbru@redhat.com>
Cc: "Eduardo Habkost" <ehabkost@redhat.com>,
	qemu-block@nongnu.org, "Michael S. Tsirkin" <mst@redhat.com>,
	"Jason Wang" <jasowang@redhat.com>,
	"Juan Quintela" <quintela@redhat.com>,
	qemu-devel@nongnu.org, "Yuval Shaia" <yuval.shaia.ml@gmail.com>,
	"Gerd Hoffmann" <kraxel@redhat.com>,
	"Andrea Bolognani" <abologna@redhat.com>,
	"Marc-André Lureau" <marcandre.lureau@redhat.com>,
	"Michael Roth" <mdroth@linux.vnet.ibm.com>,
	"Dr. David Alan Gilbert" <dgilbert@redhat.com>,
	"Stefan Berger" <stefanb@linux.ibm.com>
Subject: Re: [PATCH] schemas: Add vim modeline
Date: Fri, 31 Jul 2020 13:53:04 -0400	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <bb0f4298-414c-6b89-c9c2-7c9d86541daf@redhat.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <6ceef1ab-5078-d77e-6e6c-4e1bfc01418a@redhat.com>

On 7/31/20 12:35 PM, Paolo Bonzini wrote:
> On 31/07/20 17:26, John Snow wrote:
>> I saw the critique that we still use JSON-ish for the runtime QMP
>> protocol, and moving the QAPI IDL to a standard wouldn't remove all
>> instances of a custom format from our tree.
> 
> Sorry, but "still using JSON" is not a critique that makes any sense.
> 
> 99% of the websites you use daily use JSON as their RPC
> frontend-to-backend language; OpenAPI is essentially JSON over HTTP.
> There must be something good in JSON.
> 
> Whenever you hear a complaint about "using JSON", it's actually a
> complaint about bindings for your language, which can be a sensible
> critique: gRPC is essentially {protobuf,FlatBuffers} over HTTP/2 plus a
> boatload of language mappings.  Unfortunately C is not one of those
> mappings.
> 
> Paolo
> 

You have misunderstood me.

The critique I am relaying, but not raising, is that we already use a 
custom JSON parser in two or more places, and so replacing one instance 
of this with a new format actually complicates QEMU instead of 
simplifies it.

I disagree with this concern on the premise that moving one non-standard 
JSON usage to a standard usage is a win because it reduces the total 
number of instances of proprietary formats.

Further, if we remove ALL instances of proprietary JSON, then we're back 
to the same level of complexity internally, but with a reduced level of 
complexity for outside observers.

This is why I said "JSON-ish", not "JSON".

