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From: Maxime Villard <max@m00nbsd.net>
To: Paolo Bonzini <pbonzini@redhat.com>
Cc: peter.maydell@linaro.org, ehabkost@redhat.com, slp@redhat.com,
	qemu-devel@nongnu.org, jmcneill@invisible.ca,
	Kamil Rytarowski <n54@gmx.com>,
	philmd@redhat.com, rth <rth@twiddle.net>
Subject: Re: [PATCH v4 3/4] Introduce the NVMM impl
Date: Thu, 12 Mar 2020 08:08:08 +0100	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <be4b7957-1b02-fba1-5a60-0acf89c25d1f@m00nbsd.net> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <933ede25-3ccf-3937-3649-3c7caea83f86@redhat.com>

Le 11/03/2020 à 22:44, Paolo Bonzini a écrit :
> On 11/03/20 22:21, Maxime Villard wrote:
>>> Yes, you don't know how long that run would take.  I don't know about
>>> NVMM but for KVM it may even never leave if the guest is in HLT state.
>> Ok, I see, thanks.
>>
>> In NVMM the runs are short
> 
> How do you ensure that a guest with interrupts off exits promptly?

In NVMM there are several conditions unrelated to the guest state which
cause returns to userland. These are reschedulings, signals and softints.
They happen "regularly". As the man page states: "this gives a chance
for emulator software to halt the VM in its tracks".

There was a specific reason this design was chosen, but it's true that a
nvmm_vcpu_kick() is more precise and warranted here.

>> , the syscalls are fast, and pending signals
>> cause returns to userland. Therefore, in practice, it's not a big problem,
>> because (1) the window is small and (2) if we have a miss it's not going
>> to take long to come back to Qemu.
>>
>> I see a quick kernel change I can make to reduce 95% of the window
>> already in the current state. The remaining 5% will need a new
>> nvmm_vcpu_kick() function.
> 
> You can also do what KVM did until a few years ago: swap the signal mask
> atomically when you enter the hypervisor (e.g. unmasking SIGUSR1---this
> has to be done in the kernel) and when you leave it.  Then in QEMU you
> keep SIGUSR1 masked and "eat" it with sigwaitinfo.
> 
>> For now this issue is unimportant and no Qemu change is required.
> 
> If you say so.

At first I thought the race was an actual locking problem. In fact it's
just a delay which on NVMM happens to be small, so yeah, not a very
important issue, it will be addressed in a future patch set soon.

