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From: "Philippe Mathieu-Daudé" <philmd@redhat.com>
To: "Alex Bennée" <alex.bennee@linaro.org>,
	"Igor Mammedov" <imammedo@redhat.com>
Cc: lvivier@redhat.com, thuth@redhat.com,
	Eduardo Habkost <ehabkost@redhat.com>,
	mst@redhat.com, Richard Henderson <richard.henderson@linaro.org>,
	qemu-devel@nongnu.org, Claudio Fontana <cfontana@suse.de>,
	Paolo Bonzini <pbonzini@redhat.com>,
	philmd@redhat.com
Subject: Re: [RFC 0/3] qtest: pick tests that require KVM at runtime
Date: Tue, 22 Jun 2021 10:22:19 +0200	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <ca74cc39-6e30-6588-aa5a-48f74d305b56@redhat.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <874kdqtj25.fsf@linaro.org>

On 6/22/21 10:07 AM, Alex Bennée wrote:
> Igor Mammedov <imammedo@redhat.com> writes:
>> On Fri, 18 Jun 2021 14:43:46 +0200
>> Claudio Fontana <cfontana@suse.de> wrote:
>>> On 6/18/21 1:26 PM, Igor Mammedov wrote:
>>>> On Thu, 17 Jun 2021 18:49:17 +0200
>>>> Claudio Fontana <cfontana@suse.de> wrote:
>>>>> On 6/16/21 5:24 PM, Igor Mammedov wrote:  
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Sometimes it's necessary to execute a test that depends on KVM,
>>>>>> however qtest is not aware if tested QEMU binary supports KVM
>>>>>> on the host it the test is executed.    
>>>>>
>>>>> Hello,
>>>>>
>>>>> It seems to me that we are constantly re-implementing the same feature with slight variations?
>>>>>
>>>>> Didn't we have a generic series to introduce qtest_has_accel() from Philippe before?  
>>>> It's mentioned in cover letter (PS: part) and in [1/3] with rationale
>>>> why this was posted.  
>>>
>>> Thought it was separate, but now I see that it uses query-accel underneath.
>>>
>>> Seems strange to add another check to do the same thing, it may point to qtest_has_accel() needing some update?
>>> You mention it is time consuming to use qtest_has_accel(), have you measured an important overhead?
>>> With qtest_has_accel() not even being committed yet, is it already necessary to work around it because it's too slow? 
>>
>> Tests are already take a lot of time as is, so I'd try to avoid slowing
>> them down.
>>
>> proposed qtest_has_accel() requires spawning QEMU to probe, which is slow.
>> Worst case would be:
>>  = qemu startup time * number of checks * number of targets
>>
>> It's fine to run occasionally, I can take a coffee break while tests run.
>> But put it in context of CI and it multiplies by the number of push requests
>> and starts to eat not only time but also limited CI resources.
>>
>> In current form qtest_has_accel() is only marginally better functionality
>> wise, as it reports all built in accelerators while qtest_has_kvm() accounts
>> only for KVM.
>>
>> qtest_has_kvm() is collecting info about built-in accelerators at
>> configure/build time and that probably could be extended to other
>> accelerators (not a thing that I'm interested in at the moment).
>> So it could be extended to support the same accelerators
>> as currently proposed qtest_has_accel().
> 
> One minor downside is this forever ties the tests to the build. I have
> spoken with people before about the idea of separating the test
> artefacts from the build so they can be used either as a) cached test
> objects or b) other testing environments, for example verifying the
> kernel has not regressed. However we don't do either of those things at
> the moment so it's not a major concern.

This is the feature that is interesting RedHat QE too, run the latest
qtests on various released binaries to compare performances between
releases.

> If the worry is about extending test times by having an extra round trip
> of a spawn and query step for every test could we not consider caching
> the information somewhere? Really any given binary should only need to
> be queried once per run, not per test.

Good idea.

