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From: "Samudrala, Sridhar" <sridhar.samudrala@intel.com>
To: "Michael S. Tsirkin" <mst@redhat.com>
Cc: Alexander Duyck <alexander.duyck@gmail.com>,
	Stephen Hemminger <stephen@networkplumber.org>,
	David Miller <davem@davemloft.net>,
	Netdev <netdev@vger.kernel.org>,
	virtualization@lists.linux-foundation.org,
	virtio-dev@lists.oasis-open.org, "Brandeburg,
	Jesse" <jesse.brandeburg@intel.com>,
	"Duyck, Alexander H" <alexander.h.duyck@intel.com>,
	Jakub Kicinski <kubakici@wp.pl>,
	achiad shochat <achiad.mellanox@gmail.com>,
	Achiad Shochat <achiad@mellanox.com>
Subject: Re: [virtio-dev] [RFC PATCH net-next v2 1/2] virtio_net: Introduce VIRTIO_NET_F_BACKUP feature bit
Date: Mon, 22 Jan 2018 17:34:37 -0800	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <be3864b4-f108-6a7d-8628-204d4d4ae278@intel.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <20180123020332-mutt-send-email-mst@kernel.org>

On 1/22/2018 4:05 PM, Michael S. Tsirkin wrote:
> On Mon, Jan 22, 2018 at 03:27:40PM -0800, Samudrala, Sridhar wrote:
>>>> You could probably
>>>> even handle the Tx queue selection via a simple eBPF program and map
>>>> since the input for whatever is used to select Tx should be pretty
>>>> simple, destination MAC, source NUMA node, etc, and the data-set
>>>> shouldn't be too large.
>>> That sounds interesting. A separate device might make this kind of setup
>>> a bit easier.  Sridhar, did you look into creating a separate device for
>>> the virtual bond device at all?  It does not have to be in a separate
>>> module, that kind of refactoring can come later, but once we commit to
>>> using the same single device as virtio, we can't change that.
>> No. I haven't looked into creating a separate device. If we are going to
>> create a new
>> device, i guess it has to be of a new device type with its own driver.
> Well not necessarily - just a separate netdev ops.
> Kind of like e.g. vlans share a driver with the main driver.

Not sure what you meant by vlans sharing a driver with the main driver.
IIUC, vlans are supported via 802.1q driver and  creates a netdev of 
type 'vlan'
with vlan_netdev_ops
>
>> As we are using virtio_net to control and manage the VF data path, it is not
>> clear to me
>> what is the advantage of creating a new device rather than extending
>> virtio_net to manage
>> the VF datapath via transparent bond mechanism.
>>
>> Thanks
>> Sridhar
> So that XDP redirect actions can differentiate between virtio, PT
> device and the bond. Without it there's no way to redirect
> to virtio specifically.
I guess this usecase is for a guest admin to add bpf programs to VF 
netdev and
redirect frames to virtio.  How does bond enable this feature?


Thanks
Sridhar

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From: "Samudrala, Sridhar" <sridhar.samudrala@intel.com>
To: "Michael S. Tsirkin" <mst@redhat.com>
Cc: Alexander Duyck <alexander.duyck@gmail.com>,
	Stephen Hemminger <stephen@networkplumber.org>,
	David Miller <davem@davemloft.net>,
	Netdev <netdev@vger.kernel.org>,
	virtualization@lists.linux-foundation.org,
	virtio-dev@lists.oasis-open.org, "Brandeburg,
	Jesse" <jesse.brandeburg@intel.com>,
	"Duyck, Alexander H" <alexander.h.duyck@intel.com>,
	Jakub Kicinski <kubakici@wp.pl>,
	achiad shochat <achiad.mellanox@gmail.com>,
	Achiad Shochat <achiad@mellanox.com>
Subject: Re: [virtio-dev] [RFC PATCH net-next v2 1/2] virtio_net: Introduce VIRTIO_NET_F_BACKUP feature bit
Date: Mon, 22 Jan 2018 17:34:37 -0800	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <be3864b4-f108-6a7d-8628-204d4d4ae278@intel.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <20180123020332-mutt-send-email-mst@kernel.org>

On 1/22/2018 4:05 PM, Michael S. Tsirkin wrote:
> On Mon, Jan 22, 2018 at 03:27:40PM -0800, Samudrala, Sridhar wrote:
>>>> You could probably
>>>> even handle the Tx queue selection via a simple eBPF program and map
>>>> since the input for whatever is used to select Tx should be pretty
>>>> simple, destination MAC, source NUMA node, etc, and the data-set
>>>> shouldn't be too large.
>>> That sounds interesting. A separate device might make this kind of setup
>>> a bit easier.  Sridhar, did you look into creating a separate device for
>>> the virtual bond device at all?  It does not have to be in a separate
>>> module, that kind of refactoring can come later, but once we commit to
>>> using the same single device as virtio, we can't change that.
>> No. I haven't looked into creating a separate device. If we are going to
>> create a new
>> device, i guess it has to be of a new device type with its own driver.
> Well not necessarily - just a separate netdev ops.
> Kind of like e.g. vlans share a driver with the main driver.