Thanks,
Maxime


  reply	other threads:[~2020-03-12  7:09 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 79+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
     [not found] <20200107124903.16505-1-n54@gmx.com>
2020-01-28 14:09 ` [PATCH v2 0/4] Implements the NetBSD Virtual Machine Monitor accelerator Kamil Rytarowski
2020-01-28 14:09   ` [PATCH v2 1/4] Add the NVMM vcpu API Kamil Rytarowski
2020-02-03 11:42     ` Philippe Mathieu-Daudé
2020-01-28 14:09   ` [PATCH v2 2/4] Add the NetBSD Virtual Machine Monitor accelerator Kamil Rytarowski
2020-02-03 11:41     ` Philippe Mathieu-Daudé
2020-02-03 11:56       ` Kamil Rytarowski
2020-02-03 12:10         ` Philippe Mathieu-Daudé
2020-03-02 17:12         ` Paolo Bonzini
2020-03-02 18:05           ` Kamil Rytarowski
2020-03-02 19:14             ` Maxime Villard
2020-03-02 19:40               ` Paolo Bonzini
2020-03-02 21:10                 ` Kamil Rytarowski
2020-03-02 22:45                   ` Paolo Bonzini
2020-03-02 17:11       ` Paolo Bonzini
2020-03-02 18:09         ` Kamil Rytarowski
2020-01-28 14:09   ` [PATCH v2 3/4] Introduce the NVMM impl Kamil Rytarowski
2020-02-03 11:51     ` Philippe Mathieu-Daudé
2020-02-05 17:22       ` Kamil Rytarowski
2020-02-05 17:47       ` Maxime Villard
2020-01-28 14:09   ` [PATCH v2 4/4] Add the NVMM acceleration enlightenments Kamil Rytarowski
2020-02-03 11:54     ` Philippe Mathieu-Daudé
2020-02-06 10:24       ` Kamil Rytarowski
2020-02-06 12:18         ` Philippe Mathieu-Daudé
2020-02-06 13:06         ` Markus Armbruster
2020-02-06 13:09           ` Philippe Mathieu-Daudé
2020-02-06 13:31             ` Kamil Rytarowski
2020-02-06 14:13               ` Markus Armbruster
2020-02-06 15:38                 ` Kamil Rytarowski
2020-02-06 16:07                   ` Philippe Mathieu-Daudé
2020-02-06 16:59                     ` Kamil Rytarowski
2020-02-03  9:52   ` [PATCH v2 0/4] Implements the NetBSD Virtual Machine Monitor accelerator Kamil Rytarowski
2020-02-06 11:57   ` [PATCH v3 " Kamil Rytarowski
2020-02-06 11:57     ` [PATCH v3 1/4] Add the NVMM vcpu API Kamil Rytarowski
2020-02-06 21:06       ` Jared McNeill
2020-02-06 11:57     ` [PATCH v3 2/4] Add the NetBSD Virtual Machine Monitor accelerator Kamil Rytarowski
2020-02-06 21:06       ` Jared McNeill
2020-02-06 11:57     ` [PATCH v3 3/4] Introduce the NVMM impl Kamil Rytarowski
2020-02-06 21:07       ` Jared McNeill
2020-02-06 11:57     ` [PATCH v3 4/4] Add the NVMM acceleration enlightenments Kamil Rytarowski
2020-02-06 21:07       ` Jared McNeill
2020-02-06 13:13     ` [PATCH v3 0/4] Implements the NetBSD Virtual Machine Monitor accelerator no-reply
2020-02-06 13:21       ` Kamil Rytarowski
2020-02-06 16:01         ` Philippe Mathieu-Daudé
2020-02-06 21:32     ` [PATCH v4 " Kamil Rytarowski
2020-02-06 21:32       ` [PATCH v4 1/4] Add the NVMM vcpu API Kamil Rytarowski
2020-08-11 12:47         ` [PATCH v5 " Kamil Rytarowski
2020-08-11 12:47           ` [PATCH v5 2/4] Add the NetBSD Virtual Machine Monitor accelerator Kamil Rytarowski
2020-08-11 12:47           ` [PATCH v5 3/4] Introduce the NVMM impl Kamil Rytarowski
2020-08-11 12:47           ` [PATCH v5 4/4] Add the NVMM acceleration enlightenments Kamil Rytarowski
2020-08-11 13:01         ` [PATCH v5 1/4] Add the NVMM vcpu API Kamil Rytarowski
2020-08-11 13:01           ` [PATCH v5 2/4] Add the NetBSD Virtual Machine Monitor accelerator Kamil Rytarowski
2020-08-11 13:01           ` [PATCH v5 3/4] Introduce the NVMM impl Kamil Rytarowski
2020-08-11 13:01           ` [PATCH v5 4/4] Add the NVMM acceleration enlightenments Kamil Rytarowski
2020-09-04 23:28           ` [PATCH v5 1/4] Add the NVMM vcpu API Kamil Rytarowski
2020-02-06 21:32       ` [PATCH v4 2/4] Add the NetBSD Virtual Machine Monitor accelerator Kamil Rytarowski
2020-02-06 21:32       ` [PATCH v4 3/4] Introduce the NVMM impl Kamil Rytarowski
2020-02-06 23:28         ` [PATCH v4 3/4 FIXUP] " Kamil Rytarowski
2020-03-02 18:13         ` [PATCH v4 3/4] " Paolo Bonzini
2020-03-02 19:28           ` Maxime Villard
2020-03-02 19:35             ` Paolo Bonzini
2020-03-10  6:45               ` Maxime Villard
2020-03-10 10:15                 ` Kamil Rytarowski
2020-03-10 10:58                 ` Paolo Bonzini
2020-03-10 19:14                   ` Maxime Villard
2020-03-11 18:03                     ` Paolo Bonzini
2020-03-11 20:14                       ` Maxime Villard
2020-03-11 20:42                         ` Paolo Bonzini
2020-03-11 21:21                           ` Maxime Villard
2020-03-11 21:22                             ` Kamil Rytarowski
2020-03-11 21:44                             ` Paolo Bonzini
2020-03-12  7:08                               ` Maxime Villard [this message]
2020-07-21 13:42                 ` Kamil Rytarowski
2020-02-06 21:32       ` [PATCH v4 4/4] Add the NVMM acceleration enlightenments Kamil Rytarowski
2020-02-17  9:07       ` [PATCH v4 0/4] Implements the NetBSD Virtual Machine Monitor accelerator Kamil Rytarowski
2020-02-24 15:17         ` Kamil Rytarowski
2020-03-02 17:02           ` Kamil Rytarowski
2020-03-02 17:10             ` Eduardo Habkost
2020-03-02 17:10               ` Kamil Rytarowski
2020-03-02 17:22                 ` Eduardo Habkost

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