>> Given a less expensive approach exists, the qtest_has_accel()
>> in its current form might be not justifiable. 
>>
>>    
>>>>> Does this series work with --disable-kvm builds? (TCG-only builds?)  
>>>> I'll test. But on the first glance it should work without issues.
>>>> (i.e. kvm only tests will be skipped).
>>>>   
>>>>>
>>>>> Thanks,
>>>>>
>>>>> CLaudio
>>>>>
>>>>>  
>>>>>>
>>>>>> For an example:
>>>>>>  test q35 machine with intel_iommu
>>>>>>  This test will run only is KVM is available and fail
>>>>>>  to start QEMU if it fallsback to TCG, thus failing whole test.
>>>>>>  So if test is executed in VM where nested KVM is not enabled
>>>>>>  or on other than x86 host, it will break 'make check-qtest'
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Series adds a lightweight qtest_has_kvm() check, which abuses
>>>>>> build system and should help to avoid running KVM only tests
>>>>>> on hosts that do not support it.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> PS:
>>>>>> there is an alternative 'query-accels' QMP command proposal
>>>>>> https://patchwork.kernel.org/project/qemu-devel/patch/20210503211020.894589-3-philmd@redhat.com/
>>>>>> which I think is more robust compared to qtest_has_kvm() and
>>>>>> could be extended to take into account machine type.
>>>>>> But it's more complex and what I dislike about it most,
>>>>>> it requires execution of 'probing' QEMU instance to find
>>>>>> execute 'query-accels' QMP command, which is rather resource
>>>>>> consuming. So I'd use query-accels approach only when it's
>>>>>> the only possible option to minimize load on CI systems.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Igor Mammedov (2):
>>>>>>   tests: acpi: q35: test for x2APIC entries in SRAT
>>>>>>   tests: acpi: update expected tables blobs
>>>>>>
>>>>>> root (1):
>>>>>>   tests: qtest: add qtest_has_kvm() to check if tested bynary supports
>>>>>>     KVM
>>>>>>
>>>>>>  tests/qtest/libqos/libqtest.h    |   7 +++++++
>>>>>>  meson.build                      |   1 +
>>>>>>  tests/data/acpi/q35/APIC.numamem | Bin 0 -> 2686 bytes
>>>>>>  tests/data/acpi/q35/DSDT.numamem | Bin 7865 -> 35222 bytes
>>>>>>  tests/data/acpi/q35/FACP.numamem | Bin 0 -> 244 bytes
>>>>>>  tests/data/acpi/q35/SRAT.numamem | Bin 224 -> 5080 bytes
>>>>>>  tests/qtest/bios-tables-test.c   |  10 +++++++---
>>>>>>  tests/qtest/libqtest.c           |  20 ++++++++++++++++++++
>>>>>>  8 files changed, 35 insertions(+), 3 deletions(-)
>>>>>>  create mode 100644 tests/data/acpi/q35/APIC.numamem
>>>>>>  create mode 100644 tests/data/acpi/q35/FACP.numamem
>>>>>>     
>>>>>  
>>>>   
>>>
> 
> 



  reply	other threads:[~2021-06-22  8:23 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 21+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2021-06-16 15:24 [RFC 0/3] qtest: pick tests that require KVM at runtime Igor Mammedov
2021-06-16 15:24 ` [RFC 1/3] tests: qtest: add qtest_has_kvm() to check if tested binary supports KVM Igor Mammedov
2021-06-17 10:00   ` [RFC v2 " Igor Mammedov
2021-06-17 16:28     ` Igor Mammedov
2021-06-16 15:24 ` [RFC 2/3] tests: acpi: q35: test for x2APIC entries in SRAT Igor Mammedov
2021-06-16 15:24 ` [RFC 3/3] tests: acpi: update expected tables blobs Igor Mammedov
2021-06-16 15:30 ` [RFC 0/3] qtest: pick tests that require KVM at runtime no-reply
2021-06-17 16:49 ` Claudio Fontana
2021-06-18 11:26   ` Igor Mammedov
2021-06-18 12:43     ` Claudio Fontana
2021-06-18 13:29       ` Igor Mammedov
2021-06-22  8:07         ` Alex Bennée
2021-06-22  8:22           ` Philippe Mathieu-Daudé [this message]
2021-06-22 10:36             ` Igor Mammedov
2021-06-22 11:27               ` Philippe Mathieu-Daudé
2021-06-18 15:58     ` Igor Mammedov
2021-06-22  6:58       ` Claudio Fontana
2021-06-22  7:20 ` Thomas Huth
2021-06-22  7:26   ` Philippe Mathieu-Daudé
2021-06-22  7:59     ` Thomas Huth
2021-06-22 10:54       ` Igor Mammedov

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