Not sure what you meant by vlans sharing a driver with the main driver.
IIUC, vlans are supported via 802.1q driver and  creates a netdev of 
type 'vlan'
with vlan_netdev_ops
>
>> As we are using virtio_net to control and manage the VF data path, it is not
>> clear to me
>> what is the advantage of creating a new device rather than extending
>> virtio_net to manage
>> the VF datapath via transparent bond mechanism.
>>
>> Thanks
>> Sridhar
> So that XDP redirect actions can differentiate between virtio, PT
> device and the bond. Without it there's no way to redirect
> to virtio specifically.
I guess this usecase is for a guest admin to add bpf programs to VF 
netdev and
redirect frames to virtio.  How does bond enable this feature?


Thanks
Sridhar

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  parent reply	other threads:[~2018-01-23  1:34 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 136+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2018-01-12  5:58 [RFC PATCH net-next v2 0/2] Enable virtio to act as a backup for a passthru device Sridhar Samudrala
2018-01-12  5:58 ` [virtio-dev] " Sridhar Samudrala
2018-01-12  5:58 ` [RFC PATCH net-next v2 1/2] virtio_net: Introduce VIRTIO_NET_F_BACKUP feature bit Sridhar Samudrala
2018-01-12  5:58   ` [virtio-dev] " Sridhar Samudrala
2018-01-17 18:15   ` Alexander Duyck
2018-01-17 18:15     ` [virtio-dev] " Alexander Duyck
2018-01-17 19:02     ` Michael S. Tsirkin
2018-01-17 19:02     ` Michael S. Tsirkin
2018-01-17 19:02       ` Michael S. Tsirkin
2018-01-17 19:25       ` Samudrala, Sridhar
2018-01-17 19:25       ` Samudrala, Sridhar
2018-01-17 19:25         ` [virtio-dev] " Samudrala, Sridhar
2018-01-17 19:57         ` Michael S. Tsirkin
2018-01-17 19:57         ` Michael S. Tsirkin
2018-01-17 19:57           ` Michael S. Tsirkin
2018-01-17 21:49           ` Alexander Duyck
2018-01-17 21:49             ` [virtio-dev] " Alexander Duyck
2018-01-22 21:31             ` Michael S. Tsirkin
2018-01-22 21:31               ` Michael S. Tsirkin
2018-01-22 23:27               ` Samudrala, Sridhar
2018-01-22 23:27                 ` Samudrala, Sridhar
2018-01-23  0:02                 ` Stephen Hemminger
2018-01-23  0:02                 ` Stephen Hemminger
2018-01-23  1:37                   ` Samudrala, Sridhar
2018-01-23  1:37                   ` Samudrala, Sridhar
2018-01-23  1:37                     ` Samudrala, Sridhar
2018-01-23  0:05                 ` Michael S. Tsirkin
2018-01-23  0:05                   ` Michael S. Tsirkin
2018-01-23  0:16                   ` Jakub Kicinski
2018-01-23  0:47                     ` Michael S. Tsirkin
2018-01-23  0:47                     ` Michael S. Tsirkin
2018-01-23  0:47                       ` Michael S. Tsirkin
2018-01-23  1:13                       ` Jakub Kicinski
2018-01-23  1:23                         ` Michael S. Tsirkin
2018-01-23  1:23                         ` Michael S. Tsirkin
2018-01-23  1:23                           ` Michael S. Tsirkin
2018-01-23 19:21                           ` Jakub Kicinski
2018-01-23 19:21                           ` Jakub Kicinski
2018-01-23  1:13                       ` Jakub Kicinski
2018-01-23  1:34                   ` Samudrala, Sridhar
2018-01-23  1:34                   ` Samudrala, Sridhar [this message]
2018-01-23  1:34                     ` Samudrala, Sridhar
2018-01-23  2:04                     ` Michael S. Tsirkin
2018-01-23  2:04                     ` Michael S. Tsirkin
2018-01-23  2:04                       ` [virtio-dev] " Michael S. Tsirkin
2018-01-23  3:36                       ` Alexander Duyck
2018-01-23  3:36                         ` Alexander Duyck
2018-01-23  5:54                         ` Samudrala, Sridhar
2018-01-23  5:54                           ` Samudrala, Sridhar
2018-01-23 23:01                         ` Michael S. Tsirkin
2018-01-23 23:01                           ` Michael S. Tsirkin
2018-01-23 23:01                         ` Michael S. Tsirkin
2018-01-22 23:27               ` Samudrala, Sridhar
2018-01-22 21:31             ` Michael S. Tsirkin
2018-01-17 21:49           ` Alexander Duyck
2018-01-17 18:15   ` Alexander Duyck
2018-01-12  5:58 ` Sridhar Samudrala
2018-01-12  5:58 ` [RFC PATCH net-next v2 2/2] virtio_net: Extend virtio to use VF datapath when available Sridhar Samudrala
2018-01-12  5:58 ` Sridhar Samudrala