--js



  parent reply	other threads:[~2020-07-31 17:54 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 85+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2020-07-29 18:50 [PATCH] schemas: Add vim modeline Andrea Bolognani
2020-07-30  9:07 ` Markus Armbruster
2020-07-30  9:37   ` Daniel P. Berrangé
2020-07-30 11:51     ` Markus Armbruster
2020-07-30 13:24       ` Daniel P. Berrangé
2020-07-31  6:45         ` John Snow
2020-07-31  9:21           ` Markus Armbruster
2020-07-31  9:32             ` Daniel P. Berrangé
2020-07-31 12:55         ` Markus Armbruster
2020-07-31 15:07           ` Daniel P. Berrangé
2020-07-31 15:26             ` John Snow
2020-07-31 15:44               ` Daniel P. Berrangé
2020-08-03  7:28                 ` Markus Armbruster
2020-08-03  8:41                 ` Paolo Bonzini
2020-08-03 11:24                   ` Markus Armbruster
2020-08-03 11:36                   ` Daniel P. Berrangé
2020-08-03 12:16                     ` Paolo Bonzini
2020-08-03 12:23                       ` Daniel P. Berrangé
2020-08-03 12:33                         ` Paolo Bonzini
2020-08-03 12:43                           ` Daniel P. Berrangé
2020-08-03 15:48                         ` Markus Armbruster
2020-08-03 21:02                         ` Nir Soffer
2020-07-31 16:35               ` Paolo Bonzini
2020-07-31 16:41                 ` Dr. David Alan Gilbert
2020-07-31 17:20                 ` Daniel P. Berrangé
2020-07-31 17:47                   ` Paolo Bonzini
2020-08-03  9:44                     ` Daniel P. Berrangé
2020-07-31 17:53                 ` John Snow [this message]
2020-07-31 18:01                   ` Paolo Bonzini
2020-08-03  7:45                     ` Markus Armbruster
2020-07-31 16:28             ` cleanups with long-term benefits (was Re: [PATCH] schemas: Add vim modeline) Paolo Bonzini
2020-07-31 17:05               ` Daniel P. Berrangé
2020-07-31 17:16                 ` Paolo Bonzini
2020-07-31 17:27                   ` Daniel P. Berrangé
2020-07-31 17:42                     ` Paolo Bonzini
2020-08-03  9:27                       ` Daniel P. Berrangé
2020-08-03  8:18               ` Markus Armbruster
2020-08-03  8:42                 ` Paolo Bonzini
2020-08-03 11:28                   ` Markus Armbruster
2020-08-03 12:01                     ` Paolo Bonzini
2020-08-03 16:03                       ` Markus Armbruster
2020-08-03 16:36                         ` Kevin Wolf
2020-08-04  7:28                           ` Markus Armbruster
2020-08-03 17:19                         ` Paolo Bonzini
2020-08-04  8:03                           ` Markus Armbruster
2020-08-04 18:24                             ` John Snow
2020-08-05  7:36                               ` Markus Armbruster
2020-08-05  8:25                                 ` Paolo Bonzini
2020-08-05  8:39                                   ` Dr. David Alan Gilbert
2020-08-05  8:49                                     ` Paolo Bonzini
2020-08-05  9:05                                       ` Daniel P. Berrangé
2020-08-05  9:11                                         ` cleanups with long-term benefits Cornelia Huck
2020-08-05 10:08                                           ` Daniel P. Berrangé
2020-08-05 10:24                                             ` Cornelia Huck
2020-08-05 16:23                                             ` Kevin Wolf
2020-08-05 16:46                                               ` Eduardo Habkost
2020-08-06  5:44                                                 ` Markus Armbruster
2020-08-05  8:47                                   ` Cornelia Huck
2020-08-05  8:56                                   ` cleanups with long-term benefits (was Re: [PATCH] schemas: Add vim modeline) Markus Armbruster
2020-08-05 10:15                                     ` Alex Bennée
2020-08-05 16:04                                 ` John Snow
2020-08-06  4:58                                   ` Markus Armbruster
2020-08-05  8:42                         ` Markus Armbruster
2020-08-03 18:10                       ` John Snow
2020-08-03 18:16                         ` Paolo Bonzini
2020-08-03 18:19                           ` John Snow
2020-08-03 19:54                             ` Nir Soffer
2020-08-03 20:48                               ` John Snow
2020-08-03  9:50                 ` Daniel P. Berrangé
2020-08-03 11:32                   ` Markus Armbruster
2020-07-31 16:39             ` [PATCH] schemas: Add vim modeline Kevin Wolf
2020-07-30 15:11       ` Eric Blake
2020-07-30 20:53         ` John Snow
2020-07-30 20:56         ` John Snow
2020-07-31  7:15         ` Kevin Wolf
2020-07-31  8:48           ` Daniel P. Berrangé
2020-07-31  9:01           ` Markus Armbruster
2020-07-31 11:26             ` Kevin Wolf
2020-08-03  8:51               ` Markus Armbruster
2020-07-31 23:12     ` Nir Soffer
2020-08-03 12:16       ` Paolo Bonzini
2020-08-04  7:28         ` Markus Armbruster
2020-08-04  8:29     ` Alex Bennée
2020-09-07 13:54   ` Markus Armbruster
2020-07-30 13:14 ` Markus Armbruster

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