2018-01-12  5:58   ` [virtio-dev] " Sridhar Samudrala
2018-01-22 20:27   ` Siwei Liu
2018-01-22 20:27     ` [virtio-dev] " Siwei Liu
2018-01-22 21:05     ` Samudrala, Sridhar
2018-01-22 21:05     ` Samudrala, Sridhar
2018-01-22 21:05       ` [virtio-dev] " Samudrala, Sridhar
2018-01-23 19:53       ` Laine Stump
2018-01-22 21:41     ` Michael S. Tsirkin
2018-01-22 21:41       ` [virtio-dev] " Michael S. Tsirkin
2018-01-23 20:24       ` Siwei Liu
2018-01-23 20:24         ` [virtio-dev] " Siwei Liu
2018-01-23 22:58         ` Michael S. Tsirkin
2018-01-23 22:58         ` Michael S. Tsirkin
2018-01-23 22:58           ` [virtio-dev] " Michael S. Tsirkin
2018-01-26  8:14           ` Siwei Liu
2018-01-26  8:14           ` Siwei Liu
2018-01-26  8:14             ` [virtio-dev] " Siwei Liu
2018-01-26 16:51             ` Samudrala, Sridhar
2018-01-26 16:51             ` Samudrala, Sridhar
2018-01-26 16:51               ` [virtio-dev] " Samudrala, Sridhar
2018-01-26 21:46               ` Siwei Liu
2018-01-26 21:46               ` Siwei Liu
2018-01-26 21:46                 ` [virtio-dev] " Siwei Liu
2018-01-26 22:14                 ` Michael S. Tsirkin
2018-01-26 22:14                 ` Michael S. Tsirkin
2018-01-26 22:14                   ` Michael S. Tsirkin
2018-01-26 22:47                   ` Jakub Kicinski
2018-01-26 22:47                   ` Jakub Kicinski
2018-01-26 23:30                     ` Samudrala, Sridhar
2018-01-26 23:30                       ` Samudrala, Sridhar
2018-01-27  2:30                       ` Jakub Kicinski
2018-01-27  5:33                         ` Samudrala, Sridhar
2018-01-27  5:33                           ` Samudrala, Sridhar
2018-01-27  5:58                           ` Jakub Kicinski
2018-01-28 17:35                             ` Alexander Duyck
2018-01-28 17:35                             ` Alexander Duyck
2018-01-28 17:35                               ` [virtio-dev] " Alexander Duyck
2018-01-28 19:18                               ` Samudrala, Sridhar
2018-01-28 19:18                               ` Samudrala, Sridhar
2018-01-28 19:18                                 ` Samudrala, Sridhar
2018-01-28 20:18                                 ` Alexander Duyck
2018-01-28 20:18                                 ` Alexander Duyck
2018-01-28 20:18                                   ` [virtio-dev] " Alexander Duyck
2018-01-28 21:01                                   ` Samudrala, Sridhar
2018-01-28 21:01                                   ` Samudrala, Sridhar
2018-01-28 21:01                                     ` Samudrala, Sridhar
2018-01-29  0:58                                     ` Alexander Duyck
2018-01-29  0:58                                       ` Alexander Duyck
2018-01-28 23:02                         ` Stephen Hemminger
2018-01-28 23:02                         ` Stephen Hemminger
2018-01-29  4:26                           ` Alexander Duyck
2018-01-29  4:26                             ` [virtio-dev] " Alexander Duyck
2018-01-29 18:24                             ` Michael S. Tsirkin
2018-01-29 18:24                               ` [virtio-dev] " Michael S. Tsirkin
2018-01-29 20:09                               ` Alexander Duyck
2018-01-29 20:09                               ` Alexander Duyck
2018-01-29 20:09                                 ` [virtio-dev] " Alexander Duyck
2018-01-29 18:24                             ` Michael S. Tsirkin
2018-01-29  4:26                           ` Alexander Duyck
2018-01-23 20:24       ` Siwei Liu
2018-01-22 21:41     ` Michael S. Tsirkin
2018-01-22 20:27   ` Siwei Liu
2018-01-23 10:33   ` Jason Wang
2018-01-23 10:33     ` [virtio-dev] " Jason Wang
2018-01-23 16:03     ` Samudrala, Sridhar
2018-01-23 16:03     ` Samudrala, Sridhar
2018-01-23 16:03       ` [virtio-dev] " Samudrala, Sridhar
2018-01-29  3:32       ` Jason Wang
2018-01-29  3:32       ` Jason Wang
2018-01-29  3:32         ` [virtio-dev] " Jason Wang
2018-01-26 16:58   ` Michael S. Tsirkin
2018-01-26 16:58     ` [virtio-dev] " Michael S. Tsirkin
2018-01-26 18:15     ` Samudrala, Sridhar
2018-01-26 18:15       ` [virtio-dev] " Samudrala, Sridhar
2018-01-12  5:58 ` [RFC PATCH 1/1] qemu: Introduce VIRTIO_NET_F_BACKUP feature bit to virtio_net Sridhar Samudrala
2018-01-12  5:58   ` [virtio-dev] " Sridhar Samudrala
2018-01-12  5:58 ` Sridhar Samudrala

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